Any way to add Sentry Key Engine Immobilizer Theft-Deterrent after the fact?
02-11-2004, 07:39 AM
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Re: Any way to add Sentry Key Engine Immobilizer Theft-Deterrent afterthe fact?
actually it's not even close to gm's system which either uses a magnet in the
key cylinder or a resistor in the key it does trans might a frq. that must
matcch a recorded one in the skim or skreem then it sends it over the bus and
compoares vins between them all
Jerry Newton wrote:
> My take on this, after studying the schematics and operation of the system,
> is that it must be dealer-installed, if that is even an option. I don't
> know if it a factory-only option. There is a pigtail that the module will
> plug into, then the PCM will need to be reprogrammed with software to make
> it recognize the SKIM module and react accordingly. There isn't an easy way
> to bypass this, such as unplugging the SKIM and jumping wires, as it relies
> on a serial data bus for communication, and enables ignition with a password
> between modules. Very similar to what GM has been using for years.
>
> Jerry
>
> "JELo" <jelo@nospammail.com> wrote in message
> news:102fejhicfc3f8@corp.supernews.com...
> > > I had the minor problem of a salesman who didn't know squat, never
> > > read the owner's manual, and ultimately steered me away from getting
> > > it because, as he said "extra keys will cost you hundreds of dollars."
> > > Right. Too late crying over spilt milk now, but I want it added in.
> > > Is there any way to buy it direct and either install it myself or have
> > > a dealership do it. My stealership has lied too often, threatened not
> > > to honor the warranty (that wasn't pretty), and has consistently
> > > provided half-assed warranty repairs which break something else - so
> > > I'd rather do it myself, and give someone else my business if it's
> > > possible to buy it.
> >
> > My understanding is that it can be added but the engine
> > computer has to be reprogrammed or replaced? to use the
> > system. Somehow the engine computer 'talks' to the key
> > and the codes must match or the computer shuts down
> > the engine in something like two minutes. Some one else
> > might know more on this.
> >
> > I can relate to having problems with the local dealer but
> > I am not sure this is a DIY type project. JELo
> >
> >
key cylinder or a resistor in the key it does trans might a frq. that must
matcch a recorded one in the skim or skreem then it sends it over the bus and
compoares vins between them all
Jerry Newton wrote:
> My take on this, after studying the schematics and operation of the system,
> is that it must be dealer-installed, if that is even an option. I don't
> know if it a factory-only option. There is a pigtail that the module will
> plug into, then the PCM will need to be reprogrammed with software to make
> it recognize the SKIM module and react accordingly. There isn't an easy way
> to bypass this, such as unplugging the SKIM and jumping wires, as it relies
> on a serial data bus for communication, and enables ignition with a password
> between modules. Very similar to what GM has been using for years.
>
> Jerry
>
> "JELo" <jelo@nospammail.com> wrote in message
> news:102fejhicfc3f8@corp.supernews.com...
> > > I had the minor problem of a salesman who didn't know squat, never
> > > read the owner's manual, and ultimately steered me away from getting
> > > it because, as he said "extra keys will cost you hundreds of dollars."
> > > Right. Too late crying over spilt milk now, but I want it added in.
> > > Is there any way to buy it direct and either install it myself or have
> > > a dealership do it. My stealership has lied too often, threatened not
> > > to honor the warranty (that wasn't pretty), and has consistently
> > > provided half-assed warranty repairs which break something else - so
> > > I'd rather do it myself, and give someone else my business if it's
> > > possible to buy it.
> >
> > My understanding is that it can be added but the engine
> > computer has to be reprogrammed or replaced? to use the
> > system. Somehow the engine computer 'talks' to the key
> > and the codes must match or the computer shuts down
> > the engine in something like two minutes. Some one else
> > might know more on this.
> >
> > I can relate to having problems with the local dealer but
> > I am not sure this is a DIY type project. JELo
> >
> >
02-11-2004, 07:39 AM
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Re: Any way to add Sentry Key Engine Immobilizer Theft-Deterrent afterthe fact?
actually it's not even close to gm's system which either uses a magnet in the
key cylinder or a resistor in the key it does trans might a frq. that must
matcch a recorded one in the skim or skreem then it sends it over the bus and
compoares vins between them all
Jerry Newton wrote:
> My take on this, after studying the schematics and operation of the system,
> is that it must be dealer-installed, if that is even an option. I don't
> know if it a factory-only option. There is a pigtail that the module will
> plug into, then the PCM will need to be reprogrammed with software to make
> it recognize the SKIM module and react accordingly. There isn't an easy way
> to bypass this, such as unplugging the SKIM and jumping wires, as it relies
> on a serial data bus for communication, and enables ignition with a password
> between modules. Very similar to what GM has been using for years.
