BFG AT's or MT's better in snow?
#111
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Re: BFG AT's or MT's better in snow?
For looks, go for 265/75R16. For performance, go for the 235/85R16. The
265/75 will protect your stock rims a bit better but cut down your
turning radius a little more. The 235/85 will wear more evenly at the
proper street PSI. The 235/85R16 will have generally better traction on
wet roads, mud, and dirt. The 265/75 would probably be marginally better
in sand. For true flotation effect, you'll have to go much wider.
When I was shopping for tires I wanted to get the 33x9.50R15 MTs, but
BFG stopped making them (still available in AT though). I was seriously
considering their 235/85R16 MT, but I didn't want to go to 16" rims. I
settled for 33x10.50R15 and I think they're great, but I'm sure that the
traction of the narrower contact patch on the 235/85R16 would be that
much better.
Here's a TJ with 235/85R16 Goodyear MTR:
http://www.ks-tuning.de/bilder/tj/InesTJ.jpg
And a YJ with 265/75R16 BFG MT:
http://www.ks-tuning.de/tj/felgen3.jpg
By the way, what is the bolt pattern on your rims?
Steve
TW wrote:
> My stock 16" rims are 7" wide on a '01 TJ. According to your logic, I
> would be better off getting something like 235/85R16, instead of 265/75R16.
> Both these sizes are roughly equivalent to 32" tyres. I don't want to go
> too high, but do want MTs. We mostly have mud, sand, dirt and grassy
> tracks. Very rarely do we see rocks in our region in New Zealand. Snow is
> never heard off in Auckland.
>
> TW
>
265/75 will protect your stock rims a bit better but cut down your
turning radius a little more. The 235/85 will wear more evenly at the
proper street PSI. The 235/85R16 will have generally better traction on
wet roads, mud, and dirt. The 265/75 would probably be marginally better
in sand. For true flotation effect, you'll have to go much wider.
When I was shopping for tires I wanted to get the 33x9.50R15 MTs, but
BFG stopped making them (still available in AT though). I was seriously
considering their 235/85R16 MT, but I didn't want to go to 16" rims. I
settled for 33x10.50R15 and I think they're great, but I'm sure that the
traction of the narrower contact patch on the 235/85R16 would be that
much better.
Here's a TJ with 235/85R16 Goodyear MTR:
http://www.ks-tuning.de/bilder/tj/InesTJ.jpg
And a YJ with 265/75R16 BFG MT:
http://www.ks-tuning.de/tj/felgen3.jpg
By the way, what is the bolt pattern on your rims?
Steve
TW wrote:
> My stock 16" rims are 7" wide on a '01 TJ. According to your logic, I
> would be better off getting something like 235/85R16, instead of 265/75R16.
> Both these sizes are roughly equivalent to 32" tyres. I don't want to go
> too high, but do want MTs. We mostly have mud, sand, dirt and grassy
> tracks. Very rarely do we see rocks in our region in New Zealand. Snow is
> never heard off in Auckland.
>
> TW
>
#112
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Posts: n/a
Re: BFG AT's or MT's better in snow?
For looks, go for 265/75R16. For performance, go for the 235/85R16. The
265/75 will protect your stock rims a bit better but cut down your
turning radius a little more. The 235/85 will wear more evenly at the
proper street PSI. The 235/85R16 will have generally better traction on
wet roads, mud, and dirt. The 265/75 would probably be marginally better
in sand. For true flotation effect, you'll have to go much wider.
When I was shopping for tires I wanted to get the 33x9.50R15 MTs, but
BFG stopped making them (still available in AT though). I was seriously
considering their 235/85R16 MT, but I didn't want to go to 16" rims. I
settled for 33x10.50R15 and I think they're great, but I'm sure that the
traction of the narrower contact patch on the 235/85R16 would be that
much better.
Here's a TJ with 235/85R16 Goodyear MTR:
http://www.ks-tuning.de/bilder/tj/InesTJ.jpg
And a YJ with 265/75R16 BFG MT:
http://www.ks-tuning.de/tj/felgen3.jpg
By the way, what is the bolt pattern on your rims?
