Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities
#101
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Re: Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities (RE: BLACK BEARINCIDENT. )
Wow, what a drag. Too bad we will never know what happened so others
could maybe avoid the same fate.
Our sport and/or hobby is not the safest around, that's for sure....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Good catch.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> -jc wrote:
> >
> > The pictures on the website show a TJ Rubicon ... ABS is only available on
> > the X and Sport models.
> >
> > -Jeff
could maybe avoid the same fate.
Our sport and/or hobby is not the safest around, that's for sure....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Good catch.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> -jc wrote:
> >
> > The pictures on the website show a TJ Rubicon ... ABS is only available on
> > the X and Sport models.
> >
> > -Jeff
#102
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Re: Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities (RE: BLACK BEARINCIDENT. )
They were from Nebraska, could have been altitude sickness, or
maybe their business partner.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Wow, what a drag. Too bad we will never know what happened so others
> could maybe avoid the same fate.
>
> Our sport and/or hobby is not the safest around, that's for sure....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
maybe their business partner.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Wow, what a drag. Too bad we will never know what happened so others
> could maybe avoid the same fate.
>
> Our sport and/or hobby is not the safest around, that's for sure....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
#103
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Re: Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities (RE: BLACK BEARINCIDENT. )
They were from Nebraska, could have been altitude sickness, or
maybe their business partner.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Wow, what a drag. Too bad we will never know what happened so others
> could maybe avoid the same fate.
>
> Our sport and/or hobby is not the safest around, that's for sure....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
maybe their business partner.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Wow, what a drag. Too bad we will never know what happened so others
> could maybe avoid the same fate.
>
> Our sport and/or hobby is not the safest around, that's for sure....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
#104
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Re: Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities (RE: BLACK BEARINCIDENT. )
They were from Nebraska, could have been altitude sickness, or
maybe their business partner.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Wow, what a drag. Too bad we will never know what happened so others
> could maybe avoid the same fate.
>
> Our sport and/or hobby is not the safest around, that's for sure....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
maybe their business partner.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Wow, what a drag. Too bad we will never know what happened so others
> could maybe avoid the same fate.
>
> Our sport and/or hobby is not the safest around, that's for sure....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
#105
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Re: Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities (RE: BLACK BEARINCIDENT. )
They were from Nebraska, could have been altitude sickness, or
maybe their business partner.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Wow, what a drag. Too bad we will never know what happened so others
> could maybe avoid the same fate.
>
> Our sport and/or hobby is not the safest around, that's for sure....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
maybe their business partner.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Wow, what a drag. Too bad we will never know what happened so others
> could maybe avoid the same fate.
>
> Our sport and/or hobby is not the safest around, that's for sure....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
#106
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Re: Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities
At our club meeting last night the latest news was that they did not go off
above the falls as we had initially been told. The Jeep landed on the
switchback at the bottom of Bridal Veil falls, below the old power house.
The sheriff thinks they went off the very treacherous 1st switchback at the
top. There is absolutely nothing to stop a vehicle should it slip off there,
and the thing is so narrow & tight, well, it's pretty scary in broad
daylight. If it was raining hard enough the water rushing down the trail
could have floated them right off the edge.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:CICdnT6fq7QPv43cRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
> Of course, this is all semantics since we don't yet know what flavor of
> Wrangler they were in.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:410FBF59.2BE2C4BC@***.net...
> > Then suicide it was, because a guy without Antilock Brake System
> > could have stopped, and backed up to complete the hair pin turn.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > Nah, they probably had a TJ with a factory rear 44. No ABS then.
>
>
above the falls as we had initially been told. The Jeep landed on the
switchback at the bottom of Bridal Veil falls, below the old power house.
The sheriff thinks they went off the very treacherous 1st switchback at the
top. There is absolutely nothing to stop a vehicle should it slip off there,
and the thing is so narrow & tight, well, it's pretty scary in broad
daylight. If it was raining hard enough the water rushing down the trail
could have floated them right off the edge.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:CICdnT6fq7QPv43cRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
> Of course, this is all semantics since we don't yet know what flavor of
> Wrangler they were in.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:410FBF59.2BE2C4BC@***.net...
