Black Bear Pass - How much actual room?
08-05-2004, 01:56 AM
#31
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Re: Black Bear Pass - How much actual room?
Yup, I've done it myself, also from a place called the pit, where
the mined a type of purple body powered. It seems that after driving
vertical, that the Jeep will fall back straight down, but with timing,
it will fall forward on to the masa.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> During my Motocross days as a young whipper snapper, I was challenged to
> climb a nearly vertical cut-out by my friends. This was an area we called
> the pits where they dug out clay or something. Anyway it was a great place
> to get lift on an MX bike and practice. So this piece of land they
> challenged me on was like a wall of where they dug out. The top part needed
> to navigate (or squeeze) between a tree and a trunk and at the top there was
> a bump outward like a small ledge.
>
> Anyway, I couldn't believe myself that I did it. It must have been luck or
> momentum that carried me up, I don't know but I just attacked it and kept on
> going.
>
> Kinda goes along with your story below.
>
> Bill
the mined a type of purple body powered. It seems that after driving
vertical, that the Jeep will fall back straight down, but with timing,
it will fall forward on to the masa.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> During my Motocross days as a young whipper snapper, I was challenged to
> climb a nearly vertical cut-out by my friends. This was an area we called
> the pits where they dug out clay or something. Anyway it was a great place
> to get lift on an MX bike and practice. So this piece of land they
> challenged me on was like a wall of where they dug out. The top part needed
> to navigate (or squeeze) between a tree and a trunk and at the top there was
> a bump outward like a small ledge.
>
> Anyway, I couldn't believe myself that I did it. It must have been luck or
> momentum that carried me up, I don't know but I just attacked it and kept on
> going.
>
> Kinda goes along with your story below.
>
> Bill
08-05-2004, 01:56 AM
#32
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Posts: n/a
Re: Black Bear Pass - How much actual room?
Yup, I've done it myself, also from a place called the pit, where
the mined a type of purple body powered. It seems that after driving
vertical, that the Jeep will fall back straight down, but with timing,
it will fall forward on to the masa.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> During my Motocross days as a young whipper snapper, I was challenged to
> climb a nearly vertical cut-out by my friends. This was an area we called
> the pits where they dug out clay or something. Anyway it was a great place
> to get lift on an MX bike and practice. So this piece of land they
> challenged me on was like a wall of where they dug out. The top part needed
> to navigate (or squeeze) between a tree and a trunk and at the top there was
> a bump outward like a small ledge.
>
> Anyway, I couldn't believe myself that I did it. It must have been luck or
> momentum that carried me up, I don't know but I just attacked it and kept on
> going.
>
> Kinda goes along with your story below.
>
> Bill
the mined a type of purple body powered. It seems that after driving
vertical, that the Jeep will fall back straight down, but with timing,
it will fall forward on to the masa.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> During my Motocross days as a young whipper snapper, I was challenged to
> climb a nearly vertical cut-out by my friends. This was an area we called
> the pits where they dug out clay or something. Anyway it was a great place
> to get lift on an MX bike and practice. So this piece of land they
> challenged me on was like a wall of where they dug out. The top part needed
> to navigate (or squeeze) between a tree and a trunk and at the top there was
> a bump outward like a small ledge.
>
> Anyway, I couldn't believe myself that I did it. It must have been luck or
> momentum that carried me up, I don't know but I just attacked it and kept on
> going.
>
> Kinda goes along with your story below.
>
> Bill
08-05-2004, 01:56 AM
#33
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Black Bear Pass - How much actual room?
Yup, I've done it myself, also from a place called the pit, where
the mined a type of purple body powered. It seems that after driving
vertical, that the Jeep will fall back straight down, but with timing,
it will fall forward on to the masa.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> During my Motocross days as a young whipper snapper, I was challenged to
> climb a nearly vertical cut-out by my friends. This was an area we called
> the pits where they dug out clay or something. Anyway it was a great place
> to get lift on an MX bike and practice. So this piece of land they
> challenged me on was like a wall of where they dug out. The top part needed
> to navigate (or squeeze) between a tree and a trunk and at the top there was
> a bump outward like a small ledge.
