SB

mmm...now I got wings and beer on my mind....nevermind!! haha


"Nick N" <nnote@despammed.com> wrote in message
news:UR_gc.24437$Yf6.4008@fed1read07...
> Skinny tires are also called cookie cutters....
> I think it has some to do with having to push wider tires through the
snow.
> Kinda like pushing the bricks we drive through the air.......
> Narrows do have the same tread.
> Hm, I got wings and beer on my mind, maybe someone can jump in and
explain.
> gota run!
> Nick
>
> "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8B_gc.41696$9kJ.41500@news04.bloor.is.net.cab le.rogers.com...
> > Ok...but with a fattie wouldn't the tread type help with traction? Like
> big
> > ol'scoops on the tires or something (that's it, I'll put 4 paddles
wheels
> on
> > the jeep when I'm snow running!! lol).
> >
> > Would narrow tires not have the aggressive tread a fattie would? Though
> I'm
> > sure you could purchase it otherwise....but if you have a narrow tire,
are
> > you LESS worried about getting aggressive treading?
> >
> >
> >
> > "Nick N" <nnote@despammed.com> wrote in message
> > news:9t_gc.24433$Yf6.9563@fed1read07...
> > > You kinda fiqured it out on your own. Fattie tires will float on top
of
> > the
> > > snow, where skinny tall tires will cut through the snow down to where
> > there
> > > is traction. Same goes for mud and sand.
> > > Nick
> > >
> > > "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:fn_gc.41595$9kJ.3964@news04.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
> > > > 7.5 seems awefully narrow. Wouldn't you drop through the snow/mud
> right
> > > to
> > > > your axles?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

SB

mmm...now I got wings and beer on my mind....nevermind!! haha


"Nick N" <nnote@despammed.com> wrote in message
news:UR_gc.24437$Yf6.4008@fed1read07...
> Skinny tires are also called cookie cutters....
> I think it has some to do with having to push wider tires through the
snow.
> Kinda like pushing the bricks we drive through the air.......
> Narrows do have the same tread.
> Hm, I got wings and beer on my mind, maybe someone can jump in and
explain.
> gota run!
> Nick
>
> "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8B_gc.41696$9kJ.41500@news04.bloor.is.net.cab le.rogers.com...
> > Ok...but with a fattie wouldn't the tread type help with traction? Like
> big
> > ol'scoops on the tires or something (that's it, I'll put 4 paddles
wheels
> on
> > the jeep when I'm snow running!! lol).
> >
> > Would narrow tires not have the aggressive tread a fattie would? Though
> I'm
> > sure you could purchase it otherwise....but if you have a narrow tire,
are
> > you LESS worried about getting aggressive treading?
> >
> >
> >
> > "Nick N" <nnote@despammed.com> wrote in message
> > news:9t_gc.24433$Yf6.9563@fed1read07...
> > > You kinda fiqured it out on your own. Fattie tires will float on top
of
> > the
> > > snow, where skinny tall tires will cut through the snow down to where
> > there
> > > is traction. Same goes for mud and sand.
> > > Nick
> > >
> > > "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:fn_gc.41595$9kJ.3964@news04.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
> > > > 7.5 seems awefully narrow. Wouldn't you drop through the snow/mud
> right
> > > to
> > > > your axles?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

