BFG AT's or MT's better in snow?
04-21-2004, 03:28 AM
#121
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Posts: n/a
Re: BFG AT's or MT's better in snow?
Shops have demo units for almost everything else, why not tyres? It can be
a new marketing twist, try them before you buy them!
TW
"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
news:oeqdnQh9wKdOshjdRVn-uQ@magma.ca...
> LOL I know what you mean.
> I also need new tires
> Tires are like a good pair of hiking boots.
> And I like to try them on (boots) first
> to see how they look,fit and feel.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > Yes.
> >
> > I noticed a definite degradation in winter traction when we went from a
> > 225 to a 235 AT tire in our Cherokee. They were both 75 series.
> >
> > Same for a 'radical' increase in traction when I went from a 10.5" wide
> > tire to a 9.5 that measures 7.5"
> >
> > Too bad you can't go try out the tires before buying....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > TW wrote:
> >
> >>My stock 16" rims are 7" wide on a '01 TJ. According to your logic, I
> >>would be better off getting something like 235/85R16, instead of
265/75R16.
> >>Both these sizes are roughly equivalent to 32" tyres. I don't want to
go
> >>too high, but do want MTs. We mostly have mud, sand, dirt and grassy
> >>tracks. Very rarely do we see rocks in our region in New Zealand.
Snow is
> >>never heard off in Auckland.
> >>
> >>TW
> >>
> >>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>news:40851E07.EA3F7406@sympatico.ca...
> >>
> >>>Stock rims are either 7 or 8" wide, most are 7" including my CJ7
Laredo
> >>>rims. If you check your spare, the size is stamped on the inside face
> >>>of the rim.
> >>>
> >>>The folks with the 'pretty' wide tires off road always get a laugh at
my
> >>>tires. Only one laugh though, the rest of the day is spent with them
> >>>trying and trying and trying to get where I am sitting taking photos
of
> >>>them trying and trying, and...
> >>>
> >>>LOL!
> >>>
> >>>I have tons of photos posted at Sony's ImageStation I could post links
> >>>to. Sony did the typical bait and switch and now insists folks join
to
> >>>see my albums. At least they don't spam....
> >>>
> >>>The narrow tire doesn't spin. It has a 'lot' more psi on the ground
> >>>than say a 12.5" wide one, about 30% more.
> >>>
> >>>This means on mud or dirt or snow I leave a nice tread mark everywhere
I
> >>>go, not a rooster tail mark. The wide tires float on top and spin
out.
> >>>Once they hit too soft, the spinning tire just digs holes. My tire on
> >>>the other hand doesn't spin easy at all, so it doesn't dig holes
'easy'.
> >>>
> >>>In the winter on the road the difference is insane. With tires that
> >>>measure 10.5" at the tread, I could go no faster than about 40 mph on
> >>>the highway in 4x4. The tires got on top of the snow and the control
> >>>was gone any faster.
> >>>
> >>>With the 33x9.5's and their 7.5" tread, I can easily hold 55 mph in
4x4
> >>>with no control issues at all so I can keep up easy to the transport
> >>>trucks.
> >>>
> >>>It is a total myth that a wide tire is better off road. They only
look
> >>>pretty unless you get into 'real' flotation tires that are designed to
> >>>get up on top like the folks that wheel in Iceland use.
> >>>
> >>>When you go to a 'too wide for the vehicle' tire, you are going
strictly
> >>>for looks or maybe rock crawling where that wide tread has some use.
> >>>
> >>>On most trails, a stock width tire is 'way' better for traction. Next
> >>>time you get a chance, check out what the loggers that work out in the
> >>>bush have on their trucks. You will see tall skinny always. Same for
> >>>what the military used on Jeeps, tall skinny.
> >>>
> >>>Mike
> >>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>
>
a new marketing twist, try them before you buy them!
TW
"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
news:oeqdnQh9wKdOshjdRVn-uQ@magma.ca...
> LOL I know what you mean.
> I also need new tires
> Tires are like a good pair of hiking boots.
> And I like to try them on (boots) first
> to see how they look,fit and feel.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > Yes.
