Back after 2 yrs. Radiator question
04-19-2006, 03:57 PM
#1
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Re: Back after 2 yrs. Radiator question
In article <44465B9A.85B8BDE6@sympatico.ca>,
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> I currently have a two core in my 258 and it is over taxed. It will run
> really hot on hot days because I have the airflow compromised by a winch
> and two Hella Black Magic lights up front.
Aluminum or brass?
> It runs hot enough to 'fail' a fail-safe thermostat open. It doesn't
> blow over though....
> I have a fixed 4 blade fan on her but it didn't come with a shroud.
>
> I will need a custom made one with the heavier side straps and I believe
> a 3 core.
Why 3 core? As opposed to the single core.
> I have had some discussions on here about rads before and all the ones I
> have personally seen are the same size metal reservoirs or tanks on the
> top and bottom. When they go one core, they only use 1/3 of the
> available tank area. When they go 2 core, they use 2/3 of the tank area
> and the 3 core uses all the tank area.
>
> Others here in the group are under the impression that a 2 core just has
> 2 larger cores that take up the whole tank area. I have never seen
> this. All the 2 core rads I have seen have room for one more core.
>
> There is an aluminum single core rad out there with large cores, made
> for a Vette I believe.
>
> I really don't think the difference in cooling or heat conduction
> between aluminum and brass is that much different to have to put up with
> the serious corrosion issues when aluminum touches steel. Everything
> has to be isolated. Even just a bolt will burn right through the
> aluminum.
Ah. Good reason for brass. IMO.
Thanks!
--
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Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> I currently have a two core in my 258 and it is over taxed. It will run
> really hot on hot days because I have the airflow compromised by a winch
> and two Hella Black Magic lights up front.
Aluminum or brass?
> It runs hot enough to 'fail' a fail-safe thermostat open. It doesn't
> blow over though....
> I have a fixed 4 blade fan on her but it didn't come with a shroud.
>
> I will need a custom made one with the heavier side straps and I believe
> a 3 core.
Why 3 core? As opposed to the single core.
> I have had some discussions on here about rads before and all the ones I
> have personally seen are the same size metal reservoirs or tanks on the
> top and bottom. When they go one core, they only use 1/3 of the
> available tank area. When they go 2 core, they use 2/3 of the tank area
> and the 3 core uses all the tank area.
>
> Others here in the group are under the impression that a 2 core just has
> 2 larger cores that take up the whole tank area. I have never seen
> this. All the 2 core rads I have seen have room for one more core.
>
> There is an aluminum single core rad out there with large cores, made
> for a Vette I believe.
>
> I really don't think the difference in cooling or heat conduction
> between aluminum and brass is that much different to have to put up with
> the serious corrosion issues when aluminum touches steel. Everything
> has to be isolated. Even just a bolt will burn right through the
> aluminum.
Ah. Good reason for brass. IMO.
Thanks!
--
Member AAAAAAAA
American Association Against Acronym Abuse And Also Ambiguity.
04-19-2006, 04:02 PM
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Re: Back after 2 yrs. Radiator question
In article <d3274$4446862e$48313026$19986@FUSE.NET>,
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
> If there is a radiator shop in which you have confidence take the Jeep to
> them, let them inspect it, and decide what you need.
I'll havta settle for taking them the radiator, the Jeep is a bodyless
chassis right now. It runs, just without going anywhere. The radiator is
held up by a couple of straps and the hoses.
> It is, afterall, what they do for a living and a small shops only survive
> nowadays by being better 'values' than radiators-r-us. Value is the key
> word... it includes more than just price.
Makes sense.
> Options:
> Shrouds
I think this is pretty important. I still have the original.
> Two or Three row radiators
> Electric fans or dual fans
I may go with a pusher sometime in the future. Right now I just want to
get it all back together
> (I've seen dual puller fans and one pusher fan)
> Separate coolers for power steering or transmissions
Absolutely for the steering
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"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
> If there is a radiator shop in which you have confidence take the Jeep to
> them, let them inspect it, and decide what you need.
I'll havta settle for taking them the radiator, the Jeep is a bodyless
chassis right now. It runs, just without going anywhere. The radiator is
held up by a couple of straps and the hoses.
> It is, afterall, what they do for a living and a small shops only survive
> nowadays by being better 'values' than radiators-r-us. Value is the key
> word... it includes more than just price.
Makes sense.
> Options:
> Shrouds
I think this is pretty important. I still have the original.