>
> Anyway, I couldn't believe myself that I did it. It must have been luck or
> momentum that carried me up, I don't know but I just attacked it and kept on
> going.
>
> Kinda goes along with your story below.
>
> Bill
the mined a type of purple body powered. It seems that after driving
vertical, that the Jeep will fall back straight down, but with timing,
it will fall forward on to the masa.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> During my Motocross days as a young whipper snapper, I was challenged to
> climb a nearly vertical cut-out by my friends. This was an area we called
> the pits where they dug out clay or something. Anyway it was a great place
> to get lift on an MX bike and practice. So this piece of land they
> challenged me on was like a wall of where they dug out. The top part needed
> to navigate (or squeeze) between a tree and a trunk and at the top there was
> a bump outward like a small ledge.
>
> Anyway, I couldn't believe myself that I did it. It must have been luck or
> momentum that carried me up, I don't know but I just attacked it and kept on
> going.
>
> Kinda goes along with your story below.
>
> Bill
08-05-2004, 09:03 PM
#34
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Re: Black Bear Pass - How much actual room?
> I guess with my CJ7 it should be good though I won't be making that trip
anytime soon. I would need to put it in 4-low just so I can inch through>
it.
You'll want to be in 4 low most of the time, but ther asre som lond sections
after the pass you could do in 4 hi if you wanted to.
> With a CJ7 do you need to make the turn(s) in question in a 3-point
fashion or can you make the turn in one turn?>
3-pointers are required after the ledges. In fact the ist one past the
falls, and the 4th may take more than that. Depe=nds upon your approach.
> Also, a spotter is necessary?>
I've never had a spotter, but it would help. When I broke a brake line on
the 1st switchback back in '01 a guy came up behind me as I crawled down to
the second switchback in 1st gear, 4 low and only the emergency brake. I
told the guy what was going on and he said he'd help. Then he wanted to
talk about my suspension, axles, etc....I was about to load my pants and he
wants to talk Jeeps! Anyway, as I approcahed the 2nd switchback the nut
stood right in front of me! I had to remind him ..."I got no BRAKES!!!,
after which he understood.
> Just curious, what would happen if a full size got pass the first switch
back and couldn't go further? What would they do?>
If it got past the first and fourth ones it would probably be ok, but I
wouldn't be a passener in a fullsize on that trail. If you mean the turn
before the falls, I've heard people turn around and head back to the pass,
even though it's one way...hope I don't meet up with 'em anytime soon.
<gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:cesae8124dp@enews2.newsguy.com...
> > Bill,
> >
> > The trail starts at Red Mountian Pass between Ouray and Silerton on Hwy
> 550.
> > It is relatively easy to begin with, however starts to tighten up after
> the
> > pass itself, where it becomes one way (west towards Telluride). It
becomes
> > visually discoincerting, as you face directly down Ingram creek and over
a
> > cliff, with Telluride in the distance far below. As you make the first
> left
> > hand three point turn it gradually gets narrower as you cross the falls
> and
> > skirt the cliff face to approach the first, very narrow and tight
> > switchback. The first four switchbacks are the toughest, by the time you
> get
> > to the fifth, which is a the road up to the powerhouse, the road become
> much
> > wider and two way. You're basically home free at that point.
> >
> > Re: full size ANYTHING on that trail, DON'T DO IT past the Pass itself.
> > You'll be ok until you get to the turn above Ingram falls, but the four
> > upper switchbacks aren't worth the risk, and you can't back out.
> >
> > FWIW, after the first switchback the next two can lull you a bit, but #4
> is
> > as tough as the first one to many of us.
> >
> > There's enough room for a standard width / wheelbase Jeep to get down,
but
> > it looks much more difficult than it is and quite unforgiving.
> > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > news:2ncutqFv8g3fU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > > Given the recent news regarding Black Bear Pass I am wondering just
how
> > much
> > > room is there for a jeep to get down?
> > >
> > > How much "maneuver" room is there?
> > >
> > > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blacke.jpg
> > > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blackc.jpg
> > > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/html/blkbear.html
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
anytime soon. I would need to put it in 4-low just so I can inch through>
it.
You'll want to be in 4 low most of the time, but ther asre som lond sections
after the pass you could do in 4 hi if you wanted to.
> With a CJ7 do you need to make the turn(s) in question in a 3-point
fashion or can you make the turn in one turn?>
3-pointers are required after the ledges. In fact the ist one past the
falls, and the 4th may take more than that. Depe=nds upon your approach.
> Also, a spotter is necessary?>
I've never had a spotter, but it would help. When I broke a brake line on
the 1st switchback back in '01 a guy came up behind me as I crawled down to
the second switchback in 1st gear, 4 low and only the emergency brake. I
told the guy what was going on and he said he'd help. Then he wanted to
talk about my suspension, axles, etc....I was about to load my pants and he
wants to talk Jeeps! Anyway, as I approcahed the 2nd switchback the nut
stood right in front of me! I had to remind him ..."I got no BRAKES!!!,
after which he understood.
> Just curious, what would happen if a full size got pass the first switch
back and couldn't go further? What would they do?>
If it got past the first and fourth ones it would probably be ok, but I
wouldn't be a passener in a fullsize on that trail. If you mean the turn
before the falls, I've heard people turn around and head back to the pass,
even though it's one way...hope I don't meet up with 'em anytime soon.
<gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:cesae8124dp@enews2.newsguy.com...
> > Bill,
> >
> > The trail starts at Red Mountian Pass between Ouray and Silerton on Hwy
> 550.
> > It is relatively easy to begin with, however starts to tighten up after
> the
> > pass itself, where it becomes one way (west towards Telluride). It
becomes
> > visually discoincerting, as you face directly down Ingram creek and over
a
> > cliff, with Telluride in the distance far below. As you make the first
> left
> > hand three point turn it gradually gets narrower as you cross the falls
> and
> > skirt the cliff face to approach the first, very narrow and tight
> > switchback. The first four switchbacks are the toughest, by the time you
> get
> > to the fifth, which is a the road up to the powerhouse, the road become
> much
> > wider and two way. You're basically home free at that point.
> >
> > Re: full size ANYTHING on that trail, DON'T DO IT past the Pass itself.
> > You'll be ok until you get to the turn above Ingram falls, but the four
> > upper switchbacks aren't worth the risk, and you can't back out.
> >
> > FWIW, after the first switchback the next two can lull you a bit, but #4
> is
> > as tough as the first one to many of us.
> >
> > There's enough room for a standard width / wheelbase Jeep to get down,
but
> > it looks much more difficult than it is and quite unforgiving.
> > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > news:2ncutqFv8g3fU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > > Given the recent news regarding Black Bear Pass I am wondering just
how
> > much
> > > room is there for a jeep to get down?
> > >
> > > How much "maneuver" room is there?
> > >
> > > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blacke.jpg
> > > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blackc.jpg
> > > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/html/blkbear.html
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
08-05-2004, 09:03 PM
#35
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Posts: n/a
Re: Black Bear Pass - How much actual room?
> I guess with my CJ7 it should be good though I won't be making that trip
anytime soon. I would need to put it in 4-low just so I can inch through>
it.
You'll want to be in 4 low most of the time, but ther asre som lond sections
after the pass you could do in 4 hi if you wanted to.
> With a CJ7 do you need to make the turn(s) in question in a 3-point
fashion or can you make the turn in one turn?>
3-pointers are required after the ledges. In fact the ist one past the
falls, and the 4th may take more than that. Depe=nds upon your approach.