Steve
TW wrote:
> My stock 16" rims are 7" wide on a '01 TJ. According to your logic, I
> would be better off getting something like 235/85R16, instead of 265/75R16.
> Both these sizes are roughly equivalent to 32" tyres. I don't want to go
> too high, but do want MTs. We mostly have mud, sand, dirt and grassy
> tracks. Very rarely do we see rocks in our region in New Zealand. Snow is
> never heard off in Auckland.
>
> TW
>
265/75 will protect your stock rims a bit better but cut down your
turning radius a little more. The 235/85 will wear more evenly at the
proper street PSI. The 235/85R16 will have generally better traction on
wet roads, mud, and dirt. The 265/75 would probably be marginally better
in sand. For true flotation effect, you'll have to go much wider.
When I was shopping for tires I wanted to get the 33x9.50R15 MTs, but
BFG stopped making them (still available in AT though). I was seriously
considering their 235/85R16 MT, but I didn't want to go to 16" rims. I
settled for 33x10.50R15 and I think they're great, but I'm sure that the
traction of the narrower contact patch on the 235/85R16 would be that
much better.
Here's a TJ with 235/85R16 Goodyear MTR:
http://www.ks-tuning.de/bilder/tj/InesTJ.jpg
And a YJ with 265/75R16 BFG MT:
http://www.ks-tuning.de/tj/felgen3.jpg
By the way, what is the bolt pattern on your rims?
Steve
TW wrote:
> My stock 16" rims are 7" wide on a '01 TJ. According to your logic, I
> would be better off getting something like 235/85R16, instead of 265/75R16.
> Both these sizes are roughly equivalent to 32" tyres. I don't want to go
> too high, but do want MTs. We mostly have mud, sand, dirt and grassy
> tracks. Very rarely do we see rocks in our region in New Zealand. Snow is
> never heard off in Auckland.
>
> TW
>
#113
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Posts: n/a
Re: BFG AT's or MT's better in snow?
For looks, go for 265/75R16. For performance, go for the 235/85R16. The
265/75 will protect your stock rims a bit better but cut down your
turning radius a little more. The 235/85 will wear more evenly at the
proper street PSI. The 235/85R16 will have generally better traction on
wet roads, mud, and dirt. The 265/75 would probably be marginally better
in sand. For true flotation effect, you'll have to go much wider.
When I was shopping for tires I wanted to get the 33x9.50R15 MTs, but
BFG stopped making them (still available in AT though). I was seriously
considering their 235/85R16 MT, but I didn't want to go to 16" rims. I
settled for 33x10.50R15 and I think they're great, but I'm sure that the
traction of the narrower contact patch on the 235/85R16 would be that
much better.
Here's a TJ with 235/85R16 Goodyear MTR:
http://www.ks-tuning.de/bilder/tj/InesTJ.jpg
And a YJ with 265/75R16 BFG MT:
http://www.ks-tuning.de/tj/felgen3.jpg
By the way, what is the bolt pattern on your rims?
Steve
TW wrote:
> My stock 16" rims are 7" wide on a '01 TJ. According to your logic, I
> would be better off getting something like 235/85R16, instead of 265/75R16.
> Both these sizes are roughly equivalent to 32" tyres. I don't want to go
> too high, but do want MTs. We mostly have mud, sand, dirt and grassy
> tracks. Very rarely do we see rocks in our region in New Zealand. Snow is
> never heard off in Auckland.
>
> TW
>
265/75 will protect your stock rims a bit better but cut down your
turning radius a little more. The 235/85 will wear more evenly at the
proper street PSI. The 235/85R16 will have generally better traction on
wet roads, mud, and dirt. The 265/75 would probably be marginally better
in sand. For true flotation effect, you'll have to go much wider.
When I was shopping for tires I wanted to get the 33x9.50R15 MTs, but
BFG stopped making them (still available in AT though). I was seriously
considering their 235/85R16 MT, but I didn't want to go to 16" rims. I
settled for 33x10.50R15 and I think they're great, but I'm sure that the
traction of the narrower contact patch on the 235/85R16 would be that
much better.
