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On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:53:53 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
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Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured
Norman Doidge
National Post
What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that
every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy?

That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is
illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 ---
offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in
Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths.
All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their
"offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was
found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment
behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more
likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter
Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals.

The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally
-- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more
than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed
in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in
our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by
appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity,
since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated
treatments really psychotherapy?

Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a
self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on.
Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely
because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use
psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for
concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives,
which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and
concern by definition.

But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially
on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt
co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching
new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a
psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given
moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit.
Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories
that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths.

Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute
clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from
Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by
something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the
prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system.
Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the
community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any
psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect.

The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions.
To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their
miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are
short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in
eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over.

I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her
boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of
other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from
a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume
self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can
raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches
or "negative tapes" in her head.

Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an
ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise
backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their
consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest
of mankind how to be remorseless.

But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part
of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is
sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task
force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards
with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around
prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should
carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible
choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would
be practised.

So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute
1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all
crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's
just say they are beyond therapy.

That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are
psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have
low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term
intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical
evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from
treatment.

The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of
mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of
forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an
unwillingness to make basic distinctions.

In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a
hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous
person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as
we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his
soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is
always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to
control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what
is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the
bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the
virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not
"conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue,
that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the
physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence
shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and
functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our
notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions
into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked
by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious.