> >
> > I noticed a definite degradation in winter traction when we went from a
> > 225 to a 235 AT tire in our Cherokee. They were both 75 series.
> >
> > Same for a 'radical' increase in traction when I went from a 10.5" wide
> > tire to a 9.5 that measures 7.5"
> >
> > Too bad you can't go try out the tires before buying....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > TW wrote:
> >
> >>My stock 16" rims are 7" wide on a '01 TJ. According to your logic, I
> >>would be better off getting something like 235/85R16, instead of
265/75R16.
> >>Both these sizes are roughly equivalent to 32" tyres. I don't want to
go
> >>too high, but do want MTs. We mostly have mud, sand, dirt and grassy
> >>tracks. Very rarely do we see rocks in our region in New Zealand.
Snow is
> >>never heard off in Auckland.
> >>
> >>TW
> >>
> >>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>news:40851E07.EA3F7406@sympatico.ca...
> >>
> >>>Stock rims are either 7 or 8" wide, most are 7" including my CJ7
Laredo
> >>>rims. If you check your spare, the size is stamped on the inside face
> >>>of the rim.
> >>>
> >>>The folks with the 'pretty' wide tires off road always get a laugh at
my
> >>>tires. Only one laugh though, the rest of the day is spent with them
> >>>trying and trying and trying to get where I am sitting taking photos
of
> >>>them trying and trying, and...
> >>>
> >>>LOL!
> >>>
> >>>I have tons of photos posted at Sony's ImageStation I could post links
> >>>to. Sony did the typical bait and switch and now insists folks join
to
> >>>see my albums. At least they don't spam....
> >>>
> >>>The narrow tire doesn't spin. It has a 'lot' more psi on the ground
> >>>than say a 12.5" wide one, about 30% more.
> >>>
> >>>This means on mud or dirt or snow I leave a nice tread mark everywhere
I
> >>>go, not a rooster tail mark. The wide tires float on top and spin
out.
> >>>Once they hit too soft, the spinning tire just digs holes. My tire on
> >>>the other hand doesn't spin easy at all, so it doesn't dig holes
'easy'.
> >>>
> >>>In the winter on the road the difference is insane. With tires that
> >>>measure 10.5" at the tread, I could go no faster than about 40 mph on
> >>>the highway in 4x4. The tires got on top of the snow and the control
> >>>was gone any faster.
> >>>
> >>>With the 33x9.5's and their 7.5" tread, I can easily hold 55 mph in
4x4
> >>>with no control issues at all so I can keep up easy to the transport
> >>>trucks.
> >>>
> >>>It is a total myth that a wide tire is better off road. They only
look
> >>>pretty unless you get into 'real' flotation tires that are designed to
> >>>get up on top like the folks that wheel in Iceland use.
> >>>
> >>>When you go to a 'too wide for the vehicle' tire, you are going
strictly
> >>>for looks or maybe rock crawling where that wide tread has some use.
> >>>
> >>>On most trails, a stock width tire is 'way' better for traction. Next
> >>>time you get a chance, check out what the loggers that work out in the
> >>>bush have on their trucks. You will see tall skinny always. Same for
> >>>what the military used on Jeeps, tall skinny.
> >>>
> >>>Mike
> >>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>
>
04-21-2004, 03:41 AM
#122
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: BFG AT's or MT's better in snow?
Thanks for the info and links. I personally don't like the sand that much
because it gives a new meaning to sandwich at lunch time.
I'll go to tyre shop and see if I can have a look at one in 235/85R16 and
see how it compares to what I have (stock 225/70R16). TJ Renegades in New
Zealand (equivalent to Saharas in USA) come standard with 16" (5 on 4.5"
pattern) alloys. I have been divided between whether to go to 15" steel
rims or stick with 16" alloy rims. At this stage my philosophy is to
replace OEM parts with stronger/proper replacements as they break, which
they all will.
For some reason in New Zealand, all the tyre companies carry more metric
sizes. I guess it has something to do with New Zealand adopting metric
system in the 70s.
