Re: Battery Charging Voltage
 

L.W. ("ßill") ------ III did pass the time by typing:
> It pops the diodes in the alternator, as I found out with my new
> Real Jeep back in '68. While trying to which from a friends battery back
> to my own dead battery without the use of jumper cables.

Worse than that with the new systems. It literally fries the computer
since in their blithering genius, they put the regulator in there.
All to save a few seconds on the assembly line.


> DougW wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> One thing to remember is never disconnect the battery
>> with the engine running. It's hell on the regulator/ECU.
>>
>> --
>> DougW

Re: Battery Charging Voltage
 

L.W. ("ßill") ------ III did pass the time by typing:
> It pops the diodes in the alternator, as I found out with my new
> Real Jeep back in '68. While trying to which from a friends battery back
> to my own dead battery without the use of jumper cables.

Worse than that with the new systems. It literally fries the computer
since in their blithering genius, they put the regulator in there.
All to save a few seconds on the assembly line.


> DougW wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> One thing to remember is never disconnect the battery
>> with the engine running. It's hell on the regulator/ECU.
>>
>> --
>> DougW

Re: Battery Charging Voltage
 

And radio if that was left on.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

DougW wrote:
>
> Worse than that with the new systems. It literally fries the computer
> since in their blithering genius, they put the regulator in there.
> All to save a few seconds on the assembly line.

Re: Battery Charging Voltage
 

And radio if that was left on.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

DougW wrote:
>
> Worse than that with the new systems. It literally fries the computer
> since in their blithering genius, they put the regulator in there.
> All to save a few seconds on the assembly line.

Re: Battery Charging Voltage
 

And radio if that was left on.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

DougW wrote:
>
> Worse than that with the new systems. It literally fries the computer
> since in their blithering genius, they put the regulator in there.
> All to save a few seconds on the assembly line.

Re: Battery Charging Voltage
 

There have been a lot of vehicles (not just Jeeps) that have had
ammeters with alternators. Chrysler used them for years after
alternators came out.

Both can be useful, the more information about what is going on with
your vehicle the better off you are... and either one is better than an
idiot light!

Jeff DeWitt

Jerry Bransford wrote:

> You should understood that newer CJs that came with alternators also
> came with voltmeters, not amp meters. Vehicles with alternators use
> voltmeters, vehicles with generators use amp meters. It's all in how
> generators vs. alternators work and that an amp meter (ammeter) is not
> as useful for determining the condition of the battery as a volt meter
> is in an alternator equipped vehicle. Just like a volt meter doesn't
> help much in a generator-equipped vehicle.
>
> Why are alternators better than generators? Because they can charge a
> battery even when the engine is idling, older generators need the rpms
> to be higher for that to happen.
>
> Bill, your senseless continued slamming of anything that is not a CJ is
> still causing you to spout out a lot of incorrect information... your
> slamming of the use of voltmeters instead of an amp meter when you don't
> understand why (or that later CJs came with voltmeters) is just one more
> indication of you being blinded by your hate for anything that isn't a
> CJ... which just makes some of what you write here pretty ridiculous to
> someone with less of a chip on his shoulder.
>
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>
>> Real Jeeps come stock with Amp gauges, like ALL Hod Rodders have,
>> and anyone whom wants to know what's happening under their hood:
>> http://www.----------.com/kenworthdash.jpg All a volt meter tells you is
>> your battery's not dead, YET! God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:--------------------
>> Dave Milne wrote:
>>
>>> Voltmeter (on TJ gauge) has started creeping up from below 14 volts (
>>> 13.8
>>> ? ) and now reads consistently around 14.1 Battery is around 4 years
>>> old,
>>> but always birls the engine round quickly. Is this most likely to be an
>>> early warning of battery failure, alternator failure or voltage
>>> regulator
>>> ( is that in the management system or the alternator ) ?
>>>
>>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>

Re: Battery Charging Voltage
 

There have been a lot of vehicles (not just Jeeps) that have had
ammeters with alternators. Chrysler used them for years after
alternators came out.

Both can be useful, the more information about what is going on with
your vehicle the better off you are... and either one is better than an
idiot light!