> Also, a spotter is necessary?>
I've never had a spotter, but it would help. When I broke a brake line on
the 1st switchback back in '01 a guy came up behind me as I crawled down to
the second switchback in 1st gear, 4 low and only the emergency brake. I
told the guy what was going on and he said he'd help. Then he wanted to
talk about my suspension, axles, etc....I was about to load my pants and he
wants to talk Jeeps! Anyway, as I approcahed the 2nd switchback the nut
stood right in front of me! I had to remind him ..."I got no BRAKES!!!,
after which he understood.
> Just curious, what would happen if a full size got pass the first switch
back and couldn't go further? What would they do?>
If it got past the first and fourth ones it would probably be ok, but I
wouldn't be a passener in a fullsize on that trail. If you mean the turn
before the falls, I've heard people turn around and head back to the pass,
even though it's one way...hope I don't meet up with 'em anytime soon.
<gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:cesae8124dp@enews2.newsguy.com...
> > Bill,
> >
> > The trail starts at Red Mountian Pass between Ouray and Silerton on Hwy
> 550.
> > It is relatively easy to begin with, however starts to tighten up after
> the
> > pass itself, where it becomes one way (west towards Telluride). It
becomes
> > visually discoincerting, as you face directly down Ingram creek and over
a
> > cliff, with Telluride in the distance far below. As you make the first
> left
> > hand three point turn it gradually gets narrower as you cross the falls
> and
> > skirt the cliff face to approach the first, very narrow and tight
> > switchback. The first four switchbacks are the toughest, by the time you
> get
> > to the fifth, which is a the road up to the powerhouse, the road become
> much
> > wider and two way. You're basically home free at that point.
> >
> > Re: full size ANYTHING on that trail, DON'T DO IT past the Pass itself.
> > You'll be ok until you get to the turn above Ingram falls, but the four
> > upper switchbacks aren't worth the risk, and you can't back out.
> >
> > FWIW, after the first switchback the next two can lull you a bit, but #4
> is
> > as tough as the first one to many of us.
> >
> > There's enough room for a standard width / wheelbase Jeep to get down,
but
> > it looks much more difficult than it is and quite unforgiving.
> > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > news:2ncutqFv8g3fU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > > Given the recent news regarding Black Bear Pass I am wondering just
how
> > much
> > > room is there for a jeep to get down?
> > >
> > > How much "maneuver" room is there?
> > >
> > > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blacke.jpg
> > > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blackc.jpg
> > > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/html/blkbear.html
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
anytime soon. I would need to put it in 4-low just so I can inch through>
it.
You'll want to be in 4 low most of the time, but ther asre som lond sections
after the pass you could do in 4 hi if you wanted to.
> With a CJ7 do you need to make the turn(s) in question in a 3-point
fashion or can you make the turn in one turn?>
3-pointers are required after the ledges. In fact the ist one past the
falls, and the 4th may take more than that. Depe=nds upon your approach.
> Also, a spotter is necessary?>
I've never had a spotter, but it would help. When I broke a brake line on
the 1st switchback back in '01 a guy came up behind me as I crawled down to
the second switchback in 1st gear, 4 low and only the emergency brake. I
told the guy what was going on and he said he'd help. Then he wanted to
talk about my suspension, axles, etc....I was about to load my pants and he
wants to talk Jeeps! Anyway, as I approcahed the 2nd switchback the nut
stood right in front of me! I had to remind him ..."I got no BRAKES!!!,
after which he understood.
> Just curious, what would happen if a full size got pass the first switch
back and couldn't go further? What would they do?>
If it got past the first and fourth ones it would probably be ok, but I
wouldn't be a passener in a fullsize on that trail. If you mean the turn
before the falls, I've heard people turn around and head back to the pass,
even though it's one way...hope I don't meet up with 'em anytime soon.
<gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:cesae8124dp@enews2.newsguy.com...