> There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
>over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
>possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
>Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
>coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
>Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
>course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
>Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
>obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
>when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
>elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
>remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
>little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
>head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
>even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
> Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
>As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it!
> But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
>fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@***.net,
>abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
> I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
>passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
>stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
>all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
>each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------.
>It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
> Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
>other accusations would be thrown out of court.
> When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
>man??????????
> People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
>hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
>Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
>groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
>Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
>Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
> You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
>suggest!!!!!
> If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
>Sheriffs Department.
> I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
>man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
>I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
>contradicts it's self.
> You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward.
> I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
>participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
>life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
> I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
>S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
>24bit:
>12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
>will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or
>LW------@------.net
> Sincerely,
> Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
> You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital
>before you hurt yourself or someone else.
> Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/******* like you at
>the top of your groups! :-)
> The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my
>Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that,
>coward.
> BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of.
>:-)
> I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a
>straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again.
> Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.
> There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only
>******* like would think of.
> That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic
>------.
> Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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>>
>> Psychopaths cannot be understood in terms of antisocial rearing or
>> development. They are simply morally depraved individuals who
>> represent the "monsters" in our society. They are unstoppable and
>> untreatable predators whose violence is planned, purposeful and
>> emotionless. The violence continues until it reaches a plateau at age
>> 60 or so, then tapers off.
>>
>> Their emotionlessness reflects a detached, fearless, and possibly
>> dissociated state, revealing a low-state autonomic nervous system and
>> lack of anxiety. It's difficult to say what motivates them - control
>> and dominance possibly - since their life history will usually show no
>> long-standing bonds with others nor much rhyme to their reason (other
>> than the planning of violence).
>>
>> They tend to operate with a grandiose demeanor, an attitude of
>> entitlement, an insatiable appetite, and a tendency toward sadism.
>> Fearlessness is probably the prototypical (core) characteristic (the
>> low-fear hypothesis). It's helpful to think of them as high-speed
>> vehicles with ineffective brakes.
>>
>> Certain organic (brain) disorders and hormonal imbalances mimic the
>> state of mind of a psychopath.
>>
>> There are four (4) different subtypes of psychopaths. The oldest
>> distinction was made by Cleckley back in 1941 between primary and
>> secondary.
>>
>> PRIMARY PSYCHOPATHS do not respond to punishment, apprehension,
>> stress, or disapproval. They seem to be able to inhibit their
>> antisocial impulses most of the time, not because of conscience, but
>> because it suits their purpose at the time. Words do not seem to have
>> the same meaning for them as they do for us. In fact, it's unclear if
>> they even grasp the meaning of their own words, a condition that
>> Cleckley called "semantic aphasia." They don't follow any life plan,
>> and it seems as if they are incapable of experiencing any genuine
>> emotion.
>>
>> SECONDARY PSYCHOPATHS are risk-takers, but are also more likely to be
>> stress-reactive, worriers, and guilt-prone. They expose themselves to
>> more stress than the average person, but they are as vulnerable to
>> stress as the average person. (This suggests that they are not "fully
>> psychopathic." This may be due to distinctive genetic variations.)
>>
>> They are daring, adventurous, unconventional people who began playing
>> by their own rules early in life. They are strongly driven by a desire
>> to escape or avoid pain, but are unable to resist temptation. As their
>> anxiety increases toward some forbidden object, so does their
>> attraction to it. They live their lives by the lure of temptation.
>> Both primary and secondary psychopaths can be subdivided into:
>>
>> DISTEMPERED PSYCHOPATHS are the kind that seem to fly into a rage or
>> frenzy more easily and more often than other subtypes. Their frenzy
>> will resemble an epileptic fit. They are also usually men with
>> incredibly strong --- drives, capable of astonishing feats of sexual
>> energy, and seemingly obsessed by sexual urges during a large part of
>> their waking lives. Powerful cravings also seem to characterize them,
>> as in drug addiction, kleptomania, pedophilia, any illicit or illegal
>> indulgence. They like the endorphin "high" or "rush" off of excitement
>> and risk-taking. The serial-rapist-murderer known as the Boston
>> Strangler was such a psychopath.
>>
>> CHARISMATIC PSYCHOPATHS are charming, attractive liars. They are
>> usually gifted at some talent or another, and they use it to their
>> advantage in manipulating others. They are usually fast-talkers, and
>> possess an almost demonic ability to persuade others out of everything
>> they own, even their lives. Leaders of religious sects or cults, for
>> example, might be psychopaths if they lead their followers to their
>> deaths. This subtype often comes to believe in their own fictions.
>> They are irresistible.
>>
>> Sociopaths have always existed in varying form and to various degrees.
>> They have been known by various titles. They have been studied using
>> various techniques, and through the years their ailment has been
>> blamed on various causes. But one thing never varies: all sociopaths
>> share three common characteristics. They are all very egocentric
>> individuals with no empathy for others, and they are incapable of
>> feeling remorse or guilt. [The Sociopath Rebecca Horton (April 1999)]
>>
>> While the psychopath has likes and dislikes and fondness for the
>> pleasures that human company can bring, analysis shows that he is
>> completely egocentric, valuing others only for their enhancement of
>> his own pleasure or status. While he gives no real love, he is quite
>> capable of inspiring love of sometimes fanatical degree in others.
>>
>> He is generally superficially charming and often makes a striking
>> impression as possessed of the noblest of human qualities. He makes
>> friends easily, and is very manipulative, using his ability with words
>> to talk his way out of trouble. Many psychopaths love to be admired
>> and bask in the adulation of others.
>>
>> With the lack of love, there is also a lack of empathy. The psychopath
>> is unable to feel sorry for others in unfortunate situations or put
>> himself in another's place, whether or not they have been harmed by
>> him.[Gordon Banks]
>>
>>
>> How Psychopaths View The World
>> Not only do they covet possessions and power, but they gain special
>> pleasure in usurping and taking from others (a symbolic sibling, for
>> example); what they can plagiarize, swindle, and extort are fruits far
>> sweeter than those they can earn through honest labor.
>>
>> And once having drained what they can from one source, they turn to
>> another to exploit, bleed, and then cast aside; their pleasure in the
>> misfortune of others is unquenchable. People are used as a means to an
>> end; they are to be subordinated and demeaned so that the antisocial
>> can vindicate themselves...
>>
>> The causes of this sociopathic disorder have been narrowed to several
>> factors through research. One of the primary causes of sociopathic
>> behavior is believed to be neurological abnormalities mainly in the
>> frontal lobe of the brain. This area is also related to fear
>> conditioning. The abnormal anatomy or chemical activity within this
>> area of the brain may be caused by abnormal growth (possibly genetic),
>> brain disease, or injury. This theory has been supported by much
>> research using positron emission tomography (PET) which visually shows
>> the metabolic activity of neurons within the brain (Sabbatini, 1998).
>>
>> The amygdalae, two small regions buried near the base of the brain,
>> have long been known to affect aggression, sexuality and recklessness.
>> Recently, they have also been shown to affect how people interpret the
>> emotions of others. Subtle damage to the amygdalae may explain many of
>> the characteristics of psychopaths - including the difficulty of
>> getting through to them emotionally. It may be that they simply cannot
>> "see" emotions in others. [Are You Married to a Psychopath?]
>>
>> The psychopath is a manipulator, who knows exactly what makes us tick
>> and knows how to manipulate and influence our feelings.
>>
>> They have the talent to spot "kind, caring" women.
>>
>> Mimicry is often used to convince others that the psychopath is a
>> normal human being. He does this to create a false empathy with his
>> victim. The psychopath will try to make you believe he has normal
>> emotions by spinning some sad tale or professing profound, moving
>> experiences; the truth is, most psychopaths go through life as in an
>> incubator, touched by few and having no real compassion for others;
>> but they will lie to convince you that they have normal emotions.
>>
>> The pity factor is one reason why victims often fall for these "poor"
>> people.
>>
>> Lying is like breathing to the psychopath. When caught in a lie and
>> challenged, they make up new lies, and don't care if they're found
>> out. As Hare states,
>>
>> "Lying, deceiving, and manipulation are natural talents for
>> psychopaths...When caught in a lie or challenged with the truth, they
>> are seldom perplexed or embarrassed -- they simply change their
>> stories or attempt to rework the facts so that they appear to be
>> consistent with the lie. The results are a series of contradictory
>> statements and a thoroughly confused listener." [Hare].
>>
>> Often, their behavior serves to confuse and repress their victims, or
>> to influence anyone who might listen to the psychopath's side of the
>> story.
>>
>> Manipulation is the key to their conquests, and lying is one way they
>> achieve this.
>>
>> One almost amusing example of how psychopaths lie can be exemplified
>> by a man who's footprint was discovered at the scene of the crime.
>> "No, that's not my foot" he said, even though everyone knew he was
>> lying.
>>
>> This is how psychopaths operate. They will deny reality until their
>> victims have a nervous breakdown. Often, the psychopath will turn on
>> the victim and claim that the victim suffers from "delusions" and is
>> not mentally stable.
>>
>> The psychopath is primarily distracted and impressed by his own
>> grandiose self-representation, which often leads to him unwittingly
>> telling people things that lead to his detection. They often forget
>> the lies they told and tell contradicting tales, which often makes the
>> listener wonder if either the psychopath is crazy, although in this
>> case the psychopath isn't really crazy -- he's just forgotten what
>> lies he's told.
>>
>> The most amazing thing, however, is their selective memory. A
>> psychopath might not remember the promises he made to you yesterday,
>> but he will remember something from the past if it suits his purposes
>> in some way. They often do this whenever they're confronted or caught
>> in a lie.
>>
>> Most psychopaths are very arrogant and cocky. However, when charming a
>> potential victim, they say all the "right" things and make you believe
>> they are kind-hearted souls; not always, but often enough. The truth
>> is, psychopaths are not altruistic and do not really care about
>> friendships or ties.
>>
>> Guggenbuhl-Craig states that " they are very talented at appearing
>> much more humble than the average person, but are hardly so." Some are
>> also able to feign concern about the lower classes and profess that
>> they are on the side of the underdog, the poor, and so forth. A
>> psychopath may claim, for instance (if he's from a low socioeconomic
>> class), that he dislikes rich people intensely, but at the same time,
>> he will inwardly yearn and envy what they have. He is like the
>> narcissist, desiring to reflect a false image of himself through his
>> possessions. Among his possessions are included human beings:
>> girlfriends, wives, and children.
>>
>> Some psychopaths can even be very fond of animals (contrary to the
>> common viewpoint), but still view them as objects in relation to
>> themselves.
>>
>> In general, most psychopaths will brag endlessly about their exploits
>> and "bad" things they've done (often called a warning sign, which will
>> ward off careful souls), but more often than not, the woman who is
>> fascinated by him will not listen to reason, even if she is warned by
>> others who know him about his past behaviors.
>>
>> Why? Once again, because the psychopath makes her feel so "special."
>>
>> Please ladies, if you're stuck on any man who is like this, you must
>> come to terms with the fact that it is NOT his REAL personality. He is
>> only playing a ROLE for you.
>>
>> Dr. Black states that one of the most obvious signs of psychopathy is
>> the way the individual will brag about his experiences, no matter "how
>> unsavory...his apparent comfort with his deviant behavior, the ease
>> with which he discuss(es) breaking every rule, (is) consistent with
>> ASP (psychopathy)." [Black, 68].
>>
>> The psychopath is filled with greed inside, relating to the world
>> through power, even though, as I said, on the outside he can claim to
>> be on the side of the disenfranchised or the downtrodden. I knew one
>> who liked to repeat phrases such as "they have to stop keeping my
>> brothers down" but he didn't mean a word of it. He was actually a
>> racist. The psychopath can also often identify himself as a
>> revolutionary.
>>
>> On the flip side, the psychopath also often paints a picture of
>> himself as the downcast anti-hero (his "own worst enemy type") and
>> some like to see themselves as lone-wolves. The psychopath may even
>> claim he is sensitive and profound, but inside he is nothing but
>> emptiness and greed.
>>
>> Whether or not the psychopath is aware of his behavior is something
>> that is often debated. I do believe that psychopaths usually know
>> exactly what they are doing, although others suggest that psychopaths
>> are "born, not made."
>>
>> As mentioned, psychopaths often claim to settle for second best (being
>> their own worst enemy) and then think they deserve better. This may be
>> manifested in the way they seek power -- either through money (i.e.
>> material goods), manipulation and/or treating people as objects. By
>> enacting such behaviors, the psychopath is also trying to "get back"
>> at society and the world, in order to gain retribution. They will
>> spend their entire lives doing this, whether they are rich or poor, or
>> whatever their social background may be, although studies have shown
>> that they often come from an impoverished or lower socio- economic
>> background and/or social status. (In one of Dr. Donald Black's
>> studies, many of the men were "overwhelmingly white, blue collar,
>> lower middle class, and married, and most had not graduated from high
>> school." [Black, 14]).
>>
>> Let me add, despite Dr. Blacks' studies, psychopaths can still exist
>> in any social class. Do not be misled. I also wanted to point out that
>> I will be using "he" and "him" for the term psychopath throughout this
>> website; let it not be forgotten, yes, female psychopaths exist as
>> well; however, according to the Sixth Edition of Abnormal Behavior,
>> printed in 2000 by three male professors, David, Derald, and Stanley
>> Sue, the rates do differ by gender. Included in their excellent text
>> is a report by the The American Psychiatric Association that the
>> general estimate is 3% for men, and less than 1% in women [Personality
>> Disorders and Impulse Control Disorders, 238].
>>
>> What is very disturbing about psychopaths, besides their sense of
>> special entitlement, is the complete lack of empathy for normal
>> people, for "antisocials (psychopaths) seem to lack a conscience,
>> feeling little or no empathy for the people whose lives they
>> touch...the antisocial effortlessly resists all regulation, unable to
>> see beyond his self-interest or to adopt standards of right versus
>> wrong." [Black, XIII].
>>
>> Not all psychopath are uneducated low-class misfits. Some of them are
>> quite handsome and have good careers, and use this all the more to
>> their benefit. Take a look at Ted Bundy; my friend's mother once went
>> on a double-date with him and claimed he was the nicest person. His
>> mother said he was the "best son any mother could have." Bundy was
>> also apparently quite good-looking, which made him even more
>> dangerous. So not all psychopaths are derelict, low-class, high school
>> drop-outs, there are many who also work in professional occupations;
>> the fact remains that there are just more psychopaths who come from
>> impoverished backgrounds than not.
>>
>> [QFG Note: Black's claim that more "psychopaths" come from
>> impoverished backgrounds seems to be coming under some revision. In
>> fact, Black does not seem to have a truly good grasp of the difference
>> between Psychopathy and Antisocial Personality Disorder. As Robert
>> Hare points out, yes, there are many psychopaths who are also
>> "anti-socials" but there seem to be far more of them that would never
>> be classified as anti-social or "sociopathic."
>>
>> In a recent paper, "Construct VAlidity of Psychopathy in a Community
>> Sample: A Nomological Net Approach, Salekin, Trobst, Krioukova,
>> Journal of Personality Disorders, 15(5), 425-441, 2001), the authors
>> state:
>>
>> "Psychopathy, as originally conceived by Cleckley (1941), is not
>> limited to engagement in illegal activities, but rather encompasses
>> such personality characteristics as manipulativeness, insincerity,
>> egocentricity, and lack of guilt - characteristics clearly present in
>> criminals but also in spouses, parents, bosses, attorneys,
>> politicians, and CEOs, to name but a few. (Bursten, 1973; Stewart,
>> 1991). Our own examination of the prevalence of psychopathy within a
>> university population suggested that perhaps 5% or more of this sample
>> might be deemed psychopathic, although the vast majority of those will
>> be male (more than 1/10 males versus approximately 1?100 females).
>>
>> "As such, psychopathy may be characterized ... as involving a tendency
>> towards both dominance and coldness. Wiggins (1995) in summarizing
>> numerous previous findings... indicates that such individuals are
>> prone to anger and irritation and are willing to exploit others. They
>> are arrogant, manipulative, cynical, exhibitionistic, sensation
>> -seeking, Machiavellian, vindictive, and out for their own gain. With
>> respect to their patterns of social exchange (Foa & Foa, 1974), they
>> attribute love and status to themselves, seeing themselves as highly
>> worthy and important, but prescribe neither love nor status to others,
>> seeing them as unworthy and insignificant. This characterization is
>> clearly consistent with the essence of psychopathy as commonly
>> described.
>>
>> "The present investigation sought to answer some basic questions
>> regarding the construct of psychopathy in non forensic settings... In
>> so doing we have returned to Cleckley's (1941) original emphasis on
>> psychopathy as a personality style not only among criminals, but also
>> among successful individuals within the community.
>>
>> "What is clear from our findings is that (a) psychopathy measures have
>> converged on a prototype of psychopathy that involves a combination of
>> dominant and cold interpersonal characteristics; (b) psychopathy does
>> occur in the community and at what might be a higher than expected
>> rate; and (c) psychopathy appears to have little overlap with
>> personality disorders aside from Antisocial Personality Disorder. ...
>>
>> "Clearly, where much more work is needed is in understanding what
>> factors differentiate the abiding (although perhaps not moral-abiding)
>> psychopath from the law-breaking psychopath; such research surely
>> needs to make greater use of non forensic samples than has been
>> customary in the past."
>>
>> In short, if you want to learn about psychopathy, don't read Black.
>> The only kind he had to study were the failures, the ones who ended up
>> in jail or psychiatric hospitals. Keep this in mind as you continue to
>> read the excerpts on this page.]
>>
>> Also, not all psychopaths are calm, cool, and collected. Some of them
>> appear strange or odd, and their behavior can be eccentric or unusual.
>> I believe this is what can confuse victims most often. Psychopaths
>> often appear intense and "electrifying". Do not be misled if someone
>> appears harmless, "foolish", or seems offbeat. An "angelic" visage can
>> also often fool people. Just picture John Wayne Gacy in his "clown
>> costume" as he entertained children as one example.
>>
>> Another example which someone on the "Victims of Psychopathy" board
>> came up with was Bill Clinton and his "goofy" yet loveable demeanor
>> (so is Clinton really a psychopath? Many believe he is).
>>
>> A psychopath (he was diagnosed anti-social) I knew used the harmless
>> cover-up quite well. Everyone thought he was very funny. I did too, at
>> first. Then, little by little, I realised there was something "not
>> right" about him. At first his seemingly harmless pranks were
>> charming, but after a while, he became more of a nuisance and
>> disrupted our work environment, which created havoc and tension
>> between employees. I've learned, a psychopath can use these disguises
>> for his own hidden purpose.
>>
>> Regardless of race, social class, or occupation, however, the
>> psychopath is dangerous to society, for "the nature of ASP
>> (psychopathy) implies that it wreaks more havoc on society than most
>> other mental illnesses do, since the disorder primarily involves
>> reactions against the social environment that drag other people into
>> its destructive web...The despair and anxiety wrought by antisocials
>> (psychopaths) tragically affects families and communities, leaving
>> deep physical and emotional scars..." [Black, 5].
>>
>> There is much to the psychopathic personality which is baffling and
>> disturbing. 1 in about 25-30 people are psychopathic (also known as
>> sociopaths or anti-social -- the correct title being psychopath.)
>> Since the majority or them are men, I (Wendy Koenigsmann) wrote this
>> site in part, to warn women about the dangers, especially women
>> online, which I believe is a favourite "new medium" which appeals to
>> psychopaths. I have personal experience with this subject as well.
>> This is because "antisocials (psychopaths) are not just characters in
>> our fictional or true-life entertainments. They are family members,
>> friends, co-workers, neighbors, or strangers we may encounter every
>> day." [Black, 10].
>>
>> Pamela Jayne, M.A., writes that "30% of men are sociopathic." [QFG
>> note that she is not using the term "psychopath".] If about every
>> three out of ten men I may meet are psychopathic, I would assume this
>> is not something to take lightly. According to these statistics, that
>> would mean every three out of ten men and maybe every one out of ten
>> females.
>>
>> The truth is, we do not really know exactly how many individuals are
>> psychopathic; however, there seems to be a rise in the prevalence of
>> psychopathy and that is why some claim that numbers are higher. Dr.
>> Black claims that psychopathy leads right behind depression, along
>> with schizophrenia and borderline personality disorder, which is an
>> astounding fact.
>>
>> [QFG note: Hare says that Psychopathy is MORE prevalent than
>> depression, schizophrenia and BPD. For all we know, many people who
>> are depressed, become schizophrenic, or develop BPD, do so as a result
>> of interactions with psychopaths. Psychologist Andrew Lobaczewski says
>> as much in his book "Political Ponerology."]
>>
>> Psychopaths are often witty and articulate and almost always "glib."
>> They can be "amusing and entertaining conversationalists, ready with a
>> quick and clever comeback, and can tell unlikely but convincing
>> stories...
>>
>> They can be very effective in presenting themselves well and are often
>> very likeable and charming. To some people, however, they seem too
>> slick and smooth, too obviously insincere and superficial. Astute
>> observers often get the impression that psychopaths are play-acting,
>> mechanically "reading their lines." [Hare, 35].
>>
>> ...They may ramble and tell stories that seem unlikely in light of
>> what is known about them. Typically, they attempt to appear familiar
>> with sociology, psychiatry, medicine, psychology, philosophy, poetry,
>> literature, art, or law. A signpost to this trait is often a smooth
>> lack of concern at being found out." [Hare, 35].
>>
>> One psychopathic individual I knew claimed that he had a genius IQ and
>> that he was studying several different majors at college. "When I
>> found out I had a genius IQ, that's when all my trouble started" he
>> said. I asked him, "Why?" He replied, "'Cause I'm too smart for my own
>> good." In the end I found out these were lies because he was, in fact,
>> a high school drop-out.
>>
>> [QFG note: Being a "high-school drop-out" doesn't mean that a person
>> is NOT a genius. In fact, considering the U.S. education system, it is
>> very likely that many geniuses WILL drop out due to frustration and
>> boredom.]
>>
>> Despite their failures, psychopaths have a very "narcissistic and
>> grossly inflated view of their self-worth and importance, a truly
>> astounding egocentricity and sense of entitlement, and see themselves
>> as the center of the universe, as superior beings who are justified in
>> living according to their own rules." [Hare, 38].
>>
>> They often come across as "arrogant, shameless
>> braggarts--self-assured, opinionated, domineering, and cocky. They
>> love to have power and control over others and seem unable to believe
>> that people have valid opinions different from theirs. They appear
>> charismatic or 'electrifying' to some people." [Hare, 38].
>>
>> I (Wendy Koenigsmann) know exactly what Hare means when I recall one
>> person I used to know (who had been diagnosed); he always seemed to be
>> charming everyone around him, although in the end every woman who fell
>> for him ended up becoming hostile when they realized all he had been
>> doing was leading each one on simultaneously.
>>
>> The psychopath is callous, remorseless, and unempathetic, although at
>> first glance he may not seem that way. He is often exceedingly witty,
>> chameleon-like, charming (but not always, especially when not in a
>> "good" mood), the person who attracts a circle of admirers around him
>> at every party, but more often that not, he is usually avoided -- once
>> people find out what he's really like.
>>
>> Psychopaths often end up associating with others like themselves,
>> although in some cases they don't always get along that well.
>> Sometimes they pair up with other psychopaths and become a close team,
>> one may be a "talker" while the other is a "doer," and so forth,
>> although I (Wendy Koenigsmann) strongly believe that these roles are
>> interchangeable when dealing with a psychopathic duo. Hare states, "As
>> long as their interests are complimentary, they make a formidable
>> pair." [Hare, 65]. It has also been reported that some acquaintances
>> may never really discover their truly dark side.
>>
>> Psychopaths and Relationships
>> It is in this realm that the psychopath comes closest to the
>> psychotic. While seemingly in full possession of his reasoning
>> ability, by all the means of clinical psychology to test and assess
>> them, the psychopath demonstrates an inability to comprehend the
>> meaning and significance of his behavior for other people, and to
>> judge their probable reactions to his behavior. He is often astounded
>> to find that people are upset by his exploits. [Gordon Banks]
>>
>> . .Histrionic...women are particularly attracted and vulnerable to
>> psychopathic males. The hysteric-personality-disordered female is
>> likely to be enamored of the psychopath...She is able...to reciprocate
>> in this projective-introjective cycle by predominately idealizing the
>> psychopathic character. Her need for attachment and dependency
>> complements his desire for detachment and autonomy; she perceives
>> others as all-giving and benevolent, and he perceives others as
>> all-taking and malevolent.
>>
>> The hysterical woman is immune to developing a healthy suspicion when
>> details or circumstances don't fit (also relating to the illogicity of
>> his thoughts/behavior) or do not corroborate the psychopath's oral
>> version of his history. [From "The Psychopathic Mind" -- Origins,
>> Dynamics, and Treatment J. Reil Meloy]
>>
>> The real danger about psychopaths is that some women, in particular,
>> actually have a psychological predisposition towards forming
>> attachments to them. They even fall in love with them. These women,
>> usually of a hysteric or histrionic personality, feel empowered when
>> attached to the psychopath, regardless of the truth she has been told
>> about him, or regardless of what he himself has told her. Some of
>> these women have an underlying fantasy to feel that they are in
>> control with the psychopathic male (according to Meloy).
>>
>> At the same time, I (Wendy Koenigsmann) often question whether it's
>> only the "neurotics" who fall prey to psychopaths. It should be stated
>> that Freud is responsible for the entire coinage of neurotic women,
>> which makes me a bit suspicious. I will present the information, but
>> at the same time, I'm not agreeing with it completely, because it
>> seems that all women, regardless of their "neurotic" natures or not,
>> are prey to psychopaths.
>>
>> We've heard of the extreme cases, such as the women who fell in love
>> with the Night-Stalker, Richard Ramirez, but in general, you will find
>> psychopaths in quite innocuous places, and they always know how to
>> spot a vulnerable woman who will feed their self-image of grandiosity.
>> Of course, good looks help in these matters. The reason so many women
>> fell in love with Ramirez, has been speculated, was probably also
>> intensified because of his brooding, handsome looks and the fact that
>> he could appear vulnerable, "like a little kid," said one admirer.
>>
>> Whether or not being able to feel pity and compassion for a male makes
>> a woman neurotic has yet to be proven.
>>
>> The truth is, an attractive psychopath is probably more dangerous than
>> a less attractive one, by all means.
>>
>> For many women, the attachment to a psychopath goes beyond mere
>> Freudian analysis -- many simply deny the truth, blindly trusting and
>> ignoring reality. Some, even when presented with the cold hard facts,
>> will still admit that they cannot stop loving their psychopathic