Local Goodyear corporate office has promised to import in NZ any tyres for
me that are available in US. Prices seem to be reasonable as well. What
do you guys think about Mickey Thompsons? The local importer was bragging
on big time at a local 4WD show recently. I am only absorbing info at this
stage.
TW
"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
news:Tpchc.24114$Np3.890485@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> For looks, go for 265/75R16. For performance, go for the 235/85R16. The
> 265/75 will protect your stock rims a bit better but cut down your
> turning radius a little more. The 235/85 will wear more evenly at the
> proper street PSI. The 235/85R16 will have generally better traction on
> wet roads, mud, and dirt. The 265/75 would probably be marginally better
> in sand. For true flotation effect, you'll have to go much wider.
>
> When I was shopping for tires I wanted to get the 33x9.50R15 MTs, but
> BFG stopped making them (still available in AT though). I was seriously
> considering their 235/85R16 MT, but I didn't want to go to 16" rims. I
> settled for 33x10.50R15 and I think they're great, but I'm sure that the
> traction of the narrower contact patch on the 235/85R16 would be that
> much better.
>
> Here's a TJ with 235/85R16 Goodyear MTR:
>
> http://www.ks-tuning.de/bilder/tj/InesTJ.jpg
>
> And a YJ with 265/75R16 BFG MT:
>
> http://www.ks-tuning.de/tj/felgen3.jpg
>
> By the way, what is the bolt pattern on your rims?
>
> Steve
>
because it gives a new meaning to sandwich at lunch time.
I'll go to tyre shop and see if I can have a look at one in 235/85R16 and
see how it compares to what I have (stock 225/70R16). TJ Renegades in New
Zealand (equivalent to Saharas in USA) come standard with 16" (5 on 4.5"
pattern) alloys. I have been divided between whether to go to 15" steel
rims or stick with 16" alloy rims. At this stage my philosophy is to
replace OEM parts with stronger/proper replacements as they break, which
they all will.
For some reason in New Zealand, all the tyre companies carry more metric
sizes. I guess it has something to do with New Zealand adopting metric
system in the 70s.
Local Goodyear corporate office has promised to import in NZ any tyres for
me that are available in US. Prices seem to be reasonable as well. What
do you guys think about Mickey Thompsons? The local importer was bragging
on big time at a local 4WD show recently. I am only absorbing info at this
stage.
TW
"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
news:Tpchc.24114$Np3.890485@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> For looks, go for 265/75R16. For performance, go for the 235/85R16. The
> 265/75 will protect your stock rims a bit better but cut down your
> turning radius a little more. The 235/85 will wear more evenly at the
> proper street PSI. The 235/85R16 will have generally better traction on
> wet roads, mud, and dirt. The 265/75 would probably be marginally better
> in sand. For true flotation effect, you'll have to go much wider.
>
> When I was shopping for tires I wanted to get the 33x9.50R15 MTs, but
> BFG stopped making them (still available in AT though). I was seriously
> considering their 235/85R16 MT, but I didn't want to go to 16" rims. I
> settled for 33x10.50R15 and I think they're great, but I'm sure that the
> traction of the narrower contact patch on the 235/85R16 would be that
> much better.
>
> Here's a TJ with 235/85R16 Goodyear MTR:
>
> http://www.ks-tuning.de/bilder/tj/InesTJ.jpg
>
> And a YJ with 265/75R16 BFG MT:
>
> http://www.ks-tuning.de/tj/felgen3.jpg
>
> By the way, what is the bolt pattern on your rims?
>
> Steve
>
04-21-2004, 03:41 AM
#123
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: BFG AT's or MT's better in snow?
Thanks for the info and links. I personally don't like the sand that much
because it gives a new meaning to sandwich at lunch time.
I'll go to tyre shop and see if I can have a look at one in 235/85R16 and
see how it compares to what I have (stock 225/70R16). TJ Renegades in New
Zealand (equivalent to Saharas in USA) come standard with 16" (5 on 4.5"
pattern) alloys. I have been divided between whether to go to 15" steel
rims or stick with 16" alloy rims. At this stage my philosophy is to
replace OEM parts with stronger/proper replacements as they break, which
they all will.