> > Bill,
> >
> > The trail starts at Red Mountian Pass between Ouray and Silerton on Hwy
> 550.
> > It is relatively easy to begin with, however starts to tighten up after
> the
> > pass itself, where it becomes one way (west towards Telluride). It
becomes
> > visually discoincerting, as you face directly down Ingram creek and over
a
> > cliff, with Telluride in the distance far below. As you make the first
> left
> > hand three point turn it gradually gets narrower as you cross the falls
> and
> > skirt the cliff face to approach the first, very narrow and tight
> > switchback. The first four switchbacks are the toughest, by the time you
> get
> > to the fifth, which is a the road up to the powerhouse, the road become
> much
> > wider and two way. You're basically home free at that point.
> >
> > Re: full size ANYTHING on that trail, DON'T DO IT past the Pass itself.
> > You'll be ok until you get to the turn above Ingram falls, but the four
> > upper switchbacks aren't worth the risk, and you can't back out.
> >
> > FWIW, after the first switchback the next two can lull you a bit, but #4
> is
> > as tough as the first one to many of us.
> >
> > There's enough room for a standard width / wheelbase Jeep to get down,
but
> > it looks much more difficult than it is and quite unforgiving.
> > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > news:2ncutqFv8g3fU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > > Given the recent news regarding Black Bear Pass I am wondering just
how
> > much
> > > room is there for a jeep to get down?
> > >
> > > How much "maneuver" room is there?
> > >
> > > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blacke.jpg
> > > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blackc.jpg
> > > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/html/blkbear.html
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
08-05-2004, 09:03 PM
#36
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Black Bear Pass - How much actual room?
> I guess with my CJ7 it should be good though I won't be making that trip
anytime soon. I would need to put it in 4-low just so I can inch through>
it.
You'll want to be in 4 low most of the time, but ther asre som lond sections
after the pass you could do in 4 hi if you wanted to.
> With a CJ7 do you need to make the turn(s) in question in a 3-point
fashion or can you make the turn in one turn?>
3-pointers are required after the ledges. In fact the ist one past the
falls, and the 4th may take more than that. Depe=nds upon your approach.
> Also, a spotter is necessary?>
I've never had a spotter, but it would help. When I broke a brake line on
the 1st switchback back in '01 a guy came up behind me as I crawled down to
the second switchback in 1st gear, 4 low and only the emergency brake. I
told the guy what was going on and he said he'd help. Then he wanted to
talk about my suspension, axles, etc....I was about to load my pants and he
wants to talk Jeeps! Anyway, as I approcahed the 2nd switchback the nut
stood right in front of me! I had to remind him ..."I got no BRAKES!!!,
after which he understood.
> Just curious, what would happen if a full size got pass the first switch
back and couldn't go further? What would they do?>
If it got past the first and fourth ones it would probably be ok, but I
wouldn't be a passener in a fullsize on that trail. If you mean the turn
before the falls, I've heard people turn around and head back to the pass,
even though it's one way...hope I don't meet up with 'em anytime soon.
<gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:cesae8124dp@enews2.newsguy.com...
> > Bill,
> >
> > The trail starts at Red Mountian Pass between Ouray and Silerton on Hwy
> 550.
> > It is relatively easy to begin with, however starts to tighten up after
> the
> > pass itself, where it becomes one way (west towards Telluride). It
becomes
> > visually discoincerting, as you face directly down Ingram creek and over
a
> > cliff, with Telluride in the distance far below. As you make the first
> left
> > hand three point turn it gradually gets narrower as you cross the falls
> and
> > skirt the cliff face to approach the first, very narrow and tight
> > switchback. The first four switchbacks are the toughest, by the time you
> get
> > to the fifth, which is a the road up to the powerhouse, the road become
> much
> > wider and two way. You're basically home free at that point.
> >
> > Re: full size ANYTHING on that trail, DON'T DO IT past the Pass itself.