Here's a TJ with 235/85R16 Goodyear MTR:
http://www.ks-tuning.de/bilder/tj/InesTJ.jpg
And a YJ with 265/75R16 BFG MT:
http://www.ks-tuning.de/tj/felgen3.jpg
By the way, what is the bolt pattern on your rims?
Steve
TW wrote:
> My stock 16" rims are 7" wide on a '01 TJ. According to your logic, I
> would be better off getting something like 235/85R16, instead of 265/75R16.
> Both these sizes are roughly equivalent to 32" tyres. I don't want to go
> too high, but do want MTs. We mostly have mud, sand, dirt and grassy
> tracks. Very rarely do we see rocks in our region in New Zealand. Snow is
> never heard off in Auckland.
>
> TW
>
#114
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Re: BFG AT's or MT's better in snow?
Great, now I have found a size I should aim, rather save, for. I'll try
the local Jeep dealer to see if they have a TJ with this tyre size for
looks and a little drive around.
Thanks
TW
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40852B40.C4B9F39C@sympatico.ca...
> Yes.
>
> I noticed a definite degradation in winter traction when we went from a
> 225 to a 235 AT tire in our Cherokee. They were both 75 series.
>
> Same for a 'radical' increase in traction when I went from a 10.5" wide
> tire to a 9.5 that measures 7.5"
>
> Too bad you can't go try out the tires before buying....
>
> Mike
>
#115
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Posts: n/a
Re: BFG AT's or MT's better in snow?
Great, now I have found a size I should aim, rather save, for. I'll try
the local Jeep dealer to see if they have a TJ with this tyre size for
looks and a little drive around.
Thanks
TW
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40852B40.C4B9F39C@sympatico.ca...
> Yes.
>
> I noticed a definite degradation in winter traction when we went from a
> 225 to a 235 AT tire in our Cherokee. They were both 75 series.
>
> Same for a 'radical' increase in traction when I went from a 10.5" wide
> tire to a 9.5 that measures 7.5"
>
> Too bad you can't go try out the tires before buying....
>
> Mike
>
#116
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Posts: n/a
Re: BFG AT's or MT's better in snow?
Great, now I have found a size I should aim, rather save, for. I'll try
the local Jeep dealer to see if they have a TJ with this tyre size for
looks and a little drive around.
Thanks
TW
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40852B40.C4B9F39C@sympatico.ca...
> Yes.
>
> I noticed a definite degradation in winter traction when we went from a
> 225 to a 235 AT tire in our Cherokee. They were both 75 series.
>
> Same for a 'radical' increase in traction when I went from a 10.5" wide
> tire to a 9.5 that measures 7.5"
>
> Too bad you can't go try out the tires before buying....
>
> Mike
>
#117
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Posts: n/a
Re: BFG AT's or MT's better in snow?
Great, now I have found a size I should aim, rather save, for. I'll try
the local Jeep dealer to see if they have a TJ with this tyre size for
looks and a little drive around.
Thanks
TW
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40852B40.C4B9F39C@sympatico.ca...
> Yes.
>
> I noticed a definite degradation in winter traction when we went from a
> 225 to a 235 AT tire in our Cherokee. They were both 75 series.
>
> Same for a 'radical' increase in traction when I went from a 10.5" wide
> tire to a 9.5 that measures 7.5"
>
> Too bad you can't go try out the tires before buying....
>
> Mike
>
#118
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Re: BFG AT's or MT's better in snow?
Shops have demo units for almost everything else, why not tyres? It can be
a new marketing twist, try them before you buy them!
TW
"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
news:oeqdnQh9wKdOshjdRVn-uQ@magma.ca...
> LOL I know what you mean.
> I also need new tires
> Tires are like a good pair of hiking boots.
> And I like to try them on (boots) first
> to see how they look,fit and feel.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > Yes.
> >
> > I noticed a definite degradation in winter traction when we went from a
> > 225 to a 235 AT tire in our Cherokee. They were both 75 series.
> >
> > Same for a 'radical' increase in traction when I went from a 10.5" wide
> > tire to a 9.5 that measures 7.5"
> >
> > Too bad you can't go try out the tires before buying....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > TW wrote:
> >
> >>My stock 16" rims are 7" wide on a '01 TJ. According to your logic, I
> >>would be better off getting something like 235/85R16, instead of
265/75R16.
