back seat sucks too
08-29-2003, 09:58 AM
#51
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Re: back seat sucks too
I felt much safer with my daughter riding in the front of my 99 Sahara
than in the back, especially with the top down/off. There is more
rollover protection in the front. I was sorely disappointed when they
86'd the airbag switch, which I think should be an option in any
vehicle. Now, she rides in the back, but I wasn't aware that the '03s
had a different type of airbag. I might have to rethink that.
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "Gregg" <newflyers2002@yahooxxxnospam.com> wrote in message
> news:5uhukvsihiqsci4r3kjrqkp4fh6b8ms1ka@4ax.com...
>
>>A false sense of security can get someone hurt as
>>quick (or quicker) as not knowing at all.
>
>
> i could give you an endless list of vehicles that protect your children
> better than a tj. are you a bad parent because its "recommended" or a known
> fact that these vehicles protect your children better, yet you choose to
> drive a tj anyway? thats the same type of crap as giving someone
> condescending judgement over letting them ride in the front.
>
> this is what happens in a tj during a roll over at highway speed
> http://7slotgrille.com/gbu/wreck.html and lets face it, it doesnt take much
> to roll a tj at highway speed. there is _no_ sense of security in a moving
> vehicle no matter where you sit. whats the solution, stay at home?
>
> i notice from your sig line that you drive a 99 tj. your children would be
> much safer in an expedition.....
>
>
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than in the back, especially with the top down/off. There is more
rollover protection in the front. I was sorely disappointed when they
86'd the airbag switch, which I think should be an option in any
vehicle. Now, she rides in the back, but I wasn't aware that the '03s
had a different type of airbag. I might have to rethink that.
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "Gregg" <newflyers2002@yahooxxxnospam.com> wrote in message
> news:5uhukvsihiqsci4r3kjrqkp4fh6b8ms1ka@4ax.com...
>
>>A false sense of security can get someone hurt as
>>quick (or quicker) as not knowing at all.
>
>
> i could give you an endless list of vehicles that protect your children
> better than a tj. are you a bad parent because its "recommended" or a known
> fact that these vehicles protect your children better, yet you choose to
> drive a tj anyway? thats the same type of crap as giving someone
> condescending judgement over letting them ride in the front.
>
> this is what happens in a tj during a roll over at highway speed
> http://7slotgrille.com/gbu/wreck.html and lets face it, it doesnt take much
> to roll a tj at highway speed. there is _no_ sense of security in a moving
> vehicle no matter where you sit. whats the solution, stay at home?
>
> i notice from your sig line that you drive a 99 tj. your children would be
> much safer in an expedition.....
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
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08-29-2003, 10:03 AM
#52
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Re: back seat sucks too
My '99 Sahara did too, but they dropped it recently for TJs with a
backseat. I guess it's their way of 'forcing' you to use the back seat
when carrying kids, which, in a TJ, I'm not so sure is the safest seat.
Brett Dixon wrote:
> In article <xwA3b.915$5Z1.233@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com>,
> twaldron <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>I think the SE, or Jeeps that don't come with a backseat, have a
>>passenger airbag switch. I have no idea why they took that feature away
>>from the other trimlines. Does anyone know?
>
>
> My '99 Sahara paclage TJ has the disabler switch...
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
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backseat. I guess it's their way of 'forcing' you to use the back seat
when carrying kids, which, in a TJ, I'm not so sure is the safest seat.
Brett Dixon wrote:
> In article <xwA3b.915$5Z1.233@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com>,
> twaldron <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>I think the SE, or Jeeps that don't come with a backseat, have a
>>passenger airbag switch. I have no idea why they took that feature away
>>from the other trimlines. Does anyone know?
>
>
> My '99 Sahara paclage TJ has the disabler switch...
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
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08-29-2003, 10:03 AM
#53
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Re: back seat sucks too
My '99 Sahara did too, but they dropped it recently for TJs with a
backseat. I guess it's their way of 'forcing' you to use the back seat
when carrying kids, which, in a TJ, I'm not so sure is the safest seat.
Brett Dixon wrote:
> In article <xwA3b.915$5Z1.233@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com>,
> twaldron <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>I think the SE, or Jeeps that don't come with a backseat, have a
>>passenger airbag switch. I have no idea why they took that feature away
>>from the other trimlines. Does anyone know?