> > You'll be ok until you get to the turn above Ingram falls, but the four
> > upper switchbacks aren't worth the risk, and you can't back out.
> >
> > FWIW, after the first switchback the next two can lull you a bit, but #4
> is
> > as tough as the first one to many of us.
> >
> > There's enough room for a standard width / wheelbase Jeep to get down,
but
> > it looks much more difficult than it is and quite unforgiving.
> > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > news:2ncutqFv8g3fU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > > Given the recent news regarding Black Bear Pass I am wondering just
how
> > much
> > > room is there for a jeep to get down?
> > >
> > > How much "maneuver" room is there?
> > >
> > > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blacke.jpg
> > > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blackc.jpg
> > > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/html/blkbear.html
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
anytime soon. I would need to put it in 4-low just so I can inch through>
it.
You'll want to be in 4 low most of the time, but ther asre som lond sections
after the pass you could do in 4 hi if you wanted to.
> With a CJ7 do you need to make the turn(s) in question in a 3-point
fashion or can you make the turn in one turn?>
3-pointers are required after the ledges. In fact the ist one past the
falls, and the 4th may take more than that. Depe=nds upon your approach.
> Also, a spotter is necessary?>
I've never had a spotter, but it would help. When I broke a brake line on
the 1st switchback back in '01 a guy came up behind me as I crawled down to
the second switchback in 1st gear, 4 low and only the emergency brake. I
told the guy what was going on and he said he'd help. Then he wanted to
talk about my suspension, axles, etc....I was about to load my pants and he
wants to talk Jeeps! Anyway, as I approcahed the 2nd switchback the nut
stood right in front of me! I had to remind him ..."I got no BRAKES!!!,
after which he understood.
> Just curious, what would happen if a full size got pass the first switch
back and couldn't go further? What would they do?>
If it got past the first and fourth ones it would probably be ok, but I
wouldn't be a passener in a fullsize on that trail. If you mean the turn
before the falls, I've heard people turn around and head back to the pass,
even though it's one way...hope I don't meet up with 'em anytime soon.
<gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:cesae8124dp@enews2.newsguy.com...
> > Bill,
> >
> > The trail starts at Red Mountian Pass between Ouray and Silerton on Hwy
> 550.
> > It is relatively easy to begin with, however starts to tighten up after
> the
> > pass itself, where it becomes one way (west towards Telluride). It
becomes
> > visually discoincerting, as you face directly down Ingram creek and over
a
> > cliff, with Telluride in the distance far below. As you make the first
> left
> > hand three point turn it gradually gets narrower as you cross the falls
> and
> > skirt the cliff face to approach the first, very narrow and tight
> > switchback. The first four switchbacks are the toughest, by the time you
> get
> > to the fifth, which is a the road up to the powerhouse, the road become
> much
> > wider and two way. You're basically home free at that point.
> >
> > Re: full size ANYTHING on that trail, DON'T DO IT past the Pass itself.
> > You'll be ok until you get to the turn above Ingram falls, but the four
> > upper switchbacks aren't worth the risk, and you can't back out.
> >
> > FWIW, after the first switchback the next two can lull you a bit, but #4
> is
> > as tough as the first one to many of us.
> >
> > There's enough room for a standard width / wheelbase Jeep to get down,
but
> > it looks much more difficult than it is and quite unforgiving.
> > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > news:2ncutqFv8g3fU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > > Given the recent news regarding Black Bear Pass I am wondering just
how
> > much
> > > room is there for a jeep to get down?
> > >
> > > How much "maneuver" room is there?
> > >
> > > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blacke.jpg
> > > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blackc.jpg
> > > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/html/blkbear.html
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
08-05-2004, 09:03 PM
#37
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Black Bear Pass - How much actual room?
> I guess with my CJ7 it should be good though I won't be making that trip
anytime soon. I would need to put it in 4-low just so I can inch through>
it.
