Black Bear Pass - How much actual room?
08-05-2004, 12:44 AM
#21
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Re: Black Bear Pass - How much actual room?
"James Gemmill" <gemmilljim@hotmail,com> wrote in message
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> I watched a full sized pickup travel Bl;ack Bear a couple of years
> ago. He was slow, but made it, F150 longbed as I recall. Standard
> cab.
With the right technique, or recklessness, you can do a lot. I once saw a
2wd small Toyota pickup drive up a fire lookout road that I'd previously
considered a moderate 4wd only road. The biggest problem was a series of
6"-8" stair steps on a slick granite hill. He must have charged up the hill
and over the stair steps, so who knows what he did to the tires and
suspension.
-John
08-05-2004, 01:27 AM
#22
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Re: Black Bear Pass - How much actual room?
During my Motocross days as a young whipper snapper, I was challenged to
climb a nearly vertical cut-out by my friends. This was an area we called
the pits where they dug out clay or something. Anyway it was a great place
to get lift on an MX bike and practice. So this piece of land they
challenged me on was like a wall of where they dug out. The top part needed
to navigate (or squeeze) between a tree and a trunk and at the top there was
a bump outward like a small ledge.
Anyway, I couldn't believe myself that I did it. It must have been luck or
momentum that carried me up, I don't know but I just attacked it and kept on
going.
Kinda goes along with your story below.
Bill
"Generic" <generic@scientist.com> wrote in message
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>
> "James Gemmill" <gemmilljim@hotmail,com> wrote in message
> news:8pc3h0poao8ij35sh4nopi0pcacguog1no@4ax.com...
> > I watched a full sized pickup travel Bl;ack Bear a couple of years
> > ago. He was slow, but made it, F150 longbed as I recall. Standard
> > cab.
>
> With the right technique, or recklessness, you can do a lot. I once saw a
> 2wd small Toyota pickup drive up a fire lookout road that I'd previously
> considered a moderate 4wd only road. The biggest problem was a series of
> 6"-8" stair steps on a slick granite hill. He must have charged up the
hill
> and over the stair steps, so who knows what he did to the tires and
> suspension.
>
> -John
>
>
climb a nearly vertical cut-out by my friends. This was an area we called
the pits where they dug out clay or something. Anyway it was a great place
to get lift on an MX bike and practice. So this piece of land they
challenged me on was like a wall of where they dug out. The top part needed
to navigate (or squeeze) between a tree and a trunk and at the top there was
a bump outward like a small ledge.
Anyway, I couldn't believe myself that I did it. It must have been luck or
momentum that carried me up, I don't know but I just attacked it and kept on
going.
Kinda goes along with your story below.
Bill
"Generic" <generic@scientist.com> wrote in message
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>
> "James Gemmill" <gemmilljim@hotmail,com> wrote in message
> news:8pc3h0poao8ij35sh4nopi0pcacguog1no@4ax.com...
> > I watched a full sized pickup travel Bl;ack Bear a couple of years
> > ago. He was slow, but made it, F150 longbed as I recall. Standard
> > cab.
>
> With the right technique, or recklessness, you can do a lot. I once saw a
> 2wd small Toyota pickup drive up a fire lookout road that I'd previously
> considered a moderate 4wd only road. The biggest problem was a series of
> 6"-8" stair steps on a slick granite hill. He must have charged up the
hill
> and over the stair steps, so who knows what he did to the tires and
> suspension.
>
> -John
>
>
08-05-2004, 01:27 AM
#23
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Re: Black Bear Pass - How much actual room?
During my Motocross days as a young whipper snapper, I was challenged to
climb a nearly vertical cut-out by my friends. This was an area we called
the pits where they dug out clay or something. Anyway it was a great place
to get lift on an MX bike and practice. So this piece of land they
challenged me on was like a wall of where they dug out. The top part needed
to navigate (or squeeze) between a tree and a trunk and at the top there was
a bump outward like a small ledge.
Anyway, I couldn't believe myself that I did it. It must have been luck or
momentum that carried me up, I don't know but I just attacked it and kept on
going.
Kinda goes along with your story below.
