Anyone have a lift in their garage?
05-07-2004, 07:44 PM
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Anyone have a lift in their garage?
Hey Everyone,
By the end of the year i should have my own house. It's been my mom's, but
she's moving into my recently-deceased grandparents house. There won't be much
of a purchase price, but i do want a loan to make some improvements, mostly for
a garage, and a big one at that. I think i settled on a three-car like a buddy
had built. 40' X 60', plenty of room inside. I'd also like a concrete pad in
front and off to one side. And i want a lift. I'm tired of crawling and
sliding under things. Especially after i worked in a few shops and i realized
how much easier a lift makes things.
What i'm not sure of is what type. 2-post or 4? Sources? I have a friend
who deals in Snap-On i want to talk to. Also enough contacts at part stores
who can get me jobber pricing.
Ideas? Experiences?
Thanks,
Don W
By the end of the year i should have my own house. It's been my mom's, but
she's moving into my recently-deceased grandparents house. There won't be much
of a purchase price, but i do want a loan to make some improvements, mostly for
a garage, and a big one at that. I think i settled on a three-car like a buddy
had built. 40' X 60', plenty of room inside. I'd also like a concrete pad in
front and off to one side. And i want a lift. I'm tired of crawling and
sliding under things. Especially after i worked in a few shops and i realized
how much easier a lift makes things.
What i'm not sure of is what type. 2-post or 4? Sources? I have a friend
who deals in Snap-On i want to talk to. Also enough contacts at part stores
who can get me jobber pricing.
Ideas? Experiences?
Thanks,
Don W
05-07-2004, 07:59 PM
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Re: Anyone have a lift in their garage?
Don Wallish did pass the time by typing:
> Hey Everyone,
> By the end of the year i should have my own house. It's been my mom's, but
> she's moving into my recently-deceased grandparents house. There won't be
> much of a purchase price, but i do want a loan to make some improvements,
> mostly for a garage, and a big one at that. I think i settled on a three-car
> like a buddy had built. 40' X 60', plenty of room inside. I'd also like a
> concrete pad in front and off to one side. And i want a lift. I'm tired of
> crawling and sliding under things. Especially after i worked in a few shops
> and i realized how much easier a lift makes things.
> What i'm not sure of is what type. 2-post or 4? Sources? I have a friend
> who deals in Snap-On i want to talk to. Also enough contacts at part stores
> who can get me jobber pricing.
> Ideas? Experiences?
All depends on what you want to do. The two post models give you access to
both axles and the underbelly without any real interference but are a bit
more of a balancing act than four post/ramp style jacks. The four posts
are good for working on frame and axles but getting under the vehicle is
a pain in the butt and you need seperate axle jacks. Those are more for
alignment and suspension shops. Plus if you have big tires the frame jacks
on the four post might not reach without blocking.
I'd go with a two post model myself.
--
DougW
> Hey Everyone,
> By the end of the year i should have my own house. It's been my mom's, but
> she's moving into my recently-deceased grandparents house. There won't be
> much of a purchase price, but i do want a loan to make some improvements,
> mostly for a garage, and a big one at that. I think i settled on a three-car
> like a buddy had built. 40' X 60', plenty of room inside. I'd also like a
> concrete pad in front and off to one side. And i want a lift. I'm tired of
> crawling and sliding under things. Especially after i worked in a few shops
> and i realized how much easier a lift makes things.
> What i'm not sure of is what type. 2-post or 4? Sources? I have a friend
> who deals in Snap-On i want to talk to. Also enough contacts at part stores
> who can get me jobber pricing.
> Ideas? Experiences?
All depends on what you want to do. The two post models give you access to
both axles and the underbelly without any real interference but are a bit
more of a balancing act than four post/ramp style jacks. The four posts
are good for working on frame and axles but getting under the vehicle is
a pain in the butt and you need seperate axle jacks. Those are more for
alignment and suspension shops. Plus if you have big tires the frame jacks
on the four post might not reach without blocking.
I'd go with a two post model myself.
--
DougW
05-07-2004, 07:59 PM
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Re: Anyone have a lift in their garage?