>> partner, even after they've been discarded by him. This problem is
>> both a psychosexual one (women with personality disorders themselves
>> who become obsessed with psychopaths), or women who just won't admit
>> to the truth or are ignorant about the situation. It can even be a
>> combination of all factors.
>>
>> Regardless, the psychopath knows whom to "choose."
>>
>> As I (Wendy Koenigsmann) said, the information regarding "histrionic
>> women" and "hysterics" as typical victims was taken from the ideas of
>> Meloy, but does not represent the norm as it were. Anyone can be
>> conned and taken in by the psychopath.
>>
>> Psychopaths pick on everyone, whether rich or poor, smart or not so
>> bright. Although it does seem that the mentally ill are more
>> susceptible: the aforementioned histrionics, etc., as well as victims
>> with borderline personality disorder.
>>
>> Also, trying to "spot" a psychopath by appearance, as I already noted,
>> is not easy. As one student of psychopathy told me, "They often alter
>> their appearance to appear non- threatening, or to create a persona."
>>
>> Tim Field, a noted author and researcher of psychopathy, believes that
>> the psychopath picks out people who can see through him: "A bully's
>> (sociopath) apparent self-esteem and self-confidence is actually
>> arrogance, an unsustainable belief of invulnerability honed from his
>> willingness to act outside the bounds of society to ensure their
>> survival. Targets (or victims) are people who can see through the
>> arrogance to perceive the empty shell behind it - and bullies can
>> sense who can see through them, furthering the target's elimination."
>> [Bully OnLine]. This usually happens in the workplace, and in
>> situations where the psychopath has let his mask drop.
>>
>> According to the author of The Psychopathic Mind (Meloy), when needing
>> to manipulate a female, the psychopath often targets women who are
>> what is often called the "dumb blonde" type, the kind of woman who
>> exudes naivete, often unconscious of her own sexuality, vapid
>> innocence, often not too bright -- their personalities usually border
>> on the Pollyanish, and they always see a silver lining in every cloud.
>> Not that there is anything essentially wrong with innocence or
>> optimism, but when dealing with a psychopath, that can prove a bad
>> combination. Psychopaths seem to be attracted to this type of woman in
>> particular. She is nurturing and all-giving, while he is closed-off
>> and retentive.
>>
>> They have "an uncanny ability to spot and use 'nurturant' women --
>> that is, those who have a powerful need to help or mother others."
>> [Hare, 149].
>>
>> As Hare recounts, a particular "nurturance-seeking missile" who had a
>> local reputation for attracting a steady stream of female visitors
>> seemed to have this talent. He was "not particularly good-looking or
>> very interesting to talk to. But he had a certain cherubic quality
>> that some women, staff included, seemed to find attractive. One woman
>> commented that she 'always had an urge to cuddle him.' Another said
>> that 'he needs mothering.'" [Hare, 149].
>>
>> Psychopaths also like to "attach" to women of higher social status, a
>> woman who represents what he would like to be. Then when he is through
>> with her, he can destroy her and "kill two birds with one stone."
>>
>> However, regardless of what personality type they go after, everyone
>> is still a target.
>>
>> Like the narcissist, the psychopath has an arrogant, disdainful, and
>> patronizing attitude; however, let me make this clear: often in the
>> initial stages of charming someone new, the true character is kept
>> hidden, naturally. That is why, when a woman warns another woman about
>> a psychopathic man, his newest victim will not be able to believe the
>> bad stories about him. "But he's so charming, so kind, so nice..." and
>> so forth will be her reply. Yes. Exactly. He is playing a game with
>> you too.
>>
>> Psychopaths have a grandiose self-structure which demands "a scornful
>> and detached devaluation of others" [Gacon et al 1992], in order to
>> ward off envy toward the good perceived in people. They react towards
>> perceived or existing attachment capacities with ambivalence and often
>> aggression. According to Meloy, most of them transfer the attachment
>> to "hard objects" such as weapons, knives, [magical practices] etc.
>> The grandiose self is represented onto the weapon or object and is a
>> projection of themselves. This of course is more in depth study of the
>> psychopath. Not all psychopaths have a gun collection or a favourite
>> knife or sword, but a great deal of them do tend to be fond of weapons
>> and such symbols of aggression and dominance. I'm not sure if this is
>> true in all cases, but one psychopath I knew loved swords. He was
>> obsessed with them and loved weapons of all kinds.
>>
>> How To Deal With Psychopaths
>> If you leave the psychopath, you can expect that he will either be the
>> type who doesn't make any "noise" but ruins your reputation by
>> ------ing lies, or you can expect a lot of open manipulation (a final
>> attempt to gain power and control).
>>
>> For example, I left a psychopath, and to this day, if given the
>> opportunity, he will tell friends to warn me that I am nothing but a
>> "bug" on his windshield and that he has the ability to destroy me like
>> an insect. Meanwhile, he has also ------ false stories about me to
>> anyone who'll listen.
>>
>> Why does he do this?
>>
>> After dealing with this annoying behaviour for nearly two years, I've
>> come to a conclusion: Even though they cannot really love another
>> person, and lack real deep-seated emotions, psychopaths relate to
>> others through power and control. If someone should actually attempt
>> to "demean" (in his eyes, this is very real) his power and control, he
>> will react to some extent. The psychopath also made himself appear in
>> control by stating that he "kicked" me out, even though he lived in
>> his mother's house. Later on, he also told my friend that I was
>> nothing but an "experiment" to him, after I had lost money, time, and
>> suffered immensely because of his lying and manipulation. By
>> suffering, I also count extreme depression which lasted nearly two
>> years, as he did not stop attacking me in the two years after (even to
>> this day) that I left him.
>>
>> I believe that some individuals are strong enough to stand up to the
>> psychopath; unfortunately, not all people are, and most psychopaths
>> succeed in permanently damaging their victims. This is why we clearly
>> need more support groups for people who have been in relationships
>> with psychopaths.
>>
>> In sum, the experience of dealing with a psychopath can be very
>> troubling for most people, not to mention, when he is through with
>> you, you can be sure that you will be vilified falsely, no doubt about
>> it. I recently asked Field about what one can do when faced with the
>> lies of a psychopath (Field refers to them as sociopaths) and the
>> apparent absence of justice when it comes to their behaviour - -
>> Field's response was:
>>
>> "The main lesson I have learnt is that when dealing with a sociopath,
>> the normal rules of etiquette do not apply. You are dealing with
>> someone who has no empathy, no conscience, no remorse, and no
>> guilt...It is a completely different mindset. Words like 'predator'
>> and 'evil' are often used."
>>
>> If you try to deal with psychopaths in an ethical manner, you will be
>> in for a shock. Dr. William Higgins claims that you "can't negotiate
>> or bargain with psychopaths."
>>
>> Psychopaths will not only deny the past and trivialize it, but will
>> avoid answering your questions directly, and even if they seem to
>> answer them -- you can be sure that it's not the answer you were
>> looking for. It has been said that even when they do give you a
>> straight answer, the real issue will never be addressed by them,
>> although they may even claim to be honourable when it suits them. But
>> don't be fooled, for this is where the psychopath wants his victim --
>> he wants to shame you while at the same time fitting you into his
>> plans; this is because "psychopaths show a stunning lack of concern
>> for the devastating effects their actions have on others. Often they
>> are completely forthright about the matter, calmly stating that they
>> no have no sense of guilt, are not sorry for the pain and destruction
>> they have caused, and that there is no reason for them to be
>> concerned." [Hare, 41].
>>
>> On the other hand, "psychopaths sometimes verbalize remorse but then
>> contradict themselves in words or actions." [Hare, 41]. Psychopaths
>> may apologize or show remorse only to get away with something, but in
>> the end you will be stabbed in the back and realize how very shallow
>> their words were.
>>
>> The psychopath appears not to be able to remember what they had said
>> or committed to for very long. They seem to always be living in the
>> present. That is why they are usually guilty of being big "promise-
>> makers" who cannot live up to their word. Once again, it will be the
>> victim who must deal with the aftermath of all the psychopath's twists
>> and turns, and when he gets you angry enough, you will be discredited
>> as "defective" by him, and the psychopath will often make himself out
>> to be the real victim. As John Wayne Gacy once said, "I was the
>> victim, I was cheated out of my childhood."
>>
>> What often happens in the aftermath, as Field has stated, is that the
>> victim may repress his or her anger for a quite a while, but then,
>> often many months later, a sudden realization of the truth may come
>> over the individual, and the victim will finally realize that all
>> along he/she has been bullied by the psychopath. This is when the
>> victim suddenly becomes very angry and is motivated to have some sort
>> of justice. But when trying to obtain justice with a psychopath, be
>> aware that you will be the one to pay if you don't take a firm stand;
>> the experience will have you more confused and bewildered, and you may
>> even feel tempted to fight fire with fire.
>>
>> In some cases, our society allows psychopathy because we do not really
>> fight back against cheating and lying behaviours (one good example:
>> Bill Clinton). They are also good at tricking their own psychiatrists.
>> For instance, two individuals I (Wendy Koenigsmann) knew bragged that
>> they liked to play mind-games with psychiatrists.
>>
>> "I was the case-study; they could never figure out what was wrong with
>> me, so I would just play mind-games with them" commented one of them.
>> He also learned, from reading about psychiatry and having therapy,
>> that he could just "blame someone else" to get away with things. "I
>> just blame someone else" he said, nonchalantly.
>>
>> When asked, in particular, why he hated his mother so much, (he
>> claimed she physically/mentally/emotionally abused him), he replied,
>> "Because my mother projects all of the ******** she's ever been dumped
>> by on me."
>>
>> That is why Hare believes that therapy makes psychopaths worse; most
>> of them learn about human emotions through psychiatry, and they are
>> "eager to attribute their faults and problems to childhood abuse."
>> [Hare, 50]. Also, "antisocials (psychopaths) themselves can be
>> uncooperative or unpleasant, complicating efforts to study and treat
>> them." [Black, 12].
>>
>> As for recovery from the psychopath, despite the pain that may be left
>> (some people never recover, according to Field), you will learn how
>> very uncomplicated yet cowardly the psychopath's means of keeping cool
>> is. It's just the way the psychopath must function to maintain their
>> rather fragile (but set in stone for life) self-image.
>>
>> While few psychopaths commit violent crimes, the callousness of the
>> average psychopath usually ranges through subtle, but still
>> devastating misdeeds:
>>
>> "Parasitically bleeding other people of their possessions, savings,
>> and dignity; aggressively doing and taking what they want; shamefully
>> neglecting the physical and emotional welfare of their families;
>> engaging in an unending series of casual, impersonal, and trivial
>> sexual relationships; and so forth." [Hare, 45].
>>
>> This is a main feature of their lack of empathy.Also, be forewarned
>> that the psychopath will expend much effort (at the victim's cost), in
>> setting up plans, expectations, etc., but they give very little, or
>> nothing, in return. When he knows he's done something to you which you
>> may not comply with, he'll have an escape route ready. Most normal
>> people do the same thing, in a general sense, but the psychopath does
>> it out of pure selfishness, greed, and callousness. He won't care
>> whether it hurts your feelings or not, whatever treachery he enacts
>> will not be disguised once the show is over with him.
>>
>> I (Wendy Koenigsmann) would like to recount the experience of a friend
>> of mine from Japan. She had been communicating with a man who lived in
>> San Diego for over a year, and during the time of their
>> correspondences and phone calls, he seemed so "sweet, caring, and
>> kind." She mentioned how beautifully written his emails were, and so
>> on.
>>
>> It came to pass that this man asked my friend to marry him, and, to
>> top it off, he promised her that he had a job ready for her in the
>> city where he lived, he even sent her a letter from the company with
>> all the information.
>>
>> Well, my friend believed him and came to the United States to marry
>> him.
>>
>> On their first meeting, she mentioned how it was already the beginning
>> of the end, and how she should have seen it coming. She told him,
>> after they met at the airport, that she needed to make a phone call,
>> and instead of letting her use his cell-phone, he told her to use the
>> pay-phone. My friend, albeit naive, mentioned that this contradicted
>> his persona on the phone and through emails. She said she was a bit
>> shocked, but nevertheless she married him.
>>
>> As the weeks went by, things got worse. She found out that there was
>> no job, and that the letter he had sent her was actually just the
>> letterhead from the company copied onto another paper. In other words,
>> her new husband had committed forgery in order to trick her.
>>
>> Next, she began to receive phone calls from women in the Philippines
>> and Canada who told her that her new husband had been inviting them
>> (via online) to come and live with him. My friend was so distraught
>> that she told these women over and over that he was lying to all of
>> them while playing the biggest trick of all on her. The women didn't
>> believe it (why do women tend to disbelieve another woman when they
>> are trying to warn them?), but eventually, my friend told them "If you
>> want to see the proof that I am married to him, then come here and I
>> will prove it."
>>
>> Eventually, she learned from friends and family that Mr. Wonderful was
>> a pathological liar who had a long history of using women and having
>> his mother cover his tracks for him, and, sad to say, this wasn't the
>> only one she ran into. I can say the same, that is why I've written
>> this website, (Wendy Koenigsmann) because I can tell you that these
>> people are out there, and I don't want anything to happen to anyone
>> else or go through what my friend or myself have experienced. It is my
>> goal that through my website, more people, not only women, but men,
>> will become informed and not become victims themselves, because it is
>> truly a painful experience to deal with.
>>
>> So, what is the lowdown on dealing with psychopaths?
>>
>> Either avoid them, or, once you know or suspect what they are, avoid
>> them.
>>
>> Any further contact with a psychopath will be truly damaging. Once you
>> have been involved with a few of them, like many people I know, you
>> also learn to watch for the "red flags." This doesn't mean you should
>> be paranoid about people, just careful.
>>
>> The fact is, regardless of all studies and new therapies, psychopaths
>> are "hard-wired" for life-long bad behaviour. Leland M. Heller, M.D.,
>> writes that people who have this disorder have symptoms which include
>> lying, cheating, cruelty, criminal behaviour, irresponsibility, lack
>> of remorse, poor relationships, exploitation, manipulation,
>> destructiveness, irritability, aggressiveness, and job failures. Many
>> do not exhibit criminal behaviour, but act antisocially in socially
>> acceptable professions.
>>
>> Alcohol makes the disorder worse, and psychopaths are very prone to
>> substance abuse. The causes are often "poor parental discipline,
>> association with "bad" kids, and poor bonding with parents..."
>> [Heller, 75]. But the causes can also be mostly biological.
>>
>> Another characteristic is their unusual word usage, because they can't
>> distinguish between neutral and emotional words. One psychopathic
>> individual told me that he was "deftly afraid of needles" once, but
>> the word deftly implies "skill." Instead of saying "deathly afraid,"
>> he said "deftly," and never noticed it was wrong. (See Hare's book for
>> more interesting examples of this).
>>
>> Strangely enough, many find the psychopath's verbal deftness quite
>> charming, and psychopaths do tend to talk a lot, especially when
>> they're pouring on the charm.
>>
>> The question is, can you spot one before they get to you?
>>
>> That is why it's important to study whether or not you may be the type
>> who falls for them, who, in essence, becomes prey to believing in
>> them. Some people may find concern over psychopathy irrelevant, but
>> it's not. Psychopathy causes tremendous damage in our society, and
>> affects all levels of our lives. It causes illnesses and disorders
>> such as PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder). Money is also lost by
>> innocent victims to psychopaths, and these social predators also do
>> much economic damage to our society.
>>
>> Everyone, especially women, should learn to identify psychopathy and
>> watch for red flags. This doesn't mean diagnosing every man you date,
>> but preferably just being aware of the disorder can help out a lot!
>> After my own experiences, I truly believe in the saying "better safe
>> than sorry."
>>
>> I will emphasize once more that I do believe most women transfer what
>> they want to believe onto the psychopath, to the extent that he is
>> painted in an unrealistic light, so psychopaths can also "play with
>> your mind" in this regard. Most victims of the psychopath only see
>> what they want to see, initially. That is why Field says, "Naivete is
>> the great enemy."Many also "cling to the belief that their loved one
>> (the psychopath) simply has a few problems just like anyone else, not
>> the symptoms of a personality disorder." [Black, 59].
>>
>> In the book When Your Lover Is a Liar the issue of psychopathy and how
>> psychopaths manipulate women is also pointed out. The author believes
>> that a psychopath's greatest thrill is just being able to "pull the
>> wool" over a woman's eyes. For people who are emotionally normal, we
>> cannot understand what kind of thrill this is or why some of them
>> would go to such lengths in order to trick someone. But as Dr. Heller
>> states, "psychopaths feel no remorse, and actually enjoy their
>> antisocial behavior." (Heller, 76).
>>
>> Also, what I believe makes them most dangerous, is that they can be
>> quite charming and persuasive, and "they have remarkably good insight
>> into the needs and weaknesses of other people" as recounted in the
>> text, Psychology In Action: "Even when they are indifferent to the
>> rights of their associates, they are often able to inspire feelings of
>> trust and confidence." This is best exemplified by a psychopath who
>> professes that "everything is fine" while lying point-blank to your
>> face with seeming honesty and candor, and then, as soon as you turn
>> away for a second, he will stab you in the back.
>>
>> In the end, you will know them "by their fruits" so to speak. They
>> will be sure to let you know who's boss. As one female victim
>> recounted in Hare's book Without Conscience... she couldn't understand
>> how someone (the psychopath she had known) could have wormed his way
>> into her life and then just disappeared so easily. This is how they
>> operate. They just don't give a damn about anyone. Except themselves.
>>
>> Another very strong characteristic to look for (or listen for) is what
>> Dr. Hare refers to as "duping delight." It is as if the psychopath has
>> no need to lie or purpose in lying, the pleasure is attained through
>> merely pulling one over on somebody.
>>
>> As for addictions and so forth, "among the clearest of these links is
>> the one between ASP (psychopathy) and the abuse of alcohol and other
>> drugs," [Black, 91], although most psychopaths would never admit they
>> have a drinking problem, even when it's obvious. As one psychopath put
>> it, "I know how to drink. Drinking is a responsibility, I've been
>> doing it since I was 12."
>>
>> So, once again: Can psychopaths change? Can you change them?
>>
>> No, they choose to behave as they do, even though, to some extent they
>> do have a personality disorder. Dr. Black, however, believes that even
>> those patients who "show the greatest change seem unable to comprehend
>> the degree to which their actions affected those around them. They may
>> continue to live in emotional isolation. Self-interest is a natural
>> component of the human makeup, but it is especially strong in
>> antisocials and leaves many of them unable to develop full compassion,
>> conscience, and other attributes that make for successful social
>> relations." [Black, 144].
>>
>> "Don't Expect A Miracle"
>> In consequence, whether or not they can't or don't desire to change,
>> studies have shown that they won't change, in general, so don't waste
>> your time trying to help or change them, for the help you offer will
>> always be repaid to you in full by treachery. Black also believes that
>> "victims may fear revenge or other potential consequences, but leaving
>> the abusive situation (with a psychopath) is often better than trying
>> to survive in a relationship built on intimidation and violence."
>> [Black, 185]. Personally, I also believe that it's better to not
>> accept meager crumbs of fake affection from a psychopath. No one needs
>> that kind of abuse. If you keep taking that abuse, I can grant you
>> that you will pay for it both mentally and emotionally, for a very
>> long time. The end result is what is referred to as having been
>> psychologically battered.
>>
>> Some people, feeling that they need to save others (co-dependents),
>> and perhaps a bit proud in their need to prove a point, often fall
>> prey to psychopaths because they refuse to believe the truth. I also
>> wanted to make note that some psychopaths appear to show some insight
>> into their own personality make-up ("I'm a jerk," etc.); however, this
>> does not really mean that they care how they behave. They choose to
>> behave this way.
>>
>> The aftermath of dealing with these individuals and the recovery
>> process can be a "long, slow and painful process" according to Field -
>> - but one must remember that if you have been a victim (target) you
>> are only the "latest in a long line of people onto whom he (the
>> psychopath) had to displace his aggression. He will probably do this
>> throughout his life." Sad to say, "antisocials (psychopaths) often
>> spend their last years alone, sometimes plagued by regret for what
>> they never knew they were missing until it was too late." [Black, 89].
>>
>> Do I find this a sad fact? Yes. It is very sad and I find it extremely
>> unfortunate that there are people who live their lives this way. But
>> like I mentioned before, as I cannot emphasize this enough: no matter
>> how much pity or compassion you may have for a psychopathic
>> individual, don't try "saving" them. It will only hurt you in the end.
>> As my friend from Japan stated, "(These people) just don't care
>> whether what they do may ruin your life! They can ruin your life!"
>>
>> Cleckley's original list of symptoms of a psychopath:
>> 1. Considerable superficial charm and average or above average
>> intelligence.
>>
>> 2. Absence of delusions and other signs of irrational thinking
>>
>> 3. Absence of anxiety or other "neurotic" symptoms considerable poise,
>> calmness, and verbal facility.
>>
>> 4. Unreliability, disregard for obligations no sense of
>> responsibility, in matters of little and great import.
>>
>> 5.Untruthfulness and insincerity
>>
>> 7. Antisocial behavior which is inadequately motivated and poorly
>> planned, seeming to stem from an inexplicable impulsiveness.
>>
>> 7.Inadequately motivated antisocial behavior
>>
>> 8.Poor judgment and failure to learn from experience
>>
>> 9. Pathological egocentricity. Total self-centeredness incapacity for
>> real love and attachment.
>>
>> 10. General poverty ot deep and lasting emotions.
>>
>> 11. Lack of any true insight, inability to see oneself as others do.
>>
>> 12. Ingratitude for any special considerations, kindness, and trust.
>>
>> 13. Fantastic and objectionable behavior, after drinking and sometimes
>> even when not drinking--vulgarity, rudeness, quick mood shifts,
>> pranks.
>>
>> 14. No history of genuine suicide attempts.
>>
>> 15. An impersonal, trivial, and poorly integrated --- life.
>>
>> 16. Failure to have a life plan and to live in any ordered way, unless
>> it be one promoting self-defeat.
>>
>> "...More often than not, the typical psychopath will seem particularly
>> agreeable and make a distinctly positive impression when he is first
>> encountered. Alert and friendly in his attitude, he is easy to talk
>> with and seems to have a good many genuine interests. There is nothing
>> at all odd or queer about him, and in every respect he tends to embody
>> the concept of a well-adjusted, happy person. Nor does he, on the
>> other hand, seem to be artificially exerting himself like one who is
>> covering up or who wants to sell you a bill of goods. He would seldom
>> be confused with the professional backslapper or someone who is trying
>> to ingratiate himself for a concealed purpose. Signs of affectation or
>> excessive affability are not characteristic. He looks like the real
>> thing.
>>
>> "Very often indications of good sense and sound reasoning will emerge,
>> and one is likely to feel soon after meeting him that this normal and
>> pleasant person is also one with -high abilities. Psychometric tests
>> also very frequently show him of superior intelligence. More than the
>> average person, he is likely to seem free from social or emotional
>> impediments, from the minor distortions, peculiarities, and
>> awkwardnesses so common even among the successful. Such superficial
>> characteristics are not universal in this group but they are very
>> common..."
>>
>> "...It must be granted of course that the psychopath has some affect.
>> Affect is, perhaps, a component in the sum of life reactions even in
>> the unicellular protoplasmic entity. Certainly in all mammals it is
>> obvious. The relatively petty states of pleasure, vexation, and
>> animosity experienced by the psychopath have been mentioned. The
>> opinion here maintained is that he fails to know all those more
>> serious and deeply moving affective states which make up the tragedy
>> and triumph of ordinary life, of life at the level of important human
>> experience..."
>>
>> Hare's Checklist
>> 1. GLIB and SUPERFICIAL CHARM -- the tendency to be smooth, engaging,
>> charming, slick, and verbally facile. Psychopathic charm is not in the
>> least shy, self-conscious, or afraid to say anything. A psychopath
>> never gets tongue-tied. They have freed themselves from the social
>> conventions about taking turns in talking, for example.
>>
>> 2. GRANDIOSE SELF-WORTH -- a grossly inflated view of one's abilities
>> and self-worth, self-assured, opinionated, cocky, a braggart.
>> Psychopaths are arrogant people who believe they are superior human
>> beings.
>>
>> 3. NEED FOR STIMULATION or PRONENESS TO BOREDOM -- an excessive need
>> for novel, thrilling, and exciting stimulation; taking chances and
>> doing things that are risky. Psychopaths often have a low
>> self-discipline in carrying tasks through to completion because they
>> get bored easily. They fail to work at the same job for any length of
>> time, for example, or to finish tasks that they consider dull or
>> routine.
>>
>> 4. PATHOLOGICAL LYING -- can be moderate or high; in moderate form,
>> they will be shrewd, crafty, cunning, sly, and clever; in extreme
>> form, they will be deceptive, deceitful, underhanded, unscrupulous,
>> manipulative, and dishonest.
>>
>> 5. CONNING AND MANIPULATIVENESS- the use of deceit and deception to
>> cheat, con, or defraud others for personal gain; distinguished from
>> Item #4 in the degree to which exploitation and callous ruthlessness
>> is present, as reflected in a lack of concern for the feelings and
>> suffering of one's victims.
>>
>> 6. LACK OF REMORSE OR GUILT -- a lack of feelings or concern for the
>> losses, pain, and suffering of victims; a tendency to be unconcerned,
>> dispassionate, coldhearted, and unempathic. This item is usually
>> demonstrated by a disdain for one's victims.
>>
>> 7. SHALLOW AFFECT -- emotional poverty or a limited range or depth of
>> feelings; interpersonal coldness in spite of signs of open
>> gregariousness.
>>
>> 8. CALLOUSNESS and LACK OF EMPATHY -- a lack of feelings toward people
>> in general; cold, contemptuous, inconsiderate, and tactless.
>>
>> 9. PARASITIC LIFESTYLE -- an intentional, manipulative, selfish, and
>> exploitative financial dependence on others as reflected in a lack of
>> motivation, low self-discipline, and inability to begin or complete
>> responsibilities.
>>
>> 10. POOR BEHAVIORAL CONTROLS -- expressions of irritability,
>> annoyance, impatience, threats, aggression, and verbal abuse;
>> inadequate control of anger and temper; acting hastily.
>>
>> 11. PROMISCUOUS SEXUAL BEHAVIOR -- a variety of brief, superficial
>> relations, numerous affairs, and an indiscriminate selection of sexual
>> partners; the maintenance of several relationships at the same time; a
>> history of attempts to sexually coerce others into sexual activity or
>> taking great pride at discussing sexual exploits or conquests.
>>
>> 12. EARLY BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS -- a variety of behaviors prior to age 13,
>> including lying, theft, cheating, vandalism, bullying, sexual
>> activity, fire-setting, glue-sniffing, alcohol use, and running away
>> from home.
>>
>> 13. LACK OF REALISTIC, LONG-TERM GOALS -- an inability or persistent
>> failure to develop and execute long-term plans and goals; a nomadic
>> existence, aimless, lacking direction in life.
>>
>> 14. IMPULSIVITY -- the occurrence of behaviors that are unpremeditated
>> and lack reflection or planning; inability to resist temptation,
>> frustrations, and urges; a lack of deliberation without considering
>> the consequences; foolhardy, rash, unpredictable, erratic, and
>> reckless.
>>
>> 15. IRRESPONSIBILITY -- repeated failure to fulfill or honor
>> obligations and commitments; such as not paying bills, defaulting on
>> loans, performing sloppy work, being absent or late to work, failing
>> to honor contractual agreements.
>>
>> 16. FAILURE TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR OWN ACTIONS -- a failure to
>> accept responsibility for one's actions reflected in low
>> conscientiousness, an absence of dutifulness, antagonistic
>> manipulation, denial of responsibility, and an effort to manipulate
>> others through this denial.
>>
>> 17. MANY SHORT-TERM MARITAL RELATIONSHIPS -- a lack of commitment to a
>> long-term relationship reflected in inconsistent, undependable, and
>> unreliable commitments in life, including marital.
>>
>> 18. JUVENILE DELINQUENCY -- behavior problems between the ages of
>> 13-18; mostly behaviors that are crimes or clearly involve aspects of
>> antagonism, exploitation, aggression, manipulation, or a callous,
>> ruthless tough-mindedness.
>>
>> 19. REVOCATION OF CONDITION RELEASE -- a revocation of probation or
>> other conditional release due to technical violations, such as
>> carelessness, low deliberation, or failing to appear.
>>
>> 20. CRIMINAL VERSATILITY -- a diversity of types of criminal offenses,
>> regardless if the person has been arrested or convicted for them;
>> taking great pride at getting away with crimes.
>>
>>
>>
>> NEXT: How Psychopaths View Their World
>>
>> From: An American Obsession ... the Psychopath
>>
>> I wish to educate and warn you the reader of some of the more common
>> signs that the person in question -- usually a male -- is someone you
>> should detach from...and quickly! The sooner you can detect a
>> troublesome person, the better off you will be. One quick check is
>> your placement of him/r on the ------- scale. Now remember, not every
>> jerk or idiot is necessarily psychotic! However, the psychopath is an
>> extreme form of the "-------" personality type, they've just learned
>> to conceal it most of the time and appear to be "nice, charming"
>> people. They are developmentally stuck in their early years, still
>> fighting the battles of authority and parental control over them!
>>
>