Bill
"Generic" <generic@scientist.com> wrote in message
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>
> "James Gemmill" <gemmilljim@hotmail,com> wrote in message
> news:8pc3h0poao8ij35sh4nopi0pcacguog1no@4ax.com...
> > I watched a full sized pickup travel Bl;ack Bear a couple of years
> > ago. He was slow, but made it, F150 longbed as I recall. Standard
> > cab.
>
> With the right technique, or recklessness, you can do a lot. I once saw a
> 2wd small Toyota pickup drive up a fire lookout road that I'd previously
> considered a moderate 4wd only road. The biggest problem was a series of
> 6"-8" stair steps on a slick granite hill. He must have charged up the
hill
> and over the stair steps, so who knows what he did to the tires and
> suspension.
>
> -John
>
>
climb a nearly vertical cut-out by my friends. This was an area we called
the pits where they dug out clay or something. Anyway it was a great place
to get lift on an MX bike and practice. So this piece of land they
challenged me on was like a wall of where they dug out. The top part needed
to navigate (or squeeze) between a tree and a trunk and at the top there was
a bump outward like a small ledge.
Anyway, I couldn't believe myself that I did it. It must have been luck or
momentum that carried me up, I don't know but I just attacked it and kept on
going.
Kinda goes along with your story below.
Bill
"Generic" <generic@scientist.com> wrote in message
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>
> "James Gemmill" <gemmilljim@hotmail,com> wrote in message
> news:8pc3h0poao8ij35sh4nopi0pcacguog1no@4ax.com...
> > I watched a full sized pickup travel Bl;ack Bear a couple of years
> > ago. He was slow, but made it, F150 longbed as I recall. Standard
> > cab.
>
> With the right technique, or recklessness, you can do a lot. I once saw a
> 2wd small Toyota pickup drive up a fire lookout road that I'd previously
> considered a moderate 4wd only road. The biggest problem was a series of
> 6"-8" stair steps on a slick granite hill. He must have charged up the
hill
> and over the stair steps, so who knows what he did to the tires and
> suspension.
>
> -John
>
>
08-05-2004, 01:27 AM
#24
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Re: Black Bear Pass - How much actual room?
During my Motocross days as a young whipper snapper, I was challenged to
climb a nearly vertical cut-out by my friends. This was an area we called
the pits where they dug out clay or something. Anyway it was a great place
to get lift on an MX bike and practice. So this piece of land they
challenged me on was like a wall of where they dug out. The top part needed
to navigate (or squeeze) between a tree and a trunk and at the top there was
a bump outward like a small ledge.
Anyway, I couldn't believe myself that I did it. It must have been luck or
momentum that carried me up, I don't know but I just attacked it and kept on
going.
Kinda goes along with your story below.
Bill
"Generic" <generic@scientist.com> wrote in message
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>
> "James Gemmill" <gemmilljim@hotmail,com> wrote in message
> news:8pc3h0poao8ij35sh4nopi0pcacguog1no@4ax.com...
> > I watched a full sized pickup travel Bl;ack Bear a couple of years
> > ago. He was slow, but made it, F150 longbed as I recall. Standard
> > cab.
>
> With the right technique, or recklessness, you can do a lot. I once saw a
> 2wd small Toyota pickup drive up a fire lookout road that I'd previously
> considered a moderate 4wd only road. The biggest problem was a series of
> 6"-8" stair steps on a slick granite hill. He must have charged up the
hill
> and over the stair steps, so who knows what he did to the tires and
> suspension.
>
> -John
>
>
climb a nearly vertical cut-out by my friends. This was an area we called
the pits where they dug out clay or something. Anyway it was a great place
to get lift on an MX bike and practice. So this piece of land they
challenged me on was like a wall of where they dug out. The top part needed
to navigate (or squeeze) between a tree and a trunk and at the top there was
a bump outward like a small ledge.
Anyway, I couldn't believe myself that I did it. It must have been luck or
momentum that carried me up, I don't know but I just attacked it and kept on
going.
Kinda goes along with your story below.