> >>Both these sizes are roughly equivalent to 32" tyres. I don't want to
go
> >>too high, but do want MTs. We mostly have mud, sand, dirt and grassy
> >>tracks. Very rarely do we see rocks in our region in New Zealand.
Snow is
> >>never heard off in Auckland.
> >>
> >>TW
> >>
> >>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>news:40851E07.EA3F7406@sympatico.ca...
> >>
> >>>Stock rims are either 7 or 8" wide, most are 7" including my CJ7
Laredo
> >>>rims. If you check your spare, the size is stamped on the inside face
> >>>of the rim.
> >>>
> >>>The folks with the 'pretty' wide tires off road always get a laugh at
my
> >>>tires. Only one laugh though, the rest of the day is spent with them
> >>>trying and trying and trying to get where I am sitting taking photos
of
> >>>them trying and trying, and...
> >>>
> >>>LOL!
> >>>
> >>>I have tons of photos posted at Sony's ImageStation I could post links
> >>>to. Sony did the typical bait and switch and now insists folks join
to
> >>>see my albums. At least they don't spam....
> >>>
> >>>The narrow tire doesn't spin. It has a 'lot' more psi on the ground
> >>>than say a 12.5" wide one, about 30% more.
> >>>
> >>>This means on mud or dirt or snow I leave a nice tread mark everywhere
I
> >>>go, not a rooster tail mark. The wide tires float on top and spin
out.
> >>>Once they hit too soft, the spinning tire just digs holes. My tire on
> >>>the other hand doesn't spin easy at all, so it doesn't dig holes
'easy'.
> >>>
> >>>In the winter on the road the difference is insane. With tires that
> >>>measure 10.5" at the tread, I could go no faster than about 40 mph on
> >>>the highway in 4x4. The tires got on top of the snow and the control
> >>>was gone any faster.
> >>>
> >>>With the 33x9.5's and their 7.5" tread, I can easily hold 55 mph in
4x4
> >>>with no control issues at all so I can keep up easy to the transport
> >>>trucks.
> >>>
> >>>It is a total myth that a wide tire is better off road. They only
look
> >>>pretty unless you get into 'real' flotation tires that are designed to
> >>>get up on top like the folks that wheel in Iceland use.
> >>>
> >>>When you go to a 'too wide for the vehicle' tire, you are going
strictly
> >>>for looks or maybe rock crawling where that wide tread has some use.
> >>>
> >>>On most trails, a stock width tire is 'way' better for traction. Next
> >>>time you get a chance, check out what the loggers that work out in the
> >>>bush have on their trucks. You will see tall skinny always. Same for
> >>>what the military used on Jeeps, tall skinny.
> >>>
> >>>Mike
> >>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>
>
a new marketing twist, try them before you buy them!
TW
"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
news:oeqdnQh9wKdOshjdRVn-uQ@magma.ca...
> LOL I know what you mean.
> I also need new tires
> Tires are like a good pair of hiking boots.
> And I like to try them on (boots) first
> to see how they look,fit and feel.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > Yes.
> >
> > I noticed a definite degradation in winter traction when we went from a
> > 225 to a 235 AT tire in our Cherokee. They were both 75 series.
> >
> > Same for a 'radical' increase in traction when I went from a 10.5" wide
> > tire to a 9.5 that measures 7.5"
> >
> > Too bad you can't go try out the tires before buying....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > TW wrote:
> >
> >>My stock 16" rims are 7" wide on a '01 TJ. According to your logic, I
> >>would be better off getting something like 235/85R16, instead of
265/75R16.
> >>Both these sizes are roughly equivalent to 32" tyres. I don't want to
go
> >>too high, but do want MTs. We mostly have mud, sand, dirt and grassy
> >>tracks. Very rarely do we see rocks in our region in New Zealand.
Snow is
> >>never heard off in Auckland.
> >>
> >>TW
> >>
> >>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>news:40851E07.EA3F7406@sympatico.ca...
> >>
> >>>Stock rims are either 7 or 8" wide, most are 7" including my CJ7
Laredo
> >>>rims. If you check your spare, the size is stamped on the inside face
> >>>of the rim.