Don Wallish did pass the time by typing:
> Hey Everyone,
> By the end of the year i should have my own house. It's been my mom's, but
> she's moving into my recently-deceased grandparents house. There won't be
> much of a purchase price, but i do want a loan to make some improvements,
> mostly for a garage, and a big one at that. I think i settled on a three-car
> like a buddy had built. 40' X 60', plenty of room inside. I'd also like a
> concrete pad in front and off to one side. And i want a lift. I'm tired of
> crawling and sliding under things. Especially after i worked in a few shops
> and i realized how much easier a lift makes things.
> What i'm not sure of is what type. 2-post or 4? Sources? I have a friend
> who deals in Snap-On i want to talk to. Also enough contacts at part stores
> who can get me jobber pricing.
> Ideas? Experiences?
All depends on what you want to do. The two post models give you access to
both axles and the underbelly without any real interference but are a bit
more of a balancing act than four post/ramp style jacks. The four posts
are good for working on frame and axles but getting under the vehicle is
a pain in the butt and you need seperate axle jacks. Those are more for
alignment and suspension shops. Plus if you have big tires the frame jacks
on the four post might not reach without blocking.
I'd go with a two post model myself.
--
DougW
> Hey Everyone,
> By the end of the year i should have my own house. It's been my mom's, but
> she's moving into my recently-deceased grandparents house. There won't be
> much of a purchase price, but i do want a loan to make some improvements,
> mostly for a garage, and a big one at that. I think i settled on a three-car
> like a buddy had built. 40' X 60', plenty of room inside. I'd also like a
> concrete pad in front and off to one side. And i want a lift. I'm tired of
> crawling and sliding under things. Especially after i worked in a few shops
> and i realized how much easier a lift makes things.
> What i'm not sure of is what type. 2-post or 4? Sources? I have a friend
> who deals in Snap-On i want to talk to. Also enough contacts at part stores
> who can get me jobber pricing.
> Ideas? Experiences?
All depends on what you want to do. The two post models give you access to
both axles and the underbelly without any real interference but are a bit
more of a balancing act than four post/ramp style jacks. The four posts
are good for working on frame and axles but getting under the vehicle is
a pain in the butt and you need seperate axle jacks. Those are more for
alignment and suspension shops. Plus if you have big tires the frame jacks
on the four post might not reach without blocking.
I'd go with a two post model myself.
--
DougW
05-07-2004, 07:59 PM
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Re: Anyone have a lift in their garage?
Don Wallish did pass the time by typing:
> Hey Everyone,
> By the end of the year i should have my own house. It's been my mom's, but
> she's moving into my recently-deceased grandparents house. There won't be
> much of a purchase price, but i do want a loan to make some improvements,
> mostly for a garage, and a big one at that. I think i settled on a three-car
> like a buddy had built. 40' X 60', plenty of room inside. I'd also like a
> concrete pad in front and off to one side. And i want a lift. I'm tired of
> crawling and sliding under things. Especially after i worked in a few shops
> and i realized how much easier a lift makes things.
> What i'm not sure of is what type. 2-post or 4? Sources? I have a friend
> who deals in Snap-On i want to talk to. Also enough contacts at part stores
> who can get me jobber pricing.
> Ideas? Experiences?
All depends on what you want to do. The two post models give you access to
both axles and the underbelly without any real interference but are a bit
more of a balancing act than four post/ramp style jacks. The four posts
are good for working on frame and axles but getting under the vehicle is
a pain in the butt and you need seperate axle jacks. Those are more for
alignment and suspension shops. Plus if you have big tires the frame jacks
on the four post might not reach without blocking.
I'd go with a two post model myself.
--
DougW
> Hey Everyone,
> By the end of the year i should have my own house. It's been my mom's, but
> she's moving into my recently-deceased grandparents house. There won't be
> much of a purchase price, but i do want a loan to make some improvements,
> mostly for a garage, and a big one at that. I think i settled on a three-car
> like a buddy had built. 40' X 60', plenty of room inside. I'd also like a
> concrete pad in front and off to one side. And i want a lift. I'm tired of
> crawling and sliding under things. Especially after i worked in a few shops
> and i realized how much easier a lift makes things.
