TJim

The short answer is "yes". You can get good torque through a torque
converter even at 0 mph. The fact that you can effectively run your engine
rpm up a little bit gives you the same advantage as lower gearing... to a
point.

--
Jim
--
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98



"D McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Nt2ib.45779$5r1.17777@twister.southeast.rr.co m...
> Someone who understands the operation of the Torque converter answer a
> question for me. Take a Jeep with a 4.0l. This jeep has 5.38 gears and a
> 2.72 transfer case (231 or 242). If you have a AX-15 5-speed with a 3.8
1st
> gear ratio and a 42re 4-speed automatic with a 2.7 1st gear, you can do
the
> math and by numeric value the AX-15 has the better crawl. But here is my
> question....Does the torque converter come into play so that you are
> effectively getting a decent crawl with the automatic even though the
manual
> has the lower first gear? Pardon my ignorance.
>
>
>
> --
> Daren McMorris
> 95 YJ
> 4 Banger with Header and Exhaust, 4.0l Throttle Body
> Adjustable MAP Sensor, MSD 6A
> Dana 44's with 5.38 gears Detroit Rear, Lockright Front
> Rino tub, Throttle, Dual Batteries, 35" SSR's, On Board Air
>
>

TJim

The short answer is "yes". You can get good torque through a torque
converter even at 0 mph. The fact that you can effectively run your engine
rpm up a little bit gives you the same advantage as lower gearing... to a
point.

--
Jim
--
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98



"D McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Nt2ib.45779$5r1.17777@twister.southeast.rr.co m...
> Someone who understands the operation of the Torque converter answer a
> question for me. Take a Jeep with a 4.0l. This jeep has 5.38 gears and a
> 2.72 transfer case (231 or 242). If you have a AX-15 5-speed with a 3.8
1st
> gear ratio and a 42re 4-speed automatic with a 2.7 1st gear, you can do
the
> math and by numeric value the AX-15 has the better crawl. But here is my
> question....Does the torque converter come into play so that you are
> effectively getting a decent crawl with the automatic even though the
manual
> has the lower first gear? Pardon my ignorance.
>
>
>
> --
> Daren McMorris
> 95 YJ
> 4 Banger with Header and Exhaust, 4.0l Throttle Body
> Adjustable MAP Sensor, MSD 6A
> Dana 44's with 5.38 gears Detroit Rear, Lockright Front
> Rino tub, Throttle, Dual Batteries, 35" SSR's, On Board Air
>
>

TJim

The short answer is "yes". You can get good torque through a torque
converter even at 0 mph. The fact that you can effectively run your engine
rpm up a little bit gives you the same advantage as lower gearing... to a
point.

--
Jim
--
98 TJ SE
90 SJ GW
http://www.delawareja.com/gallery/JDJeep98



"D McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Nt2ib.45779$5r1.17777@twister.southeast.rr.co m...
> Someone who understands the operation of the Torque converter answer a
> question for me. Take a Jeep with a 4.0l. This jeep has 5.38 gears and a
> 2.72 transfer case (231 or 242). If you have a AX-15 5-speed with a 3.8
1st
> gear ratio and a 42re 4-speed automatic with a 2.7 1st gear, you can do
the
> math and by numeric value the AX-15 has the better crawl. But here is my
> question....Does the torque converter come into play so that you are
> effectively getting a decent crawl with the automatic even though the
manual
> has the lower first gear? Pardon my ignorance.
>
>
>
> --
> Daren McMorris
> 95 YJ
> 4 Banger with Header and Exhaust, 4.0l Throttle Body
> Adjustable MAP Sensor, MSD 6A
> Dana 44's with 5.38 gears Detroit Rear, Lockright Front
> Rino tub, Throttle, Dual Batteries, 35" SSR's, On Board Air
>
>

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Your flip definition is the same as my "Clock". The Dana 300 is
normally in the four o'clock position stock, but can be clocked to the
eight o'clock position for your application, or any other position that
you drill holes at: http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/xfer/tindex/ or the
adapter plate has:
http://www.rockcrawler.com/techrepor..._kit/index.asp
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

D McMorris wrote:
>
> Isn't that what the flip kit does. When you clock it you are only turning
> it up to get rid of the portion that hangs down lower your ground clearance.
> The flip kit is the only way I know to get it to come out on the drivers
> side.
>
> D

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Your flip definition is the same as my "Clock". The Dana 300 is
normally in the four o'clock position stock, but can be clocked to the
eight o'clock position for your application, or any other position that
you drill holes at: http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/xfer/tindex/ or the
adapter plate has:
http://www.rockcrawler.com/techrepor..._kit/index.asp
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

D McMorris wrote:
>
> Isn't that what the flip kit does. When you clock it you are only turning
> it up to get rid of the portion that hangs down lower your ground clearance.
> The flip kit is the only way I know to get it to come out on the drivers
> side.
>
> D

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Your flip definition is the same as my "Clock". The Dana 300 is
normally in the four o'clock position stock, but can be clocked to the
eight o'clock position for your application, or any other position that
you drill holes at: http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/xfer/tindex/ or the
adapter plate has:
http://www.rockcrawler.com/techrepor..._kit/index.asp
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

D McMorris wrote:
>
> Isn't that what the flip kit does. When you clock it you are only turning
> it up to get rid of the portion that hangs down lower your ground clearance.
> The flip kit is the only way I know to get it to come out on the drivers
> side.
>
> D

Jeff Strickland

The Crawl Ratio is a number that says how slow you can go without fear of
stalling. An automatic can not stall, therefore in has an infinite Crawl
Ratio. You can twist the motor out of an automatic equipped Jeep with very
low gearing and a very high crawl ratio because the brakes may not be able
to overpower the engine. I have heard of some drivers with autos that must
shift into N when they actually want to stop.