> >>>
> >>>The folks with the 'pretty' wide tires off road always get a laugh at
my
> >>>tires. Only one laugh though, the rest of the day is spent with them
> >>>trying and trying and trying to get where I am sitting taking photos
of
> >>>them trying and trying, and...
> >>>
> >>>LOL!
> >>>
> >>>I have tons of photos posted at Sony's ImageStation I could post links
> >>>to. Sony did the typical bait and switch and now insists folks join
to
> >>>see my albums. At least they don't spam....
> >>>
> >>>The narrow tire doesn't spin. It has a 'lot' more psi on the ground
> >>>than say a 12.5" wide one, about 30% more.
> >>>
> >>>This means on mud or dirt or snow I leave a nice tread mark everywhere
I
> >>>go, not a rooster tail mark. The wide tires float on top and spin
out.
> >>>Once they hit too soft, the spinning tire just digs holes. My tire on
> >>>the other hand doesn't spin easy at all, so it doesn't dig holes
'easy'.
> >>>
> >>>In the winter on the road the difference is insane. With tires that
> >>>measure 10.5" at the tread, I could go no faster than about 40 mph on
> >>>the highway in 4x4. The tires got on top of the snow and the control
> >>>was gone any faster.
> >>>
> >>>With the 33x9.5's and their 7.5" tread, I can easily hold 55 mph in
4x4
> >>>with no control issues at all so I can keep up easy to the transport
> >>>trucks.
> >>>
> >>>It is a total myth that a wide tire is better off road. They only
look
> >>>pretty unless you get into 'real' flotation tires that are designed to
> >>>get up on top like the folks that wheel in Iceland use.
> >>>
> >>>When you go to a 'too wide for the vehicle' tire, you are going
strictly
> >>>for looks or maybe rock crawling where that wide tread has some use.
> >>>
> >>>On most trails, a stock width tire is 'way' better for traction. Next
> >>>time you get a chance, check out what the loggers that work out in the
> >>>bush have on their trucks. You will see tall skinny always. Same for
> >>>what the military used on Jeeps, tall skinny.
> >>>
> >>>Mike
> >>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>
>
#119
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: BFG AT's or MT's better in snow?
Shops have demo units for almost everything else, why not tyres? It can be
a new marketing twist, try them before you buy them!
TW
"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
news:oeqdnQh9wKdOshjdRVn-uQ@magma.ca...
> LOL I know what you mean.
> I also need new tires
> Tires are like a good pair of hiking boots.
> And I like to try them on (boots) first
> to see how they look,fit and feel.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > Yes.
> >
> > I noticed a definite degradation in winter traction when we went from a
> > 225 to a 235 AT tire in our Cherokee. They were both 75 series.
> >
> > Same for a 'radical' increase in traction when I went from a 10.5" wide
> > tire to a 9.5 that measures 7.5"
> >
> > Too bad you can't go try out the tires before buying....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > TW wrote:
> >
> >>My stock 16" rims are 7" wide on a '01 TJ. According to your logic, I
> >>would be better off getting something like 235/85R16, instead of
265/75R16.
> >>Both these sizes are roughly equivalent to 32" tyres. I don't want to
go
> >>too high, but do want MTs. We mostly have mud, sand, dirt and grassy
> >>tracks. Very rarely do we see rocks in our region in New Zealand.
Snow is
> >>never heard off in Auckland.
> >>
> >>TW
> >>
> >>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>news:40851E07.EA3F7406@sympatico.ca...
> >>
> >>>Stock rims are either 7 or 8" wide, most are 7" including my CJ7
Laredo
> >>>rims. If you check your spare, the size is stamped on the inside face
> >>>of the rim.
> >>>
> >>>The folks with the 'pretty' wide tires off road always get a laugh at
my
> >>>tires. Only one laugh though, the rest of the day is spent with them
> >>>trying and trying and trying to get where I am sitting taking photos
of
> >>>them trying and trying, and...
> >>>
> >>>LOL!
> >>>
> >>>I have tons of photos posted at Sony's ImageStation I could post links
> >>>to. Sony did the typical bait and switch and now insists folks join
to
> >>>see my albums. At least they don't spam....