For some reason in New Zealand, all the tyre companies carry more metric
sizes. I guess it has something to do with New Zealand adopting metric
system in the 70s.
Local Goodyear corporate office has promised to import in NZ any tyres for
me that are available in US. Prices seem to be reasonable as well. What
do you guys think about Mickey Thompsons? The local importer was bragging
on big time at a local 4WD show recently. I am only absorbing info at this
stage.
TW
"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
news:Tpchc.24114$Np3.890485@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> For looks, go for 265/75R16. For performance, go for the 235/85R16. The
> 265/75 will protect your stock rims a bit better but cut down your
> turning radius a little more. The 235/85 will wear more evenly at the
> proper street PSI. The 235/85R16 will have generally better traction on
> wet roads, mud, and dirt. The 265/75 would probably be marginally better
> in sand. For true flotation effect, you'll have to go much wider.
>
> When I was shopping for tires I wanted to get the 33x9.50R15 MTs, but
> BFG stopped making them (still available in AT though). I was seriously
> considering their 235/85R16 MT, but I didn't want to go to 16" rims. I
> settled for 33x10.50R15 and I think they're great, but I'm sure that the
> traction of the narrower contact patch on the 235/85R16 would be that
> much better.
>
> Here's a TJ with 235/85R16 Goodyear MTR:
>
> http://www.ks-tuning.de/bilder/tj/InesTJ.jpg
>
> And a YJ with 265/75R16 BFG MT:
>
> http://www.ks-tuning.de/tj/felgen3.jpg
>
> By the way, what is the bolt pattern on your rims?
>
> Steve
>
because it gives a new meaning to sandwich at lunch time.
I'll go to tyre shop and see if I can have a look at one in 235/85R16 and
see how it compares to what I have (stock 225/70R16). TJ Renegades in New
Zealand (equivalent to Saharas in USA) come standard with 16" (5 on 4.5"
pattern) alloys. I have been divided between whether to go to 15" steel
rims or stick with 16" alloy rims. At this stage my philosophy is to
replace OEM parts with stronger/proper replacements as they break, which
they all will.
For some reason in New Zealand, all the tyre companies carry more metric
sizes. I guess it has something to do with New Zealand adopting metric
system in the 70s.
Local Goodyear corporate office has promised to import in NZ any tyres for
me that are available in US. Prices seem to be reasonable as well. What
do you guys think about Mickey Thompsons? The local importer was bragging
on big time at a local 4WD show recently. I am only absorbing info at this
stage.
TW
"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
news:Tpchc.24114$Np3.890485@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> For looks, go for 265/75R16. For performance, go for the 235/85R16. The
> 265/75 will protect your stock rims a bit better but cut down your
> turning radius a little more. The 235/85 will wear more evenly at the
> proper street PSI. The 235/85R16 will have generally better traction on
> wet roads, mud, and dirt. The 265/75 would probably be marginally better
> in sand. For true flotation effect, you'll have to go much wider.
>
> When I was shopping for tires I wanted to get the 33x9.50R15 MTs, but
> BFG stopped making them (still available in AT though). I was seriously
> considering their 235/85R16 MT, but I didn't want to go to 16" rims. I
> settled for 33x10.50R15 and I think they're great, but I'm sure that the
> traction of the narrower contact patch on the 235/85R16 would be that
> much better.
>
> Here's a TJ with 235/85R16 Goodyear MTR:
>
> http://www.ks-tuning.de/bilder/tj/InesTJ.jpg
>
> And a YJ with 265/75R16 BFG MT:
>
> http://www.ks-tuning.de/tj/felgen3.jpg
>
> By the way, what is the bolt pattern on your rims?
>
> Steve
>
04-21-2004, 03:41 AM
#124
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: BFG AT's or MT's better in snow?
Thanks for the info and links. I personally don't like the sand that much
because it gives a new meaning to sandwich at lunch time.
I'll go to tyre shop and see if I can have a look at one in 235/85R16 and
see how it compares to what I have (stock 225/70R16). TJ Renegades in New
Zealand (equivalent to Saharas in USA) come standard with 16" (5 on 4.5"
pattern) alloys. I have been divided between whether to go to 15" steel
rims or stick with 16" alloy rims. At this stage my philosophy is to
replace OEM parts with stronger/proper replacements as they break, which
they all will.