>
>
> My '99 Sahara paclage TJ has the disabler switch...
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
backseat. I guess it's their way of 'forcing' you to use the back seat
when carrying kids, which, in a TJ, I'm not so sure is the safest seat.
Brett Dixon wrote:
> In article <xwA3b.915$5Z1.233@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com>,
> twaldron <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>I think the SE, or Jeeps that don't come with a backseat, have a
>>passenger airbag switch. I have no idea why they took that feature away
>>from the other trimlines. Does anyone know?
>
>
> My '99 Sahara paclage TJ has the disabler switch...
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
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08-29-2003, 12:13 PM
#54
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Re: back seat sucks too
The whole issue was not over type of vehicle, just what seat is
generally beleived to the best place for a child in a car seat. What
constitutes immenant danger is (as you well know) open to opinion.
The factory (and I suspect government required) installed sticker on
teh passenger sunvisor on my 99tj clearly states kids 12 and under can
be killed by the airbag, and if you place a child seat in that seat to
turn off the airbag. Do I follow everything I am told, no, but in my
case I would rather here my kids say "I do" instead of JEEP.
We have different opinions, so what. On to Jeep stuff
Gregg
1999 TJ(2.5L)
generally beleived to the best place for a child in a car seat. What
constitutes immenant danger is (as you well know) open to opinion.
The factory (and I suspect government required) installed sticker on
teh passenger sunvisor on my 99tj clearly states kids 12 and under can
be killed by the airbag, and if you place a child seat in that seat to
turn off the airbag. Do I follow everything I am told, no, but in my
case I would rather here my kids say "I do" instead of JEEP.
We have different opinions, so what. On to Jeep stuff
Gregg
1999 TJ(2.5L)
08-29-2003, 12:13 PM
#55
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Re: back seat sucks too
The whole issue was not over type of vehicle, just what seat is
generally beleived to the best place for a child in a car seat. What
constitutes immenant danger is (as you well know) open to opinion.
The factory (and I suspect government required) installed sticker on
teh passenger sunvisor on my 99tj clearly states kids 12 and under can
be killed by the airbag, and if you place a child seat in that seat to
turn off the airbag. Do I follow everything I am told, no, but in my
case I would rather here my kids say "I do" instead of JEEP.
We have different opinions, so what. On to Jeep stuff
Gregg
1999 TJ(2.5L)
generally beleived to the best place for a child in a car seat. What
constitutes immenant danger is (as you well know) open to opinion.
The factory (and I suspect government required) installed sticker on
teh passenger sunvisor on my 99tj clearly states kids 12 and under can
be killed by the airbag, and if you place a child seat in that seat to
turn off the airbag. Do I follow everything I am told, no, but in my
case I would rather here my kids say "I do" instead of JEEP.
We have different opinions, so what. On to Jeep stuff
Gregg
1999 TJ(2.5L)
08-29-2003, 12:55 PM
#56
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Re: back seat sucks too
"Gregg" <newflyers2002@yahooxxxnospam.com> wrote in message
news:mutukvcoehhe76qgbtcig2uilg1n0lh6gh@4ax.com...
> The whole issue was not over type of vehicle, just what seat is
> generally beleived to the best place for a child in a car seat.
its exactly the same argument.
> The factory (and I suspect government required) installed sticker on
> teh passenger sunvisor on my 99tj clearly states kids 12 and under can
> be killed by the airbag
they can also be killed on their bicycle. they can also be killed in the
bath tub. they can choke on the candy bar they hid under their bed to eat
when youre asleep. they can be shot at school by a stray bullet while
simply trying to get their books out of their lockers. they can be killed
playing in your yard by the neighbors dog that got out.
should we not allow them to have bikes, or take baths, or go to school, or
play outside?
> I would rather here my kids say "I do" instead of JEEP.
are you suggesting that i wouldnt? are you suggesting that im trying to
kill my child? your statement would imply that you are somehow "better" as
a parent, because i let my daughter ride in the front seat. that suggestion
astounds me.
you do everything you can to protect your children, but you have to be
realistic. only you know what you think is best for your children, and only
i know whats best for mine. if i see your child in _imminent_ danger ill
speak up. otherwise its none of my business.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:mutukvcoehhe76qgbtcig2uilg1n0lh6gh@4ax.com...