> >>>
> >>>The narrow tire doesn't spin. It has a 'lot' more psi on the ground
> >>>than say a 12.5" wide one, about 30% more.
> >>>
> >>>This means on mud or dirt or snow I leave a nice tread mark everywhere
I
> >>>go, not a rooster tail mark. The wide tires float on top and spin
out.
> >>>Once they hit too soft, the spinning tire just digs holes. My tire on
> >>>the other hand doesn't spin easy at all, so it doesn't dig holes
'easy'.
> >>>
> >>>In the winter on the road the difference is insane. With tires that
> >>>measure 10.5" at the tread, I could go no faster than about 40 mph on
> >>>the highway in 4x4. The tires got on top of the snow and the control
> >>>was gone any faster.
> >>>
> >>>With the 33x9.5's and their 7.5" tread, I can easily hold 55 mph in
4x4
> >>>with no control issues at all so I can keep up easy to the transport
> >>>trucks.
> >>>
> >>>It is a total myth that a wide tire is better off road. They only
look
> >>>pretty unless you get into 'real' flotation tires that are designed to
> >>>get up on top like the folks that wheel in Iceland use.
> >>>
> >>>When you go to a 'too wide for the vehicle' tire, you are going
strictly
> >>>for looks or maybe rock crawling where that wide tread has some use.
> >>>
> >>>On most trails, a stock width tire is 'way' better for traction. Next
> >>>time you get a chance, check out what the loggers that work out in the
> >>>bush have on their trucks. You will see tall skinny always. Same for
> >>>what the military used on Jeeps, tall skinny.
> >>>
> >>>Mike
> >>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>
>
a new marketing twist, try them before you buy them!
TW
"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
news:oeqdnQh9wKdOshjdRVn-uQ@magma.ca...
> LOL I know what you mean.
> I also need new tires
> Tires are like a good pair of hiking boots.
> And I like to try them on (boots) first
> to see how they look,fit and feel.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > Yes.
> >
> > I noticed a definite degradation in winter traction when we went from a
> > 225 to a 235 AT tire in our Cherokee. They were both 75 series.
> >
> > Same for a 'radical' increase in traction when I went from a 10.5" wide
> > tire to a 9.5 that measures 7.5"
> >
> > Too bad you can't go try out the tires before buying....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > TW wrote:
> >
> >>My stock 16" rims are 7" wide on a '01 TJ. According to your logic, I
> >>would be better off getting something like 235/85R16, instead of
265/75R16.
> >>Both these sizes are roughly equivalent to 32" tyres. I don't want to
go
> >>too high, but do want MTs. We mostly have mud, sand, dirt and grassy
> >>tracks. Very rarely do we see rocks in our region in New Zealand.
Snow is
> >>never heard off in Auckland.
> >>
> >>TW
> >>
> >>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>news:40851E07.EA3F7406@sympatico.ca...
> >>
> >>>Stock rims are either 7 or 8" wide, most are 7" including my CJ7
Laredo
> >>>rims. If you check your spare, the size is stamped on the inside face
> >>>of the rim.
> >>>
> >>>The folks with the 'pretty' wide tires off road always get a laugh at
my
> >>>tires. Only one laugh though, the rest of the day is spent with them
> >>>trying and trying and trying to get where I am sitting taking photos
of
> >>>them trying and trying, and...
> >>>
> >>>LOL!
> >>>
> >>>I have tons of photos posted at Sony's ImageStation I could post links
> >>>to. Sony did the typical bait and switch and now insists folks join
to
> >>>see my albums. At least they don't spam....
> >>>
> >>>The narrow tire doesn't spin. It has a 'lot' more psi on the ground
> >>>than say a 12.5" wide one, about 30% more.
> >>>
> >>>This means on mud or dirt or snow I leave a nice tread mark everywhere
I
> >>>go, not a rooster tail mark. The wide tires float on top and spin
out.
> >>>Once they hit too soft, the spinning tire just digs holes. My tire on
> >>>the other hand doesn't spin easy at all, so it doesn't dig holes
'easy'.