>
> Jerry
>
> "JELo" <jelo@nospammail.com> wrote in message
> news:102fejhicfc3f8@corp.supernews.com...
> > > I had the minor problem of a salesman who didn't know squat, never
> > > read the owner's manual, and ultimately steered me away from getting
> > > it because, as he said "extra keys will cost you hundreds of dollars."
> > > Right. Too late crying over spilt milk now, but I want it added in.
> > > Is there any way to buy it direct and either install it myself or have
> > > a dealership do it. My stealership has lied too often, threatened not
> > > to honor the warranty (that wasn't pretty), and has consistently
> > > provided half-assed warranty repairs which break something else - so
> > > I'd rather do it myself, and give someone else my business if it's
> > > possible to buy it.
> >
> > My understanding is that it can be added but the engine
> > computer has to be reprogrammed or replaced? to use the
> > system. Somehow the engine computer 'talks' to the key
> > and the codes must match or the computer shuts down
> > the engine in something like two minutes. Some one else
> > might know more on this.
> >
> > I can relate to having problems with the local dealer but
> > I am not sure this is a DIY type project. JELo
> >
> >
key cylinder or a resistor in the key it does trans might a frq. that must
matcch a recorded one in the skim or skreem then it sends it over the bus and
compoares vins between them all
Jerry Newton wrote:
> My take on this, after studying the schematics and operation of the system,
> is that it must be dealer-installed, if that is even an option. I don't
> know if it a factory-only option. There is a pigtail that the module will
> plug into, then the PCM will need to be reprogrammed with software to make
> it recognize the SKIM module and react accordingly. There isn't an easy way
> to bypass this, such as unplugging the SKIM and jumping wires, as it relies
> on a serial data bus for communication, and enables ignition with a password
> between modules. Very similar to what GM has been using for years.
>
> Jerry
>
> "JELo" <jelo@nospammail.com> wrote in message
> news:102fejhicfc3f8@corp.supernews.com...
> > > I had the minor problem of a salesman who didn't know squat, never
> > > read the owner's manual, and ultimately steered me away from getting
> > > it because, as he said "extra keys will cost you hundreds of dollars."
> > > Right. Too late crying over spilt milk now, but I want it added in.
> > > Is there any way to buy it direct and either install it myself or have
> > > a dealership do it. My stealership has lied too often, threatened not
> > > to honor the warranty (that wasn't pretty), and has consistently
> > > provided half-assed warranty repairs which break something else - so
> > > I'd rather do it myself, and give someone else my business if it's
> > > possible to buy it.
> >
> > My understanding is that it can be added but the engine
> > computer has to be reprogrammed or replaced? to use the
> > system. Somehow the engine computer 'talks' to the key
> > and the codes must match or the computer shuts down
> > the engine in something like two minutes. Some one else
> > might know more on this.
> >
> > I can relate to having problems with the local dealer but
> > I am not sure this is a DIY type project. JELo
> >
> >
02-11-2004, 07:39 AM
#43
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Re: Any way to add Sentry Key Engine Immobilizer Theft-Deterrent afterthe fact?
actually it's not even close to gm's system which either uses a magnet in the
key cylinder or a resistor in the key it does trans might a frq. that must
matcch a recorded one in the skim or skreem then it sends it over the bus and
compoares vins between them all
Jerry Newton wrote:
> My take on this, after studying the schematics and operation of the system,
> is that it must be dealer-installed, if that is even an option. I don't
> know if it a factory-only option. There is a pigtail that the module will
> plug into, then the PCM will need to be reprogrammed with software to make
> it recognize the SKIM module and react accordingly. There isn't an easy way
> to bypass this, such as unplugging the SKIM and jumping wires, as it relies
> on a serial data bus for communication, and enables ignition with a password
> between modules. Very similar to what GM has been using for years.
>
> Jerry
>
> "JELo" <jelo@nospammail.com> wrote in message
> news:102fejhicfc3f8@corp.supernews.com...
> > > I had the minor problem of a salesman who didn't know squat, never
> > > read the owner's manual, and ultimately steered me away from getting
> > > it because, as he said "extra keys will cost you hundreds of dollars."
> > > Right. Too late crying over spilt milk now, but I want it added in.
> > > Is there any way to buy it direct and either install it myself or have
> > > a dealership do it. My stealership has lied too often, threatened not
> > > to honor the warranty (that wasn't pretty), and has consistently
> > > provided half-assed warranty repairs which break something else - so
> > > I'd rather do it myself, and give someone else my business if it's
> > > possible to buy it.
> >
> > My understanding is that it can be added but the engine
> > computer has to be reprogrammed or replaced? to use the
> > system. Somehow the engine computer 'talks' to the key
> > and the codes must match or the computer shuts down
> > the engine in something like two minutes. Some one else
> > might know more on this.
