Auto vs. Manual Transmission Question
10-11-2003, 09:52 PM
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Auto vs. Manual Transmission Question
Someone who understands the operation of the Torque converter answer a
question for me. Take a Jeep with a 4.0l. This jeep has 5.38 gears and a
2.72 transfer case (231 or 242). If you have a AX-15 5-speed with a 3.8 1st
gear ratio and a 42re 4-speed automatic with a 2.7 1st gear, you can do the
math and by numeric value the AX-15 has the better crawl. But here is my
question....Does the torque converter come into play so that you are
effectively getting a decent crawl with the automatic even though the manual
has the lower first gear? Pardon my ignorance.
--
Daren McMorris
95 YJ
4 Banger with Header and Exhaust, 4.0l Throttle Body
Adjustable MAP Sensor, MSD 6A
Dana 44's with 5.38 gears Detroit Rear, Lockright Front
Rino tub, Throttle, Dual Batteries, 35" SSR's, On Board Air
question for me. Take a Jeep with a 4.0l. This jeep has 5.38 gears and a
2.72 transfer case (231 or 242). If you have a AX-15 5-speed with a 3.8 1st
gear ratio and a 42re 4-speed automatic with a 2.7 1st gear, you can do the
math and by numeric value the AX-15 has the better crawl. But here is my
question....Does the torque converter come into play so that you are
effectively getting a decent crawl with the automatic even though the manual
has the lower first gear? Pardon my ignorance.
--
Daren McMorris
95 YJ
4 Banger with Header and Exhaust, 4.0l Throttle Body
Adjustable MAP Sensor, MSD 6A
Dana 44's with 5.38 gears Detroit Rear, Lockright Front
Rino tub, Throttle, Dual Batteries, 35" SSR's, On Board Air
10-11-2003, 10:02 PM
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Re: Auto vs. Manual Transmission Question
You will have an unusual setup with those 5.38 gears (normally reserved for
the 4 bangers!)... but as I understand the automatic gives you a virtual low
gear... only as fast as the skinny pedal makes it.
BTW there is no excuse for your ignorance!
--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
the 4 bangers!)... but as I understand the automatic gives you a virtual low
gear... only as fast as the skinny pedal makes it.
BTW there is no excuse for your ignorance!
--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
10-11-2003, 10:02 PM
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Re: Auto vs. Manual Transmission Question
You will have an unusual setup with those 5.38 gears (normally reserved for
the 4 bangers!)... but as I understand the automatic gives you a virtual low
gear... only as fast as the skinny pedal makes it.
BTW there is no excuse for your ignorance!
--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
the 4 bangers!)... but as I understand the automatic gives you a virtual low
gear... only as fast as the skinny pedal makes it.
BTW there is no excuse for your ignorance!
--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
10-11-2003, 10:02 PM
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Re: Auto vs. Manual Transmission Question
You will have an unusual setup with those 5.38 gears (normally reserved for
the 4 bangers!)... but as I understand the automatic gives you a virtual low
gear... only as fast as the skinny pedal makes it.
BTW there is no excuse for your ignorance!
--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
the 4 bangers!)... but as I understand the automatic gives you a virtual low
gear... only as fast as the skinny pedal makes it.
BTW there is no excuse for your ignorance!
--
JimG
80' CJ-7 258 CID
35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
10-11-2003, 10:08 PM
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Re: Auto vs. Manual Transmission Question
Most torque converters slip at about a two to one reduction, that's
what gives the Cherokee automatic the five thousand pound tow rating
over the stick two.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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D McMorris wrote:
>
> Someone who understands the operation of the Torque converter answer a
> question for me. Take a Jeep with a 4.0l. This jeep has 5.38 gears and a
> 2.72 transfer case (231 or 242). If you have a AX-15 5-speed with a 3.8 1st
> gear ratio and a 42re 4-speed automatic with a 2.7 1st gear, you can do the
> math and by numeric value the AX-15 has the better crawl. But here is my
> question....Does the torque converter come into play so that you are
> effectively getting a decent crawl with the automatic even though the manual
> has the lower first gear? Pardon my ignorance.