24Bit®

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:53:53 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote:



Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured
Norman Doidge
National Post
What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that
every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy?

That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is
illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 ---
offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in
Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths.
All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their
"offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was
found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment
behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more
likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter
Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals.

The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally
-- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more
than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed
in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in
our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by
appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity,
since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated
treatments really psychotherapy?

Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a
self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on.
Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely
because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use
psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for
concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives,
which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and
concern by definition.

But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially
on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt
co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching
new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a
psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given
moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit.
Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories
that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths.

Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute
clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from
Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by
something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the
prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system.
Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the
community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any
psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect.

The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions.
To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their
miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are
short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in
eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over.

I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her
boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of
other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from
a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume
self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can
raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches
or "negative tapes" in her head.

Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an
ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise
backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their
consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest
of mankind how to be remorseless.

But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part
of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is
sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task
force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards
with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around
prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should
carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible
choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would
be practised.

So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute
1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all
crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's
just say they are beyond therapy.

That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are
psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have
low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term
intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical
evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from
treatment.

The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of
mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of
forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an
unwillingness to make basic distinctions.

In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a
hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous
person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as
we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his
soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is
always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to
control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what
is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the
bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the
virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not
"conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue,
that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the
physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence
shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and
functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our
notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions
into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked
by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious.