SB

mmm...now I got wings and beer on my mind....nevermind!! haha


"Nick N" <nnote@despammed.com> wrote in message
news:UR_gc.24437$Yf6.4008@fed1read07...
> Skinny tires are also called cookie cutters....
> I think it has some to do with having to push wider tires through the
snow.
> Kinda like pushing the bricks we drive through the air.......
> Narrows do have the same tread.
> Hm, I got wings and beer on my mind, maybe someone can jump in and
explain.
> gota run!
> Nick
>
> "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8B_gc.41696$9kJ.41500@news04.bloor.is.net.cab le.rogers.com...
> > Ok...but with a fattie wouldn't the tread type help with traction? Like
> big
> > ol'scoops on the tires or something (that's it, I'll put 4 paddles
wheels
> on
> > the jeep when I'm snow running!! lol).
> >
> > Would narrow tires not have the aggressive tread a fattie would? Though
> I'm
> > sure you could purchase it otherwise....but if you have a narrow tire,
are
> > you LESS worried about getting aggressive treading?
> >
> >
> >
> > "Nick N" <nnote@despammed.com> wrote in message
> > news:9t_gc.24433$Yf6.9563@fed1read07...
> > > You kinda fiqured it out on your own. Fattie tires will float on top
of
> > the
> > > snow, where skinny tall tires will cut through the snow down to where
> > there
> > > is traction. Same goes for mud and sand.
> > > Nick
> > >
> > > "SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:fn_gc.41595$9kJ.3964@news04.bloor.is.net.cabl e.rogers.com...
> > > > 7.5 seems awefully narrow. Wouldn't you drop through the snow/mud
> right
> > > to
> > > > your axles?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Mike Romain

Stock rims are either 7 or 8" wide, most are 7" including my CJ7 Laredo
rims. If you check your spare, the size is stamped on the inside face
of the rim.

The folks with the 'pretty' wide tires off road always get a laugh at my
tires. Only one laugh though, the rest of the day is spent with them
trying and trying and trying to get where I am sitting taking photos of
them trying and trying, and...

LOL!

I have tons of photos posted at Sony's ImageStation I could post links
to. Sony did the typical bait and switch and now insists folks join to
see my albums. At least they don't spam....

The narrow tire doesn't spin. It has a 'lot' more psi on the ground
than say a 12.5" wide one, about 30% more.

This means on mud or dirt or snow I leave a nice tread mark everywhere I
go, not a rooster tail mark. The wide tires float on top and spin out.
Once they hit too soft, the spinning tire just digs holes. My tire on
the other hand doesn't spin easy at all, so it doesn't dig holes 'easy'.

In the winter on the road the difference is insane. With tires that
measure 10.5" at the tread, I could go no faster than about 40 mph on
the highway in 4x4. The tires got on top of the snow and the control
was gone any faster.

With the 33x9.5's and their 7.5" tread, I can easily hold 55 mph in 4x4
with no control issues at all so I can keep up easy to the transport
trucks.

It is a total myth that a wide tire is better off road. They only look
pretty unless you get into 'real' flotation tires that are designed to
get up on top like the folks that wheel in Iceland use.

When you go to a 'too wide for the vehicle' tire, you are going strictly
for looks or maybe rock crawling where that wide tread has some use.

On most trails, a stock width tire is 'way' better for traction. Next
time you get a chance, check out what the loggers that work out in the
bush have on their trucks. You will see tall skinny always. Same for
what the military used on Jeeps, tall skinny.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