> >
> > I can relate to having problems with the local dealer but
> > I am not sure this is a DIY type project. JELo
> >
> >
key cylinder or a resistor in the key it does trans might a frq. that must
matcch a recorded one in the skim or skreem then it sends it over the bus and
compoares vins between them all
Jerry Newton wrote:
> My take on this, after studying the schematics and operation of the system,
> is that it must be dealer-installed, if that is even an option. I don't
> know if it a factory-only option. There is a pigtail that the module will
> plug into, then the PCM will need to be reprogrammed with software to make
> it recognize the SKIM module and react accordingly. There isn't an easy way
> to bypass this, such as unplugging the SKIM and jumping wires, as it relies
> on a serial data bus for communication, and enables ignition with a password
> between modules. Very similar to what GM has been using for years.
>
> Jerry
>
> "JELo" <jelo@nospammail.com> wrote in message
> news:102fejhicfc3f8@corp.supernews.com...
> > > I had the minor problem of a salesman who didn't know squat, never
> > > read the owner's manual, and ultimately steered me away from getting
> > > it because, as he said "extra keys will cost you hundreds of dollars."
> > > Right. Too late crying over spilt milk now, but I want it added in.
> > > Is there any way to buy it direct and either install it myself or have
> > > a dealership do it. My stealership has lied too often, threatened not
> > > to honor the warranty (that wasn't pretty), and has consistently
> > > provided half-assed warranty repairs which break something else - so
> > > I'd rather do it myself, and give someone else my business if it's
> > > possible to buy it.
> >
> > My understanding is that it can be added but the engine
> > computer has to be reprogrammed or replaced? to use the
> > system. Somehow the engine computer 'talks' to the key
> > and the codes must match or the computer shuts down
> > the engine in something like two minutes. Some one else
> > might know more on this.
> >
> > I can relate to having problems with the local dealer but
> > I am not sure this is a DIY type project. JELo
> >
> >
02-11-2004, 01:20 PM
#44
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Re: Any way to add Sentry Key Engine Immobilizer Theft-Deterrent after the fact?
What I did was to dealer add Electronic Vehicle Security (EVS) to the car
after
I purchased it. This has the engine immobilizer as well as the balance of
the
alarm systems (doors, impact, et al). Total cost about $300. Look into it at
your DC dealer, its tailored for the Jeep, Wrangler included.
"Andrew" <andrewmuaddib@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8b5c891c.0402090533.aeeda59@posting.google.co m...
> I had the minor problem of a salesman who didn't know squat, never
> read the owner's manual, and ultimately steered me away from getting
> it because, as he said "extra keys will cost you hundreds of dollars."
> Right. Too late crying over spilt milk now, but I want it added in.
> Is there any way to buy it direct and either install it myself or have
> a dealership do it. My stealership has lied too often, threatened not
> to honor the warranty (that wasn't pretty), and has consistently
> provided half-assed warranty repairs which break something else - so
> I'd rather do it myself, and give someone else my business if it's
> possible to buy it.
after
I purchased it. This has the engine immobilizer as well as the balance of
the
alarm systems (doors, impact, et al). Total cost about $300. Look into it at
your DC dealer, its tailored for the Jeep, Wrangler included.
"Andrew" <andrewmuaddib@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8b5c891c.0402090533.aeeda59@posting.google.co m...
> I had the minor problem of a salesman who didn't know squat, never
> read the owner's manual, and ultimately steered me away from getting
> it because, as he said "extra keys will cost you hundreds of dollars."
> Right. Too late crying over spilt milk now, but I want it added in.
> Is there any way to buy it direct and either install it myself or have
> a dealership do it. My stealership has lied too often, threatened not
> to honor the warranty (that wasn't pretty), and has consistently
> provided half-assed warranty repairs which break something else - so
> I'd rather do it myself, and give someone else my business if it's
> possible to buy it.
02-11-2004, 01:20 PM
#45
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Re: Any way to add Sentry Key Engine Immobilizer Theft-Deterrent after the fact?
What I did was to dealer add Electronic Vehicle Security (EVS) to the car
after
I purchased it. This has the engine immobilizer as well as the balance of
the
alarm systems (doors, impact, et al). Total cost about $300. Look into it at
your DC dealer, its tailored for the Jeep, Wrangler included.
"Andrew" <andrewmuaddib@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8b5c891c.0402090533.aeeda59@posting.google.co m...
> I had the minor problem of a salesman who didn't know squat, never
> read the owner's manual, and ultimately steered me away from getting
> it because, as he said "extra keys will cost you hundreds of dollars."
> Right. Too late crying over spilt milk now, but I want it added in.