> What i'm not sure of is what type. 2-post or 4? Sources? I have a friend
> who deals in Snap-On i want to talk to. Also enough contacts at part stores
> who can get me jobber pricing.
> Ideas? Experiences?
All depends on what you want to do. The two post models give you access to
both axles and the underbelly without any real interference but are a bit
more of a balancing act than four post/ramp style jacks. The four posts
are good for working on frame and axles but getting under the vehicle is
a pain in the butt and you need seperate axle jacks. Those are more for
alignment and suspension shops. Plus if you have big tires the frame jacks
on the four post might not reach without blocking.
I'd go with a two post model myself.
--
DougW
05-07-2004, 07:59 PM
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Re: Anyone have a lift in their garage?
Don Wallish did pass the time by typing:
> Hey Everyone,
> By the end of the year i should have my own house. It's been my mom's, but
> she's moving into my recently-deceased grandparents house. There won't be
> much of a purchase price, but i do want a loan to make some improvements,
> mostly for a garage, and a big one at that. I think i settled on a three-car
> like a buddy had built. 40' X 60', plenty of room inside. I'd also like a
> concrete pad in front and off to one side. And i want a lift. I'm tired of
> crawling and sliding under things. Especially after i worked in a few shops
> and i realized how much easier a lift makes things.
> What i'm not sure of is what type. 2-post or 4? Sources? I have a friend
> who deals in Snap-On i want to talk to. Also enough contacts at part stores
> who can get me jobber pricing.
> Ideas? Experiences?
All depends on what you want to do. The two post models give you access to
both axles and the underbelly without any real interference but are a bit
more of a balancing act than four post/ramp style jacks. The four posts
are good for working on frame and axles but getting under the vehicle is
a pain in the butt and you need seperate axle jacks. Those are more for
alignment and suspension shops. Plus if you have big tires the frame jacks
on the four post might not reach without blocking.
I'd go with a two post model myself.
--
DougW
> Hey Everyone,
> By the end of the year i should have my own house. It's been my mom's, but
> she's moving into my recently-deceased grandparents house. There won't be
> much of a purchase price, but i do want a loan to make some improvements,
> mostly for a garage, and a big one at that. I think i settled on a three-car
> like a buddy had built. 40' X 60', plenty of room inside. I'd also like a
> concrete pad in front and off to one side. And i want a lift. I'm tired of
> crawling and sliding under things. Especially after i worked in a few shops
> and i realized how much easier a lift makes things.
> What i'm not sure of is what type. 2-post or 4? Sources? I have a friend
> who deals in Snap-On i want to talk to. Also enough contacts at part stores
> who can get me jobber pricing.
> Ideas? Experiences?
All depends on what you want to do. The two post models give you access to
both axles and the underbelly without any real interference but are a bit
more of a balancing act than four post/ramp style jacks. The four posts
are good for working on frame and axles but getting under the vehicle is
a pain in the butt and you need seperate axle jacks. Those are more for
alignment and suspension shops. Plus if you have big tires the frame jacks
on the four post might not reach without blocking.
I'd go with a two post model myself.
--
DougW
05-07-2004, 10:38 PM
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Re: Anyone have a lift in their garage?
For the love of God, don't buy it from SnapOn, unless you simply want to pay
four times more for it. Go to www.northerntools.com They deal in Rotary
lifts, the only brand that I recommend. For about $3000, you can get a darn
nice one.
Jerry
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:_pVmc.25301$Z%5.6475@okepread01...
> Don Wallish did pass the time by typing:
> > Hey Everyone,
> > By the end of the year i should have my own house. It's been my
mom's, but
> > she's moving into my recently-deceased grandparents house. There won't
be
> > much of a purchase price, but i do want a loan to make some
improvements,
> > mostly for a garage, and a big one at that. I think i settled on a
three-car
> > like a buddy had built. 40' X 60', plenty of room inside. I'd also
like a
> > concrete pad in front and off to one side. And i want a lift. I'm
tired of
> > crawling and sliding under things. Especially after i worked in a few
shops
> > and i realized how much easier a lift makes things.