SB wrote:
>
> 7.5 seems awefully narrow. Wouldn't you drop through the snow/mud right to
> your axles?
> Sorta like going snowshoeing on ice skates....??
>
> How wide are stock '02 TJ rims? 10.5??
>
> Ok so....throw it at me.....benefits of narrow tires as opposed to
> fatties...
> And wall size was something someone brought up once (which would go with rim
> size no?)
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4084530B.900E4451@sympatico.ca...
> > LOL!
> >
> > Yup, but I have to swap Jeeps too....
> >
> > Around here, give me my tall skinny muds on my CJ7 over the AT's on my
> > Cherokee in any winter driving. On or off road!
> >
> > During the ice storm last year I followed around my Boss in his service
> > truck to make sure we could get to the job site or out of it. I have an
> > XD9000i winch on front.
> >
> > I have 33x9.5 muds with a 7.5" wide tread on the road and they grab
> > 'really' well!
> >
> > I keep tearing up engine mounts and exploding hubs and cracking frames
> > because they just don't spin so things twist and torque up...
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > SB wrote:
> > >
> > > So do you cycle between the two based on the season or the trip?
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:40842853.24B70B20@sympatico.ca...
> > > > I have both BFG AT's and Muds and I agree with Steve.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > Steve wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Jeff,
> > > > >
> > > > > I drove 33x10.50 BFG MTs on my XJ all winter with no problem. MT's
> are
> > > > > not as good as AT's at high speed on snow packed roads, but they
> work
> > > > > just fine if you drive accordingly. In deep raw snow, on road or
> off,
> > > > > the MTs are much better.
> > > > >
> > > > > In February I was driving around on unplowed roads in a blizzard
> that
> > > > > eventually accumulated 95 cm (three feet). That morning I rescued a
> > > > > Grand Cherokee and a Ford Ranger. Both were spinning helplessly with
> BFG
> > > > > ATs.
> > > > >
> > > > > I too choose to avoid mud if at all possible, but where I hunt and
> fish
> > > > > it sometimes must be faced. For me, having MTs instead of ATs has
> often
> > > > > made the difference between staying mobile and getting stuck. If you
> can
> > > > > put up with a slight increase in road noise and you're willing to
> rotate
> > > > > frequently, do your Jeep a favor and get the MTs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve Handywired wrote:
> > > > > > My AT's, on my TJ, handled snowy elk camp great last year,
> including
> > > towing a
> > > > > > trailer back OUT on icy snow-packed roads. I was pleased with
> their
> > > performace
> > > > > > on snow. However, I regeared to 4.10 and want to go to at least
> 31's,
> > > so I
> > > > > > need to buy tires, and so I am trying to figure out if I should go
> MT
> > > this
> > > > > > time, or AT again. There were times, here in western Oregon, that
> my
> > > AT's gave
> > > > > > me pause. These would have been the times I contemplated trying
> deep
> > > sticky
> > > > > > mud. MT's would be much better for that, I am told, though let me
> > > also say
> > > > > > that I am not a fan of mud and what it does to vehicles (or trails
> for
> > > that
> > > > > > matter), so any serious mud use would be mostly out of neccesity.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are MT's at least as good at AT's on snow packed roads? How about
> > > "raw" snow?
> > > > > > Deep snow?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -jeff

Mike Romain

Stock rims are either 7 or 8" wide, most are 7" including my CJ7 Laredo
rims. If you check your spare, the size is stamped on the inside face
of the rim.

The folks with the 'pretty' wide tires off road always get a laugh at my
tires. Only one laugh though, the rest of the day is spent with them
trying and trying and trying to get where I am sitting taking photos of
them trying and trying, and...

LOL!

I have tons of photos posted at Sony's ImageStation I could post links
to. Sony did the typical bait and switch and now insists folks join to
see my albums. At least they don't spam....

The narrow tire doesn't spin. It has a 'lot' more psi on the ground
than say a 12.5" wide one, about 30% more.

This means on mud or dirt or snow I leave a nice tread mark everywhere I
go, not a rooster tail mark. The wide tires float on top and spin out.
Once they hit too soft, the spinning tire just digs holes. My tire on
the other hand doesn't spin easy at all, so it doesn't dig holes 'easy'.

In the winter on the road the difference is insane. With tires that
measure 10.5" at the tread, I could go no faster than about 40 mph on
the highway in 4x4. The tires got on top of the snow and the control
was gone any faster.

With the 33x9.5's and their 7.5" tread, I can easily hold 55 mph in 4x4
with no control issues at all so I can keep up easy to the transport
trucks.

It is a total myth that a wide tire is better off road. They only look
pretty unless you get into 'real' flotation tires that are designed to
get up on top like the folks that wheel in Iceland use.

When you go to a 'too wide for the vehicle' tire, you are going strictly
for looks or maybe rock crawling where that wide tread has some use.