For some reason in New Zealand, all the tyre companies carry more metric
sizes. I guess it has something to do with New Zealand adopting metric
system in the 70s.
Local Goodyear corporate office has promised to import in NZ any tyres for
me that are available in US. Prices seem to be reasonable as well. What
do you guys think about Mickey Thompsons? The local importer was bragging
on big time at a local 4WD show recently. I am only absorbing info at this
stage.
TW
"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
news:Tpchc.24114$Np3.890485@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> For looks, go for 265/75R16. For performance, go for the 235/85R16. The
> 265/75 will protect your stock rims a bit better but cut down your
> turning radius a little more. The 235/85 will wear more evenly at the
> proper street PSI. The 235/85R16 will have generally better traction on
> wet roads, mud, and dirt. The 265/75 would probably be marginally better
> in sand. For true flotation effect, you'll have to go much wider.
>
> When I was shopping for tires I wanted to get the 33x9.50R15 MTs, but
> BFG stopped making them (still available in AT though). I was seriously
> considering their 235/85R16 MT, but I didn't want to go to 16" rims. I
> settled for 33x10.50R15 and I think they're great, but I'm sure that the
> traction of the narrower contact patch on the 235/85R16 would be that
> much better.
>
> Here's a TJ with 235/85R16 Goodyear MTR:
>
> http://www.ks-tuning.de/bilder/tj/InesTJ.jpg
>
> And a YJ with 265/75R16 BFG MT:
>
> http://www.ks-tuning.de/tj/felgen3.jpg
>
> By the way, what is the bolt pattern on your rims?
>
> Steve
>
because it gives a new meaning to sandwich at lunch time.
I'll go to tyre shop and see if I can have a look at one in 235/85R16 and
see how it compares to what I have (stock 225/70R16). TJ Renegades in New
Zealand (equivalent to Saharas in USA) come standard with 16" (5 on 4.5"
pattern) alloys. I have been divided between whether to go to 15" steel
rims or stick with 16" alloy rims. At this stage my philosophy is to
replace OEM parts with stronger/proper replacements as they break, which
they all will.
For some reason in New Zealand, all the tyre companies carry more metric
sizes. I guess it has something to do with New Zealand adopting metric
system in the 70s.
Local Goodyear corporate office has promised to import in NZ any tyres for
me that are available in US. Prices seem to be reasonable as well. What
do you guys think about Mickey Thompsons? The local importer was bragging
on big time at a local 4WD show recently. I am only absorbing info at this
stage.
TW
"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
news:Tpchc.24114$Np3.890485@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> For looks, go for 265/75R16. For performance, go for the 235/85R16. The
> 265/75 will protect your stock rims a bit better but cut down your
> turning radius a little more. The 235/85 will wear more evenly at the
> proper street PSI. The 235/85R16 will have generally better traction on
> wet roads, mud, and dirt. The 265/75 would probably be marginally better
> in sand. For true flotation effect, you'll have to go much wider.
>
> When I was shopping for tires I wanted to get the 33x9.50R15 MTs, but
> BFG stopped making them (still available in AT though). I was seriously
> considering their 235/85R16 MT, but I didn't want to go to 16" rims. I
> settled for 33x10.50R15 and I think they're great, but I'm sure that the
> traction of the narrower contact patch on the 235/85R16 would be that
> much better.
>
> Here's a TJ with 235/85R16 Goodyear MTR:
>
> http://www.ks-tuning.de/bilder/tj/InesTJ.jpg
>
> And a YJ with 265/75R16 BFG MT:
>
> http://www.ks-tuning.de/tj/felgen3.jpg
>
> By the way, what is the bolt pattern on your rims?
>
> Steve
>
04-21-2004, 03:41 AM
#125
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: BFG AT's or MT's better in snow?
Thanks for the info and links. I personally don't like the sand that much
because it gives a new meaning to sandwich at lunch time.