> >>>
> >>>In the winter on the road the difference is insane. With tires that
> >>>measure 10.5" at the tread, I could go no faster than about 40 mph on
> >>>the highway in 4x4. The tires got on top of the snow and the control
> >>>was gone any faster.
> >>>
> >>>With the 33x9.5's and their 7.5" tread, I can easily hold 55 mph in
4x4
> >>>with no control issues at all so I can keep up easy to the transport
> >>>trucks.
> >>>
> >>>It is a total myth that a wide tire is better off road. They only
look
> >>>pretty unless you get into 'real' flotation tires that are designed to
> >>>get up on top like the folks that wheel in Iceland use.
> >>>
> >>>When you go to a 'too wide for the vehicle' tire, you are going
strictly
> >>>for looks or maybe rock crawling where that wide tread has some use.
> >>>
> >>>On most trails, a stock width tire is 'way' better for traction. Next
> >>>time you get a chance, check out what the loggers that work out in the
> >>>bush have on their trucks. You will see tall skinny always. Same for
> >>>what the military used on Jeeps, tall skinny.
> >>>
> >>>Mike
> >>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>
>
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Re: BFG AT's or MT's better in snow?
Shops have demo units for almost everything else, why not tyres? It can be
a new marketing twist, try them before you buy them!
TW
"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
news:oeqdnQh9wKdOshjdRVn-uQ@magma.ca...
> LOL I know what you mean.
> I also need new tires
> Tires are like a good pair of hiking boots.
> And I like to try them on (boots) first
> to see how they look,fit and feel.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > Yes.
> >
> > I noticed a definite degradation in winter traction when we went from a
> > 225 to a 235 AT tire in our Cherokee. They were both 75 series.
> >
> > Same for a 'radical' increase in traction when I went from a 10.5" wide
> > tire to a 9.5 that measures 7.5"
> >
> > Too bad you can't go try out the tires before buying....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > TW wrote:
> >
> >>My stock 16" rims are 7" wide on a '01 TJ. According to your logic, I
> >>would be better off getting something like 235/85R16, instead of
265/75R16.
> >>Both these sizes are roughly equivalent to 32" tyres. I don't want to
go
> >>too high, but do want MTs. We mostly have mud, sand, dirt and grassy
> >>tracks. Very rarely do we see rocks in our region in New Zealand.
Snow is
> >>never heard off in Auckland.
> >>
> >>TW
> >>
> >>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>news:40851E07.EA3F7406@sympatico.ca...
> >>
> >>>Stock rims are either 7 or 8" wide, most are 7" including my CJ7
Laredo
> >>>rims. If you check your spare, the size is stamped on the inside face
> >>>of the rim.
> >>>
> >>>The folks with the 'pretty' wide tires off road always get a laugh at
my
> >>>tires. Only one laugh though, the rest of the day is spent with them
> >>>trying and trying and trying to get where I am sitting taking photos
of
> >>>them trying and trying, and...
> >>>
> >>>LOL!
> >>>
> >>>I have tons of photos posted at Sony's ImageStation I could post links
> >>>to. Sony did the typical bait and switch and now insists folks join
to
> >>>see my albums. At least they don't spam....
> >>>
> >>>The narrow tire doesn't spin. It has a 'lot' more psi on the ground
> >>>than say a 12.5" wide one, about 30% more.
> >>>
> >>>This means on mud or dirt or snow I leave a nice tread mark everywhere
I
> >>>go, not a rooster tail mark. The wide tires float on top and spin
out.
> >>>Once they hit too soft, the spinning tire just digs holes. My tire on
> >>>the other hand doesn't spin easy at all, so it doesn't dig holes
'easy'.
> >>>
> >>>In the winter on the road the difference is insane. With tires that
> >>>measure 10.5" at the tread, I could go no faster than about 40 mph on
> >>>the highway in 4x4. The tires got on top of the snow and the control
> >>>was gone any faster.
> >>>
> >>>With the 33x9.5's and their 7.5" tread, I can easily hold 55 mph in
4x4
> >>>with no control issues at all so I can keep up easy to the transport
> >>>trucks.