> Two or Three row radiators
> Electric fans or dual fans
I may go with a pusher sometime in the future. Right now I just want to
get it all back together
> (I've seen dual puller fans and one pusher fan)
> Separate coolers for power steering or transmissions
Absolutely for the steering
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04-19-2006, 05:03 PM
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Re: Back after 2 yrs. Radiator question
I have a stock Jeep 2 core rad. The one with room for a 3rd core on the
tanks.
I believe the V8 came with the 3 core version of my rad so I think the
added core will hopefully give me 1/4 to 1/3 more cooling area.
My CJ7 is right at the border for trouble. I can still lower the temp
by turning on the heater which is a second rad for cooling if needed,
but is is an SOB to have to have the heat on when it is hot out....
Mike
Jeepers wrote:
>
> In article <44465B9A.85B8BDE6@sympatico.ca>,
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> > I currently have a two core in my 258 and it is over taxed. It will run
> > really hot on hot days because I have the airflow compromised by a winch
> > and two Hella Black Magic lights up front.
>
> Aluminum or brass?
>
> > It runs hot enough to 'fail' a fail-safe thermostat open. It doesn't
> > blow over though....
> > I have a fixed 4 blade fan on her but it didn't come with a shroud.
>
> >
> > I will need a custom made one with the heavier side straps and I believe
> > a 3 core.
>
> Why 3 core? As opposed to the single core.
>
> > I have had some discussions on here about rads before and all the ones I
> > have personally seen are the same size metal reservoirs or tanks on the
> > top and bottom. When they go one core, they only use 1/3 of the
> > available tank area. When they go 2 core, they use 2/3 of the tank area
> > and the 3 core uses all the tank area.
> >
> > Others here in the group are under the impression that a 2 core just has
> > 2 larger cores that take up the whole tank area. I have never seen
> > this. All the 2 core rads I have seen have room for one more core.
> >
> > There is an aluminum single core rad out there with large cores, made
> > for a Vette I believe.
> >
> > I really don't think the difference in cooling or heat conduction
> > between aluminum and brass is that much different to have to put up with
> > the serious corrosion issues when aluminum touches steel. Everything
> > has to be isolated. Even just a bolt will burn right through the
> > aluminum.
>
> Ah. Good reason for brass. IMO.
>
> Thanks!
> --
> Member AAAAAAAA
> American Association Against Acronym Abuse And Also Ambiguity.
tanks.
I believe the V8 came with the 3 core version of my rad so I think the
added core will hopefully give me 1/4 to 1/3 more cooling area.
My CJ7 is right at the border for trouble. I can still lower the temp
by turning on the heater which is a second rad for cooling if needed,
but is is an SOB to have to have the heat on when it is hot out....
Mike
Jeepers wrote:
>
> In article <44465B9A.85B8BDE6@sympatico.ca>,
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> > I currently have a two core in my 258 and it is over taxed. It will run
> > really hot on hot days because I have the airflow compromised by a winch
> > and two Hella Black Magic lights up front.
>
> Aluminum or brass?
>
> > It runs hot enough to 'fail' a fail-safe thermostat open. It doesn't
> > blow over though....
> > I have a fixed 4 blade fan on her but it didn't come with a shroud.
>
> >
> > I will need a custom made one with the heavier side straps and I believe
> > a 3 core.
>
> Why 3 core? As opposed to the single core.
>
> > I have had some discussions on here about rads before and all the ones I
> > have personally seen are the same size metal reservoirs or tanks on the
> > top and bottom. When they go one core, they only use 1/3 of the
> > available tank area. When they go 2 core, they use 2/3 of the tank area
> > and the 3 core uses all the tank area.
> >
> > Others here in the group are under the impression that a 2 core just has
> > 2 larger cores that take up the whole tank area. I have never seen
> > this. All the 2 core rads I have seen have room for one more core.
> >
> > There is an aluminum single core rad out there with large cores, made
> > for a Vette I believe.
> >
> > I really don't think the difference in cooling or heat conduction
> > between aluminum and brass is that much different to have to put up with
> > the serious corrosion issues when aluminum touches steel. Everything
> > has to be isolated. Even just a bolt will burn right through the
> > aluminum.
>
> Ah. Good reason for brass. IMO.
>
> Thanks!
> --
> Member AAAAAAAA
> American Association Against Acronym Abuse And Also Ambiguity.