I'll go to tyre shop and see if I can have a look at one in 235/85R16 and
see how it compares to what I have (stock 225/70R16). TJ Renegades in New
Zealand (equivalent to Saharas in USA) come standard with 16" (5 on 4.5"
pattern) alloys. I have been divided between whether to go to 15" steel
rims or stick with 16" alloy rims. At this stage my philosophy is to
replace OEM parts with stronger/proper replacements as they break, which
they all will.
For some reason in New Zealand, all the tyre companies carry more metric
sizes. I guess it has something to do with New Zealand adopting metric
system in the 70s.
Local Goodyear corporate office has promised to import in NZ any tyres for
me that are available in US. Prices seem to be reasonable as well. What
do you guys think about Mickey Thompsons? The local importer was bragging
on big time at a local 4WD show recently. I am only absorbing info at this
stage.
TW
"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
news:Tpchc.24114$Np3.890485@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> For looks, go for 265/75R16. For performance, go for the 235/85R16. The
> 265/75 will protect your stock rims a bit better but cut down your
> turning radius a little more. The 235/85 will wear more evenly at the
> proper street PSI. The 235/85R16 will have generally better traction on
> wet roads, mud, and dirt. The 265/75 would probably be marginally better
> in sand. For true flotation effect, you'll have to go much wider.
>
> When I was shopping for tires I wanted to get the 33x9.50R15 MTs, but
> BFG stopped making them (still available in AT though). I was seriously
> considering their 235/85R16 MT, but I didn't want to go to 16" rims. I
> settled for 33x10.50R15 and I think they're great, but I'm sure that the
> traction of the narrower contact patch on the 235/85R16 would be that
> much better.
>
> Here's a TJ with 235/85R16 Goodyear MTR:
>
> http://www.ks-tuning.de/bilder/tj/InesTJ.jpg
>
> And a YJ with 265/75R16 BFG MT:
>
> http://www.ks-tuning.de/tj/felgen3.jpg
>
> By the way, what is the bolt pattern on your rims?
>
> Steve
>
because it gives a new meaning to sandwich at lunch time.
I'll go to tyre shop and see if I can have a look at one in 235/85R16 and
see how it compares to what I have (stock 225/70R16). TJ Renegades in New
Zealand (equivalent to Saharas in USA) come standard with 16" (5 on 4.5"
pattern) alloys. I have been divided between whether to go to 15" steel
rims or stick with 16" alloy rims. At this stage my philosophy is to
replace OEM parts with stronger/proper replacements as they break, which
they all will.
For some reason in New Zealand, all the tyre companies carry more metric
sizes. I guess it has something to do with New Zealand adopting metric
system in the 70s.
Local Goodyear corporate office has promised to import in NZ any tyres for
me that are available in US. Prices seem to be reasonable as well. What
do you guys think about Mickey Thompsons? The local importer was bragging
on big time at a local 4WD show recently. I am only absorbing info at this
stage.
TW
"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
news:Tpchc.24114$Np3.890485@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> For looks, go for 265/75R16. For performance, go for the 235/85R16. The
> 265/75 will protect your stock rims a bit better but cut down your
> turning radius a little more. The 235/85 will wear more evenly at the
> proper street PSI. The 235/85R16 will have generally better traction on
> wet roads, mud, and dirt. The 265/75 would probably be marginally better
> in sand. For true flotation effect, you'll have to go much wider.
>
> When I was shopping for tires I wanted to get the 33x9.50R15 MTs, but
> BFG stopped making them (still available in AT though). I was seriously
> considering their 235/85R16 MT, but I didn't want to go to 16" rims. I
> settled for 33x10.50R15 and I think they're great, but I'm sure that the
> traction of the narrower contact patch on the 235/85R16 would be that
> much better.
>
> Here's a TJ with 235/85R16 Goodyear MTR:
>
> http://www.ks-tuning.de/bilder/tj/InesTJ.jpg
>
> And a YJ with 265/75R16 BFG MT:
>
> http://www.ks-tuning.de/tj/felgen3.jpg
>
> By the way, what is the bolt pattern on your rims?
>
> Steve
>
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