On most trails, a stock width tire is 'way' better for traction. Next
time you get a chance, check out what the loggers that work out in the
bush have on their trucks. You will see tall skinny always. Same for
what the military used on Jeeps, tall skinny.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

SB wrote:
>
> 7.5 seems awefully narrow. Wouldn't you drop through the snow/mud right to
> your axles?
> Sorta like going snowshoeing on ice skates....??
>
> How wide are stock '02 TJ rims? 10.5??
>
> Ok so....throw it at me.....benefits of narrow tires as opposed to
> fatties...
> And wall size was something someone brought up once (which would go with rim
> size no?)
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4084530B.900E4451@sympatico.ca...
> > LOL!
> >
> > Yup, but I have to swap Jeeps too....
> >
> > Around here, give me my tall skinny muds on my CJ7 over the AT's on my
> > Cherokee in any winter driving. On or off road!
> >
> > During the ice storm last year I followed around my Boss in his service
> > truck to make sure we could get to the job site or out of it. I have an
> > XD9000i winch on front.
> >
> > I have 33x9.5 muds with a 7.5" wide tread on the road and they grab
> > 'really' well!
> >
> > I keep tearing up engine mounts and exploding hubs and cracking frames
> > because they just don't spin so things twist and torque up...
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > SB wrote:
> > >
> > > So do you cycle between the two based on the season or the trip?
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:40842853.24B70B20@sympatico.ca...
> > > > I have both BFG AT's and Muds and I agree with Steve.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > Steve wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Jeff,
> > > > >
> > > > > I drove 33x10.50 BFG MTs on my XJ all winter with no problem. MT's
> are
> > > > > not as good as AT's at high speed on snow packed roads, but they
> work
> > > > > just fine if you drive accordingly. In deep raw snow, on road or
> off,
> > > > > the MTs are much better.
> > > > >
> > > > > In February I was driving around on unplowed roads in a blizzard
> that
> > > > > eventually accumulated 95 cm (three feet). That morning I rescued a
> > > > > Grand Cherokee and a Ford Ranger. Both were spinning helplessly with
> BFG
> > > > > ATs.
> > > > >
> > > > > I too choose to avoid mud if at all possible, but where I hunt and
> fish
> > > > > it sometimes must be faced. For me, having MTs instead of ATs has
> often
> > > > > made the difference between staying mobile and getting stuck. If you
> can
> > > > > put up with a slight increase in road noise and you're willing to
> rotate
> > > > > frequently, do your Jeep a favor and get the MTs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve Handywired wrote:
> > > > > > My AT's, on my TJ, handled snowy elk camp great last year,
> including
> > > towing a
> > > > > > trailer back OUT on icy snow-packed roads. I was pleased with
> their
> > > performace
> > > > > > on snow. However, I regeared to 4.10 and want to go to at least
> 31's,
> > > so I
> > > > > > need to buy tires, and so I am trying to figure out if I should go
> MT
> > > this
> > > > > > time, or AT again. There were times, here in western Oregon, that
> my
> > > AT's gave
> > > > > > me pause. These would have been the times I contemplated trying
> deep
> > > sticky
> > > > > > mud. MT's would be much better for that, I am told, though let me
> > > also say
> > > > > > that I am not a fan of mud and what it does to vehicles (or trails
> for
> > > that
> > > > > > matter), so any serious mud use would be mostly out of neccesity.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are MT's at least as good at AT's on snow packed roads? How about
> > > "raw" snow?
> > > > > > Deep snow?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -jeff

Mike Romain

Stock rims are either 7 or 8" wide, most are 7" including my CJ7 Laredo
rims. If you check your spare, the size is stamped on the inside face
of the rim.

The folks with the 'pretty' wide tires off road always get a laugh at my
tires. Only one laugh though, the rest of the day is spent with them
trying and trying and trying to get where I am sitting taking photos of
them trying and trying, and...

LOL!

I have tons of photos posted at Sony's ImageStation I could post links
to. Sony did the typical bait and switch and now insists folks join to
see my albums. At least they don't spam....

The narrow tire doesn't spin. It has a 'lot' more psi on the ground
than say a 12.5" wide one, about 30% more.

This means on mud or dirt or snow I leave a nice tread mark everywhere I
go, not a rooster tail mark. The wide tires float on top and spin out.
Once they hit too soft, the spinning tire just digs holes. My tire on
the other hand doesn't spin easy at all, so it doesn't dig holes 'easy'.

In the winter on the road the difference is insane. With tires that
measure 10.5" at the tread, I could go no faster than about 40 mph on
the highway in 4x4. The tires got on top of the snow and the control
was gone any faster.