04-19-2006, 06:25 PM
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Re: Back after 2 yrs. Radiator question
In article <4446A597.2DAF557D@sympatico.ca>,
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> I have a stock Jeep 2 core rad. The one with room for a 3rd core on the
> tanks.
>
> I believe the V8 came with the 3 core version of my rad so I think the
> added core will hopefully give me 1/4 to 1/3 more cooling area.
>
> My CJ7 is right at the border for trouble. I can still lower the temp
> by turning on the heater which is a second rad for cooling if needed,
> but is is an SOB to have to have the heat on when it is hot out....
>
> Mike
I was just informed that my fan clutch demands a 2 core, no room for 3rd
core.
A kludged up version of my old site is back up at:
http://home.fnbnet.net/~moomesa/
new jeep pix as soon as I get them taken and uploaded.
--
Member AAAAAAAA
American Association Against Acronym Abuse And Also Ambiguity.
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> I have a stock Jeep 2 core rad. The one with room for a 3rd core on the
> tanks.
>
> I believe the V8 came with the 3 core version of my rad so I think the
> added core will hopefully give me 1/4 to 1/3 more cooling area.
>
> My CJ7 is right at the border for trouble. I can still lower the temp
> by turning on the heater which is a second rad for cooling if needed,
> but is is an SOB to have to have the heat on when it is hot out....
>
> Mike
I was just informed that my fan clutch demands a 2 core, no room for 3rd
core.
A kludged up version of my old site is back up at:
http://home.fnbnet.net/~moomesa/
new jeep pix as soon as I get them taken and uploaded.
--
Member AAAAAAAA
American Association Against Acronym Abuse And Also Ambiguity.
04-19-2006, 06:44 PM
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Re: Back after 2 yrs. Radiator question
A shroud would make a big difference. Afaik brass and copper are better
conductors than aluminum. The chief benefit of aluminum is that it is
cheap.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44465B9A.85B8BDE6@sympatico.ca...
> I currently have a two core in my 258 and it is over taxed. It will run
> really hot on hot days because I have the airflow compromised by a winch
> and two Hella Black Magic lights up front.
>
> It runs hot enough to 'fail' a fail-safe thermostat open. It doesn't
> blow over though....
>
> I have a fixed 4 blade fan on her but it didn't come with a shroud.
>
> When I break it in half the next time, I am going to replace rather than
> fix it. I have snapped the side bars on both sides in the same spot. A
> gent from the construction across the street stopped by the other day
> and noticed the 1"x1/8" strapping I have welded on the sides and
> commented that his keeps snapping in the same spots too. We both have
> 'free standing' rads with one piece 'glass flip fronts.
>
> I will need a custom made one with the heavier side straps and I believe
> a 3 core.
>
> I have had some discussions on here about rads before and all the ones I
> have personally seen are the same size metal reservoirs or tanks on the
> top and bottom. When they go one core, they only use 1/3 of the
> available tank area. When they go 2 core, they use 2/3 of the tank area
> and the 3 core uses all the tank area.
>
> Others here in the group are under the impression that a 2 core just has
> 2 larger cores that take up the whole tank area. I have never seen
> this. All the 2 core rads I have seen have room for one more core.
>
> There is an aluminum single core rad out there with large cores, made
> for a Vette I believe.
>
> I really don't think the difference in cooling or heat conduction
> between aluminum and brass is that much different to have to put up with
> the serious corrosion issues when aluminum touches steel. Everything
> has to be isolated. Even just a bolt will burn right through the
> aluminum.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Jeepers wrote:
> >
> > In article <d1e05$4445d0d9$48313026$15550@FUSE.NET>,
> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I get mine through a small professional radiator shop in a nearby
community.
> > > If you want or need something special they will happily make it for
you if a
> > > first quality unit is not commercially available..
> >
> > I considered this. I just don't know what it is that makes a really good
> > radiator. One core, two, three, brass, aluminum,
> >
> > Hell, I considered, putting the original back on, because I had
> > confidence in it, but it is FUGLY. I guess I'll go look at it a bit more
> > closely, figure out what it is I really have...
> >
> > > Valley Radiator
> > > See:
http://jeep.cnmns.net/index.php/What...sional_Shop%22
> > >
> > > What else do I know ?
> > > Preformed radiator hoses last much longer than the
> > > "we-can-use-this-anywhere' hose
> > > Name brand hoses hold up better than ones made in Red China.