Bill
"Generic" <generic@scientist.com> wrote in message
news:4111bad6$0$5458$a32e20b9@news.nntpservers.com ...
>
> "James Gemmill" <gemmilljim@hotmail,com> wrote in message
> news:8pc3h0poao8ij35sh4nopi0pcacguog1no@4ax.com...
> > I watched a full sized pickup travel Bl;ack Bear a couple of years
> > ago. He was slow, but made it, F150 longbed as I recall. Standard
> > cab.
>
> With the right technique, or recklessness, you can do a lot. I once saw a
> 2wd small Toyota pickup drive up a fire lookout road that I'd previously
> considered a moderate 4wd only road. The biggest problem was a series of
> 6"-8" stair steps on a slick granite hill. He must have charged up the
hill
> and over the stair steps, so who knows what he did to the tires and
> suspension.
>
> -John
>
>
08-05-2004, 01:27 AM
#25
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Re: Black Bear Pass - How much actual room?
During my Motocross days as a young whipper snapper, I was challenged to
climb a nearly vertical cut-out by my friends. This was an area we called
the pits where they dug out clay or something. Anyway it was a great place
to get lift on an MX bike and practice. So this piece of land they
challenged me on was like a wall of where they dug out. The top part needed
to navigate (or squeeze) between a tree and a trunk and at the top there was
a bump outward like a small ledge.
Anyway, I couldn't believe myself that I did it. It must have been luck or
momentum that carried me up, I don't know but I just attacked it and kept on
going.
Kinda goes along with your story below.
Bill
"Generic" <generic@scientist.com> wrote in message
news:4111bad6$0$5458$a32e20b9@news.nntpservers.com ...
>
> "James Gemmill" <gemmilljim@hotmail,com> wrote in message
> news:8pc3h0poao8ij35sh4nopi0pcacguog1no@4ax.com...
> > I watched a full sized pickup travel Bl;ack Bear a couple of years
> > ago. He was slow, but made it, F150 longbed as I recall. Standard
> > cab.
>
> With the right technique, or recklessness, you can do a lot. I once saw a
> 2wd small Toyota pickup drive up a fire lookout road that I'd previously
> considered a moderate 4wd only road. The biggest problem was a series of
> 6"-8" stair steps on a slick granite hill. He must have charged up the
hill
> and over the stair steps, so who knows what he did to the tires and
> suspension.
>
> -John
>
>
climb a nearly vertical cut-out by my friends. This was an area we called
the pits where they dug out clay or something. Anyway it was a great place
to get lift on an MX bike and practice. So this piece of land they
challenged me on was like a wall of where they dug out. The top part needed
to navigate (or squeeze) between a tree and a trunk and at the top there was
a bump outward like a small ledge.
Anyway, I couldn't believe myself that I did it. It must have been luck or
momentum that carried me up, I don't know but I just attacked it and kept on
going.
Kinda goes along with your story below.
Bill
"Generic" <generic@scientist.com> wrote in message
news:4111bad6$0$5458$a32e20b9@news.nntpservers.com ...
>
> "James Gemmill" <gemmilljim@hotmail,com> wrote in message
> news:8pc3h0poao8ij35sh4nopi0pcacguog1no@4ax.com...
> > I watched a full sized pickup travel Bl;ack Bear a couple of years
> > ago. He was slow, but made it, F150 longbed as I recall. Standard
> > cab.
>
> With the right technique, or recklessness, you can do a lot. I once saw a
> 2wd small Toyota pickup drive up a fire lookout road that I'd previously
> considered a moderate 4wd only road. The biggest problem was a series of
> 6"-8" stair steps on a slick granite hill. He must have charged up the
hill
> and over the stair steps, so who knows what he did to the tires and
> suspension.
>
> -John
>
>
08-05-2004, 01:34 AM
#26
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Re: Black Bear Pass - How much actual room?
I guess with my CJ7 it should be good though I won't be making that trip
anytime soon. I would need to put it in 4-low just so I can inch through
it.
With a CJ7 do you need to make the turn(s) in question in a 3-point fashion
or can you make the turn in one turn?
Also, a spotter is necessary?