> > What i'm not sure of is what type. 2-post or 4? Sources? I have a
friend
> > who deals in Snap-On i want to talk to. Also enough contacts at part
stores
> > who can get me jobber pricing.
> > Ideas? Experiences?
>
> All depends on what you want to do. The two post models give you access
to
> both axles and the underbelly without any real interference but are a bit
> more of a balancing act than four post/ramp style jacks. The four posts
> are good for working on frame and axles but getting under the vehicle is
> a pain in the butt and you need seperate axle jacks. Those are more for
> alignment and suspension shops. Plus if you have big tires the frame
jacks
> on the four post might not reach without blocking.
>
> I'd go with a two post model myself.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
four times more for it. Go to www.northerntools.com They deal in Rotary
lifts, the only brand that I recommend. For about $3000, you can get a darn
nice one.
Jerry
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:_pVmc.25301$Z%5.6475@okepread01...
> Don Wallish did pass the time by typing:
> > Hey Everyone,
> > By the end of the year i should have my own house. It's been my
mom's, but
> > she's moving into my recently-deceased grandparents house. There won't
be
> > much of a purchase price, but i do want a loan to make some
improvements,
> > mostly for a garage, and a big one at that. I think i settled on a
three-car
> > like a buddy had built. 40' X 60', plenty of room inside. I'd also
like a
> > concrete pad in front and off to one side. And i want a lift. I'm
tired of
> > crawling and sliding under things. Especially after i worked in a few
shops
> > and i realized how much easier a lift makes things.
> > What i'm not sure of is what type. 2-post or 4? Sources? I have a
friend
> > who deals in Snap-On i want to talk to. Also enough contacts at part
stores
> > who can get me jobber pricing.
> > Ideas? Experiences?
>
> All depends on what you want to do. The two post models give you access
to
> both axles and the underbelly without any real interference but are a bit
> more of a balancing act than four post/ramp style jacks. The four posts
> are good for working on frame and axles but getting under the vehicle is
> a pain in the butt and you need seperate axle jacks. Those are more for
> alignment and suspension shops. Plus if you have big tires the frame
jacks
> on the four post might not reach without blocking.
>
> I'd go with a two post model myself.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
05-07-2004, 10:38 PM
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Re: Anyone have a lift in their garage?
For the love of God, don't buy it from SnapOn, unless you simply want to pay
four times more for it. Go to www.northerntools.com They deal in Rotary
lifts, the only brand that I recommend. For about $3000, you can get a darn
nice one.
Jerry
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:_pVmc.25301$Z%5.6475@okepread01...
> Don Wallish did pass the time by typing:
> > Hey Everyone,
> > By the end of the year i should have my own house. It's been my
mom's, but
> > she's moving into my recently-deceased grandparents house. There won't
be
> > much of a purchase price, but i do want a loan to make some
improvements,
> > mostly for a garage, and a big one at that. I think i settled on a
three-car
> > like a buddy had built. 40' X 60', plenty of room inside. I'd also
like a
> > concrete pad in front and off to one side. And i want a lift. I'm
tired of
> > crawling and sliding under things. Especially after i worked in a few
shops
> > and i realized how much easier a lift makes things.
> > What i'm not sure of is what type. 2-post or 4? Sources? I have a
friend
> > who deals in Snap-On i want to talk to. Also enough contacts at part
stores
> > who can get me jobber pricing.
> > Ideas? Experiences?
>
> All depends on what you want to do. The two post models give you access
to
> both axles and the underbelly without any real interference but are a bit
> more of a balancing act than four post/ramp style jacks. The four posts
> are good for working on frame and axles but getting under the vehicle is
> a pain in the butt and you need seperate axle jacks. Those are more for
> alignment and suspension shops. Plus if you have big tires the frame
jacks
> on the four post might not reach without blocking.
>
> I'd go with a two post model myself.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
four times more for it. Go to www.northerntools.com They deal in Rotary
lifts, the only brand that I recommend. For about $3000, you can get a darn
nice one.
Jerry
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:_pVmc.25301$Z%5.6475@okepread01...