Jeff DeWitt

Jerry Bransford wrote:

> You should understood that newer CJs that came with alternators also
> came with voltmeters, not amp meters. Vehicles with alternators use
> voltmeters, vehicles with generators use amp meters. It's all in how
> generators vs. alternators work and that an amp meter (ammeter) is not
> as useful for determining the condition of the battery as a volt meter
> is in an alternator equipped vehicle. Just like a volt meter doesn't
> help much in a generator-equipped vehicle.
>
> Why are alternators better than generators? Because they can charge a
> battery even when the engine is idling, older generators need the rpms
> to be higher for that to happen.
>
> Bill, your senseless continued slamming of anything that is not a CJ is
> still causing you to spout out a lot of incorrect information... your
> slamming of the use of voltmeters instead of an amp meter when you don't
> understand why (or that later CJs came with voltmeters) is just one more
> indication of you being blinded by your hate for anything that isn't a
> CJ... which just makes some of what you write here pretty ridiculous to
> someone with less of a chip on his shoulder.
>
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>
>> Real Jeeps come stock with Amp gauges, like ALL Hod Rodders have,
>> and anyone whom wants to know what's happening under their hood:
>> http://www.----------.com/kenworthdash.jpg All a volt meter tells you is
>> your battery's not dead, YET! God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:--------------------
>> Dave Milne wrote:
>>
>>> Voltmeter (on TJ gauge) has started creeping up from below 14 volts (
>>> 13.8
>>> ? ) and now reads consistently around 14.1 Battery is around 4 years
>>> old,
>>> but always birls the engine round quickly. Is this most likely to be an
>>> early warning of battery failure, alternator failure or voltage
>>> regulator
>>> ( is that in the management system or the alternator ) ?
>>>
>>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>

Re: Battery Charging Voltage
 

There have been a lot of vehicles (not just Jeeps) that have had
ammeters with alternators. Chrysler used them for years after
alternators came out.

Both can be useful, the more information about what is going on with
your vehicle the better off you are... and either one is better than an
idiot light!

Jeff DeWitt

Jerry Bransford wrote:

> You should understood that newer CJs that came with alternators also
> came with voltmeters, not amp meters. Vehicles with alternators use
> voltmeters, vehicles with generators use amp meters. It's all in how
> generators vs. alternators work and that an amp meter (ammeter) is not
> as useful for determining the condition of the battery as a volt meter
> is in an alternator equipped vehicle. Just like a volt meter doesn't
> help much in a generator-equipped vehicle.
>
> Why are alternators better than generators? Because they can charge a
> battery even when the engine is idling, older generators need the rpms
> to be higher for that to happen.
>
> Bill, your senseless continued slamming of anything that is not a CJ is
> still causing you to spout out a lot of incorrect information... your
> slamming of the use of voltmeters instead of an amp meter when you don't
> understand why (or that later CJs came with voltmeters) is just one more
> indication of you being blinded by your hate for anything that isn't a
> CJ... which just makes some of what you write here pretty ridiculous to
> someone with less of a chip on his shoulder.
>
> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
>
>> Real Jeeps come stock with Amp gauges, like ALL Hod Rodders have,
>> and anyone whom wants to know what's happening under their hood:
>> http://www.----------.com/kenworthdash.jpg All a volt meter tells you is
>> your battery's not dead, YET! God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:--------------------
>> Dave Milne wrote:
>>
>>> Voltmeter (on TJ gauge) has started creeping up from below 14 volts (
>>> 13.8
>>> ? ) and now reads consistently around 14.1 Battery is around 4 years
>>> old,
>>> but always birls the engine round quickly. Is this most likely to be an
>>> early warning of battery failure, alternator failure or voltage
>>> regulator
>>> ( is that in the management system or the alternator ) ?
>>>
>>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>

Re: Battery Charging Voltage
 

Bill, ride in any Ford, Dodge, GMC, or Chevrolet truck with an
alternator, and by the way they ALL have alternators, and you will see a
voltmeter, not an amp meter. No manufacturer of a modern consumer
vehicle installs an amp meter any more due everyone having switched to
alternators many years ago. I drive all (!) of those brands of trucks
trucks (yes, plural) every single day of the week in my job.

You need to get out of your pajamas and the house and see what has hit
the streets in the past 30 years.

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Look in any stock performance Ford or GM product and you will see
> their gauges read in amps. Get a set of gauges and you won't sound
> so...... lame!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
>><snip BS>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
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http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/

Re: Battery Charging Voltage
 

Bill, ride in any Ford, Dodge, GMC, or Chevrolet truck with an
alternator, and by the way they ALL have alternators, and you will see a
voltmeter, not an amp meter. No manufacturer of a modern consumer
vehicle installs an amp meter any more due everyone having switched to
alternators many years ago. I drive all (!) of those brands of trucks
trucks (yes, plural) every single day of the week in my job.

You need to get out of your pajamas and the house and see what has hit
the streets in the past 30 years.

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Look in any stock performance Ford or GM product and you will see
> their gauges read in amps. Get a set of gauges and you won't sound
> so...... lame!
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
>><snip BS>

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/