> There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
>over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
>possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
>Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
>coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
>Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
>course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
>Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
>obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
>when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
>elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
>remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
>little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
>head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
>even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
> Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
>As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it!
> But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
>fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@***.net,
>abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
> I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
>passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
>stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
>all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
>each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------.
>It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
> Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
>other accusations would be thrown out of court.
> When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
>man??????????
> People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
>hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
>Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
>groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
>Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
>Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
> You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
>suggest!!!!!
> If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
>Sheriffs Department.
> I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
>man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
>I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
>contradicts it's self.
> You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward.
> I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
>participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
>life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
> I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
>S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
>24bit:
>12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
>will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or
>LW------@------.net
> Sincerely,
> Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
> You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital
>before you hurt yourself or someone else.
> Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/******* like you at
>the top of your groups! :-)
> The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my
>Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that,
>coward.
> BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of.
>:-)
> I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a
>straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again.
> Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.
> There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only
>******* like would think of.
> That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic
>------.
> Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>
>"24Bit®" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message
>news:equah3pah7kfsjc75u7fhh3d6knjtd3vem@4ax.com.. .
>>
>> Psychopaths cannot be understood in terms of antisocial rearing or
>> development. They are simply morally depraved individuals who
>> represent the "monsters" in our society. They are unstoppable and
>> untreatable predators whose violence is planned, purposeful and
>> emotionless. The violence continues until it reaches a plateau at age
>> 60 or so, then tapers off.
>>
>> Their emotionlessness reflects a detached, fearless, and possibly
>> dissociated state, revealing a low-state autonomic nervous system and
>> lack of anxiety. It's difficult to say what motivates them - control
>> and dominance possibly - since their life history will usually show no
>> long-standing bonds with others nor much rhyme to their reason (other
>> than the planning of violence).
>>
>> They tend to operate with a grandiose demeanor, an attitude of
>> entitlement, an insatiable appetite, and a tendency toward sadism.
>> Fearlessness is probably the prototypical (core) characteristic (the
>> low-fear hypothesis). It's helpful to think of them as high-speed
>> vehicles with ineffective brakes.
>>
>> Certain organic (brain) disorders and hormonal imbalances mimic the
>> state of mind of a psychopath.
>>
>> There are four (4) different subtypes of psychopaths. The oldest
>> distinction was made by Cleckley back in 1941 between primary and
>> secondary.
>>
>> PRIMARY PSYCHOPATHS do not respond to punishment, apprehension,
>> stress, or disapproval. They seem to be able to inhibit their
>> antisocial impulses most of the time, not because of conscience, but
>> because it suits their purpose at the time. Words do not seem to have
>> the same meaning for them as they do for us. In fact, it's unclear if
>> they even grasp the meaning of their own words, a condition that
>> Cleckley called "semantic aphasia." They don't follow any life plan,
>> and it seems as if they are incapable of experiencing any genuine
>> emotion.
>>
>> SECONDARY PSYCHOPATHS are risk-takers, but are also more likely to be
>> stress-reactive, worriers, and guilt-prone. They expose themselves to
>> more stress than the average person, but they are as vulnerable to
>> stress as the average person. (This suggests that they are not "fully
>> psychopathic." This may be due to distinctive genetic variations.)
>>
>> They are daring, adventurous, unconventional people who began playing
>> by their own rules early in life. They are strongly driven by a desire
>> to escape or avoid pain, but are unable to resist temptation. As their
>> anxiety increases toward some forbidden object, so does their
>> attraction to it. They live their lives by the lure of temptation.
>> Both primary and secondary psychopaths can be subdivided into:
>>
>> DISTEMPERED PSYCHOPATHS are the kind that seem to fly into a rage or
>> frenzy more easily and more often than other subtypes. Their frenzy
>> will resemble an epileptic fit. They are also usually men with
>> incredibly strong --- drives, capable of astonishing feats of sexual
>> energy, and seemingly obsessed by sexual urges during a large part of
>> their waking lives. Powerful cravings also seem to characterize them,
>> as in drug addiction, kleptomania, pedophilia, any illicit or illegal
>> indulgence. They like the endorphin "high" or "rush" off of excitement
>> and risk-taking. The serial-rapist-murderer known as the Boston
>> Strangler was such a psychopath.
>>
>> CHARISMATIC PSYCHOPATHS are charming, attractive liars. They are
>> usually gifted at some talent or another, and they use it to their
>> advantage in manipulating others. They are usually fast-talkers, and
>> possess an almost demonic ability to persuade others out of everything
>> they own, even their lives. Leaders of religious sects or cults, for
>> example, might be psychopaths if they lead their followers to their
>> deaths. This subtype often comes to believe in their own fictions.
>> They are irresistible.
>>
>> Sociopaths have always existed in varying form and to various degrees.
>> They have been known by various titles. They have been studied using
>> various techniques, and through the years their ailment has been
>> blamed on various causes. But one thing never varies: all sociopaths
>> share three common characteristics. They are all very egocentric
>> individuals with no empathy for others, and they are incapable of
>> feeling remorse or guilt. [The Sociopath Rebecca Horton (April 1999)]
>>
>> While the psychopath has likes and dislikes and fondness for the
>> pleasures that human company can bring, analysis shows that he is
>> completely egocentric, valuing others only for their enhancement of
>> his own pleasure or status. While he gives no real love, he is quite
>> capable of inspiring love of sometimes fanatical degree in others.
>>
>> He is generally superficially charming and often makes a striking
>> impression as possessed of the noblest of human qualities. He makes
>> friends easily, and is very manipulative, using his ability with words
>> to talk his way out of trouble. Many psychopaths love to be admired
>> and bask in the adulation of others.
>>
>> With the lack of love, there is also a lack of empathy. The psychopath
>> is unable to feel sorry for others in unfortunate situations or put
>> himself in another's place, whether or not they have been harmed by
>> him.[Gordon Banks]
>>
>>
>> How Psychopaths View The World
>> Not only do they covet possessions and power, but they gain special
>> pleasure in usurping and taking from others (a symbolic sibling, for
>> example); what they can plagiarize, swindle, and extort are fruits far
>> sweeter than those they can earn through honest labor.
>>
>> And once having drained what they can from one source, they turn to
>> another to exploit, bleed, and then cast aside; their pleasure in the
>> misfortune of others is unquenchable. People are used as a means to an
>> end; they are to be subordinated and demeaned so that the antisocial
>> can vindicate themselves...
>>
>> The causes of this sociopathic disorder have been narrowed to several
>> factors through research. One of the primary causes of sociopathic
>> behavior is believed to be neurological abnormalities mainly in the
>> frontal lobe of the brain. This area is also related to fear
>> conditioning. The abnormal anatomy or chemical activity within this
>> area of the brain may be caused by abnormal growth (possibly genetic),
>> brain disease, or injury. This theory has been supported by much
>> research using positron emission tomography (PET) which visually shows
>> the metabolic activity of neurons within the brain (Sabbatini, 1998).
>>
>> The amygdalae, two small regions buried near the base of the brain,
>> have long been known to affect aggression, sexuality and recklessness.
>> Recently, they have also been shown to affect how people interpret the
>> emotions of others. Subtle damage to the amygdalae may explain many of
>> the characteristics of psychopaths - including the difficulty of
>> getting through to them emotionally. It may be that they simply cannot
>> "see" emotions in others. [Are You Married to a Psychopath?]
>>
>> The psychopath is a manipulator, who knows exactly what makes us tick
>> and knows how to manipulate and influence our feelings.
>>
>> They have the talent to spot "kind, caring" women.
>>
>> Mimicry is often used to convince others that the psychopath is a
>> normal human being. He does this to create a false empathy with his
>> victim. The psychopath will try to make you believe he has normal
>> emotions by spinning some sad tale or professing profound, moving
>> experiences; the truth is, most psychopaths go through life as in an
>> incubator, touched by few and having no real compassion for others;
>> but they will lie to convince you that they have normal emotions.
>>
>> The pity factor is one reason why victims often fall for these "poor"
>> people.
>>
>> Lying is like breathing to the psychopath. When caught in a lie and
>> challenged, they make up new lies, and don't care if they're found
>> out. As Hare states,
>>
>> "Lying, deceiving, and manipulation are natural talents for
>> psychopaths...When caught in a lie or challenged with the truth, they
>> are seldom perplexed or embarrassed -- they simply change their
>> stories or attempt to rework the facts so that they appear to be
>> consistent with the lie. The results are a series of contradictory
>> statements and a thoroughly confused listener." [Hare].
>>
>> Often, their behavior serves to confuse and repress their victims, or
>> to influence anyone who might listen to the psychopath's side of the
>> story.
>>
>> Manipulation is the key to their conquests, and lying is one way they
>> achieve this.
>>
>> One almost amusing example of how psychopaths lie can be exemplified
>> by a man who's footprint was discovered at the scene of the crime.
>> "No, that's not my foot" he said, even though everyone knew he was
>> lying.
>>
>> This is how psychopaths operate. They will deny reality until their
>> victims have a nervous breakdown. Often, the psychopath will turn on
>> the victim and claim that the victim suffers from "delusions" and is
>> not mentally stable.
>>
>> The psychopath is primarily distracted and impressed by his own
>> grandiose self-representation, which often leads to him unwittingly
>> telling people things that lead to his detection. They often forget
>> the lies they told and tell contradicting tales, which often makes the
>> listener wonder if either the psychopath is crazy, although in this
>> case the psychopath isn't really crazy -- he's just forgotten what
>> lies he's told.
>>
>> The most amazing thing, however, is their selective memory. A
>> psychopath might not remember the promises he made to you yesterday,
>> but he will remember something from the past if it suits his purposes
>> in some way. They often do this whenever they're confronted or caught
>> in a lie.
>>
>> Most psychopaths are very arrogant and cocky. However, when charming a
>> potential victim, they say all the "right" things and make you believe
>> they are kind-hearted souls; not always, but often enough. The truth
>> is, psychopaths are not altruistic and do not really care about
>> friendships or ties.
>>
>> Guggenbuhl-Craig states that " they are very talented at appearing
>> much more humble than the average person, but are hardly so." Some are
>> also able to feign concern about the lower classes and profess that
>> they are on the side of the underdog, the poor, and so forth. A
>> psychopath may claim, for instance (if he's from a low socioeconomic
>> class), that he dislikes rich people intensely, but at the same time,
>> he will inwardly yearn and envy what they have. He is like the
>> narcissist, desiring to reflect a false image of himself through his
>> possessions. Among his possessions are included human beings:
>> girlfriends, wives, and children.
>>
>> Some psychopaths can even be very fond of animals (contrary to the
>> common viewpoint), but still view them as objects in relation to
>> themselves.
>>
>> In general, most psychopaths will brag endlessly about their exploits
>> and "bad" things they've done (often called a warning sign, which will
>> ward off careful souls), but more often than not, the woman who is
>> fascinated by him will not listen to reason, even if she is warned by
>> others who know him about his past behaviors.
>>
>> Why? Once again, because the psychopath makes her feel so "special."
>>
>> Please ladies, if you're stuck on any man who is like this, you must
>> come to terms with the fact that it is NOT his REAL personality. He is
>> only playing a ROLE for you.
>>
>> Dr. Black states that one of the most obvious signs of psychopathy is
>> the way the individual will brag about his experiences, no matter "how
>> unsavory...his apparent comfort with his deviant behavior, the ease
>> with which he discuss(es) breaking every rule, (is) consistent with
>> ASP (psychopathy)." [Black, 68].
>>
>> The psychopath is filled with greed inside, relating to the world
>> through power, even though, as I said, on the outside he can claim to
>> be on the side of the disenfranchised or the downtrodden. I knew one
>> who liked to repeat phrases such as "they have to stop keeping my
>> brothers down" but he didn't mean a word of it. He was actually a
>> racist. The psychopath can also often identify himself as a
>> revolutionary.
>>
>> On the flip side, the psychopath also often paints a picture of
>> himself as the downcast anti-hero (his "own worst enemy type") and
>> some like to see themselves as lone-wolves. The psychopath may even
>> claim he is sensitive and profound, but inside he is nothing but
>> emptiness and greed.
>>
>> Whether or not the psychopath is aware of his behavior is something
>> that is often debated. I do believe that psychopaths usually know
>> exactly what they are doing, although others suggest that psychopaths
>> are "born, not made."
>>
>> As mentioned, psychopaths often claim to settle for second best (being
>> their own worst enemy) and then think they deserve better. This may be
>> manifested in the way they seek power -- either through money (i.e.
>> material goods), manipulation and/or treating people as objects. By
>> enacting such behaviors, the psychopath is also trying to "get back"
>> at society and the world, in order to gain retribution. They will
>> spend their entire lives doing this, whether they are rich or poor, or
>> whatever their social background may be, although studies have shown
>> that they often come from an impoverished or lower socio- economic
>> background and/or social status. (In one of Dr. Donald Black's
>> studies, many of the men were "overwhelmingly white, blue collar,
>> lower middle class, and married, and most had not graduated from high
>> school." [Black, 14]).
>>
>> Let me add, despite Dr. Blacks' studies, psychopaths can still exist
>> in any social class. Do not be misled. I also wanted to point out that
>> I will be using "he" and "him" for the term psychopath throughout this
>> website; let it not be forgotten, yes, female psychopaths exist as
>> well; however, according to the Sixth Edition of Abnormal Behavior,
>> printed in 2000 by three male professors, David, Derald, and Stanley
>> Sue, the rates do differ by gender. Included in their excellent text
>> is a report by the The American Psychiatric Association that the
>> general estimate is 3% for men, and less than 1% in women [Personality
>> Disorders and Impulse Control Disorders, 238].
>>
>> What is very disturbing about psychopaths, besides their sense of
>> special entitlement, is the complete lack of empathy for normal
>> people, for "antisocials (psychopaths) seem to lack a conscience,
>> feeling little or no empathy for the people whose lives they
>> touch...the antisocial effortlessly resists all regulation, unable to
>> see beyond his self-interest or to adopt standards of right versus
>> wrong." [Black, XIII].
>>
>> Not all psychopath are uneducated low-class misfits. Some of them are
>> quite handsome and have good careers, and use this all the more to
>> their benefit. Take a look at Ted Bundy; my friend's mother once went
>> on a double-date with him and claimed he was the nicest person. His
>> mother said he was the "best son any mother could have." Bundy was
>> also apparently quite good-looking, which made him even more
>> dangerous. So not all psychopaths are derelict, low-class, high school
>> drop-outs, there are many who also work in professional occupations;
>> the fact remains that there are just more psychopaths who come from
>> impoverished backgrounds than not.
>>
>> [QFG Note: Black's claim that more "psychopaths" come from
>> impoverished backgrounds seems to be coming under some revision. In
>> fact, Black does not seem to have a truly good grasp of the difference
>> between Psychopathy and Antisocial Personality Disorder. As Robert
>> Hare points out, yes, there are many psychopaths who are also
>> "anti-socials" but there seem to be far more of them that would never
>> be classified as anti-social or "sociopathic."
>>
>> In a recent paper, "Construct VAlidity of Psychopathy in a Community
>> Sample: A Nomological Net Approach, Salekin, Trobst, Krioukova,
>> Journal of Personality Disorders, 15(5), 425-441, 2001), the authors
>> state:
>>
>> "Psychopathy, as originally conceived by Cleckley (1941), is not
>> limited to engagement in illegal activities, but rather encompasses
>> such personality characteristics as manipulativeness, insincerity,
>> egocentricity, and lack of guilt - characteristics clearly present in
>> criminals but also in spouses, parents, bosses, attorneys,
>> politicians, and CEOs, to name but a few. (Bursten, 1973; Stewart,
>> 1991). Our own examination of the prevalence of psychopathy within a
>> university population suggested that perhaps 5% or more of this sample
>> might be deemed psychopathic, although the vast majority of those will
>> be male (more than 1/10 males versus approximately 1?100 females).
>>
>> "As such, psychopathy may be characterized ... as involving a tendency
>> towards both dominance and coldness. Wiggins (1995) in summarizing
>> numerous previous findings... indicates that such individuals are
>> prone to anger and irritation and are willing to exploit others. They
>> are arrogant, manipulative, cynical, exhibitionistic, sensation
>> -seeking, Machiavellian, vindictive, and out for their own gain. With
>> respect to their patterns of social exchange (Foa & Foa, 1974), they
>> attribute love and status to themselves, seeing themselves as highly
>> worthy and important, but prescribe neither love nor status to others,
>> seeing them as unworthy and insignificant. This characterization is
>> clearly consistent with the essence of psychopathy as commonly
>> described.
>>
>> "The present investigation sought to answer some basic questions
>> regarding the construct of psychopathy in non forensic settings... In
>> so doing we have returned to Cleckley's (1941) original emphasis on
>> psychopathy as a personality style not only among criminals, but also
>> among successful individuals within the community.
>>
>> "What is clear from our findings is that (a) psychopathy measures have
>> converged on a prototype of psychopathy that involves a combination of
>> dominant and cold interpersonal characteristics; (b) psychopathy does
>> occur in the community and at what might be a higher than expected
>> rate; and (c) psychopathy appears to have little overlap with
>> personality disorders aside from Antisocial Personality Disorder. ...
>>
>> "Clearly, where much more work is needed is in understanding what
>> factors differentiate the abiding (although perhaps not moral-abiding)
>> psychopath from the law-breaking psychopath; such research surely
>> needs to make greater use of non forensic samples than has been
>> customary in the past."
>>
>> In short, if you want to learn about psychopathy, don't read Black.
>> The only kind he had to study were the failures, the ones who ended up
>> in jail or psychiatric hospitals. Keep this in mind as you continue to
>> read the excerpts on this page.]
>>
>> Also, not all psychopaths are calm, cool, and collected. Some of them
>> appear strange or odd, and their behavior can be eccentric or unusual.
>> I believe this is what can confuse victims most often. Psychopaths
>> often appear intense and "electrifying". Do not be misled if someone
>> appears harmless, "foolish", or seems offbeat. An "angelic" visage can
>> also often fool people. Just picture John Wayne Gacy in his "clown
>> costume" as he entertained children as one example.
>>
>> Another example which someone on the "Victims of Psychopathy" board
>> came up with was Bill Clinton and his "goofy" yet loveable demeanor
>> (so is Clinton really a psychopath? Many believe he is).
>>
>> A psychopath (he was diagnosed anti-social) I knew used the harmless
>> cover-up quite well. Everyone thought he was very funny. I did too, at
>> first. Then, little by little, I realised there was something "not
>> right" about him. At first his seemingly harmless pranks were
>> charming, but after a while, he became more of a nuisance and
>> disrupted our work environment, which created havoc and tension
>> between employees. I've learned, a psychopath can use these disguises
>> for his own hidden purpose.
>>
>> Regardless of race, social class, or occupation, however, the
>> psychopath is dangerous to society, for "the nature of ASP
>> (psychopathy) implies that it wreaks more havoc on society than most
>> other mental illnesses do, since the disorder primarily involves
>> reactions against the social environment that drag other people into
>> its destructive web...The despair and anxiety wrought by antisocials
>> (psychopaths) tragically affects families and communities, leaving
>> deep physical and emotional scars..." [Black, 5].
>>
>> There is much to the psychopathic personality which is baffling and
>> disturbing. 1 in about 25-30 people are psychopathic (also known as
>> sociopaths or anti-social -- the correct title being psychopath.)
>> Since the majority or them are men, I (Wendy Koenigsmann) wrote this
>> site in part, to warn women about the dangers, especially women
>> online, which I believe is a favourite "new medium" which appeals to
>> psychopaths. I have personal experience with this subject as well.
>> This is because "antisocials (psychopaths) are not just characters in
>> our fictional or true-life entertainments. They are family members,
>> friends, co-workers, neighbors, or strangers we may encounter every
>> day." [Black, 10].
>>
>> Pamela Jayne, M.A., writes that "30% of men are sociopathic." [QFG
>> note that she is not using the term "psychopath".] If about every
>> three out of ten men I may meet are psychopathic, I would assume this
>> is not something to take lightly. According to these statistics, that
>> would mean every three out of ten men and maybe every one out of ten
>> females.
>>
>> The truth is, we do not really know exactly how many individuals are
>> psychopathic; however, there seems to be a rise in the prevalence of
>> psychopathy and that is why some claim that numbers are higher. Dr.
>> Black claims that psychopathy leads right behind depression, along
>> with schizophrenia and borderline personality disorder, which is an
>> astounding fact.
>>
>> [QFG note: Hare says that Psychopathy is MORE prevalent than
>> depression, schizophrenia and BPD. For all we know, many people who
>> are depressed, become schizophrenic, or develop BPD, do so as a result
>> of interactions with psychopaths. Psychologist Andrew Lobaczewski says
>> as much in his book "Political Ponerology."]
>>
>> Psychopaths are often witty and articulate and almost always "glib."
>> They can be "amusing and entertaining conversationalists, ready with a
>> quick and clever comeback, and can tell unlikely but convincing
>> stories...
>>
>> They can be very effective in presenting themselves well and are often
>> very likeable and charming. To some people, however, they seem too
>> slick and smooth, too obviously insincere and superficial. Astute
>> observers often get the impression that psychopaths are play-acting,
>> mechanically "reading their lines." [Hare, 35].
>>
>> ...They may ramble and tell stories that seem unlikely in light of
>> what is known about them. Typically, they attempt to appear familiar
>> with sociology, psychiatry, medicine, psychology, philosophy, poetry,
>> literature, art, or law. A signpost to this trait is often a smooth
>> lack of concern at being found out." [Hare, 35].
>>
>> One psychopathic individual I knew claimed that he had a genius IQ and
>> that he was studying several different majors at college. "When I
>> found out I had a genius IQ, that's when all my trouble started" he
>> said. I asked him, "Why?" He replied, "'Cause I'm too smart for my own
>> good." In the end I found out these were lies because he was, in fact,
>> a high school drop-out.
>>
>> [QFG note: Being a "high-school drop-out" doesn't mean that a person
>> is NOT a genius. In fact, considering the U.S. education system, it is
>> very likely that many geniuses WILL drop out due to frustration and
>> boredom.]
>>
>> Despite their failures, psychopaths have a very "narcissistic and
>> grossly inflated view of their self-worth and importance, a truly
>> astounding egocentricity and sense of entitlement, and see themselves
>> as the center of the universe, as superior beings who are justified in
>> living according to their own rules." [Hare, 38].
>>
>> They often come across as "arrogant, shameless
>> braggarts--self-assured, opinionated, domineering, and cocky. They
>> love to have power and control over others and seem unable to believe
>> that people have valid opinions different from theirs. They appear
>> charismatic or 'electrifying' to some people." [Hare, 38].
>>
>> I (Wendy Koenigsmann) know exactly what Hare means when I recall one
>> person I used to know (who had been diagnosed); he always seemed to be
>> charming everyone around him, although in the end every woman who fell
>> for him ended up becoming hostile when they realized all he had been
>> doing was leading each one on simultaneously.
>>
>> The psychopath is callous, remorseless, and unempathetic, although at
>> first glance he may not seem that way. He is often exceedingly witty,
>> chameleon-like, charming (but not always, especially when not in a
>> "good" mood), the person who attracts a circle of admirers around him
>> at every party, but more often that not, he is usually avoided -- once
>> people find out what he's really like.
>>
>> Psychopaths often end up associating with others like themselves,
>> although in some cases they don't always get along that well.
>> Sometimes they pair up with other psychopaths and become a close team,
>> one may be a "talker" while the other is a "doer," and so forth,
>> although I (Wendy Koenigsmann) strongly believe that these roles are
>> interchangeable when dealing with a psychopathic duo. Hare states, "As
>> long as their interests are complimentary, they make a formidable
>> pair." [Hare, 65]. It has also been reported that some acquaintances
>> may never really discover their truly dark side.
>>
>> Psychopaths and Relationships
>> It is in this realm that the psychopath comes closest to the
>> psychotic. While seemingly in full possession of his reasoning
>> ability, by all the means of clinical psychology to test and assess
>> them, the psychopath demonstrates an inability to comprehend the
>> meaning and significance of his behavior for other people, and to
>> judge their probable reactions to his behavior. He is often astounded
>> to find that people are upset by his exploits. [Gordon Banks]
>>
>> . .Histrionic...women are particularly attracted and vulnerable to
>> psychopathic males. The hysteric-personality-disordered female is
>> likely to be enamored of the psychopath...She is able...to reciprocate
>> in this projective-introjective cycle by predominately idealizing the
>> psychopathic character. Her need for attachment and dependency
>> complements his desire for detachment and autonomy; she perceives
>> others as all-giving and benevolent, and he perceives others as
>> all-taking and malevolent.
>>
>> The hysterical woman is immune to developing a healthy suspicion when
>> details or circumstances don't fit (also relating to the illogicity of
>> his thoughts/behavior) or do not corroborate the psychopath's oral
>> version of his history. [From "The Psychopathic Mind" -- Origins,
>> Dynamics, and Treatment J. Reil Meloy]
>>
>> The real danger about psychopaths is that some women, in particular,
>> actually have a psychological predisposition towards forming
>> attachments to them. They even fall in love with them. These women,
>> usually of a hysteric or histrionic personality, feel empowered when
>> attached to the psychopath, regardless of the truth she has been told
>> about him, or regardless of what he himself has told her. Some of
>> these women have an underlying fantasy to feel that they are in
>> control with the psychopathic male (according to Meloy).
>>
>> At the same time, I (Wendy Koenigsmann) often question whether it's
>> only the "neurotics" who fall prey to psychopaths. It should be stated
>> that Freud is responsible for the entire coinage of neurotic women,
>> which makes me a bit suspicious. I will present the information, but
>> at the same time, I'm not agreeing with it completely, because it
>> seems that all women, regardless of their "neurotic" natures or not,
>> are prey to psychopaths.
>>
>> We've heard of the extreme cases, such as the women who fell in love
>> with the Night-Stalker, Richard Ramirez, but in general, you will find
>> psychopaths in quite innocuous places, and they always know how to
>> spot a vulnerable woman who will feed their self-image of grandiosity.
>> Of course, good looks help in these matters. The reason so many women
>> fell in love with Ramirez, has been speculated, was probably also
>> intensified because of his brooding, handsome looks and the fact that
>> he could appear vulnerable, "like a little kid," said one admirer.
>>
>> Whether or not being able to feel pity and compassion for a male makes
>> a woman neurotic has yet to be proven.
>>
>> The truth is, an attractive psychopath is probably more dangerous than
>> a less attractive one, by all means.
>>
>> For many women, the attachment to a psychopath goes beyond mere
>> Freudian analysis -- many simply deny the truth, blindly trusting and
>> ignoring reality. Some, even when presented with the cold hard facts,
>> will still admit that they cannot stop loving their psychopathic