> Don Wallish did pass the time by typing:
> > Hey Everyone,
> > By the end of the year i should have my own house. It's been my
mom's, but
> > she's moving into my recently-deceased grandparents house. There won't
be
> > much of a purchase price, but i do want a loan to make some
improvements,
> > mostly for a garage, and a big one at that. I think i settled on a
three-car
> > like a buddy had built. 40' X 60', plenty of room inside. I'd also
like a
> > concrete pad in front and off to one side. And i want a lift. I'm
tired of
> > crawling and sliding under things. Especially after i worked in a few
shops
> > and i realized how much easier a lift makes things.
> > What i'm not sure of is what type. 2-post or 4? Sources? I have a
friend
> > who deals in Snap-On i want to talk to. Also enough contacts at part
stores
> > who can get me jobber pricing.
> > Ideas? Experiences?
>
> All depends on what you want to do. The two post models give you access
to
> both axles and the underbelly without any real interference but are a bit
> more of a balancing act than four post/ramp style jacks. The four posts
> are good for working on frame and axles but getting under the vehicle is
> a pain in the butt and you need seperate axle jacks. Those are more for
> alignment and suspension shops. Plus if you have big tires the frame
jacks
> on the four post might not reach without blocking.
>
> I'd go with a two post model myself.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
05-07-2004, 10:38 PM
#8
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Re: Anyone have a lift in their garage?
For the love of God, don't buy it from SnapOn, unless you simply want to pay
four times more for it. Go to www.northerntools.com They deal in Rotary
lifts, the only brand that I recommend. For about $3000, you can get a darn
nice one.
Jerry
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:_pVmc.25301$Z%5.6475@okepread01...
> Don Wallish did pass the time by typing:
> > Hey Everyone,
> > By the end of the year i should have my own house. It's been my
mom's, but
> > she's moving into my recently-deceased grandparents house. There won't
be
> > much of a purchase price, but i do want a loan to make some
improvements,
> > mostly for a garage, and a big one at that. I think i settled on a
three-car
> > like a buddy had built. 40' X 60', plenty of room inside. I'd also
like a
> > concrete pad in front and off to one side. And i want a lift. I'm
tired of
> > crawling and sliding under things. Especially after i worked in a few
shops
> > and i realized how much easier a lift makes things.
> > What i'm not sure of is what type. 2-post or 4? Sources? I have a
friend
> > who deals in Snap-On i want to talk to. Also enough contacts at part
stores
> > who can get me jobber pricing.
> > Ideas? Experiences?
>
> All depends on what you want to do. The two post models give you access
to
> both axles and the underbelly without any real interference but are a bit
> more of a balancing act than four post/ramp style jacks. The four posts
> are good for working on frame and axles but getting under the vehicle is
> a pain in the butt and you need seperate axle jacks. Those are more for
> alignment and suspension shops. Plus if you have big tires the frame
jacks
> on the four post might not reach without blocking.
>
> I'd go with a two post model myself.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
four times more for it. Go to www.northerntools.com They deal in Rotary
lifts, the only brand that I recommend. For about $3000, you can get a darn
nice one.
Jerry
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:_pVmc.25301$Z%5.6475@okepread01...
> Don Wallish did pass the time by typing:
> > Hey Everyone,
> > By the end of the year i should have my own house. It's been my
mom's, but
> > she's moving into my recently-deceased grandparents house. There won't
be
> > much of a purchase price, but i do want a loan to make some
improvements,
> > mostly for a garage, and a big one at that. I think i settled on a
three-car
> > like a buddy had built. 40' X 60', plenty of room inside. I'd also
like a
> > concrete pad in front and off to one side. And i want a lift. I'm
tired of
> > crawling and sliding under things. Especially after i worked in a few
shops
> > and i realized how much easier a lift makes things.
> > What i'm not sure of is what type. 2-post or 4? Sources? I have a
friend
> > who deals in Snap-On i want to talk to. Also enough contacts at part
stores
> > who can get me jobber pricing.
> > Ideas? Experiences?
>
> All depends on what you want to do. The two post models give you access
to
> both axles and the underbelly without any real interference but are a bit
> more of a balancing act than four post/ramp style jacks. The four posts
> are good for working on frame and axles but getting under the vehicle is
> a pain in the butt and you need seperate axle jacks. Those are more for
> alignment and suspension shops. Plus if you have big tires the frame
jacks
> on the four post might not reach without blocking.