> The whole issue was not over type of vehicle, just what seat is
> generally beleived to the best place for a child in a car seat.
its exactly the same argument.
> The factory (and I suspect government required) installed sticker on
> teh passenger sunvisor on my 99tj clearly states kids 12 and under can
> be killed by the airbag
they can also be killed on their bicycle. they can also be killed in the
bath tub. they can choke on the candy bar they hid under their bed to eat
when youre asleep. they can be shot at school by a stray bullet while
simply trying to get their books out of their lockers. they can be killed
playing in your yard by the neighbors dog that got out.
should we not allow them to have bikes, or take baths, or go to school, or
play outside?
> I would rather here my kids say "I do" instead of JEEP.
are you suggesting that i wouldnt? are you suggesting that im trying to
kill my child? your statement would imply that you are somehow "better" as
a parent, because i let my daughter ride in the front seat. that suggestion
astounds me.
you do everything you can to protect your children, but you have to be
realistic. only you know what you think is best for your children, and only
i know whats best for mine. if i see your child in _imminent_ danger ill
speak up. otherwise its none of my business.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
08-29-2003, 12:55 PM
#57
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Re: back seat sucks too
"Gregg" <newflyers2002@yahooxxxnospam.com> wrote in message
news:mutukvcoehhe76qgbtcig2uilg1n0lh6gh@4ax.com...
> The whole issue was not over type of vehicle, just what seat is
> generally beleived to the best place for a child in a car seat.
its exactly the same argument.
> The factory (and I suspect government required) installed sticker on
> teh passenger sunvisor on my 99tj clearly states kids 12 and under can
> be killed by the airbag
they can also be killed on their bicycle. they can also be killed in the
bath tub. they can choke on the candy bar they hid under their bed to eat
when youre asleep. they can be shot at school by a stray bullet while
simply trying to get their books out of their lockers. they can be killed
playing in your yard by the neighbors dog that got out.
should we not allow them to have bikes, or take baths, or go to school, or
play outside?
> I would rather here my kids say "I do" instead of JEEP.
are you suggesting that i wouldnt? are you suggesting that im trying to
kill my child? your statement would imply that you are somehow "better" as
a parent, because i let my daughter ride in the front seat. that suggestion
astounds me.
you do everything you can to protect your children, but you have to be
realistic. only you know what you think is best for your children, and only
i know whats best for mine. if i see your child in _imminent_ danger ill
speak up. otherwise its none of my business.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:mutukvcoehhe76qgbtcig2uilg1n0lh6gh@4ax.com...
> The whole issue was not over type of vehicle, just what seat is
> generally beleived to the best place for a child in a car seat.
its exactly the same argument.
> The factory (and I suspect government required) installed sticker on
> teh passenger sunvisor on my 99tj clearly states kids 12 and under can
> be killed by the airbag
they can also be killed on their bicycle. they can also be killed in the
bath tub. they can choke on the candy bar they hid under their bed to eat
when youre asleep. they can be shot at school by a stray bullet while
simply trying to get their books out of their lockers. they can be killed
playing in your yard by the neighbors dog that got out.
should we not allow them to have bikes, or take baths, or go to school, or
play outside?
> I would rather here my kids say "I do" instead of JEEP.
are you suggesting that i wouldnt? are you suggesting that im trying to
kill my child? your statement would imply that you are somehow "better" as
a parent, because i let my daughter ride in the front seat. that suggestion
astounds me.
you do everything you can to protect your children, but you have to be
realistic. only you know what you think is best for your children, and only
i know whats best for mine. if i see your child in _imminent_ danger ill
speak up. otherwise its none of my business.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
08-29-2003, 01:15 PM
#58
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Re: back seat sucks too
My Daughter rides up front with me too, in her carseat.
Monster-in-law about had a fit when she saw it. I politely told her
to shove it. I removed the back seat about 1 month after buying my
2003 TJ and it probably won't be going back in.
John
"Nathan W. Collier" <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message news:<ZBA3b.35360$5H4.1464824@twister.southeast.rr .com>...
> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:xwA3b.915$5Z1.233@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com. ..
> > I think the SE, or Jeeps that don't come with a backseat, have a
> > passenger airbag switch. I have no idea why they took that feature away
> > from the other trimlines. Does anyone know?