Just curious, what would happen if a full size got pass the first switch
back and couldn't go further? What would they do?
Bill
"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:cesae8124dp@enews2.newsguy.com...
> Bill,
>
> The trail starts at Red Mountian Pass between Ouray and Silerton on Hwy
550.
> It is relatively easy to begin with, however starts to tighten up after
the
> pass itself, where it becomes one way (west towards Telluride). It becomes
> visually discoincerting, as you face directly down Ingram creek and over a
> cliff, with Telluride in the distance far below. As you make the first
left
> hand three point turn it gradually gets narrower as you cross the falls
and
> skirt the cliff face to approach the first, very narrow and tight
> switchback. The first four switchbacks are the toughest, by the time you
get
> to the fifth, which is a the road up to the powerhouse, the road become
much
> wider and two way. You're basically home free at that point.
>
> Re: full size ANYTHING on that trail, DON'T DO IT past the Pass itself.
> You'll be ok until you get to the turn above Ingram falls, but the four
> upper switchbacks aren't worth the risk, and you can't back out.
>
> FWIW, after the first switchback the next two can lull you a bit, but #4
is
> as tough as the first one to many of us.
>
> There's enough room for a standard width / wheelbase Jeep to get down, but
> it looks much more difficult than it is and quite unforgiving.
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:2ncutqFv8g3fU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > Given the recent news regarding Black Bear Pass I am wondering just how
> much
> > room is there for a jeep to get down?
> >
> > How much "maneuver" room is there?
> >
> > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blacke.jpg
> > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blackc.jpg
> > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/html/blkbear.html
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
>
>
anytime soon. I would need to put it in 4-low just so I can inch through
it.
With a CJ7 do you need to make the turn(s) in question in a 3-point fashion
or can you make the turn in one turn?
Also, a spotter is necessary?
Just curious, what would happen if a full size got pass the first switch
back and couldn't go further? What would they do?
Bill
"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:cesae8124dp@enews2.newsguy.com...
> Bill,
>
> The trail starts at Red Mountian Pass between Ouray and Silerton on Hwy
550.
> It is relatively easy to begin with, however starts to tighten up after
the
> pass itself, where it becomes one way (west towards Telluride). It becomes
> visually discoincerting, as you face directly down Ingram creek and over a
> cliff, with Telluride in the distance far below. As you make the first
left
> hand three point turn it gradually gets narrower as you cross the falls
and
> skirt the cliff face to approach the first, very narrow and tight
> switchback. The first four switchbacks are the toughest, by the time you
get
> to the fifth, which is a the road up to the powerhouse, the road become
much
> wider and two way. You're basically home free at that point.
>
> Re: full size ANYTHING on that trail, DON'T DO IT past the Pass itself.
> You'll be ok until you get to the turn above Ingram falls, but the four
> upper switchbacks aren't worth the risk, and you can't back out.
>
> FWIW, after the first switchback the next two can lull you a bit, but #4
is
> as tough as the first one to many of us.
>
> There's enough room for a standard width / wheelbase Jeep to get down, but
> it looks much more difficult than it is and quite unforgiving.
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:2ncutqFv8g3fU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > Given the recent news regarding Black Bear Pass I am wondering just how
> much
> > room is there for a jeep to get down?
> >
> > How much "maneuver" room is there?
> >
> > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blacke.jpg
> > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blackc.jpg
> > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/html/blkbear.html
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
>
>
08-05-2004, 01:34 AM
#27
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Re: Black Bear Pass - How much actual room?
I guess with my CJ7 it should be good though I won't be making that trip
anytime soon. I would need to put it in 4-low just so I can inch through
it.
With a CJ7 do you need to make the turn(s) in question in a 3-point fashion
or can you make the turn in one turn?
Also, a spotter is necessary?
Just curious, what would happen if a full size got pass the first switch
back and couldn't go further? What would they do?
Bill
"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:cesae8124dp@enews2.newsguy.com...
> Bill,
>
> The trail starts at Red Mountian Pass between Ouray and Silerton on Hwy
550.