>> partner, even after they've been discarded by him. This problem is
>> both a psychosexual one (women with personality disorders themselves
>> who become obsessed with psychopaths), or women who just won't admit
>> to the truth or are ignorant about the situation. It can even be a
>> combination of all factors.
>>
>> Regardless, the psychopath knows whom to "choose."
>>
>> As I (Wendy Koenigsmann) said, the information regarding "histrionic
>> women" and "hysterics" as typical victims was taken from the ideas of
>> Meloy, but does not represent the norm as it were. Anyone can be
>> conned and taken in by the psychopath.
>>
>> Psychopaths pick on everyone, whether rich or poor, smart or not so
>> bright. Although it does seem that the mentally ill are more
>> susceptible: the aforementioned histrionics, etc., as well as victims
>> with borderline personality disorder.
>>
>> Also, trying to "spot" a psychopath by appearance, as I already noted,
>> is not easy. As one student of psychopathy told me, "They often alter
>> their appearance to appear non- threatening, or to create a persona."
>>
>> Tim Field, a noted author and researcher of psychopathy, believes that
>> the psychopath picks out people who can see through him: "A bully's
>> (sociopath) apparent self-esteem and self-confidence is actually
>> arrogance, an unsustainable belief of invulnerability honed from his
>> willingness to act outside the bounds of society to ensure their
>> survival. Targets (or victims) are people who can see through the
>> arrogance to perceive the empty shell behind it - and bullies can
>> sense who can see through them, furthering the target's elimination."
>> [Bully OnLine]. This usually happens in the workplace, and in
>> situations where the psychopath has let his mask drop.
>>
>> According to the author of The Psychopathic Mind (Meloy), when needing
>> to manipulate a female, the psychopath often targets women who are
>> what is often called the "dumb blonde" type, the kind of woman who
>> exudes naivete, often unconscious of her own sexuality, vapid
>> innocence, often not too bright -- their personalities usually border
>> on the Pollyanish, and they always see a silver lining in every cloud.
>> Not that there is anything essentially wrong with innocence or
>> optimism, but when dealing with a psychopath, that can prove a bad
>> combination. Psychopaths seem to be attracted to this type of woman in
>> particular. She is nurturing and all-giving, while he is closed-off
>> and retentive.
>>
>> They have "an uncanny ability to spot and use 'nurturant' women --
>> that is, those who have a powerful need to help or mother others."
>> [Hare, 149].
>>
>> As Hare recounts, a particular "nurturance-seeking missile" who had a
>> local reputation for attracting a steady stream of female visitors
>> seemed to have this talent. He was "not particularly good-looking or
>> very interesting to talk to. But he had a certain cherubic quality
>> that some women, staff included, seemed to find attractive. One woman
>> commented that she 'always had an urge to cuddle him.' Another said
>> that 'he needs mothering.'" [Hare, 149].
>>
>> Psychopaths also like to "attach" to women of higher social status, a
>> woman who represents what he would like to be. Then when he is through
>> with her, he can destroy her and "kill two birds with one stone."
>>
>> However, regardless of what personality type they go after, everyone
>> is still a target.
>>
>> Like the narcissist, the psychopath has an arrogant, disdainful, and
>> patronizing attitude; however, let me make this clear: often in the
>> initial stages of charming someone new, the true character is kept
>> hidden, naturally. That is why, when a woman warns another woman about
>> a psychopathic man, his newest victim will not be able to believe the
>> bad stories about him. "But he's so charming, so kind, so nice..." and
>> so forth will be her reply. Yes. Exactly. He is playing a game with
>> you too.
>>
>> Psychopaths have a grandiose self-structure which demands "a scornful
>> and detached devaluation of others" [Gacon et al 1992], in order to
>> ward off envy toward the good perceived in people. They react towards
>> perceived or existing attachment capacities with ambivalence and often
>> aggression. According to Meloy, most of them transfer the attachment
>> to "hard objects" such as weapons, knives, [magical practices] etc.
>> The grandiose self is represented onto the weapon or object and is a
>> projection of themselves. This of course is more in depth study of the
>> psychopath. Not all psychopaths have a gun collection or a favourite
>> knife or sword, but a great deal of them do tend to be fond of weapons
>> and such symbols of aggression and dominance. I'm not sure if this is
>> true in all cases, but one psychopath I knew loved swords. He was
>> obsessed with them and loved weapons of all kinds.
>>
>> How To Deal With Psychopaths
>> If you leave the psychopath, you can expect that he will either be the
>> type who doesn't make any "noise" but ruins your reputation by
>> ------ing lies, or you can expect a lot of open manipulation (a final
>> attempt to gain power and control).
>>
>> For example, I left a psychopath, and to this day, if given the
>> opportunity, he will tell friends to warn me that I am nothing but a
>> "bug" on his windshield and that he has the ability to destroy me like
>> an insect. Meanwhile, he has also ------ false stories about me to
>> anyone who'll listen.
>>
>> Why does he do this?
>>
>> After dealing with this annoying behaviour for nearly two years, I've
>> come to a conclusion: Even though they cannot really love another
>> person, and lack real deep-seated emotions, psychopaths relate to
>> others through power and control. If someone should actually attempt
>> to "demean" (in his eyes, this is very real) his power and control, he
>> will react to some extent. The psychopath also made himself appear in
>> control by stating that he "kicked" me out, even though he lived in
>> his mother's house. Later on, he also told my friend that I was
>> nothing but an "experiment" to him, after I had lost money, time, and
>> suffered immensely because of his lying and manipulation. By
>> suffering, I also count extreme depression which lasted nearly two
>> years, as he did not stop attacking me in the two years after (even to
>> this day) that I left him.
>>
>> I believe that some individuals are strong enough to stand up to the
>> psychopath; unfortunately, not all people are, and most psychopaths
>> succeed in permanently damaging their victims. This is why we clearly
>> need more support groups for people who have been in relationships
>> with psychopaths.
>>
>> In sum, the experience of dealing with a psychopath can be very
>> troubling for most people, not to mention, when he is through with
>> you, you can be sure that you will be vilified falsely, no doubt about
>> it. I recently asked Field about what one can do when faced with the
>> lies of a psychopath (Field refers to them as sociopaths) and the
>> apparent absence of justice when it comes to their behaviour - -
>> Field's response was:
>>
>> "The main lesson I have learnt is that when dealing with a sociopath,
>> the normal rules of etiquette do not apply. You are dealing with
>> someone who has no empathy, no conscience, no remorse, and no
>> guilt...It is a completely different mindset. Words like 'predator'
>> and 'evil' are often used."
>>
>> If you try to deal with psychopaths in an ethical manner, you will be
>> in for a shock. Dr. William Higgins claims that you "can't negotiate
>> or bargain with psychopaths."
>>
>> Psychopaths will not only deny the past and trivialize it, but will
>> avoid answering your questions directly, and even if they seem to
>> answer them -- you can be sure that it's not the answer you were
>> looking for. It has been said that even when they do give you a
>> straight answer, the real issue will never be addressed by them,
>> although they may even claim to be honourable when it suits them. But
>> don't be fooled, for this is where the psychopath wants his victim --
>> he wants to shame you while at the same time fitting you into his
>> plans; this is because "psychopaths show a stunning lack of concern
>> for the devastating effects their actions have on others. Often they
>> are completely forthright about the matter, calmly stating that they
>> no have no sense of guilt, are not sorry for the pain and destruction
>> they have caused, and that there is no reason for them to be
>> concerned." [Hare, 41].
>>
>> On the other hand, "psychopaths sometimes verbalize remorse but then
>> contradict themselves in words or actions." [Hare, 41]. Psychopaths
>> may apologize or show remorse only to get away with something, but in
>> the end you will be stabbed in the back and realize how very shallow
>> their words were.
>>
>> The psychopath appears not to be able to remember what they had said
>> or committed to for very long. They seem to always be living in the
>> present. That is why they are usually guilty of being big "promise-
>> makers" who cannot live up to their word. Once again, it will be the
>> victim who must deal with the aftermath of all the psychopath's twists
>> and turns, and when he gets you angry enough, you will be discredited
>> as "defective" by him, and the psychopath will often make himself out
>> to be the real victim. As John Wayne Gacy once said, "I was the
>> victim, I was cheated out of my childhood."
>>
>> What often happens in the aftermath, as Field has stated, is that the
>> victim may repress his or her anger for a quite a while, but then,
>> often many months later, a sudden realization of the truth may come
>> over the individual, and the victim will finally realize that all
>> along he/she has been bullied by the psychopath. This is when the
>> victim suddenly becomes very angry and is motivated to have some sort
>> of justice. But when trying to obtain justice with a psychopath, be
>> aware that you will be the one to pay if you don't take a firm stand;
>> the experience will have you more confused and bewildered, and you may
>> even feel tempted to fight fire with fire.
>>
>> In some cases, our society allows psychopathy because we do not really
>> fight back against cheating and lying behaviours (one good example:
>> Bill Clinton). They are also good at tricking their own psychiatrists.
>> For instance, two individuals I (Wendy Koenigsmann) knew bragged that
>> they liked to play mind-games with psychiatrists.
>>
>> "I was the case-study; they could never figure out what was wrong with
>> me, so I would just play mind-games with them" commented one of them.
>> He also learned, from reading about psychiatry and having therapy,
>> that he could just "blame someone else" to get away with things. "I
>> just blame someone else" he said, nonchalantly.
>>
>> When asked, in particular, why he hated his mother so much, (he
>> claimed she physically/mentally/emotionally abused him), he replied,
>> "Because my mother projects all of the ******** she's ever been dumped
>> by on me."
>>
>> That is why Hare believes that therapy makes psychopaths worse; most
>> of them learn about human emotions through psychiatry, and they are
>> "eager to attribute their faults and problems to childhood abuse."
>> [Hare, 50]. Also, "antisocials (psychopaths) themselves can be
>> uncooperative or unpleasant, complicating efforts to study and treat
>> them." [Black, 12].
>>
>> As for recovery from the psychopath, despite the pain that may be left
>> (some people never recover, according to Field), you will learn how
>> very uncomplicated yet cowardly the psychopath's means of keeping cool
>> is. It's just the way the psychopath must function to maintain their
>> rather fragile (but set in stone for life) self-image.
>>
>> While few psychopaths commit violent crimes, the callousness of the
>> average psychopath usually ranges through subtle, but still
>> devastating misdeeds:
>>
>> "Parasitically bleeding other people of their possessions, savings,
>> and dignity; aggressively doing and taking what they want; shamefully
>> neglecting the physical and emotional welfare of their families;
>> engaging in an unending series of casual, impersonal, and trivial
>> sexual relationships; and so forth." [Hare, 45].
>>
>> This is a main feature of their lack of empathy.Also, be forewarned
>> that the psychopath will expend much effort (at the victim's cost), in
>> setting up plans, expectations, etc., but they give very little, or
>> nothing, in return. When he knows he's done something to you which you
>> may not comply with, he'll have an escape route ready. Most normal
>> people do the same thing, in a general sense, but the psychopath does
>> it out of pure selfishness, greed, and callousness. He won't care
>> whether it hurts your feelings or not, whatever treachery he enacts
>> will not be disguised once the show is over with him.
>>
>> I (Wendy Koenigsmann) would like to recount the experience of a friend
>> of mine from Japan. She had been communicating with a man who lived in
>> San Diego for over a year, and during the time of their
>> correspondences and phone calls, he seemed so "sweet, caring, and
>> kind." She mentioned how beautifully written his emails were, and so
>> on.
>>
>> It came to pass that this man asked my friend to marry him, and, to
>> top it off, he promised her that he had a job ready for her in the
>> city where he lived, he even sent her a letter from the company with
>> all the information.
>>
>> Well, my friend believed him and came to the United States to marry
>> him.
>>
>> On their first meeting, she mentioned how it was already the beginning
>> of the end, and how she should have seen it coming. She told him,
>> after they met at the airport, that she needed to make a phone call,
>> and instead of letting her use his cell-phone, he told her to use the
>> pay-phone. My friend, albeit naive, mentioned that this contradicted
>> his persona on the phone and through emails. She said she was a bit
>> shocked, but nevertheless she married him.
>>
>> As the weeks went by, things got worse. She found out that there was
>> no job, and that the letter he had sent her was actually just the
>> letterhead from the company copied onto another paper. In other words,
>> her new husband had committed forgery in order to trick her.
>>
>> Next, she began to receive phone calls from women in the Philippines
>> and Canada who told her that her new husband had been inviting them
>> (via online) to come and live with him. My friend was so distraught
>> that she told these women over and over that he was lying to all of
>> them while playing the biggest trick of all on her. The women didn't
>> believe it (why do women tend to disbelieve another woman when they
>> are trying to warn them?), but eventually, my friend told them "If you
>> want to see the proof that I am married to him, then come here and I
>> will prove it."
>>
>> Eventually, she learned from friends and family that Mr. Wonderful was
>> a pathological liar who had a long history of using women and having
>> his mother cover his tracks for him, and, sad to say, this wasn't the
>> only one she ran into. I can say the same, that is why I've written
>> this website, (Wendy Koenigsmann) because I can tell you that these
>> people are out there, and I don't want anything to happen to anyone
>> else or go through what my friend or myself have experienced. It is my
>> goal that through my website, more people, not only women, but men,
>> will become informed and not become victims themselves, because it is
>> truly a painful experience to deal with.
>>
>> So, what is the lowdown on dealing with psychopaths?
>>
>> Either avoid them, or, once you know or suspect what they are, avoid
>> them.
>>
>> Any further contact with a psychopath will be truly damaging. Once you
>> have been involved with a few of them, like many people I know, you
>> also learn to watch for the "red flags." This doesn't mean you should
>> be paranoid about people, just careful.
>>
>> The fact is, regardless of all studies and new therapies, psychopaths
>> are "hard-wired" for life-long bad behaviour. Leland M. Heller, M.D.,
>> writes that people who have this disorder have symptoms which include
>> lying, cheating, cruelty, criminal behaviour, irresponsibility, lack
>> of remorse, poor relationships, exploitation, manipulation,
>> destructiveness, irritability, aggressiveness, and job failures. Many
>> do not exhibit criminal behaviour, but act antisocially in socially
>> acceptable professions.
>>
>> Alcohol makes the disorder worse, and psychopaths are very prone to
>> substance abuse. The causes are often "poor parental discipline,
>> association with "bad" kids, and poor bonding with parents..."
>> [Heller, 75]. But the causes can also be mostly biological.
>>
>> Another characteristic is their unusual word usage, because they can't
>> distinguish between neutral and emotional words. One psychopathic
>> individual told me that he was "deftly afraid of needles" once, but
>> the word deftly implies "skill." Instead of saying "deathly afraid,"
>> he said "deftly," and never noticed it was wrong. (See Hare's book for
>> more interesting examples of this).
>>
>> Strangely enough, many find the psychopath's verbal deftness quite
>> charming, and psychopaths do tend to talk a lot, especially when
>> they're pouring on the charm.
>>
>> The question is, can you spot one before they get to you?
>>
>> That is why it's important to study whether or not you may be the type
>> who falls for them, who, in essence, becomes prey to believing in
>> them. Some people may find concern over psychopathy irrelevant, but
>> it's not. Psychopathy causes tremendous damage in our society, and
>> affects all levels of our lives. It causes illnesses and disorders
>> such as PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder). Money is also lost by
>> innocent victims to psychopaths, and these social predators also do
>> much economic damage to our society.
>>
>> Everyone, especially women, should learn to identify psychopathy and
>> watch for red flags. This doesn't mean diagnosing every man you date,
>> but preferably just being aware of the disorder can help out a lot!
>> After my own experiences, I truly believe in the saying "better safe
>> than sorry."
>>
>> I will emphasize once more that I do believe most women transfer what
>> they want to believe onto the psychopath, to the extent that he is
>> painted in an unrealistic light, so psychopaths can also "play with
>> your mind" in this regard. Most victims of the psychopath only see
>> what they want to see, initially. That is why Field says, "Naivete is
>> the great enemy."Many also "cling to the belief that their loved one
>> (the psychopath) simply has a few problems just like anyone else, not
>> the symptoms of a personality disorder." [Black, 59].
>>
>> In the book When Your Lover Is a Liar the issue of psychopathy and how
>> psychopaths manipulate women is also pointed out. The author believes
>> that a psychopath's greatest thrill is just being able to "pull the
>> wool" over a woman's eyes. For people who are emotionally normal, we
>> cannot understand what kind of thrill this is or why some of them
>> would go to such lengths in order to trick someone. But as Dr. Heller
>> states, "psychopaths feel no remorse, and actually enjoy their
>> antisocial behavior." (Heller, 76).
>>
>> Also, what I believe makes them most dangerous, is that they can be
>> quite charming and persuasive, and "they have remarkably good insight
>> into the needs and weaknesses of other people" as recounted in the
>> text, Psychology In Action: "Even when they are indifferent to the
>> rights of their associates, they are often able to inspire feelings of
>> trust and confidence." This is best exemplified by a psychopath who
>> professes that "everything is fine" while lying point-blank to your
>> face with seeming honesty and candor, and then, as soon as you turn
>> away for a second, he will stab you in the back.
>>
>> In the end, you will know them "by their fruits" so to speak. They
>> will be sure to let you know who's boss. As one female victim
>> recounted in Hare's book Without Conscience... she couldn't understand
>> how someone (the psychopath she had known) could have wormed his way
>> into her life and then just disappeared so easily. This is how they
>> operate. They just don't give a damn about anyone. Except themselves.
>>
>> Another very strong characteristic to look for (or listen for) is what
>> Dr. Hare refers to as "duping delight." It is as if the psychopath has
>> no need to lie or purpose in lying, the pleasure is attained through
>> merely pulling one over on somebody.
>>
>> As for addictions and so forth, "among the clearest of these links is
>> the one between ASP (psychopathy) and the abuse of alcohol and other
>> drugs," [Black, 91], although most psychopaths would never admit they
>> have a drinking problem, even when it's obvious. As one psychopath put
>> it, "I know how to drink. Drinking is a responsibility, I've been
>> doing it since I was 12."
>>
>> So, once again: Can psychopaths change? Can you change them?
>>
>> No, they choose to behave as they do, even though, to some extent they
>> do have a personality disorder. Dr. Black, however, believes that even
>> those patients who "show the greatest change seem unable to comprehend
>> the degree to which their actions affected those around them. They may
>> continue to live in emotional isolation. Self-interest is a natural
>> component of the human makeup, but it is especially strong in
>> antisocials and leaves many of them unable to develop full compassion,
>> conscience, and other attributes that make for successful social
>> relations." [Black, 144].
>>
>> "Don't Expect A Miracle"
>> In consequence, whether or not they can't or don't desire to change,
>> studies have shown that they won't change, in general, so don't waste
>> your time trying to help or change them, for the help you offer will
>> always be repaid to you in full by treachery. Black also believes that
>> "victims may fear revenge or other potential consequences, but leaving
>> the abusive situation (with a psychopath) is often better than trying
>> to survive in a relationship built on intimidation and violence."
>> [Black, 185]. Personally, I also believe that it's better to not
>> accept meager crumbs of fake affection from a psychopath. No one needs
>> that kind of abuse. If you keep taking that abuse, I can grant you
>> that you will pay for it both mentally and emotionally, for a very
>> long time. The end result is what is referred to as having been
>> psychologically battered.
>>
>> Some people, feeling that they need to save others (co-dependents),
>> and perhaps a bit proud in their need to prove a point, often fall
>> prey to psychopaths because they refuse to believe the truth. I also
>> wanted to make note that some psychopaths appear to show some insight
>> into their own personality make-up ("I'm a jerk," etc.); however, this
>> does not really mean that they care how they behave. They choose to
>> behave this way.
>>
>> The aftermath of dealing with these individuals and the recovery
>> process can be a "long, slow and painful process" according to Field -
>> - but one must remember that if you have been a victim (target) you
>> are only the "latest in a long line of people onto whom he (the
>> psychopath) had to displace his aggression. He will probably do this
>> throughout his life." Sad to say, "antisocials (psychopaths) often
>> spend their last years alone, sometimes plagued by regret for what
>> they never knew they were missing until it was too late." [Black, 89].
>>
>> Do I find this a sad fact? Yes. It is very sad and I find it extremely
>> unfortunate that there are people who live their lives this way. But
>> like I mentioned before, as I cannot emphasize this enough: no matter
>> how much pity or compassion you may have for a psychopathic
>> individual, don't try "saving" them. It will only hurt you in the end.
>> As my friend from Japan stated, "(These people) just don't care
>> whether what they do may ruin your life! They can ruin your life!"
>>
>> Cleckley's original list of symptoms of a psychopath:
>> 1. Considerable superficial charm and average or above average
>> intelligence.
>>
>> 2. Absence of delusions and other signs of irrational thinking
>>
>> 3. Absence of anxiety or other "neurotic" symptoms considerable poise,
>> calmness, and verbal facility.
>>
>> 4. Unreliability, disregard for obligations no sense of
>> responsibility, in matters of little and great import.
>>
>> 5.Untruthfulness and insincerity
>>
>> 7. Antisocial behavior which is inadequately motivated and poorly
>> planned, seeming to stem from an inexplicable impulsiveness.
>>
>> 7.Inadequately motivated antisocial behavior
>>
>> 8.Poor judgment and failure to learn from experience
>>
>> 9. Pathological egocentricity. Total self-centeredness incapacity for
>> real love and attachment.
>>
>> 10. General poverty ot deep and lasting emotions.
>>
>> 11. Lack of any true insight, inability to see oneself as others do.
>>
>> 12. Ingratitude for any special considerations, kindness, and trust.
>>
>> 13. Fantastic and objectionable behavior, after drinking and sometimes
>> even when not drinking--vulgarity, rudeness, quick mood shifts,
>> pranks.
>>
>> 14. No history of genuine suicide attempts.
>>
>> 15. An impersonal, trivial, and poorly integrated --- life.
>>
>> 16. Failure to have a life plan and to live in any ordered way, unless
>> it be one promoting self-defeat.
>>
>> "...More often than not, the typical psychopath will seem particularly
>> agreeable and make a distinctly positive impression when he is first
>> encountered. Alert and friendly in his attitude, he is easy to talk
>> with and seems to have a good many genuine interests. There is nothing
>> at all odd or queer about him, and in every respect he tends to embody
>> the concept of a well-adjusted, happy person. Nor does he, on the
>> other hand, seem to be artificially exerting himself like one who is
>> covering up or who wants to sell you a bill of goods. He would seldom
>> be confused with the professional backslapper or someone who is trying
>> to ingratiate himself for a concealed purpose. Signs of affectation or
>> excessive affability are not characteristic. He looks like the real
>> thing.
>>
>> "Very often indications of good sense and sound reasoning will emerge,
>> and one is likely to feel soon after meeting him that this normal and
>> pleasant person is also one with -high abilities. Psychometric tests
>> also very frequently show him of superior intelligence. More than the
>> average person, he is likely to seem free from social or emotional
>> impediments, from the minor distortions, peculiarities, and
>> awkwardnesses so common even among the successful. Such superficial
>> characteristics are not universal in this group but they are very
>> common..."
>>
>> "...It must be granted of course that the psychopath has some affect.
>> Affect is, perhaps, a component in the sum of life reactions even in
>> the unicellular protoplasmic entity. Certainly in all mammals it is
>> obvious. The relatively petty states of pleasure, vexation, and
>> animosity experienced by the psychopath have been mentioned. The
>> opinion here maintained is that he fails to know all those more
>> serious and deeply moving affective states which make up the tragedy
>> and triumph of ordinary life, of life at the level of important human
>> experience..."
>>
>> Hare's Checklist
>> 1. GLIB and SUPERFICIAL CHARM -- the tendency to be smooth, engaging,
>> charming, slick, and verbally facile. Psychopathic charm is not in the
>> least shy, self-conscious, or afraid to say anything. A psychopath
>> never gets tongue-tied. They have freed themselves from the social
>> conventions about taking turns in talking, for example.
>>
>> 2. GRANDIOSE SELF-WORTH -- a grossly inflated view of one's abilities
>> and self-worth, self-assured, opinionated, cocky, a braggart.
>> Psychopaths are arrogant people who believe they are superior human
>> beings.
>>
>> 3. NEED FOR STIMULATION or PRONENESS TO BOREDOM -- an excessive need
>> for novel, thrilling, and exciting stimulation; taking chances and
>> doing things that are risky. Psychopaths often have a low
>> self-discipline in carrying tasks through to completion because they
>> get bored easily. They fail to work at the same job for any length of
>> time, for example, or to finish tasks that they consider dull or
>> routine.
>>
>> 4. PATHOLOGICAL LYING -- can be moderate or high; in moderate form,
>> they will be shrewd, crafty, cunning, sly, and clever; in extreme
>> form, they will be deceptive, deceitful, underhanded, unscrupulous,
>> manipulative, and dishonest.
>>
>> 5. CONNING AND MANIPULATIVENESS- the use of deceit and deception to
>> cheat, con, or defraud others for personal gain; distinguished from
>> Item #4 in the degree to which exploitation and callous ruthlessness
>> is present, as reflected in a lack of concern for the feelings and
>> suffering of one's victims.
>>
>> 6. LACK OF REMORSE OR GUILT -- a lack of feelings or concern for the
>> losses, pain, and suffering of victims; a tendency to be unconcerned,
>> dispassionate, coldhearted, and unempathic. This item is usually
>> demonstrated by a disdain for one's victims.
>>
>> 7. SHALLOW AFFECT -- emotional poverty or a limited range or depth of
>> feelings; interpersonal coldness in spite of signs of open
>> gregariousness.
>>
>> 8. CALLOUSNESS and LACK OF EMPATHY -- a lack of feelings toward people
>> in general; cold, contemptuous, inconsiderate, and tactless.
>>
>> 9. PARASITIC LIFESTYLE -- an intentional, manipulative, selfish, and
>> exploitative financial dependence on others as reflected in a lack of
>> motivation, low self-discipline, and inability to begin or complete
>> responsibilities.
>>
>> 10. POOR BEHAVIORAL CONTROLS -- expressions of irritability,
>> annoyance, impatience, threats, aggression, and verbal abuse;
>> inadequate control of anger and temper; acting hastily.
>>
>> 11. PROMISCUOUS SEXUAL BEHAVIOR -- a variety of brief, superficial
>> relations, numerous affairs, and an indiscriminate selection of sexual
>> partners; the maintenance of several relationships at the same time; a
>> history of attempts to sexually coerce others into sexual activity or
>> taking great pride at discussing sexual exploits or conquests.
>>
>> 12. EARLY BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS -- a variety of behaviors prior to age 13,
>> including lying, theft, cheating, vandalism, bullying, sexual
>> activity, fire-setting, glue-sniffing, alcohol use, and running away
>> from home.
>>
>> 13. LACK OF REALISTIC, LONG-TERM GOALS -- an inability or persistent
>> failure to develop and execute long-term plans and goals; a nomadic
>> existence, aimless, lacking direction in life.
>>
>> 14. IMPULSIVITY -- the occurrence of behaviors that are unpremeditated
>> and lack reflection or planning; inability to resist temptation,
>> frustrations, and urges; a lack of deliberation without considering
>> the consequences; foolhardy, rash, unpredictable, erratic, and
>> reckless.
>>
>> 15. IRRESPONSIBILITY -- repeated failure to fulfill or honor
>> obligations and commitments; such as not paying bills, defaulting on
>> loans, performing sloppy work, being absent or late to work, failing
>> to honor contractual agreements.
>>
>> 16. FAILURE TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR OWN ACTIONS -- a failure to
>> accept responsibility for one's actions reflected in low
>> conscientiousness, an absence of dutifulness, antagonistic
>> manipulation, denial of responsibility, and an effort to manipulate
>> others through this denial.
>>
>> 17. MANY SHORT-TERM MARITAL RELATIONSHIPS -- a lack of commitment to a
>> long-term relationship reflected in inconsistent, undependable, and
>> unreliable commitments in life, including marital.
>>
>> 18. JUVENILE DELINQUENCY -- behavior problems between the ages of
>> 13-18; mostly behaviors that are crimes or clearly involve aspects of
>> antagonism, exploitation, aggression, manipulation, or a callous,
>> ruthless tough-mindedness.
>>
>> 19. REVOCATION OF CONDITION RELEASE -- a revocation of probation or
>> other conditional release due to technical violations, such as
>> carelessness, low deliberation, or failing to appear.
>>
>> 20. CRIMINAL VERSATILITY -- a diversity of types of criminal offenses,
>> regardless if the person has been arrested or convicted for them;
>> taking great pride at getting away with crimes.
>>
>>
>>
>> NEXT: How Psychopaths View Their World
>>
>> From: An American Obsession ... the Psychopath
>>
>> I wish to educate and warn you the reader of some of the more common
>> signs that the person in question -- usually a male -- is someone you
>> should detach from...and quickly! The sooner you can detect a
>> troublesome person, the better off you will be. One quick check is
>> your placement of him/r on the ------- scale. Now remember, not every
>> jerk or idiot is necessarily psychotic! However, the psychopath is an
>> extreme form of the "-------" personality type, they've just learned
>> to conceal it most of the time and appear to be "nice, charming"
>> people. They are developmentally stuck in their early years, still
>> fighting the battles of authority and parental control over them!
>>
>