> > > Real braided hoses are incredibly strong and last almost forever but
most
> > > people just buy the braided coverings for their 'one-size-fits-all'
hoses as
> > > the real braided stainless is custom made and very expensive.
> >
> > understood
> >
> > > It sounds to me like you want to go first class with your Jeep..
> >
> > Yes I guess so. however I'm a tool guy and I view many things as tools
> > and a Jeep is one. I want it to work well and if that means the radiator
> > is made of wood -and it works very well- thats what I need.
> >
> > --
> > Member AAAAAAAA
> > American Association Against Acronym Abuse And Also Ambiguity.
conductors than aluminum. The chief benefit of aluminum is that it is
cheap.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44465B9A.85B8BDE6@sympatico.ca...
> I currently have a two core in my 258 and it is over taxed. It will run
> really hot on hot days because I have the airflow compromised by a winch
> and two Hella Black Magic lights up front.
>
> It runs hot enough to 'fail' a fail-safe thermostat open. It doesn't
> blow over though....
>
> I have a fixed 4 blade fan on her but it didn't come with a shroud.
>
> When I break it in half the next time, I am going to replace rather than
> fix it. I have snapped the side bars on both sides in the same spot. A
> gent from the construction across the street stopped by the other day
> and noticed the 1"x1/8" strapping I have welded on the sides and
> commented that his keeps snapping in the same spots too. We both have
> 'free standing' rads with one piece 'glass flip fronts.
>
> I will need a custom made one with the heavier side straps and I believe
> a 3 core.
>
> I have had some discussions on here about rads before and all the ones I
> have personally seen are the same size metal reservoirs or tanks on the
> top and bottom. When they go one core, they only use 1/3 of the
> available tank area. When they go 2 core, they use 2/3 of the tank area
> and the 3 core uses all the tank area.
>
> Others here in the group are under the impression that a 2 core just has
> 2 larger cores that take up the whole tank area. I have never seen
> this. All the 2 core rads I have seen have room for one more core.
>
> There is an aluminum single core rad out there with large cores, made
> for a Vette I believe.
>
> I really don't think the difference in cooling or heat conduction
> between aluminum and brass is that much different to have to put up with
> the serious corrosion issues when aluminum touches steel. Everything
> has to be isolated. Even just a bolt will burn right through the
> aluminum.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Jeepers wrote:
> >
> > In article <d1e05$4445d0d9$48313026$15550@FUSE.NET>,
> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I get mine through a small professional radiator shop in a nearby
community.
> > > If you want or need something special they will happily make it for
you if a
> > > first quality unit is not commercially available..
> >
> > I considered this. I just don't know what it is that makes a really good
> > radiator. One core, two, three, brass, aluminum,
> >
> > Hell, I considered, putting the original back on, because I had
> > confidence in it, but it is FUGLY. I guess I'll go look at it a bit more
> > closely, figure out what it is I really have...
> >
> > > Valley Radiator
> > > See:
http://jeep.cnmns.net/index.php/What...sional_Shop%22
> > >
> > > What else do I know ?
> > > Preformed radiator hoses last much longer than the
> > > "we-can-use-this-anywhere' hose
> > > Name brand hoses hold up better than ones made in Red China.
> > > Real braided hoses are incredibly strong and last almost forever but
most
> > > people just buy the braided coverings for their 'one-size-fits-all'
hoses as
> > > the real braided stainless is custom made and very expensive.
> >
> > understood
> >
> > > It sounds to me like you want to go first class with your Jeep..
> >
> > Yes I guess so. however I'm a tool guy and I view many things as tools
> > and a Jeep is one. I want it to work well and if that means the radiator
> > is made of wood -and it works very well- thats what I need.
> >
> > --
> > Member AAAAAAAA
> > American Association Against Acronym Abuse And Also Ambiguity.
04-19-2006, 07:46 PM
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Re: Back after 2 yrs. Radiator question
I've never heard of that, on all Jeeps I'm familiar with the shroud
makes it possible to move the fan at least two inches away from the
core. Aren't you in Texas? two core will be on the ragged edge of
cooking your engine.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeepers wrote:
>
> I was just informed that my fan clutch demands a 2 core, no room for 3rd
> core.
>
> A kludged up version of my old site is back up at:
> http://home.fnbnet.net/~moomesa/
> new jeep pix as soon as I get them taken and uploaded.