> >>>
> >>>It is a total myth that a wide tire is better off road. They only
look
> >>>pretty unless you get into 'real' flotation tires that are designed to
> >>>get up on top like the folks that wheel in Iceland use.
> >>>
> >>>When you go to a 'too wide for the vehicle' tire, you are going
strictly
> >>>for looks or maybe rock crawling where that wide tread has some use.
> >>>
> >>>On most trails, a stock width tire is 'way' better for traction. Next
> >>>time you get a chance, check out what the loggers that work out in the
> >>>bush have on their trucks. You will see tall skinny always. Same for
> >>>what the military used on Jeeps, tall skinny.
> >>>
> >>>Mike
> >>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>
>
a new marketing twist, try them before you buy them!
TW
"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
news:oeqdnQh9wKdOshjdRVn-uQ@magma.ca...
> LOL I know what you mean.
> I also need new tires
> Tires are like a good pair of hiking boots.
> And I like to try them on (boots) first
> to see how they look,fit and feel.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > Yes.
> >
> > I noticed a definite degradation in winter traction when we went from a
> > 225 to a 235 AT tire in our Cherokee. They were both 75 series.
> >
> > Same for a 'radical' increase in traction when I went from a 10.5" wide
> > tire to a 9.5 that measures 7.5"
> >
> > Too bad you can't go try out the tires before buying....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > TW wrote:
> >
> >>My stock 16" rims are 7" wide on a '01 TJ. According to your logic, I
> >>would be better off getting something like 235/85R16, instead of
265/75R16.
> >>Both these sizes are roughly equivalent to 32" tyres. I don't want to
go
> >>too high, but do want MTs. We mostly have mud, sand, dirt and grassy
> >>tracks. Very rarely do we see rocks in our region in New Zealand.
Snow is
> >>never heard off in Auckland.
> >>
> >>TW
> >>
> >>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >>news:40851E07.EA3F7406@sympatico.ca...
> >>
> >>>Stock rims are either 7 or 8" wide, most are 7" including my CJ7
Laredo
> >>>rims. If you check your spare, the size is stamped on the inside face
> >>>of the rim.
> >>>
> >>>The folks with the 'pretty' wide tires off road always get a laugh at
my
> >>>tires. Only one laugh though, the rest of the day is spent with them
> >>>trying and trying and trying to get where I am sitting taking photos
of
> >>>them trying and trying, and...
> >>>
> >>>LOL!
> >>>
> >>>I have tons of photos posted at Sony's ImageStation I could post links
> >>>to. Sony did the typical bait and switch and now insists folks join
to
> >>>see my albums. At least they don't spam....
> >>>
> >>>The narrow tire doesn't spin. It has a 'lot' more psi on the ground
> >>>than say a 12.5" wide one, about 30% more.
> >>>
> >>>This means on mud or dirt or snow I leave a nice tread mark everywhere
I
> >>>go, not a rooster tail mark. The wide tires float on top and spin
out.
> >>>Once they hit too soft, the spinning tire just digs holes. My tire on
> >>>the other hand doesn't spin easy at all, so it doesn't dig holes
'easy'.
> >>>
> >>>In the winter on the road the difference is insane. With tires that
> >>>measure 10.5" at the tread, I could go no faster than about 40 mph on
> >>>the highway in 4x4. The tires got on top of the snow and the control
> >>>was gone any faster.
> >>>
> >>>With the 33x9.5's and their 7.5" tread, I can easily hold 55 mph in
4x4
> >>>with no control issues at all so I can keep up easy to the transport
> >>>trucks.
> >>>
> >>>It is a total myth that a wide tire is better off road. They only
look
> >>>pretty unless you get into 'real' flotation tires that are designed to
> >>>get up on top like the folks that wheel in Iceland use.
> >>>
> >>>When you go to a 'too wide for the vehicle' tire, you are going
strictly
> >>>for looks or maybe rock crawling where that wide tread has some use.
> >>>
> >>>On most trails, a stock width tire is 'way' better for traction. Next
> >>>time you get a chance, check out what the loggers that work out in the
> >>>bush have on their trucks. You will see tall skinny always. Same for
> >>>what the military used on Jeeps, tall skinny.
> >>>
> >>>Mike
> >>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>
>