> It is relatively easy to begin with, however starts to tighten up after
the
> pass itself, where it becomes one way (west towards Telluride). It becomes
> visually discoincerting, as you face directly down Ingram creek and over a
> cliff, with Telluride in the distance far below. As you make the first
left
> hand three point turn it gradually gets narrower as you cross the falls
and
> skirt the cliff face to approach the first, very narrow and tight
> switchback. The first four switchbacks are the toughest, by the time you
get
> to the fifth, which is a the road up to the powerhouse, the road become
much
> wider and two way. You're basically home free at that point.
>
> Re: full size ANYTHING on that trail, DON'T DO IT past the Pass itself.
> You'll be ok until you get to the turn above Ingram falls, but the four
> upper switchbacks aren't worth the risk, and you can't back out.
>
> FWIW, after the first switchback the next two can lull you a bit, but #4
is
> as tough as the first one to many of us.
>
> There's enough room for a standard width / wheelbase Jeep to get down, but
> it looks much more difficult than it is and quite unforgiving.
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:2ncutqFv8g3fU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > Given the recent news regarding Black Bear Pass I am wondering just how
> much
> > room is there for a jeep to get down?
> >
> > How much "maneuver" room is there?
> >
> > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blacke.jpg
> > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blackc.jpg
> > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/html/blkbear.html
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
>
>
anytime soon. I would need to put it in 4-low just so I can inch through
it.
With a CJ7 do you need to make the turn(s) in question in a 3-point fashion
or can you make the turn in one turn?
Also, a spotter is necessary?
Just curious, what would happen if a full size got pass the first switch
back and couldn't go further? What would they do?
Bill
"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:cesae8124dp@enews2.newsguy.com...
> Bill,
>
> The trail starts at Red Mountian Pass between Ouray and Silerton on Hwy
550.
> It is relatively easy to begin with, however starts to tighten up after
the
> pass itself, where it becomes one way (west towards Telluride). It becomes
> visually discoincerting, as you face directly down Ingram creek and over a
> cliff, with Telluride in the distance far below. As you make the first
left
> hand three point turn it gradually gets narrower as you cross the falls
and
> skirt the cliff face to approach the first, very narrow and tight
> switchback. The first four switchbacks are the toughest, by the time you
get
> to the fifth, which is a the road up to the powerhouse, the road become
much
> wider and two way. You're basically home free at that point.
>
> Re: full size ANYTHING on that trail, DON'T DO IT past the Pass itself.
> You'll be ok until you get to the turn above Ingram falls, but the four
> upper switchbacks aren't worth the risk, and you can't back out.
>
> FWIW, after the first switchback the next two can lull you a bit, but #4
is
> as tough as the first one to many of us.
>
> There's enough room for a standard width / wheelbase Jeep to get down, but
> it looks much more difficult than it is and quite unforgiving.
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:2ncutqFv8g3fU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > Given the recent news regarding Black Bear Pass I am wondering just how
> much
> > room is there for a jeep to get down?
> >
> > How much "maneuver" room is there?
> >
> > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blacke.jpg
> > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blackc.jpg
> > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/html/blkbear.html
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
>
>
08-05-2004, 01:34 AM
#28
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Black Bear Pass - How much actual room?
I guess with my CJ7 it should be good though I won't be making that trip
anytime soon. I would need to put it in 4-low just so I can inch through
it.
With a CJ7 do you need to make the turn(s) in question in a 3-point fashion
or can you make the turn in one turn?
Also, a spotter is necessary?
Just curious, what would happen if a full size got pass the first switch
back and couldn't go further? What would they do?
Bill
"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:cesae8124dp@enews2.newsguy.com...
> Bill,
>
> The trail starts at Red Mountian Pass between Ouray and Silerton on Hwy
550.
> It is relatively easy to begin with, however starts to tighten up after
the
> pass itself, where it becomes one way (west towards Telluride). It becomes
> visually discoincerting, as you face directly down Ingram creek and over a
> cliff, with Telluride in the distance far below. As you make the first
left
> hand three point turn it gradually gets narrower as you cross the falls
and
> skirt the cliff face to approach the first, very narrow and tight
> switchback. The first four switchbacks are the toughest, by the time you
get
> to the fifth, which is a the road up to the powerhouse, the road become
much
> wider and two way. You're basically home free at that point.