With the 33x9.5's and their 7.5" tread, I can easily hold 55 mph in 4x4
with no control issues at all so I can keep up easy to the transport
trucks.

It is a total myth that a wide tire is better off road. They only look
pretty unless you get into 'real' flotation tires that are designed to
get up on top like the folks that wheel in Iceland use.

When you go to a 'too wide for the vehicle' tire, you are going strictly
for looks or maybe rock crawling where that wide tread has some use.

On most trails, a stock width tire is 'way' better for traction. Next
time you get a chance, check out what the loggers that work out in the
bush have on their trucks. You will see tall skinny always. Same for
what the military used on Jeeps, tall skinny.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

SB wrote:
>
> 7.5 seems awefully narrow. Wouldn't you drop through the snow/mud right to
> your axles?
> Sorta like going snowshoeing on ice skates....??
>
> How wide are stock '02 TJ rims? 10.5??
>
> Ok so....throw it at me.....benefits of narrow tires as opposed to
> fatties...
> And wall size was something someone brought up once (which would go with rim
> size no?)
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4084530B.900E4451@sympatico.ca...
> > LOL!
> >
> > Yup, but I have to swap Jeeps too....
> >
> > Around here, give me my tall skinny muds on my CJ7 over the AT's on my
> > Cherokee in any winter driving. On or off road!
> >
> > During the ice storm last year I followed around my Boss in his service
> > truck to make sure we could get to the job site or out of it. I have an
> > XD9000i winch on front.
> >
> > I have 33x9.5 muds with a 7.5" wide tread on the road and they grab
> > 'really' well!
> >
> > I keep tearing up engine mounts and exploding hubs and cracking frames
> > because they just don't spin so things twist and torque up...
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > SB wrote:
> > >
> > > So do you cycle between the two based on the season or the trip?
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:40842853.24B70B20@sympatico.ca...
> > > > I have both BFG AT's and Muds and I agree with Steve.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > Steve wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Jeff,
> > > > >
> > > > > I drove 33x10.50 BFG MTs on my XJ all winter with no problem. MT's
> are
> > > > > not as good as AT's at high speed on snow packed roads, but they
> work
> > > > > just fine if you drive accordingly. In deep raw snow, on road or
> off,
> > > > > the MTs are much better.
> > > > >
> > > > > In February I was driving around on unplowed roads in a blizzard
> that
> > > > > eventually accumulated 95 cm (three feet). That morning I rescued a
> > > > > Grand Cherokee and a Ford Ranger. Both were spinning helplessly with
> BFG
> > > > > ATs.
> > > > >
> > > > > I too choose to avoid mud if at all possible, but where I hunt and
> fish
> > > > > it sometimes must be faced. For me, having MTs instead of ATs has
> often
> > > > > made the difference between staying mobile and getting stuck. If you
> can
> > > > > put up with a slight increase in road noise and you're willing to
> rotate
> > > > > frequently, do your Jeep a favor and get the MTs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve Handywired wrote:
> > > > > > My AT's, on my TJ, handled snowy elk camp great last year,
> including
> > > towing a
> > > > > > trailer back OUT on icy snow-packed roads. I was pleased with
> their
> > > performace
> > > > > > on snow. However, I regeared to 4.10 and want to go to at least
> 31's,
> > > so I
> > > > > > need to buy tires, and so I am trying to figure out if I should go
> MT
> > > this
> > > > > > time, or AT again. There were times, here in western Oregon, that
> my
> > > AT's gave
> > > > > > me pause. These would have been the times I contemplated trying
> deep
> > > sticky
> > > > > > mud. MT's would be much better for that, I am told, though let me
> > > also say
> > > > > > that I am not a fan of mud and what it does to vehicles (or trails
> for
> > > that
> > > > > > matter), so any serious mud use would be mostly out of neccesity.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are MT's at least as good at AT's on snow packed roads? How about
> > > "raw" snow?
> > > > > > Deep snow?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -jeff

Mike Romain

Stock rims are either 7 or 8" wide, most are 7" including my CJ7 Laredo
rims. If you check your spare, the size is stamped on the inside face
of the rim.