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On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:53:53 -0700, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote:



Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured
Norman Doidge
National Post
What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that
every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy?

That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is
illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 ---
offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in
Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths.
All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their
"offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was
found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment
behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more
likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter
Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals.

The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally
-- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more
than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed
in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in
our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by
appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity,
since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated
treatments really psychotherapy?

Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a
self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on.
Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely
because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use
psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for
concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives,
which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and
concern by definition.

But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially
on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt
co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching
new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a
psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given
moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit.
Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories
that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths.

Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute
clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from
Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by
something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the
prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system.
Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the
community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any
psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect.

The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions.
To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their
miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are
short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in
eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over.

I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her
boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of
other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from
a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume
self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can
raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches
or "negative tapes" in her head.

Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an
ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise
backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their
consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest
of mankind how to be remorseless.

But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part
of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is
sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task
force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards
with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around
prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should
carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible
choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would
be practised.

So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute
1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all
crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's
just say they are beyond therapy.

That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are
psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have
low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term
intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical
evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from
treatment.

The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of
mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of
forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an
unwillingness to make basic distinctions.

In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a
hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous
person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as
we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his
soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is
always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to
control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what
is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the
bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the
virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not
"conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue,
that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the
physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence
shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and
functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our
notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions
into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked
by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious.