>
> Re: full size ANYTHING on that trail, DON'T DO IT past the Pass itself.
> You'll be ok until you get to the turn above Ingram falls, but the four
> upper switchbacks aren't worth the risk, and you can't back out.
>
> FWIW, after the first switchback the next two can lull you a bit, but #4
is
> as tough as the first one to many of us.
>
> There's enough room for a standard width / wheelbase Jeep to get down, but
> it looks much more difficult than it is and quite unforgiving.
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:2ncutqFv8g3fU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > Given the recent news regarding Black Bear Pass I am wondering just how
> much
> > room is there for a jeep to get down?
> >
> > How much "maneuver" room is there?
> >
> > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blacke.jpg
> > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blackc.jpg
> > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/html/blkbear.html
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
>
>
anytime soon. I would need to put it in 4-low just so I can inch through
it.
With a CJ7 do you need to make the turn(s) in question in a 3-point fashion
or can you make the turn in one turn?
Also, a spotter is necessary?
Just curious, what would happen if a full size got pass the first switch
back and couldn't go further? What would they do?
Bill
"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:cesae8124dp@enews2.newsguy.com...
> Bill,
>
> The trail starts at Red Mountian Pass between Ouray and Silerton on Hwy
550.
> It is relatively easy to begin with, however starts to tighten up after
the
> pass itself, where it becomes one way (west towards Telluride). It becomes
> visually discoincerting, as you face directly down Ingram creek and over a
> cliff, with Telluride in the distance far below. As you make the first
left
> hand three point turn it gradually gets narrower as you cross the falls
and
> skirt the cliff face to approach the first, very narrow and tight
> switchback. The first four switchbacks are the toughest, by the time you
get
> to the fifth, which is a the road up to the powerhouse, the road become
much
> wider and two way. You're basically home free at that point.
>
> Re: full size ANYTHING on that trail, DON'T DO IT past the Pass itself.
> You'll be ok until you get to the turn above Ingram falls, but the four
> upper switchbacks aren't worth the risk, and you can't back out.
>
> FWIW, after the first switchback the next two can lull you a bit, but #4
is
> as tough as the first one to many of us.
>
> There's enough room for a standard width / wheelbase Jeep to get down, but
> it looks much more difficult than it is and quite unforgiving.
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:2ncutqFv8g3fU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > Given the recent news regarding Black Bear Pass I am wondering just how
> much
> > room is there for a jeep to get down?
> >
> > How much "maneuver" room is there?
> >
> > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blacke.jpg
> > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blackc.jpg
> > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/html/blkbear.html
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
>
>
08-05-2004, 01:34 AM
#29
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Black Bear Pass - How much actual room?
I guess with my CJ7 it should be good though I won't be making that trip
anytime soon. I would need to put it in 4-low just so I can inch through
it.
With a CJ7 do you need to make the turn(s) in question in a 3-point fashion
or can you make the turn in one turn?
Also, a spotter is necessary?
Just curious, what would happen if a full size got pass the first switch
back and couldn't go further? What would they do?
Bill
"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:cesae8124dp@enews2.newsguy.com...
> Bill,
>
> The trail starts at Red Mountian Pass between Ouray and Silerton on Hwy
550.
> It is relatively easy to begin with, however starts to tighten up after
the
> pass itself, where it becomes one way (west towards Telluride). It becomes
> visually discoincerting, as you face directly down Ingram creek and over a
> cliff, with Telluride in the distance far below. As you make the first
left
> hand three point turn it gradually gets narrower as you cross the falls
and
> skirt the cliff face to approach the first, very narrow and tight
> switchback. The first four switchbacks are the toughest, by the time you
get
> to the fifth, which is a the road up to the powerhouse, the road become
much
> wider and two way. You're basically home free at that point.
>
> Re: full size ANYTHING on that trail, DON'T DO IT past the Pass itself.
> You'll be ok until you get to the turn above Ingram falls, but the four
> upper switchbacks aren't worth the risk, and you can't back out.