The folks with the 'pretty' wide tires off road always get a laugh at my
tires. Only one laugh though, the rest of the day is spent with them
trying and trying and trying to get where I am sitting taking photos of
them trying and trying, and...

LOL!

I have tons of photos posted at Sony's ImageStation I could post links
to. Sony did the typical bait and switch and now insists folks join to
see my albums. At least they don't spam....

The narrow tire doesn't spin. It has a 'lot' more psi on the ground
than say a 12.5" wide one, about 30% more.

This means on mud or dirt or snow I leave a nice tread mark everywhere I
go, not a rooster tail mark. The wide tires float on top and spin out.
Once they hit too soft, the spinning tire just digs holes. My tire on
the other hand doesn't spin easy at all, so it doesn't dig holes 'easy'.

In the winter on the road the difference is insane. With tires that
measure 10.5" at the tread, I could go no faster than about 40 mph on
the highway in 4x4. The tires got on top of the snow and the control
was gone any faster.

With the 33x9.5's and their 7.5" tread, I can easily hold 55 mph in 4x4
with no control issues at all so I can keep up easy to the transport
trucks.

It is a total myth that a wide tire is better off road. They only look
pretty unless you get into 'real' flotation tires that are designed to
get up on top like the folks that wheel in Iceland use.

When you go to a 'too wide for the vehicle' tire, you are going strictly
for looks or maybe rock crawling where that wide tread has some use.

On most trails, a stock width tire is 'way' better for traction. Next
time you get a chance, check out what the loggers that work out in the
bush have on their trucks. You will see tall skinny always. Same for
what the military used on Jeeps, tall skinny.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

SB wrote:
>
> 7.5 seems awefully narrow. Wouldn't you drop through the snow/mud right to
> your axles?
> Sorta like going snowshoeing on ice skates....??
>
> How wide are stock '02 TJ rims? 10.5??
>
> Ok so....throw it at me.....benefits of narrow tires as opposed to
> fatties...
> And wall size was something someone brought up once (which would go with rim
> size no?)
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4084530B.900E4451@sympatico.ca...
> > LOL!
> >
> > Yup, but I have to swap Jeeps too....
> >
> > Around here, give me my tall skinny muds on my CJ7 over the AT's on my
> > Cherokee in any winter driving. On or off road!
> >
> > During the ice storm last year I followed around my Boss in his service
> > truck to make sure we could get to the job site or out of it. I have an
> > XD9000i winch on front.
> >
> > I have 33x9.5 muds with a 7.5" wide tread on the road and they grab
> > 'really' well!
> >
> > I keep tearing up engine mounts and exploding hubs and cracking frames
> > because they just don't spin so things twist and torque up...
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > SB wrote:
> > >
> > > So do you cycle between the two based on the season or the trip?
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:40842853.24B70B20@sympatico.ca...
> > > > I have both BFG AT's and Muds and I agree with Steve.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > Steve wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Jeff,
> > > > >
> > > > > I drove 33x10.50 BFG MTs on my XJ all winter with no problem. MT's
> are
> > > > > not as good as AT's at high speed on snow packed roads, but they
> work
> > > > > just fine if you drive accordingly. In deep raw snow, on road or
> off,
> > > > > the MTs are much better.
> > > > >
> > > > > In February I was driving around on unplowed roads in a blizzard
> that
> > > > > eventually accumulated 95 cm (three feet). That morning I rescued a
> > > > > Grand Cherokee and a Ford Ranger. Both were spinning helplessly with
> BFG
> > > > > ATs.
> > > > >
> > > > > I too choose to avoid mud if at all possible, but where I hunt and
> fish
> > > > > it sometimes must be faced. For me, having MTs instead of ATs has
> often
> > > > > made the difference between staying mobile and getting stuck. If you
> can
> > > > > put up with a slight increase in road noise and you're willing to
> rotate
> > > > > frequently, do your Jeep a favor and get the MTs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve Handywired wrote:
> > > > > > My AT's, on my TJ, handled snowy elk camp great last year,
> including
> > > towing a
> > > > > > trailer back OUT on icy snow-packed roads. I was pleased with
> their
> > > performace
> > > > > > on snow. However, I regeared to 4.10 and want to go to at least
> 31's,
> > > so I
> > > > > > need to buy tires, and so I am trying to figure out if I should go
> MT
> > > this
> > > > > > time, or AT again. There were times, here in western Oregon, that
> my
> > > AT's gave
> > > > > > me pause. These would have been the times I contemplated trying
> deep
> > > sticky
> > > > > > mud. MT's would be much better for that, I am told, though let me
> > > also say
> > > > > > that I am not a fan of mud and what it does to vehicles (or trails
> for
> > > that
> > > > > > matter), so any serious mud use would be mostly out of neccesity.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are MT's at least as good at AT's on snow packed roads? How about
> > > "raw" snow?
> > > > > > Deep snow?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -jeff