>
> its still an option. doesnt really matter though. with the front seat slid
> all the way back and a front facing seat its not an issue anyway with a 2nd
> generation air bag. 1st. generation (explosive opening) air bags/kids got a
> bad rep from rear facing seats.
>
> hell, when we were growing up we did good to not have to ride on the rear
> deck. :-)
Monster-in-law about had a fit when she saw it. I politely told her
to shove it. I removed the back seat about 1 month after buying my
2003 TJ and it probably won't be going back in.
John
"Nathan W. Collier" <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message news:<ZBA3b.35360$5H4.1464824@twister.southeast.rr .com>...
> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:xwA3b.915$5Z1.233@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com. ..
> > I think the SE, or Jeeps that don't come with a backseat, have a
> > passenger airbag switch. I have no idea why they took that feature away
> > from the other trimlines. Does anyone know?
>
> its still an option. doesnt really matter though. with the front seat slid
> all the way back and a front facing seat its not an issue anyway with a 2nd
> generation air bag. 1st. generation (explosive opening) air bags/kids got a
> bad rep from rear facing seats.
>
> hell, when we were growing up we did good to not have to ride on the rear
> deck. :-)
08-29-2003, 01:15 PM
#59
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Re: back seat sucks too
My Daughter rides up front with me too, in her carseat.
Monster-in-law about had a fit when she saw it. I politely told her
to shove it. I removed the back seat about 1 month after buying my
2003 TJ and it probably won't be going back in.
John
"Nathan W. Collier" <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message news:<ZBA3b.35360$5H4.1464824@twister.southeast.rr .com>...
> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:xwA3b.915$5Z1.233@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com. ..
> > I think the SE, or Jeeps that don't come with a backseat, have a
> > passenger airbag switch. I have no idea why they took that feature away
> > from the other trimlines. Does anyone know?
>
> its still an option. doesnt really matter though. with the front seat slid
> all the way back and a front facing seat its not an issue anyway with a 2nd
> generation air bag. 1st. generation (explosive opening) air bags/kids got a
> bad rep from rear facing seats.
>
> hell, when we were growing up we did good to not have to ride on the rear
> deck. :-)
Monster-in-law about had a fit when she saw it. I politely told her
to shove it. I removed the back seat about 1 month after buying my
2003 TJ and it probably won't be going back in.
John
"Nathan W. Collier" <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message news:<ZBA3b.35360$5H4.1464824@twister.southeast.rr .com>...
> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:xwA3b.915$5Z1.233@newssvr24.news.prodigy.com. ..
> > I think the SE, or Jeeps that don't come with a backseat, have a
> > passenger airbag switch. I have no idea why they took that feature away
> > from the other trimlines. Does anyone know?
>
> its still an option. doesnt really matter though. with the front seat slid
> all the way back and a front facing seat its not an issue anyway with a 2nd
> generation air bag. 1st. generation (explosive opening) air bags/kids got a
> bad rep from rear facing seats.
>
> hell, when we were growing up we did good to not have to ride on the rear
> deck. :-)
08-29-2003, 01:37 PM
#60
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Re: back seat sucks too
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 16:55:33 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
<JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>are you suggesting that i wouldnt? are you suggesting that im trying to
>kill my child? your statement would imply that you are somehow "better" as
>a parent, because i let my daughter ride in the front seat. that suggestion
>astounds me.
>
No, No
Better NO!, Different YES, you know the thing we have a right ot be.
What astounds me is your reaction to a difference of opinion. I have
not indicated that I think I am better than you only that we have a
difference of opinion (that doesnt change ones worth or ranking)
You can have the last word, I am done with this thread, thanks its
been fun.
Gregg
1999 TJ(2.5L)
<JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>are you suggesting that i wouldnt? are you suggesting that im trying to
>kill my child? your statement would imply that you are somehow "better" as
>a parent, because i let my daughter ride in the front seat. that suggestion
>astounds me.
>
No, No
Better NO!, Different YES, you know the thing we have a right ot be.
What astounds me is your reaction to a difference of opinion. I have
not indicated that I think I am better than you only that we have a
difference of opinion (that doesnt change ones worth or ranking)
You can have the last word, I am done with this thread, thanks its
been fun.
Gregg
1999 TJ(2.5L)