>
> I'd go with a two post model myself.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
05-07-2004, 10:38 PM
#9
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Re: Anyone have a lift in their garage?
For the love of God, don't buy it from SnapOn, unless you simply want to pay
four times more for it. Go to www.northerntools.com They deal in Rotary
lifts, the only brand that I recommend. For about $3000, you can get a darn
nice one.
Jerry
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:_pVmc.25301$Z%5.6475@okepread01...
> Don Wallish did pass the time by typing:
> > Hey Everyone,
> > By the end of the year i should have my own house. It's been my
mom's, but
> > she's moving into my recently-deceased grandparents house. There won't
be
> > much of a purchase price, but i do want a loan to make some
improvements,
> > mostly for a garage, and a big one at that. I think i settled on a
three-car
> > like a buddy had built. 40' X 60', plenty of room inside. I'd also
like a
> > concrete pad in front and off to one side. And i want a lift. I'm
tired of
> > crawling and sliding under things. Especially after i worked in a few
shops
> > and i realized how much easier a lift makes things.
> > What i'm not sure of is what type. 2-post or 4? Sources? I have a
friend
> > who deals in Snap-On i want to talk to. Also enough contacts at part
stores
> > who can get me jobber pricing.
> > Ideas? Experiences?
>
> All depends on what you want to do. The two post models give you access
to
> both axles and the underbelly without any real interference but are a bit
> more of a balancing act than four post/ramp style jacks. The four posts
> are good for working on frame and axles but getting under the vehicle is
> a pain in the butt and you need seperate axle jacks. Those are more for
> alignment and suspension shops. Plus if you have big tires the frame
jacks
> on the four post might not reach without blocking.
>
> I'd go with a two post model myself.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
four times more for it. Go to www.northerntools.com They deal in Rotary
lifts, the only brand that I recommend. For about $3000, you can get a darn
nice one.
Jerry
"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:_pVmc.25301$Z%5.6475@okepread01...
> Don Wallish did pass the time by typing:
> > Hey Everyone,
> > By the end of the year i should have my own house. It's been my
mom's, but
> > she's moving into my recently-deceased grandparents house. There won't
be
> > much of a purchase price, but i do want a loan to make some
improvements,
> > mostly for a garage, and a big one at that. I think i settled on a
three-car
> > like a buddy had built. 40' X 60', plenty of room inside. I'd also
like a
> > concrete pad in front and off to one side. And i want a lift. I'm
tired of
> > crawling and sliding under things. Especially after i worked in a few
shops
> > and i realized how much easier a lift makes things.
> > What i'm not sure of is what type. 2-post or 4? Sources? I have a
friend
> > who deals in Snap-On i want to talk to. Also enough contacts at part
stores
> > who can get me jobber pricing.
> > Ideas? Experiences?
>
> All depends on what you want to do. The two post models give you access
to
> both axles and the underbelly without any real interference but are a bit
> more of a balancing act than four post/ramp style jacks. The four posts
> are good for working on frame and axles but getting under the vehicle is
> a pain in the butt and you need seperate axle jacks. Those are more for
> alignment and suspension shops. Plus if you have big tires the frame
jacks
> on the four post might not reach without blocking.
>
> I'd go with a two post model myself.
>
> --
> DougW
>
>
05-07-2004, 10:44 PM
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Re: Anyone have a lift in their garage?
Jerry Newton did pass the time by typing:
> For the love of God, don't buy it from SnapOn, unless you simply want to pay
> four times more for it. Go to www.northerntools.com They deal in Rotary
> lifts, the only brand that I recommend. For about $3000, you can get a darn
> nice one.
ooo
http://tinyurl.com/38v8r
Mongo like!
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DougW
> For the love of God, don't buy it from SnapOn, unless you simply want to pay
> four times more for it. Go to www.northerntools.com They deal in Rotary
> lifts, the only brand that I recommend. For about $3000, you can get a darn
> nice one.
ooo
http://tinyurl.com/38v8r
Mongo like!
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DougW