>
> --
> Daren McMorris
> 95 YJ
> 4 Banger with Header and Exhaust, 4.0l Throttle Body
> Adjustable MAP Sensor, MSD 6A
> Dana 44's with 5.38 gears Detroit Rear, Lockright Front
> Rino tub, Throttle, Dual Batteries, 35" SSR's, On Board Air
what gives the Cherokee automatic the five thousand pound tow rating
over the stick two.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
D McMorris wrote:
>
> Someone who understands the operation of the Torque converter answer a
> question for me. Take a Jeep with a 4.0l. This jeep has 5.38 gears and a
> 2.72 transfer case (231 or 242). If you have a AX-15 5-speed with a 3.8 1st
> gear ratio and a 42re 4-speed automatic with a 2.7 1st gear, you can do the
> math and by numeric value the AX-15 has the better crawl. But here is my
> question....Does the torque converter come into play so that you are
> effectively getting a decent crawl with the automatic even though the manual
> has the lower first gear? Pardon my ignorance.
>
> --
> Daren McMorris
> 95 YJ
> 4 Banger with Header and Exhaust, 4.0l Throttle Body
> Adjustable MAP Sensor, MSD 6A
> Dana 44's with 5.38 gears Detroit Rear, Lockright Front
> Rino tub, Throttle, Dual Batteries, 35" SSR's, On Board Air
10-11-2003, 10:08 PM
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Re: Auto vs. Manual Transmission Question
Most torque converters slip at about a two to one reduction, that's
what gives the Cherokee automatic the five thousand pound tow rating
over the stick two.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
D McMorris wrote:
>
> Someone who understands the operation of the Torque converter answer a
> question for me. Take a Jeep with a 4.0l. This jeep has 5.38 gears and a
> 2.72 transfer case (231 or 242). If you have a AX-15 5-speed with a 3.8 1st
> gear ratio and a 42re 4-speed automatic with a 2.7 1st gear, you can do the
> math and by numeric value the AX-15 has the better crawl. But here is my
> question....Does the torque converter come into play so that you are
> effectively getting a decent crawl with the automatic even though the manual
> has the lower first gear? Pardon my ignorance.
>
> --
> Daren McMorris
> 95 YJ
> 4 Banger with Header and Exhaust, 4.0l Throttle Body
> Adjustable MAP Sensor, MSD 6A
> Dana 44's with 5.38 gears Detroit Rear, Lockright Front
> Rino tub, Throttle, Dual Batteries, 35" SSR's, On Board Air
what gives the Cherokee automatic the five thousand pound tow rating
over the stick two.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
D McMorris wrote:
>
> Someone who understands the operation of the Torque converter answer a
> question for me. Take a Jeep with a 4.0l. This jeep has 5.38 gears and a
> 2.72 transfer case (231 or 242). If you have a AX-15 5-speed with a 3.8 1st
> gear ratio and a 42re 4-speed automatic with a 2.7 1st gear, you can do the
> math and by numeric value the AX-15 has the better crawl. But here is my
> question....Does the torque converter come into play so that you are
> effectively getting a decent crawl with the automatic even though the manual
> has the lower first gear? Pardon my ignorance.
>
> --
> Daren McMorris
> 95 YJ
> 4 Banger with Header and Exhaust, 4.0l Throttle Body
> Adjustable MAP Sensor, MSD 6A
> Dana 44's with 5.38 gears Detroit Rear, Lockright Front
> Rino tub, Throttle, Dual Batteries, 35" SSR's, On Board Air
10-11-2003, 10:08 PM
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Re: Auto vs. Manual Transmission Question
Most torque converters slip at about a two to one reduction, that's
what gives the Cherokee automatic the five thousand pound tow rating
over the stick two.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
D McMorris wrote:
>
> Someone who understands the operation of the Torque converter answer a
> question for me. Take a Jeep with a 4.0l. This jeep has 5.38 gears and a
> 2.72 transfer case (231 or 242). If you have a AX-15 5-speed with a 3.8 1st
> gear ratio and a 42re 4-speed automatic with a 2.7 1st gear, you can do the
> math and by numeric value the AX-15 has the better crawl. But here is my
> question....Does the torque converter come into play so that you are
> effectively getting a decent crawl with the automatic even though the manual
> has the lower first gear? Pardon my ignorance.