You'll want to be in 4 low most of the time, but ther asre som lond sections
after the pass you could do in 4 hi if you wanted to.
> With a CJ7 do you need to make the turn(s) in question in a 3-point
fashion or can you make the turn in one turn?>
3-pointers are required after the ledges. In fact the ist one past the
falls, and the 4th may take more than that. Depe=nds upon your approach.
> Also, a spotter is necessary?>
I've never had a spotter, but it would help. When I broke a brake line on
the 1st switchback back in '01 a guy came up behind me as I crawled down to
the second switchback in 1st gear, 4 low and only the emergency brake. I
told the guy what was going on and he said he'd help. Then he wanted to
talk about my suspension, axles, etc....I was about to load my pants and he
wants to talk Jeeps! Anyway, as I approcahed the 2nd switchback the nut
stood right in front of me! I had to remind him ..."I got no BRAKES!!!,
after which he understood.
> Just curious, what would happen if a full size got pass the first switch
back and couldn't go further? What would they do?>
If it got past the first and fourth ones it would probably be ok, but I
wouldn't be a passener in a fullsize on that trail. If you mean the turn
before the falls, I've heard people turn around and head back to the pass,
even though it's one way...hope I don't meet up with 'em anytime soon.
<gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:cesae8124dp@enews2.newsguy.com...
> > Bill,
> >
> > The trail starts at Red Mountian Pass between Ouray and Silerton on Hwy
> 550.
> > It is relatively easy to begin with, however starts to tighten up after
> the
> > pass itself, where it becomes one way (west towards Telluride). It
becomes
> > visually discoincerting, as you face directly down Ingram creek and over
a
> > cliff, with Telluride in the distance far below. As you make the first
> left
> > hand three point turn it gradually gets narrower as you cross the falls
> and
> > skirt the cliff face to approach the first, very narrow and tight
> > switchback. The first four switchbacks are the toughest, by the time you
> get
> > to the fifth, which is a the road up to the powerhouse, the road become
> much
> > wider and two way. You're basically home free at that point.
> >
> > Re: full size ANYTHING on that trail, DON'T DO IT past the Pass itself.
> > You'll be ok until you get to the turn above Ingram falls, but the four
> > upper switchbacks aren't worth the risk, and you can't back out.
> >
> > FWIW, after the first switchback the next two can lull you a bit, but #4
> is
> > as tough as the first one to many of us.
> >
> > There's enough room for a standard width / wheelbase Jeep to get down,
but
> > it looks much more difficult than it is and quite unforgiving.
> > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > news:2ncutqFv8g3fU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > > Given the recent news regarding Black Bear Pass I am wondering just
how
> > much
> > > room is there for a jeep to get down?
> > >
> > > How much "maneuver" room is there?
> > >
> > > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blacke.jpg
> > > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blackc.jpg
> > > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/html/blkbear.html
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
anytime soon. I would need to put it in 4-low just so I can inch through>
it.
You'll want to be in 4 low most of the time, but ther asre som lond sections
after the pass you could do in 4 hi if you wanted to.
> With a CJ7 do you need to make the turn(s) in question in a 3-point
fashion or can you make the turn in one turn?>
3-pointers are required after the ledges. In fact the ist one past the
falls, and the 4th may take more than that. Depe=nds upon your approach.
> Also, a spotter is necessary?>
I've never had a spotter, but it would help. When I broke a brake line on
the 1st switchback back in '01 a guy came up behind me as I crawled down to
the second switchback in 1st gear, 4 low and only the emergency brake. I
told the guy what was going on and he said he'd help. Then he wanted to
talk about my suspension, axles, etc....I was about to load my pants and he
wants to talk Jeeps! Anyway, as I approcahed the 2nd switchback the nut
stood right in front of me! I had to remind him ..."I got no BRAKES!!!,
after which he understood.