> Is there any way to buy it direct and either install it myself or have
> a dealership do it. My stealership has lied too often, threatened not
> to honor the warranty (that wasn't pretty), and has consistently
> provided half-assed warranty repairs which break something else - so
> I'd rather do it myself, and give someone else my business if it's
> possible to buy it.
after
I purchased it. This has the engine immobilizer as well as the balance of
the
alarm systems (doors, impact, et al). Total cost about $300. Look into it at
your DC dealer, its tailored for the Jeep, Wrangler included.
"Andrew" <andrewmuaddib@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8b5c891c.0402090533.aeeda59@posting.google.co m...
> I had the minor problem of a salesman who didn't know squat, never
> read the owner's manual, and ultimately steered me away from getting
> it because, as he said "extra keys will cost you hundreds of dollars."
> Right. Too late crying over spilt milk now, but I want it added in.
> Is there any way to buy it direct and either install it myself or have
> a dealership do it. My stealership has lied too often, threatened not
> to honor the warranty (that wasn't pretty), and has consistently
> provided half-assed warranty repairs which break something else - so
> I'd rather do it myself, and give someone else my business if it's
> possible to buy it.
02-11-2004, 01:20 PM
#46
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Re: Any way to add Sentry Key Engine Immobilizer Theft-Deterrent after the fact?
What I did was to dealer add Electronic Vehicle Security (EVS) to the car
after
I purchased it. This has the engine immobilizer as well as the balance of
the
alarm systems (doors, impact, et al). Total cost about $300. Look into it at
your DC dealer, its tailored for the Jeep, Wrangler included.
"Andrew" <andrewmuaddib@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8b5c891c.0402090533.aeeda59@posting.google.co m...
> I had the minor problem of a salesman who didn't know squat, never
> read the owner's manual, and ultimately steered me away from getting
> it because, as he said "extra keys will cost you hundreds of dollars."
> Right. Too late crying over spilt milk now, but I want it added in.
> Is there any way to buy it direct and either install it myself or have
> a dealership do it. My stealership has lied too often, threatened not
> to honor the warranty (that wasn't pretty), and has consistently
> provided half-assed warranty repairs which break something else - so
> I'd rather do it myself, and give someone else my business if it's
> possible to buy it.
after
I purchased it. This has the engine immobilizer as well as the balance of
the
alarm systems (doors, impact, et al). Total cost about $300. Look into it at
your DC dealer, its tailored for the Jeep, Wrangler included.
"Andrew" <andrewmuaddib@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8b5c891c.0402090533.aeeda59@posting.google.co m...
> I had the minor problem of a salesman who didn't know squat, never
> read the owner's manual, and ultimately steered me away from getting
> it because, as he said "extra keys will cost you hundreds of dollars."
> Right. Too late crying over spilt milk now, but I want it added in.
> Is there any way to buy it direct and either install it myself or have
> a dealership do it. My stealership has lied too often, threatened not
> to honor the warranty (that wasn't pretty), and has consistently
> provided half-assed warranty repairs which break something else - so
> I'd rather do it myself, and give someone else my business if it's
> possible to buy it.
02-11-2004, 04:04 PM
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Re: Any way to add Sentry Key Engine Immobilizer Theft-Deterrent afterthe fact?
Plus a couple of grand for a DRB III scanner tool to program it:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2459477503
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mic canic wrote:
>
> it can be done if the vehicle has all the wiring for it and it might
> involve getting a new pcm and bcm and trans module if you have them plus
> the skreem module
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2459477503
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
mic canic wrote:
>
> it can be done if the vehicle has all the wiring for it and it might
> involve getting a new pcm and bcm and trans module if you have them plus
> the skreem module
02-11-2004, 04:04 PM
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Re: Any way to add Sentry Key Engine Immobilizer Theft-Deterrent afterthe fact?
Plus a couple of grand for a DRB III scanner tool to program it:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2459477503
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
mic canic wrote:
>
> it can be done if the vehicle has all the wiring for it and it might
> involve getting a new pcm and bcm and trans module if you have them plus
> the skreem module
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2459477503
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
mic canic wrote:
>
> it can be done if the vehicle has all the wiring for it and it might
> involve getting a new pcm and bcm and trans module if you have them plus
> the skreem module
02-11-2004, 04:04 PM
#49
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Re: Any way to add Sentry Key Engine Immobilizer Theft-Deterrent afterthe fact?
Plus a couple of grand for a DRB III scanner tool to program it:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2459477503
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
mic canic wrote:
>
> it can be done if the vehicle has all the wiring for it and it might
> involve getting a new pcm and bcm and trans module if you have them plus
> the skreem module
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2459477503
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
mic canic wrote:
>
> it can be done if the vehicle has all the wiring for it and it might
> involve getting a new pcm and bcm and trans module if you have them plus
> the skreem module
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