> > Then suicide it was, because a guy without Antilock Brake System
> > could have stopped, and backed up to complete the hair pin turn.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > Nah, they probably had a TJ with a factory rear 44. No ABS then.
>
>
#107
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Re: Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities
At our club meeting last night the latest news was that they did not go off
above the falls as we had initially been told. The Jeep landed on the
switchback at the bottom of Bridal Veil falls, below the old power house.
The sheriff thinks they went off the very treacherous 1st switchback at the
top. There is absolutely nothing to stop a vehicle should it slip off there,
and the thing is so narrow & tight, well, it's pretty scary in broad
daylight. If it was raining hard enough the water rushing down the trail
could have floated them right off the edge.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:CICdnT6fq7QPv43cRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
> Of course, this is all semantics since we don't yet know what flavor of
> Wrangler they were in.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:410FBF59.2BE2C4BC@***.net...
> > Then suicide it was, because a guy without Antilock Brake System
> > could have stopped, and backed up to complete the hair pin turn.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > Nah, they probably had a TJ with a factory rear 44. No ABS then.
>
>
above the falls as we had initially been told. The Jeep landed on the
switchback at the bottom of Bridal Veil falls, below the old power house.
The sheriff thinks they went off the very treacherous 1st switchback at the
top. There is absolutely nothing to stop a vehicle should it slip off there,
and the thing is so narrow & tight, well, it's pretty scary in broad
daylight. If it was raining hard enough the water rushing down the trail
could have floated them right off the edge.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:CICdnT6fq7QPv43cRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
> Of course, this is all semantics since we don't yet know what flavor of
> Wrangler they were in.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:410FBF59.2BE2C4BC@***.net...
> > Then suicide it was, because a guy without Antilock Brake System
> > could have stopped, and backed up to complete the hair pin turn.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > Nah, they probably had a TJ with a factory rear 44. No ABS then.
>
>
#108
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Re: Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities
At our club meeting last night the latest news was that they did not go off
above the falls as we had initially been told. The Jeep landed on the
switchback at the bottom of Bridal Veil falls, below the old power house.
The sheriff thinks they went off the very treacherous 1st switchback at the
top. There is absolutely nothing to stop a vehicle should it slip off there,
and the thing is so narrow & tight, well, it's pretty scary in broad
daylight. If it was raining hard enough the water rushing down the trail
could have floated them right off the edge.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:CICdnT6fq7QPv43cRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
> Of course, this is all semantics since we don't yet know what flavor of
> Wrangler they were in.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:410FBF59.2BE2C4BC@***.net...
> > Then suicide it was, because a guy without Antilock Brake System
> > could have stopped, and backed up to complete the hair pin turn.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > Nah, they probably had a TJ with a factory rear 44. No ABS then.
>
>
above the falls as we had initially been told. The Jeep landed on the
switchback at the bottom of Bridal Veil falls, below the old power house.
The sheriff thinks they went off the very treacherous 1st switchback at the
top. There is absolutely nothing to stop a vehicle should it slip off there,
and the thing is so narrow & tight, well, it's pretty scary in broad
daylight. If it was raining hard enough the water rushing down the trail
could have floated them right off the edge.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:CICdnT6fq7QPv43cRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
> Of course, this is all semantics since we don't yet know what flavor of
> Wrangler they were in.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:410FBF59.2BE2C4BC@***.net...
> > Then suicide it was, because a guy without Antilock Brake System
> > could have stopped, and backed up to complete the hair pin turn.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > Nah, they probably had a TJ with a factory rear 44. No ABS then.
>
>
#109
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Re: Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities
At our club meeting last night the latest news was that they did not go off
above the falls as we had initially been told. The Jeep landed on the
switchback at the bottom of Bridal Veil falls, below the old power house.