TW

My stock 16" rims are 7" wide on a '01 TJ. According to your logic, I
would be better off getting something like 235/85R16, instead of 265/75R16.
Both these sizes are roughly equivalent to 32" tyres. I don't want to go
too high, but do want MTs. We mostly have mud, sand, dirt and grassy
tracks. Very rarely do we see rocks in our region in New Zealand. Snow is
never heard off in Auckland.

TW


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40851E07.EA3F7406@sympatico.ca...
> Stock rims are either 7 or 8" wide, most are 7" including my CJ7 Laredo
> rims. If you check your spare, the size is stamped on the inside face
> of the rim.
>
> The folks with the 'pretty' wide tires off road always get a laugh at my
> tires. Only one laugh though, the rest of the day is spent with them
> trying and trying and trying to get where I am sitting taking photos of
> them trying and trying, and...
>
> LOL!
>
> I have tons of photos posted at Sony's ImageStation I could post links
> to. Sony did the typical bait and switch and now insists folks join to
> see my albums. At least they don't spam....
>
> The narrow tire doesn't spin. It has a 'lot' more psi on the ground
> than say a 12.5" wide one, about 30% more.
>
> This means on mud or dirt or snow I leave a nice tread mark everywhere I
> go, not a rooster tail mark. The wide tires float on top and spin out.
> Once they hit too soft, the spinning tire just digs holes. My tire on
> the other hand doesn't spin easy at all, so it doesn't dig holes 'easy'.
>
> In the winter on the road the difference is insane. With tires that
> measure 10.5" at the tread, I could go no faster than about 40 mph on
> the highway in 4x4. The tires got on top of the snow and the control
> was gone any faster.
>
> With the 33x9.5's and their 7.5" tread, I can easily hold 55 mph in 4x4
> with no control issues at all so I can keep up easy to the transport
> trucks.
>
> It is a total myth that a wide tire is better off road. They only look
> pretty unless you get into 'real' flotation tires that are designed to
> get up on top like the folks that wheel in Iceland use.
>
> When you go to a 'too wide for the vehicle' tire, you are going strictly
> for looks or maybe rock crawling where that wide tread has some use.
>
> On most trails, a stock width tire is 'way' better for traction. Next
> time you get a chance, check out what the loggers that work out in the
> bush have on their trucks. You will see tall skinny always. Same for
> what the military used on Jeeps, tall skinny.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>

TW

My stock 16" rims are 7" wide on a '01 TJ. According to your logic, I
would be better off getting something like 235/85R16, instead of 265/75R16.
Both these sizes are roughly equivalent to 32" tyres. I don't want to go
too high, but do want MTs. We mostly have mud, sand, dirt and grassy
tracks. Very rarely do we see rocks in our region in New Zealand. Snow is
never heard off in Auckland.