>
> --
> Member AAAAAAAA
> American Association Against Acronym Abuse And Also Ambiguity.
makes it possible to move the fan at least two inches away from the
core. Aren't you in Texas? two core will be on the ragged edge of
cooking your engine.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeepers wrote:
>
> I was just informed that my fan clutch demands a 2 core, no room for 3rd
> core.
>
> A kludged up version of my old site is back up at:
> http://home.fnbnet.net/~moomesa/
> new jeep pix as soon as I get them taken and uploaded.
>
> --
> Member AAAAAAAA
> American Association Against Acronym Abuse And Also Ambiguity.
04-19-2006, 08:00 PM
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Re: Back after 2 yrs. Radiator question
There is nothing stopping you from getting a short snout emissions
clutch fan that would fit say the V8 engine or you could even go retro
with a fixed 4 blade like I run in my 86.
Mike
Jeepers wrote:
>
> In article <4446A597.2DAF557D@sympatico.ca>,
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> > I have a stock Jeep 2 core rad. The one with room for a 3rd core on the
> > tanks.
> >
> > I believe the V8 came with the 3 core version of my rad so I think the
> > added core will hopefully give me 1/4 to 1/3 more cooling area.
> >
> > My CJ7 is right at the border for trouble. I can still lower the temp
> > by turning on the heater which is a second rad for cooling if needed,
> > but is is an SOB to have to have the heat on when it is hot out....
> >
> > Mike
>
> I was just informed that my fan clutch demands a 2 core, no room for 3rd
> core.
>
> A kludged up version of my old site is back up at:
> http://home.fnbnet.net/~moomesa/
> new jeep pix as soon as I get them taken and uploaded.
>
> --
> Member AAAAAAAA
> American Association Against Acronym Abuse And Also Ambiguity.
clutch fan that would fit say the V8 engine or you could even go retro
with a fixed 4 blade like I run in my 86.
Mike
Jeepers wrote:
>
> In article <4446A597.2DAF557D@sympatico.ca>,
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> > I have a stock Jeep 2 core rad. The one with room for a 3rd core on the
> > tanks.
> >
> > I believe the V8 came with the 3 core version of my rad so I think the
> > added core will hopefully give me 1/4 to 1/3 more cooling area.
> >
> > My CJ7 is right at the border for trouble. I can still lower the temp
> > by turning on the heater which is a second rad for cooling if needed,
> > but is is an SOB to have to have the heat on when it is hot out....
> >
> > Mike
>
> I was just informed that my fan clutch demands a 2 core, no room for 3rd
> core.
>
> A kludged up version of my old site is back up at:
> http://home.fnbnet.net/~moomesa/
> new jeep pix as soon as I get them taken and uploaded.
>
> --
> Member AAAAAAAA
> American Association Against Acronym Abuse And Also Ambiguity.
04-19-2006, 08:56 PM
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Re: Back after 2 yrs. Radiator question
In article <4446bdff$0$14922$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com >,
"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
> A shroud would make a big difference. Afaik brass and copper are better
> conductors than aluminum. The chief benefit of aluminum is that it is
> cheap.
>
> Earle
Thanks. Food for thought.
--
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"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
> A shroud would make a big difference. Afaik brass and copper are better
> conductors than aluminum. The chief benefit of aluminum is that it is
> cheap.
>
> Earle
Thanks. Food for thought.
--
Member AAAAAAAA
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04-19-2006, 08:56 PM
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Re: Back after 2 yrs. Radiator question
In article <4446bdff$0$14922$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com >,
"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
> A shroud would make a big difference. Afaik brass and copper are better
> conductors than aluminum. The chief benefit of aluminum is that it is
> cheap.
>
> Earle
Thanks. Food for thought.
--
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"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
> A shroud would make a big difference. Afaik brass and copper are better
> conductors than aluminum. The chief benefit of aluminum is that it is
> cheap.
>
> Earle
Thanks. Food for thought.
--
Member AAAAAAAA
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04-19-2006, 08:56 PM
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Re: Back after 2 yrs. Radiator question
In article <4446bdff$0$14922$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com >,
"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
> A shroud would make a big difference. Afaik brass and copper are better
> conductors than aluminum. The chief benefit of aluminum is that it is
> cheap.
>
> Earle
Thanks. Food for thought.
--
Member AAAAAAAA
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"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
> A shroud would make a big difference. Afaik brass and copper are better
> conductors than aluminum. The chief benefit of aluminum is that it is
> cheap.
>
> Earle
Thanks. Food for thought.
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