>
> FWIW, after the first switchback the next two can lull you a bit, but #4
is
> as tough as the first one to many of us.
>
> There's enough room for a standard width / wheelbase Jeep to get down, but
> it looks much more difficult than it is and quite unforgiving.
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:2ncutqFv8g3fU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > Given the recent news regarding Black Bear Pass I am wondering just how
> much
> > room is there for a jeep to get down?
> >
> > How much "maneuver" room is there?
> >
> > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blacke.jpg
> > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blackc.jpg
> > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/html/blkbear.html
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
>
>
anytime soon. I would need to put it in 4-low just so I can inch through
it.
With a CJ7 do you need to make the turn(s) in question in a 3-point fashion
or can you make the turn in one turn?
Also, a spotter is necessary?
Just curious, what would happen if a full size got pass the first switch
back and couldn't go further? What would they do?
Bill
"Jerry McG" <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:cesae8124dp@enews2.newsguy.com...
> Bill,
>
> The trail starts at Red Mountian Pass between Ouray and Silerton on Hwy
550.
> It is relatively easy to begin with, however starts to tighten up after
the
> pass itself, where it becomes one way (west towards Telluride). It becomes
> visually discoincerting, as you face directly down Ingram creek and over a
> cliff, with Telluride in the distance far below. As you make the first
left
> hand three point turn it gradually gets narrower as you cross the falls
and
> skirt the cliff face to approach the first, very narrow and tight
> switchback. The first four switchbacks are the toughest, by the time you
get
> to the fifth, which is a the road up to the powerhouse, the road become
much
> wider and two way. You're basically home free at that point.
>
> Re: full size ANYTHING on that trail, DON'T DO IT past the Pass itself.
> You'll be ok until you get to the turn above Ingram falls, but the four
> upper switchbacks aren't worth the risk, and you can't back out.
>
> FWIW, after the first switchback the next two can lull you a bit, but #4
is
> as tough as the first one to many of us.
>
> There's enough room for a standard width / wheelbase Jeep to get down, but
> it looks much more difficult than it is and quite unforgiving.
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:2ncutqFv8g3fU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > Given the recent news regarding Black Bear Pass I am wondering just how
> much
> > room is there for a jeep to get down?
> >
> > How much "maneuver" room is there?
> >
> > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blacke.jpg
> > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/image...ear/blackc.jpg
> > http://www.narrowgauge.org/4x4/html/blkbear.html
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
>
>
08-05-2004, 01:56 AM
#30
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Black Bear Pass - How much actual room?
Yup, I've done it myself, also from a place called the pit, where
the mined a type of purple body powered. It seems that after driving
vertical, that the Jeep will fall back straight down, but with timing,
it will fall forward on to the masa.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> During my Motocross days as a young whipper snapper, I was challenged to
> climb a nearly vertical cut-out by my friends. This was an area we called
> the pits where they dug out clay or something. Anyway it was a great place
> to get lift on an MX bike and practice. So this piece of land they
> challenged me on was like a wall of where they dug out. The top part needed
> to navigate (or squeeze) between a tree and a trunk and at the top there was
> a bump outward like a small ledge.
>
> Anyway, I couldn't believe myself that I did it. It must have been luck or
> momentum that carried me up, I don't know but I just attacked it and kept on
> going.
>
> Kinda goes along with your story below.
>
> Bill
the mined a type of purple body powered. It seems that after driving
vertical, that the Jeep will fall back straight down, but with timing,
it will fall forward on to the masa.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> During my Motocross days as a young whipper snapper, I was challenged to
> climb a nearly vertical cut-out by my friends. This was an area we called
> the pits where they dug out clay or something. Anyway it was a great place
> to get lift on an MX bike and practice. So this piece of land they
> challenged me on was like a wall of where they dug out. The top part needed
> to navigate (or squeeze) between a tree and a trunk and at the top there was
> a bump outward like a small ledge.
>
> Anyway, I couldn't believe myself that I did it. It must have been luck or
> momentum that carried me up, I don't know but I just attacked it and kept on
> going.
>
> Kinda goes along with your story below.
>
> Bill