TW


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40851E07.EA3F7406@sympatico.ca...
> Stock rims are either 7 or 8" wide, most are 7" including my CJ7 Laredo
> rims. If you check your spare, the size is stamped on the inside face
> of the rim.
>
> The folks with the 'pretty' wide tires off road always get a laugh at my
> tires. Only one laugh though, the rest of the day is spent with them
> trying and trying and trying to get where I am sitting taking photos of
> them trying and trying, and...
>
> LOL!
>
> I have tons of photos posted at Sony's ImageStation I could post links
> to. Sony did the typical bait and switch and now insists folks join to
> see my albums. At least they don't spam....
>
> The narrow tire doesn't spin. It has a 'lot' more psi on the ground
> than say a 12.5" wide one, about 30% more.
>
> This means on mud or dirt or snow I leave a nice tread mark everywhere I
> go, not a rooster tail mark. The wide tires float on top and spin out.
> Once they hit too soft, the spinning tire just digs holes. My tire on
> the other hand doesn't spin easy at all, so it doesn't dig holes 'easy'.
>
> In the winter on the road the difference is insane. With tires that
> measure 10.5" at the tread, I could go no faster than about 40 mph on
> the highway in 4x4. The tires got on top of the snow and the control
> was gone any faster.
>
> With the 33x9.5's and their 7.5" tread, I can easily hold 55 mph in 4x4
> with no control issues at all so I can keep up easy to the transport
> trucks.
>
> It is a total myth that a wide tire is better off road. They only look
> pretty unless you get into 'real' flotation tires that are designed to
> get up on top like the folks that wheel in Iceland use.
>
> When you go to a 'too wide for the vehicle' tire, you are going strictly
> for looks or maybe rock crawling where that wide tread has some use.
>
> On most trails, a stock width tire is 'way' better for traction. Next
> time you get a chance, check out what the loggers that work out in the
> bush have on their trucks. You will see tall skinny always. Same for
> what the military used on Jeeps, tall skinny.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>

TW

My stock 16" rims are 7" wide on a '01 TJ. According to your logic, I
would be better off getting something like 235/85R16, instead of 265/75R16.
Both these sizes are roughly equivalent to 32" tyres. I don't want to go
too high, but do want MTs. We mostly have mud, sand, dirt and grassy
tracks. Very rarely do we see rocks in our region in New Zealand. Snow is
never heard off in Auckland.

TW


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40851E07.EA3F7406@sympatico.ca...
> Stock rims are either 7 or 8" wide, most are 7" including my CJ7 Laredo
> rims. If you check your spare, the size is stamped on the inside face
> of the rim.
>
> The folks with the 'pretty' wide tires off road always get a laugh at my
> tires. Only one laugh though, the rest of the day is spent with them
> trying and trying and trying to get where I am sitting taking photos of
> them trying and trying, and...
>
> LOL!
>
> I have tons of photos posted at Sony's ImageStation I could post links
> to. Sony did the typical bait and switch and now insists folks join to
> see my albums. At least they don't spam....
>
> The narrow tire doesn't spin. It has a 'lot' more psi on the ground
> than say a 12.5" wide one, about 30% more.
>
> This means on mud or dirt or snow I leave a nice tread mark everywhere I
> go, not a rooster tail mark. The wide tires float on top and spin out.
> Once they hit too soft, the spinning tire just digs holes. My tire on
> the other hand doesn't spin easy at all, so it doesn't dig holes 'easy'.
>
> In the winter on the road the difference is insane. With tires that
> measure 10.5" at the tread, I could go no faster than about 40 mph on
> the highway in 4x4. The tires got on top of the snow and the control
> was gone any faster.
>
> With the 33x9.5's and their 7.5" tread, I can easily hold 55 mph in 4x4
> with no control issues at all so I can keep up easy to the transport
> trucks.
>
> It is a total myth that a wide tire is better off road. They only look
> pretty unless you get into 'real' flotation tires that are designed to
> get up on top like the folks that wheel in Iceland use.
>
> When you go to a 'too wide for the vehicle' tire, you are going strictly
> for looks or maybe rock crawling where that wide tread has some use.
>
> On most trails, a stock width tire is 'way' better for traction. Next
> time you get a chance, check out what the loggers that work out in the
> bush have on their trucks. You will see tall skinny always. Same for
> what the military used on Jeeps, tall skinny.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>