The sheriff thinks they went off the very treacherous 1st switchback at the
top. There is absolutely nothing to stop a vehicle should it slip off there,
and the thing is so narrow & tight, well, it's pretty scary in broad
daylight. If it was raining hard enough the water rushing down the trail
could have floated them right off the edge.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:CICdnT6fq7QPv43cRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
> Of course, this is all semantics since we don't yet know what flavor of
> Wrangler they were in.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:410FBF59.2BE2C4BC@***.net...
> > Then suicide it was, because a guy without Antilock Brake System
> > could have stopped, and backed up to complete the hair pin turn.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > Nah, they probably had a TJ with a factory rear 44. No ABS then.
>
>
above the falls as we had initially been told. The Jeep landed on the
switchback at the bottom of Bridal Veil falls, below the old power house.
The sheriff thinks they went off the very treacherous 1st switchback at the
top. There is absolutely nothing to stop a vehicle should it slip off there,
and the thing is so narrow & tight, well, it's pretty scary in broad
daylight. If it was raining hard enough the water rushing down the trail
could have floated them right off the edge.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:CICdnT6fq7QPv43cRVn-qQ@comcast.com...
> Of course, this is all semantics since we don't yet know what flavor of
> Wrangler they were in.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:410FBF59.2BE2C4BC@***.net...
> > Then suicide it was, because a guy without Antilock Brake System
> > could have stopped, and backed up to complete the hair pin turn.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > Nah, they probably had a TJ with a factory rear 44. No ABS then.
>
>
#110
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Re: Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities
Hi Jerry,
General Motors, have for the last ten years been recording the last
five seconds of travel, before air bag deployment. Crash Data Retrieval
Module: http://www.invehicleproducts.com/FAQ.pdf
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jerry McG wrote:
>
> Our local Jeep Club, the Creeper Jeepers of Durango, CO, sponsors the Black
> Bear Pass and Blanca Peak trails here in SW Colorado. Both are challenging
> and incredibly spectacular trails. However, for the inexperienced or
> foolhardy they can also be killers.
>
> Last month an ATV rider on Blanca ignored warnings and was killed after he
> mishandled a ledge and rolled of the trail. Last Tuesday an out-of-State
> couple in a Jeep went off the first switchback before Ingram Falls on Black
> Bear and fell 900 ft. straight down. Details are sketchy on how this
> happened, we've asked for info from the San Miguel Sheriff's office. That
> particular spot is the first switchback on the descent into Telluride, and
> one of the easier ones. We can only guess the driver either attempted it as
> a single point turn, or lost brakes somehow.
>
> These two incidents serve as a stark reminders that the sport / hobby we
> love is not without its risks. We did trail maintenance on Black Bear today
> and afterwards went over the pass and down the switchbacks into Telluride.
> As always it was a thrilling, challenging drive. However, one needs to be
> constantly reminded of the dangers inattention, bravado or mechanical
> failures can bring.
General Motors, have for the last ten years been recording the last
five seconds of travel, before air bag deployment. Crash Data Retrieval
Module: http://www.invehicleproducts.com/FAQ.pdf
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jerry McG wrote:
>
> Our local Jeep Club, the Creeper Jeepers of Durango, CO, sponsors the Black
> Bear Pass and Blanca Peak trails here in SW Colorado. Both are challenging
> and incredibly spectacular trails. However, for the inexperienced or
> foolhardy they can also be killers.
>
> Last month an ATV rider on Blanca ignored warnings and was killed after he
> mishandled a ledge and rolled of the trail. Last Tuesday an out-of-State
> couple in a Jeep went off the first switchback before Ingram Falls on Black
> Bear and fell 900 ft. straight down. Details are sketchy on how this
> happened, we've asked for info from the San Miguel Sheriff's office. That
> particular spot is the first switchback on the descent into Telluride, and
> one of the easier ones. We can only guess the driver either attempted it as
> a single point turn, or lost brakes somehow.
>
> These two incidents serve as a stark reminders that the sport / hobby we
> love is not without its risks. We did trail maintenance on Black Bear today
> and afterwards went over the pass and down the switchbacks into Telluride.
> As always it was a thrilling, challenging drive. However, one needs to be
> constantly reminded of the dangers inattention, bravado or mechanical
> failures can bring.