>
> --
> Daren McMorris
> 95 YJ
> 4 Banger with Header and Exhaust, 4.0l Throttle Body
> Adjustable MAP Sensor, MSD 6A
> Dana 44's with 5.38 gears Detroit Rear, Lockright Front
> Rino tub, Throttle, Dual Batteries, 35" SSR's, On Board Air
what gives the Cherokee automatic the five thousand pound tow rating
over the stick two.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
D McMorris wrote:
>
> Someone who understands the operation of the Torque converter answer a
> question for me. Take a Jeep with a 4.0l. This jeep has 5.38 gears and a
> 2.72 transfer case (231 or 242). If you have a AX-15 5-speed with a 3.8 1st
> gear ratio and a 42re 4-speed automatic with a 2.7 1st gear, you can do the
> math and by numeric value the AX-15 has the better crawl. But here is my
> question....Does the torque converter come into play so that you are
> effectively getting a decent crawl with the automatic even though the manual
> has the lower first gear? Pardon my ignorance.
>
> --
> Daren McMorris
> 95 YJ
> 4 Banger with Header and Exhaust, 4.0l Throttle Body
> Adjustable MAP Sensor, MSD 6A
> Dana 44's with 5.38 gears Detroit Rear, Lockright Front
> Rino tub, Throttle, Dual Batteries, 35" SSR's, On Board Air
10-11-2003, 10:16 PM
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Re: Auto vs. Manual Transmission Question
You said "You will have an unusual setup with those 5.38 gears"
That tells me he took the Dana 44s from a Real Jeep.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
JimG wrote:
>
> You will have an unusual setup with those 5.38 gears (normally reserved for
> the 4 bangers!)... but as I understand the automatic gives you a virtual low
> gear... only as fast as the skinny pedal makes it.
> BTW there is no excuse for your ignorance!
>
> --
> JimG
> 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
That tells me he took the Dana 44s from a Real Jeep.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
JimG wrote:
>
> You will have an unusual setup with those 5.38 gears (normally reserved for
> the 4 bangers!)... but as I understand the automatic gives you a virtual low
> gear... only as fast as the skinny pedal makes it.
> BTW there is no excuse for your ignorance!
>
> --
> JimG
> 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
10-11-2003, 10:16 PM
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Re: Auto vs. Manual Transmission Question
You said "You will have an unusual setup with those 5.38 gears"
That tells me he took the Dana 44s from a Real Jeep.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
JimG wrote:
>
> You will have an unusual setup with those 5.38 gears (normally reserved for
> the 4 bangers!)... but as I understand the automatic gives you a virtual low
> gear... only as fast as the skinny pedal makes it.
> BTW there is no excuse for your ignorance!
>
> --
> JimG
> 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
That tells me he took the Dana 44s from a Real Jeep.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
JimG wrote:
>
> You will have an unusual setup with those 5.38 gears (normally reserved for
> the 4 bangers!)... but as I understand the automatic gives you a virtual low
> gear... only as fast as the skinny pedal makes it.
> BTW there is no excuse for your ignorance!
>
> --
> JimG
> 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
10-11-2003, 10:16 PM
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Re: Auto vs. Manual Transmission Question
You said "You will have an unusual setup with those 5.38 gears"
That tells me he took the Dana 44s from a Real Jeep.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
JimG wrote:
>
> You will have an unusual setup with those 5.38 gears (normally reserved for
> the 4 bangers!)... but as I understand the automatic gives you a virtual low
> gear... only as fast as the skinny pedal makes it.
> BTW there is no excuse for your ignorance!
>
> --
> JimG
> 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries
That tells me he took the Dana 44s from a Real Jeep.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
JimG wrote:
>
> You will have an unusual setup with those 5.38 gears (normally reserved for
> the 4 bangers!)... but as I understand the automatic gives you a virtual low
> gear... only as fast as the skinny pedal makes it.
> BTW there is no excuse for your ignorance!
>
> --
> JimG
> 80' CJ-7 258 CID
> 35" BFG MT on 15x10 Centerlines
> D44 Rear, Dana 30 Front. SOA
> 4.56 Gears, LockRight F&R
> Dana 300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> Warn X8000i w/ dual batteries