> Just curious, what would happen if a full size got pass the first switch
back and couldn't go further? What would they do?>
If it got past the first and fourth ones it would probably be ok, but I
wouldn't be a passener in a fullsize on that trail. If you mean the turn
before the falls, I've heard people turn around and head back to the pass,
even though it's one way...hope I don't meet up with 'em anytime soon.
<gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
> news:cesae8124dp@enews2.newsguy.com...
> > Bill,
> >
> > The trail starts at Red Mountian Pass between Ouray and Silerton on Hwy
> 550.
> > It is relatively easy to begin with, however starts to tighten up after
> the
> > pass itself, where it becomes one way (west towards Telluride). It
becomes
> > visually discoincerting, as you face directly down Ingram creek and over
a
> > cliff, with Telluride in the distance far below. As you make the first
> left
> > hand three point turn it gradually gets narrower as you cross the falls
> and
> > skirt the cliff face to approach the first, very narrow and tight
> > switchback. The first four switchbacks are the toughest, by the time you
> get
> > to the fifth, which is a the road up to the powerhouse, the road become
> much
> > wider and two way. You're basically home free at that point.
> >
> > Re: full size ANYTHING on that trail, DON'T DO IT past the Pass itself.
> > You'll be ok until you get to the turn above Ingram falls, but the four
> > upper switchbacks aren't worth the risk, and you can't back out.
> >
> > FWIW, after the first switchback the next two can lull you a bit, but #4
> is
> > as tough as the first one to many of us.
> >
> > There's enough room for a standard width / wheelbase Jeep to get down,
but
> > it looks much more difficult than it is and quite unforgiving.
> > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > news:2ncutqFv8g3fU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > > Given the recent news regarding Black Bear Pass I am wondering just
how
> > much
> > > room is there for a jeep to get down?
> > >
> > > How much "maneuver" room is there?
> > >
> > > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blacke.jpg
> > > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blackc.jpg
> > > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/html/blkbear.html
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
08-06-2004, 12:54 AM
#38
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Black Bear Pass - How much actual room?
> I've never had a spotter, but it would help. When I broke a brake line on
> the 1st switchback back in '01 a guy came up behind me as I crawled down
to
> the second switchback in 1st gear, 4 low and only the emergency brake. I
> told the guy what was going on and he said he'd help. Then he wanted to
> talk about my suspension, axles, etc....I was about to load my pants and
he
> wants to talk Jeeps! Anyway, as I approcahed the 2nd switchback the nut
> stood right in front of me! I had to remind him ..."I got no BRAKES!!!,
> after which he understood.
Talking jeeps while you're in that situation.... Freakin hilarious!!
08-06-2004, 12:54 AM
#39
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Black Bear Pass - How much actual room?
> I've never had a spotter, but it would help. When I broke a brake line on
> the 1st switchback back in '01 a guy came up behind me as I crawled down
to
> the second switchback in 1st gear, 4 low and only the emergency brake. I
> told the guy what was going on and he said he'd help. Then he wanted to
> talk about my suspension, axles, etc....I was about to load my pants and
he
> wants to talk Jeeps! Anyway, as I approcahed the 2nd switchback the nut
> stood right in front of me! I had to remind him ..."I got no BRAKES!!!,
> after which he understood.
Talking jeeps while you're in that situation.... Freakin hilarious!!
08-06-2004, 12:54 AM
#40
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Black Bear Pass - How much actual room?
> I've never had a spotter, but it would help. When I broke a brake line on
> the 1st switchback back in '01 a guy came up behind me as I crawled down
to
> the second switchback in 1st gear, 4 low and only the emergency brake. I
> told the guy what was going on and he said he'd help. Then he wanted to
> talk about my suspension, axles, etc....I was about to load my pants and
he
> wants to talk Jeeps! Anyway, as I approcahed the 2nd switchback the nut
> stood right in front of me! I had to remind him ..."I got no BRAKES!!!,
> after which he understood.
Talking jeeps while you're in that situation.... Freakin hilarious!!