"D McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Nt2ib.45779$5r1.17777@twister.southeast.rr.co m...
> Someone who understands the operation of the Torque converter answer a
> question for me. Take a Jeep with a 4.0l. This jeep has 5.38 gears and a
> 2.72 transfer case (231 or 242). If you have a AX-15 5-speed with a 3.8
1st
> gear ratio and a 42re 4-speed automatic with a 2.7 1st gear, you can do
the
> math and by numeric value the AX-15 has the better crawl. But here is my
> question....Does the torque converter come into play so that you are
> effectively getting a decent crawl with the automatic even though the
manual
> has the lower first gear? Pardon my ignorance.
>
>
>
> --
> Daren McMorris
> 95 YJ
> 4 Banger with Header and Exhaust, 4.0l Throttle Body
> Adjustable MAP Sensor, MSD 6A
> Dana 44's with 5.38 gears Detroit Rear, Lockright Front
> Rino tub, Throttle, Dual Batteries, 35" SSR's, On Board Air
>
>

Jeff Strickland

The Crawl Ratio is a number that says how slow you can go without fear of
stalling. An automatic can not stall, therefore in has an infinite Crawl
Ratio. You can twist the motor out of an automatic equipped Jeep with very
low gearing and a very high crawl ratio because the brakes may not be able
to overpower the engine. I have heard of some drivers with autos that must
shift into N when they actually want to stop.



"D McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Nt2ib.45779$5r1.17777@twister.southeast.rr.co m...
> Someone who understands the operation of the Torque converter answer a
> question for me. Take a Jeep with a 4.0l. This jeep has 5.38 gears and a
> 2.72 transfer case (231 or 242). If you have a AX-15 5-speed with a 3.8
1st
> gear ratio and a 42re 4-speed automatic with a 2.7 1st gear, you can do
the
> math and by numeric value the AX-15 has the better crawl. But here is my
> question....Does the torque converter come into play so that you are
> effectively getting a decent crawl with the automatic even though the
manual
> has the lower first gear? Pardon my ignorance.
>
>
>
> --
> Daren McMorris
> 95 YJ
> 4 Banger with Header and Exhaust, 4.0l Throttle Body
> Adjustable MAP Sensor, MSD 6A
> Dana 44's with 5.38 gears Detroit Rear, Lockright Front
> Rino tub, Throttle, Dual Batteries, 35" SSR's, On Board Air
>
>

Jeff Strickland

The Crawl Ratio is a number that says how slow you can go without fear of
stalling. An automatic can not stall, therefore in has an infinite Crawl
Ratio. You can twist the motor out of an automatic equipped Jeep with very
low gearing and a very high crawl ratio because the brakes may not be able
to overpower the engine. I have heard of some drivers with autos that must
shift into N when they actually want to stop.



"D McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Nt2ib.45779$5r1.17777@twister.southeast.rr.co m...
> Someone who understands the operation of the Torque converter answer a
> question for me. Take a Jeep with a 4.0l. This jeep has 5.38 gears and a
> 2.72 transfer case (231 or 242). If you have a AX-15 5-speed with a 3.8
1st
> gear ratio and a 42re 4-speed automatic with a 2.7 1st gear, you can do
the
> math and by numeric value the AX-15 has the better crawl. But here is my
> question....Does the torque converter come into play so that you are
> effectively getting a decent crawl with the automatic even though the
manual
> has the lower first gear? Pardon my ignorance.
>
>
>
> --
> Daren McMorris
> 95 YJ
> 4 Banger with Header and Exhaust, 4.0l Throttle Body
> Adjustable MAP Sensor, MSD 6A
> Dana 44's with 5.38 gears Detroit Rear, Lockright Front
> Rino tub, Throttle, Dual Batteries, 35" SSR's, On Board Air
>
>

D McMorris

We are talking about the same thing bill. So my statement about expense
comes into play. Maybe the 300 after I explode the 242.

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F8AC459.44C1C3C7@***.net...
> Your flip definition is the same as my "Clock". The Dana 300 is
> normally in the four o'clock position stock, but can be clocked to the
> eight o'clock position for your application, or any other position that
> you drill holes at: http://www.4x4wire.com/jeep/tech/xfer/tindex/ or the
> adapter plate has:
> http://www.rockcrawler.com/techrepor..._kit/index.asp
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> D McMorris wrote:
> >
> > Isn't that what the flip kit does. When you clock it you are only
turning
> > it up to get rid of the portion that hangs down lower your ground
clearance.
> > The flip kit is the only way I know to get it to come out on the drivers
> > side.
> >
> > D