> There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
>over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
>possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
>Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
>coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
>Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
>course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
>Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
>obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
>when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
>elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
>remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
>little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
>head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
>even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
> Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
>As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it!
> But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
>fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@***.net,
>abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
> I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
>passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
>stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
>all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
>each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------.
>It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
> Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
>other accusations would be thrown out of court.
> When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
>man??????????
> People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
>hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
>Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
>groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
>Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
>Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
> You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
>suggest!!!!!
> If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
>Sheriffs Department.
> I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
>man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
>I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
>contradicts it's self.
> You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward.
> I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
>participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
>life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
> I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
>S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
>24bit:
>12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
>will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or
>LW------@------.net
> Sincerely,
> Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
> You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital
>before you hurt yourself or someone else.
> Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/******* like you at
>the top of your groups! :-)
> The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my
>Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that,
>coward.
> BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of.
>:-)
> I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a
>straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again.
> Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.
> There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only
>******* like would think of.
> That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic
>------.
> Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
>
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>>
>> Psychopaths cannot be understood in terms of antisocial rearing or
>> development. They are simply morally depraved individuals who
>> represent the "monsters" in our society. They are unstoppable and
>> untreatable predators whose violence is planned, purposeful and
>> emotionless. The violence continues until it reaches a plateau at age
>> 60 or so, then tapers off.
>>
>> Their emotionlessness reflects a detached, fearless, and possibly
>> dissociated state, revealing a low-state autonomic nervous system and
>> lack of anxiety. It's difficult to say what motivates them - control
>> and dominance possibly - since their life history will usually show no
>> long-standing bonds with others nor much rhyme to their reason (other
>> than the planning of violence).
>>
>> They tend to operate with a grandiose demeanor, an attitude of
>> entitlement, an insatiable appetite, and a tendency toward sadism.
>> Fearlessness is probably the prototypical (core) characteristic (the
>> low-fear hypothesis). It's helpful to think of them as high-speed
>> vehicles with ineffective brakes.
>>
>> Certain organic (brain) disorders and hormonal imbalances mimic the
>> state of mind of a psychopath.
>>
>> There are four (4) different subtypes of psychopaths. The oldest
>> distinction was made by Cleckley back in 1941 between primary and
>> secondary.
>>
>> PRIMARY PSYCHOPATHS do not respond to punishment, apprehension,
>> stress, or disapproval. They seem to be able to inhibit their
>> antisocial impulses most of the time, not because of conscience, but
>> because it suits their purpose at the time. Words do not seem to have
>> the same meaning for them as they do for us. In fact, it's unclear if
>> they even grasp the meaning of their own words, a condition that
>> Cleckley called "semantic aphasia." They don't follow any life plan,
>> and it seems as if they are incapable of experiencing any genuine
>> emotion.
>>
>> SECONDARY PSYCHOPATHS are risk-takers, but are also more likely to be
>> stress-reactive, worriers, and guilt-prone. They expose themselves to
>> more stress than the average person, but they are as vulnerable to
>> stress as the average person. (This suggests that they are not "fully
>> psychopathic." This may be due to distinctive genetic variations.)
>>
>> They are daring, adventurous, unconventional people who began playing
>> by their own rules early in life. They are strongly driven by a desire
>> to escape or avoid pain, but are unable to resist temptation. As their
>> anxiety increases toward some forbidden object, so does their
>> attraction to it. They live their lives by the lure of temptation.
>> Both primary and secondary psychopaths can be subdivided into:
>>
>> DISTEMPERED PSYCHOPATHS are the kind that seem to fly into a rage or
>> frenzy more easily and more often than other subtypes. Their frenzy
>> will resemble an epileptic fit. They are also usually men with
>> incredibly strong --- drives, capable of astonishing feats of sexual
>> energy, and seemingly obsessed by sexual urges during a large part of
>> their waking lives. Powerful cravings also seem to characterize them,
>> as in drug addiction, kleptomania, pedophilia, any illicit or illegal
>> indulgence. They like the endorphin "high" or "rush" off of excitement
>> and risk-taking. The serial-rapist-murderer known as the Boston
>> Strangler was such a psychopath.
>>
>> CHARISMATIC PSYCHOPATHS are charming, attractive liars. They are
>> usually gifted at some talent or another, and they use it to their
>> advantage in manipulating others. They are usually fast-talkers, and
>> possess an almost demonic ability to persuade others out of everything
>> they own, even their lives. Leaders of religious sects or cults, for
>> example, might be psychopaths if they lead their followers to their
>> deaths. This subtype often comes to believe in their own fictions.
>> They are irresistible.
>>
>> Sociopaths have always existed in varying form and to various degrees.
>> They have been known by various titles. They have been studied using
>> various techniques, and through the years their ailment has been
>> blamed on various causes. But one thing never varies: all sociopaths
>> share three common characteristics. They are all very egocentric
>> individuals with no empathy for others, and they are incapable of
>> feeling remorse or guilt. [The Sociopath Rebecca Horton (April 1999)]
>>
>> While the psychopath has likes and dislikes and fondness for the
>> pleasures that human company can bring, analysis shows that he is
>> completely egocentric, valuing others only for their enhancement of
>> his own pleasure or status. While he gives no real love, he is quite
>> capable of inspiring love of sometimes fanatical degree in others.
>>
>> He is generally superficially charming and often makes a striking
>> impression as possessed of the noblest of human qualities. He makes
>> friends easily, and is very manipulative, using his ability with words
>> to talk his way out of trouble. Many psychopaths love to be admired
>> and bask in the adulation of others.
>>
>> With the lack of love, there is also a lack of empathy. The psychopath
>> is unable to feel sorry for others in unfortunate situations or put
>> himself in another's place, whether or not they have been harmed by
>> him.[Gordon Banks]
>>
>>
>> How Psychopaths View The World
>> Not only do they covet possessions and power, but they gain special
>> pleasure in usurping and taking from others (a symbolic sibling, for
>> example); what they can plagiarize, swindle, and extort are fruits far
>> sweeter than those they can earn through honest labor.
>>
>> And once having drained what they can from one source, they turn to
>> another to exploit, bleed, and then cast aside; their pleasure in the
>> misfortune of others is unquenchable. People are used as a means to an
>> end; they are to be subordinated and demeaned so that the antisocial
>> can vindicate themselves...
>>
>> The causes of this sociopathic disorder have been narrowed to several
>> factors through research. One of the primary causes of sociopathic
>> behavior is believed to be neurological abnormalities mainly in the
>> frontal lobe of the brain. This area is also related to fear
>> conditioning. The abnormal anatomy or chemical activity within this
>> area of the brain may be caused by abnormal growth (possibly genetic),
>> brain disease, or injury. This theory has been supported by much
>> research using positron emission tomography (PET) which visually shows
>> the metabolic activity of neurons within the brain (Sabbatini, 1998).
>>
>> The amygdalae, two small regions buried near the base of the brain,
>> have long been known to affect aggression, sexuality and recklessness.
>> Recently, they have also been shown to affect how people interpret the
>> emotions of others. Subtle damage to the amygdalae may explain many of
>> the characteristics of psychopaths - including the difficulty of
>> getting through to them emotionally. It may be that they simply cannot
>> "see" emotions in others. [Are You Married to a Psychopath?]
>>
>> The psychopath is a manipulator, who knows exactly what makes us tick
>> and knows how to manipulate and influence our feelings.
>>
>> They have the talent to spot "kind, caring" women.
>>
>> Mimicry is often used to convince others that the psychopath is a
>> normal human being. He does this to create a false empathy with his
>> victim. The psychopath will try to make you believe he has normal
>> emotions by spinning some sad tale or professing profound, moving
>> experiences; the truth is, most psychopaths go through life as in an
>> incubator, touched by few and having no real compassion for others;
>> but they will lie to convince you that they have normal emotions.
>>
>> The pity factor is one reason why victims often fall for these "poor"
>> people.
>>
>> Lying is like breathing to the psychopath. When caught in a lie and
>> challenged, they make up new lies, and don't care if they're found
>> out. As Hare states,
>>
>> "Lying, deceiving, and manipulation are natural talents for
>> psychopaths...When caught in a lie or challenged with the truth, they
>> are seldom perplexed or embarrassed -- they simply change their
>> stories or attempt to rework the facts so that they appear to be
>> consistent with the lie. The results are a series of contradictory
>> statements and a thoroughly confused listener." [Hare].
>>
>> Often, their behavior serves to confuse and repress their victims, or
>> to influence anyone who might listen to the psychopath's side of the
>> story.
>>
>> Manipulation is the key to their conquests, and lying is one way they
>> achieve this.
>>
>> One almost amusing example of how psychopaths lie can be exemplified
>> by a man who's footprint was discovered at the scene of the crime.
>> "No, that's not my foot" he said, even though everyone knew he was
>> lying.
>>
>> This is how psychopaths operate. They will deny reality until their
>> victims have a nervous breakdown. Often, the psychopath will turn on
>> the victim and claim that the victim suffers from "delusions" and is
>> not mentally stable.
>>
>> The psychopath is primarily distracted and impressed by his own
>> grandiose self-representation, which often leads to him unwittingly
>> telling people things that lead to his detection. They often forget
>> the lies they told and tell contradicting tales, which often makes the
>> listener wonder if either the psychopath is crazy, although in this
>> case the psychopath isn't really crazy -- he's just forgotten what
>> lies he's told.
>>
>> The most amazing thing, however, is their selective memory. A
>> psychopath might not remember the promises he made to you yesterday,
>> but he will remember something from the past if it suits his purposes
>> in some way. They often do this whenever they're confronted or caught
>> in a lie.
>>
>> Most psychopaths are very arrogant and cocky. However, when charming a
>> potential victim, they say all the "right" things and make you believe
>> they are kind-hearted souls; not always, but often enough. The truth
>> is, psychopaths are not altruistic and do not really care about
>> friendships or ties.
>>
>> Guggenbuhl-Craig states that " they are very talented at appearing
>> much more humble than the average person, but are hardly so." Some are
>> also able to feign concern about the lower classes and profess that
>> they are on the side of the underdog, the poor, and so forth. A
>> psychopath may claim, for instance (if he's from a low socioeconomic
>> class), that he dislikes rich people intensely, but at the same time,
>> he will inwardly yearn and envy what they have. He is like the
>> narcissist, desiring to reflect a false image of himself through his
>> possessions. Among his possessions are included human beings:
>> girlfriends, wives, and children.
>>
>> Some psychopaths can even be very fond of animals (contrary to the
>> common viewpoint), but still view them as objects in relation to
>> themselves.
>>
>> In general, most psychopaths will brag endlessly about their exploits
>> and "bad" things they've done (often called a warning sign, which will
>> ward off careful souls), but more often than not, the woman who is
>> fascinated by him will not listen to reason, even if she is warned by
>> others who know him about his past behaviors.
>>
>> Why? Once again, because the psychopath makes her feel so "special."
>>
>> Please ladies, if you're stuck on any man who is like this, you must
>> come to terms with the fact that it is NOT his REAL personality. He is
>> only playing a ROLE for you.
>>
>> Dr. Black states that one of the most obvious signs of psychopathy is
>> the way the individual will brag about his experiences, no matter "how
>> unsavory...his apparent comfort with his deviant behavior, the ease
>> with which he discuss(es) breaking every rule, (is) consistent with
>> ASP (psychopathy)." [Black, 68].
>>
>> The psychopath is filled with greed inside, relating to the world
>> through power, even though, as I said, on the outside he can claim to
>> be on the side of the disenfranchised or the downtrodden. I knew one
>> who liked to repeat phrases such as "they have to stop keeping my
>> brothers down" but he didn't mean a word of it. He was actually a
>> racist. The psychopath can also often identify himself as a
>> revolutionary.
>>
>> On the flip side, the psychopath also often paints a picture of
>> himself as the downcast anti-hero (his "own worst enemy type") and
>> some like to see themselves as lone-wolves. The psychopath may even
>> claim he is sensitive and profound, but inside he is nothing but
>> emptiness and greed.
>>
>> Whether or not the psychopath is aware of his behavior is something
>> that is often debated. I do believe that psychopaths usually know
>> exactly what they are doing, although others suggest that psychopaths
>> are "born, not made."
>>
>> As mentioned, psychopaths often claim to settle for second best (being
>> their own worst enemy) and then think they deserve better. This may be
>> manifested in the way they seek power -- either through money (i.e.
>> material goods), manipulation and/or treating people as objects. By
>> enacting such behaviors, the psychopath is also trying to "get back"
>> at society and the world, in order to gain retribution. They will
>> spend their entire lives doing this, whether they are rich or poor, or
>> whatever their social background may be, although studies have shown
>> that they often come from an impoverished or lower socio- economic
>> background and/or social status. (In one of Dr. Donald Black's
>> studies, many of the men were "overwhelmingly white, blue collar,
>> lower middle class, and married, and most had not graduated from high
>> school." [Black, 14]).
>>
>> Let me add, despite Dr. Blacks' studies, psychopaths can still exist
>> in any social class. Do not be misled. I also wanted to point out that
>> I will be using "he" and "him" for the term psychopath throughout this
>> website; let it not be forgotten, yes, female psychopaths exist as
>> well; however, according to the Sixth Edition of Abnormal Behavior,
>> printed in 2000 by three male professors, David, Derald, and Stanley
>> Sue, the rates do differ by gender. Included in their excellent text
>> is a report by the The American Psychiatric Association that the
>> general estimate is 3% for men, and less than 1% in women [Personality
>> Disorders and Impulse Control Disorders, 238].
>>
>> What is very disturbing about psychopaths, besides their sense of
>> special entitlement, is the complete lack of empathy for normal
>> people, for "antisocials (psychopaths) seem to lack a conscience,
>> feeling little or no empathy for the people whose lives they
>> touch...the antisocial effortlessly resists all regulation, unable to
>> see beyond his self-interest or to adopt standards of right versus
>> wrong." [Black, XIII].
>>
>> Not all psychopath are uneducated low-class misfits. Some of them are
>> quite handsome and have good careers, and use this all the more to
>> their benefit. Take a look at Ted Bundy; my friend's mother once went
>> on a double-date with him and claimed he was the nicest person. His
>> mother said he was the "best son any mother could have." Bundy was
>> also apparently quite good-looking, which made him even more
>> dangerous. So not all psychopaths are derelict, low-class, high school
>> drop-outs, there are many who also work in professional occupations;
>> the fact remains that there are just more psychopaths who come from
>> impoverished backgrounds than not.
>>
>> [QFG Note: Black's claim that more "psychopaths" come from
>> impoverished backgrounds seems to be coming under some revision. In
>> fact, Black does not seem to have a truly good grasp of the difference
>> between Psychopathy and Antisocial Personality Disorder. As Robert
>> Hare points out, yes, there are many psychopaths who are also
>> "anti-socials" but there seem to be far more of them that would never
>> be classified as anti-social or "sociopathic."
>>
>> In a recent paper, "Construct VAlidity of Psychopathy in a Community
>> Sample: A Nomological Net Approach, Salekin, Trobst, Krioukova,
>> Journal of Personality Disorders, 15(5), 425-441, 2001), the authors
>> state:
>>
>> "Psychopathy, as originally conceived by Cleckley (1941), is not
>> limited to engagement in illegal activities, but rather encompasses
>> such personality characteristics as manipulativeness, insincerity,
>> egocentricity, and lack of guilt - characteristics clearly present in
>> criminals but also in spouses, parents, bosses, attorneys,
>> politicians, and CEOs, to name but a few. (Bursten, 1973; Stewart,
>> 1991). Our own examination of the prevalence of psychopathy within a
>> university population suggested that perhaps 5% or more of this sample
>> might be deemed psychopathic, although the vast majority of those will
>> be male (more than 1/10 males versus approximately 1?100 females).
>>
>> "As such, psychopathy may be characterized ... as involving a tendency
>> towards both dominance and coldness. Wiggins (1995) in summarizing
>> numerous previous findings... indicates that such individuals are
>> prone to anger and irritation and are willing to exploit others. They
>> are arrogant, manipulative, cynical, exhibitionistic, sensation
>> -seeking, Machiavellian, vindictive, and out for their own gain. With
>> respect to their patterns of social exchange (Foa & Foa, 1974), they
>> attribute love and status to themselves, seeing themselves as highly
>> worthy and important, but prescribe neither love nor status to others,
>> seeing them as unworthy and insignificant. This characterization is
>> clearly consistent with the essence of psychopathy as commonly
>> described.
>>
>> "The present investigation sought to answer some basic questions
>> regarding the construct of psychopathy in non forensic settings... In
>> so doing we have returned to Cleckley's (1941) original emphasis on
>> psychopathy as a personality style not only among criminals, but also
>> among successful individuals within the community.
>>
>> "What is clear from our findings is that (a) psychopathy measures have
>> converged on a prototype of psychopathy that involves a combination of
>> dominant and cold interpersonal characteristics; (b) psychopathy does
>> occur in the community and at what might be a higher than expected
>> rate; and (c) psychopathy appears to have little overlap with
>> personality disorders aside from Antisocial Personality Disorder. ...
>>
>> "Clearly, where much more work is needed is in understanding what
>> factors differentiate the abiding (although perhaps not moral-abiding)
>> psychopath from the law-breaking psychopath; such research surely
>> needs to make greater use of non forensic samples than has been
>> customary in the past."
>>
>> In short, if you want to learn about psychopathy, don't read Black.
>> The only kind he had to study were the failures, the ones who ended up
>> in jail or psychiatric hospitals. Keep this in mind as you continue to
>> read the excerpts on this page.]
>>
>> Also, not all psychopaths are calm, cool, and collected. Some of them
>> appear strange or odd, and their behavior can be eccentric or unusual.
>> I believe this is what can confuse victims most often. Psychopaths
>> often appear intense and "electrifying". Do not be misled if someone
>> appears harmless, "foolish", or seems offbeat. An "angelic" visage can
>> also often fool people. Just picture John Wayne Gacy in his "clown
>> costume" as he entertained children as one example.
>>
>> Another example which someone on the "Victims of Psychopathy" board
>> came up with was Bill Clinton and his "goofy" yet loveable demeanor
>> (so is Clinton really a psychopath? Many believe he is).
>>
>> A psychopath (he was diagnosed anti-social) I knew used the harmless
>> cover-up quite well. Everyone thought he was very funny. I did too, at
>> first. Then, little by little, I realised there was something "not
>> right" about him. At first his seemingly harmless pranks were
>> charming, but after a while, he became more of a nuisance and
>> disrupted our work environment, which created havoc and tension
>> between employees. I've learned, a psychopath can use these disguises
>> for his own hidden purpose.
>>
>> Regardless of race, social class, or occupation, however, the
>> psychopath is dangerous to society, for "the nature of ASP
>> (psychopathy) implies that it wreaks more havoc on society than most
>> other mental illnesses do, since the disorder primarily involves
>> reactions against the social environment that drag other people into
>> its destructive web...The despair and anxiety wrought by antisocials
>> (psychopaths) tragically affects families and communities, leaving
>> deep physical and emotional scars..." [Black, 5].
>>
>> There is much to the psychopathic personality which is baffling and
>> disturbing. 1 in about 25-30 people are psychopathic (also known as
>> sociopaths or anti-social -- the correct title being psychopath.)
>> Since the majority or them are men, I (Wendy Koenigsmann) wrote this
>> site in part, to warn women about the dangers, especially women
>> online, which I believe is a favourite "new medium" which appeals to
>> psychopaths. I have personal experience with this subject as well.
>> This is because "antisocials (psychopaths) are not just characters in
>> our fictional or true-life entertainments. They are family members,
>> friends, co-workers, neighbors, or strangers we may encounter every
>> day." [Black, 10].
>>
>> Pamela Jayne, M.A., writes that "30% of men are sociopathic." [QFG
>> note that she is not using the term "psychopath".] If about every
>> three out of ten men I may meet are psychopathic, I would assume this
>> is not something to take lightly. According to these statistics, that
>> would mean every three out of ten men and maybe every one out of ten
>> females.
>>
>> The truth is, we do not really know exactly how many individuals are
>> psychopathic; however, there seems to be a rise in the prevalence of
>> psychopathy and that is why some claim that numbers are higher. Dr.
>> Black claims that psychopathy leads right behind depression, along
>> with schizophrenia and borderline personality disorder, which is an
>> astounding fact.
>>
>> [QFG note: Hare says that Psychopathy is MORE prevalent than
>> depression, schizophrenia and BPD. For all we know, many people who
>> are depressed, become schizophrenic, or develop BPD, do so as a result
>> of interactions with psychopaths. Psychologist Andrew Lobaczewski says
>> as much in his book "Political Ponerology."]
>>
>> Psychopaths are often witty and articulate and almost always "glib."
>> They can be "amusing and entertaining conversationalists, ready with a
>> quick and clever comeback, and can tell unlikely but convincing
>> stories...
>>
>> They can be very effective in presenting themselves well and are often
>> very likeable and charming. To some people, however, they seem too
>> slick and smooth, too obviously insincere and superficial. Astute
>> observers often get the impression that psychopaths are play-acting,
>> mechanically "reading their lines." [Hare, 35].
>>
>> ...They may ramble and tell stories that seem unlikely in light of
>> what is known about them. Typically, they attempt to appear familiar
>> with sociology, psychiatry, medicine, psychology, philosophy, poetry,
>> literature, art, or law. A signpost to this trait is often a smooth
>> lack of concern at being found out." [Hare, 35].
>>
>> One psychopathic individual I knew claimed that he had a genius IQ and
>> that he was studying several different majors at college. "When I
>> found out I had a genius IQ, that's when all my trouble started" he
>> said. I asked him, "Why?" He replied, "'Cause I'm too smart for my own
>> good." In the end I found out these were lies because he was, in fact,
>> a high school drop-out.
>>
>> [QFG note: Being a "high-school drop-out" doesn't mean that a person
>> is NOT a genius. In fact, considering the U.S. education system, it is
>> very likely that many geniuses WILL drop out due to frustration and
>> boredom.]
>>
>> Despite their failures, psychopaths have a very "narcissistic and
>> grossly inflated view of their self-worth and importance, a truly
>> astounding egocentricity and sense of entitlement, and see themselves
>> as the center of the universe, as superior beings who are justified in
>> living according to their own rules." [Hare, 38].
>>
>> They often come across as "arrogant, shameless
>> braggarts--self-assured, opinionated, domineering, and cocky. They
>> love to have power and control over others and seem unable to believe
>> that people have valid opinions different from theirs. They appear
>> charismatic or 'electrifying' to some people." [Hare, 38].
>>
>> I (Wendy Koenigsmann) know exactly what Hare means when I recall one
>> person I used to know (who had been diagnosed); he always seemed to be
>> charming everyone around him, although in the end every woman who fell
>> for him ended up becoming hostile when they realized all he had been
>> doing was leading each one on simultaneously.
>>
>> The psychopath is callous, remorseless, and unempathetic, although at
>> first glance he may not seem that way. He is often exceedingly witty,
>> chameleon-like, charming (but not always, especially when not in a
>> "good" mood), the person who attracts a circle of admirers around him
>> at every party, but more often that not, he is usually avoided -- once
>> people find out what he's really like.
>>
>> Psychopaths often end up associating with others like themselves,
>> although in some cases they don't always get along that well.
>> Sometimes they pair up with other psychopaths and become a close team,
>> one may be a "talker" while the other is a "doer," and so forth,
>> although I (Wendy Koenigsmann) strongly believe that these roles are
>> interchangeable when dealing with a psychopathic duo. Hare states, "As
>> long as their interests are complimentary, they make a formidable
>> pair." [Hare, 65]. It has also been reported that some acquaintances
>> may never really discover their truly dark side.
>>
>> Psychopaths and Relationships
>> It is in this realm that the psychopath comes closest to the
>> psychotic. While seemingly in full possession of his reasoning
>> ability, by all the means of clinical psychology to test and assess
>> them, the psychopath demonstrates an inability to comprehend the
>> meaning and significance of his behavior for other people, and to
>> judge their probable reactions to his behavior. He is often astounded
>> to find that people are upset by his exploits. [Gordon Banks]
>>
>> . .Histrionic...women are particularly attracted and vulnerable to
>> psychopathic males. The hysteric-personality-disordered female is
>> likely to be enamored of the psychopath...She is able...to reciprocate
>> in this projective-introjective cycle by predominately idealizing the
>> psychopathic character. Her need for attachment and dependency
>> complements his desire for detachment and autonomy; she perceives
>> others as all-giving and benevolent, and he perceives others as
>> all-taking and malevolent.
>>
>> The hysterical woman is immune to developing a healthy suspicion when
>> details or circumstances don't fit (also relating to the illogicity of
>> his thoughts/behavior) or do not corroborate the psychopath's oral
>> version of his history. [From "The Psychopathic Mind" -- Origins,
>> Dynamics, and Treatment J. Reil Meloy]
>>
>> The real danger about psychopaths is that some women, in particular,
>> actually have a psychological predisposition towards forming
>> attachments to them. They even fall in love with them. These women,
>> usually of a hysteric or histrionic personality, feel empowered when
>> attached to the psychopath, regardless of the truth she has been told
>> about him, or regardless of what he himself has told her. Some of
>> these women have an underlying fantasy to feel that they are in
>> control with the psychopathic male (according to Meloy).
>>
>> At the same time, I (Wendy Koenigsmann) often question whether it's
>> only the "neurotics" who fall prey to psychopaths. It should be stated
>> that Freud is responsible for the entire coinage of neurotic women,
>> which makes me a bit suspicious. I will present the information, but
>> at the same time, I'm not agreeing with it completely, because it
>> seems that all women, regardless of their "neurotic" natures or not,
>> are prey to psychopaths.
>>
>> We've heard of the extreme cases, such as the women who fell in love
>> with the Night-Stalker, Richard Ramirez, but in general, you will find
>> psychopaths in quite innocuous places, and they always know how to
>> spot a vulnerable woman who will feed their self-image of grandiosity.
>> Of course, good looks help in these matters. The reason so many women
>> fell in love with Ramirez, has been speculated, was probably also
>> intensified because of his brooding, handsome looks and the fact that
>> he could appear vulnerable, "like a little kid," said one admirer.
>>
>> Whether or not being able to feel pity and compassion for a male makes
>> a woman neurotic has yet to be proven.
>>
>> The truth is, an attractive psychopath is probably more dangerous than
>> a less attractive one, by all means.
>>
>> For many women, the attachment to a psychopath goes beyond mere
>> Freudian analysis -- many simply deny the truth, blindly trusting and
>> ignoring reality. Some, even when presented with the cold hard facts,
>> will still admit that they cannot stop loving their psychopathic
>> partner, even after they've been discarded by him. This problem is
>> both a psychosexual one (women with personality disorders themselves
>> who become obsessed with psychopaths), or women who just won't admit
>> to the truth or are ignorant about the situation. It can even be a
>> combination of all factors.
>>
>> Regardless, the psychopath knows whom to "choose."
>>
>> As I (Wendy Koenigsmann) said, the information regarding "histrionic
>> women" and "hysterics" as typical victims was taken from the ideas of
>> Meloy, but does not represent the norm as it were. Anyone can be
>> conned and taken in by the psychopath.
>>
>> Psychopaths pick on everyone, whether rich or poor, smart or not so
>> bright. Although it does seem that the mentally ill are more
>> susceptible: the aforementioned histrionics, etc., as well as victims
>> with borderline personality disorder.
>>
>> Also, trying to "spot" a psychopath by appearance, as I already noted,
>> is not easy. As one student of psychopathy told me, "They often alter
>> their appearance to appear non- threatening, or to create a persona."
>>
>> Tim Field, a noted author and researcher of psychopathy, believes that
>> the psychopath picks out people who can see through him: "A bully's
>> (sociopath) apparent self-esteem and self-confidence is actually
>> arrogance, an unsustainable belief of invulnerability honed from his
>> willingness to act outside the bounds of society to ensure their
>> survival. Targets (or victims) are people who can see through the
>> arrogance to perceive the empty shell behind it - and bullies can
>> sense who can see through them, furthering the target's elimination."
>> [Bully OnLine]. This usually happens in the workplace, and in
>> situations where the psychopath has let his mask drop.
>>
>> According to the author of The Psychopathic Mind (Meloy), when needing
>> to manipulate a female, the psychopath often targets women who are
>> what is often called the "dumb blonde" type, the kind of woman who
>> exudes naivete, often unconscious of her own sexuality, vapid
>> innocence, often not too bright -- their personalities usually border
>> on the Pollyanish, and they always see a silver lining in every cloud.
>> Not that there is anything essentially wrong with innocence or
>> optimism, but when dealing with a psychopath, that can prove a bad
>> combination. Psychopaths seem to be attracted to this type of woman in
>> particular. She is nurturing and all-giving, while he is closed-off
>> and retentive.
>>
>> They have "an uncanny ability to spot and use 'nurturant' women --
>> that is, those who have a powerful need to help or mother others."
>> [Hare, 149].
>>
>> As Hare recounts, a particular "nurturance-seeking missile" who had a
>> local reputation for attracting a steady stream of female visitors
>> seemed to have this talent. He was "not particularly good-looking or
>> very interesting to talk to. But he had a certain cherubic quality
>> that some women, staff included, seemed to find attractive. One woman
>> commented that she 'always had an urge to cuddle him.' Another said
>> that 'he needs mothering.'" [Hare, 149].
>>
>> Psychopaths also like to "attach" to women of higher social status, a
>> woman who represents what he would like to be. Then when he is through
>> with her, he can destroy her and "kill two birds with one stone."
>>
>> However, regardless of what personality type they go after, everyone
>> is still a target.
>>
>> Like the narcissist, the psychopath has an arrogant, disdainful, and
>> patronizing attitude; however, let me make this clear: often in the
>> initial stages of charming someone new, the true character is kept
>> hidden, naturally. That is why, when a woman warns another woman about
>> a psychopathic man, his newest victim will not be able to believe the
>> bad stories about him. "But he's so charming, so kind, so nice..." and
>> so forth will be her reply. Yes. Exactly. He is playing a game with
>> you too.
>>
>> Psychopaths have a grandiose self-structure which demands "a scornful
>> and detached devaluation of others" [Gacon et al 1992], in order to
>> ward off envy toward the good perceived in people. They react towards
>> perceived or existing attachment capacities with ambivalence and often
>> aggression. According to Meloy, most of them transfer the attachment
>> to "hard objects" such as weapons, knives, [magical practices] etc.
>> The grandiose self is represented onto the weapon or object and is a
>> projection of themselves. This of course is more in depth study of the
>> psychopath. Not all psychopaths have a gun collection or a favourite
>> knife or sword, but a great deal of them do tend to be fond of weapons
>> and such symbols of aggression and dominance. I'm not sure if this is
>> true in all cases, but one psychopath I knew loved swords. He was
>> obsessed with them and loved weapons of all kinds.
>>
>> How To Deal With Psychopaths
>> If you leave the psychopath, you can expect that he will either be the
>> type who doesn't make any "noise" but ruins your reputation by
>> ------ing lies, or you can expect a lot of open manipulation (a final
>> attempt to gain power and control).
>>
>> For example, I left a psychopath, and to this day, if given the
>> opportunity, he will tell friends to warn me that I am nothing but a
>> "bug" on his windshield and that he has the ability to destroy me like
>> an insect. Meanwhile, he has also ------ false stories about me to
>> anyone who'll listen.
>>
>> Why does he do this?
>>
>> After dealing with this annoying behaviour for nearly two years, I've
>> come to a conclusion: Even though they cannot really love another
>> person, and lack real deep-seated emotions, psychopaths relate to
>> others through power and control. If someone should actually attempt
>> to "demean" (in his eyes, this is very real) his power and control, he
>> will react to some extent. The psychopath also made himself appear in
>> control by stating that he "kicked" me out, even though he lived in
>> his mother's house. Later on, he also told my friend that I was
>> nothing but an "experiment" to him, after I had lost money, time, and
>> suffered immensely because of his lying and manipulation. By
>> suffering, I also count extreme depression which lasted nearly two
>> years, as he did not stop attacking me in the two years after (even to
>> this day) that I left him.
>>
>> I believe that some individuals are strong enough to stand up to the
>> psychopath; unfortunately, not all people are, and most psychopaths
>> succeed in permanently damaging their victims. This is why we clearly
>> need more support groups for people who have been in relationships
>> with psychopaths.
>>
>> In sum, the experience of dealing with a psychopath can be very
>> troubling for most people, not to mention, when he is through with
>> you, you can be sure that you will be vilified falsely, no doubt about
>> it. I recently asked Field about what one can do when faced with the
>> lies of a psychopath (Field refers to them as sociopaths) and the
>> apparent absence of justice when it comes to their behaviour - -
>> Field's response was:
>>
>> "The main lesson I have learnt is that when dealing with a sociopath,
>> the normal rules of etiquette do not apply. You are dealing with
>> someone who has no empathy, no conscience, no remorse, and no
>> guilt...It is a completely different mindset. Words like 'predator'
>> and 'evil' are often used."
>>
>> If you try to deal with psychopaths in an ethical manner, you will be
>> in for a shock. Dr. William Higgins claims that you "can't negotiate
>> or bargain with psychopaths."
>>
>> Psychopaths will not only deny the past and trivialize it, but will
>> avoid answering your questions directly, and even if they seem to
>> answer them -- you can be sure that it's not the answer you were
>> looking for. It has been said that even when they do give you a
>> straight answer, the real issue will never be addressed by them,
>> although they may even claim to be honourable when it suits them. But
>> don't be fooled, for this is where the psychopath wants his victim --
>> he wants to shame you while at the same time fitting you into his
>> plans; this is because "psychopaths show a stunning lack of concern
>> for the devastating effects their actions have on others. Often they
>> are completely forthright about the matter, calmly stating that they
>> no have no sense of guilt, are not sorry for the pain and destruction
>> they have caused, and that there is no reason for them to be
>> concerned." [Hare, 41].
>>
>> On the other hand, "psychopaths sometimes verbalize remorse but then
>> contradict themselves in words or actions." [Hare, 41]. Psychopaths
>> may apologize or show remorse only to get away with something, but in
>> the end you will be stabbed in the back and realize how very shallow
>> their words were.
>>
>> The psychopath appears not to be able to remember what they had said
>> or committed to for very long. They seem to always be living in the
>> present. That is why they are usually guilty of being big "promise-
>> makers" who cannot live up to their word. Once again, it will be the
>> victim who must deal with the aftermath of all the psychopath's twists
>> and turns, and when he gets you angry enough, you will be discredited
>> as "defective" by him, and the psychopath will often make himself out
>> to be the real victim. As John Wayne Gacy once said, "I was the
>> victim, I was cheated out of my childhood."
>>
>> What often happens in the aftermath, as Field has stated, is that the
>> victim may repress his or her anger for a quite a while, but then,
>> often many months later, a sudden realization of the truth may come
>> over the individual, and the victim will finally realize that all
>> along he/she has been bullied by the psychopath. This is when the
>> victim suddenly becomes very angry and is motivated to have some sort
>> of justice. But when trying to obtain justice with a psychopath, be
>> aware that you will be the one to pay if you don't take a firm stand;
>> the experience will have you more confused and bewildered, and you may
>> even feel tempted to fight fire with fire.
>>
>> In some cases, our society allows psychopathy because we do not really
>> fight back against cheating and lying behaviours (one good example:
>> Bill Clinton). They are also good at tricking their own psychiatrists.
>> For instance, two individuals I (Wendy Koenigsmann) knew bragged that
>> they liked to play mind-games with psychiatrists.
>>
>> "I was the case-study; they could never figure out what was wrong with
>> me, so I would just play mind-games with them" commented one of them.
>> He also learned, from reading about psychiatry and having therapy,
>> that he could just "blame someone else" to get away with things. "I
>> just blame someone else" he said, nonchalantly.
>>
>> When asked, in particular, why he hated his mother so much, (he
>> claimed she physically/mentally/emotionally abused him), he replied,
>> "Because my mother projects all of the ******** she's ever been dumped
>> by on me."
>>
>> That is why Hare believes that therapy makes psychopaths worse; most
>> of them learn about human emotions through psychiatry, and they are
>> "eager to attribute their faults and problems to childhood abuse."
>> [Hare, 50]. Also, "antisocials (psychopaths) themselves can be
>> uncooperative or unpleasant, complicating efforts to study and treat
>> them." [Black, 12].
>>
>> As for recovery from the psychopath, despite the pain that may be left
>> (some people never recover, according to Field), you will learn how
>> very uncomplicated yet cowardly the psychopath's means of keeping cool
>> is. It's just the way the psychopath must function to maintain their
>> rather fragile (but set in stone for life) self-image.
>>
>> While few psychopaths commit violent crimes, the callousness of the
>> average psychopath usually ranges through subtle, but still
>> devastating misdeeds:
>>
>> "Parasitically bleeding other people of their possessions, savings,
>> and dignity; aggressively doing and taking what they want; shamefully
>> neglecting the physical and emotional welfare of their families;
>> engaging in an unending series of casual, impersonal, and trivial
>> sexual relationships; and so forth." [Hare, 45].
>>
>> This is a main feature of their lack of empathy.Also, be forewarned
>> that the psychopath will expend much effort (at the victim's cost), in
>> setting up plans, expectations, etc., but they give very little, or
>> nothing, in return. When he knows he's done something to you which you
>> may not comply with, he'll have an escape route ready. Most normal
>> people do the same thing, in a general sense, but the psychopath does
>> it out of pure selfishness, greed, and callousness. He won't care
>> whether it hurts your feelings or not, whatever treachery he enacts
>> will not be disguised once the show is over with him.
>>
>> I (Wendy Koenigsmann) would like to recount the experience of a friend
>> of mine from Japan. She had been communicating with a man who lived in
>> San Diego for over a year, and during the time of their
>> correspondences and phone calls, he seemed so "sweet, caring, and
>> kind." She mentioned how beautifully written his emails were, and so
>> on.
>>
>> It came to pass that this man asked my friend to marry him, and, to
>> top it off, he promised her that he had a job ready for her in the
>> city where he lived, he even sent her a letter from the company with
>> all the information.
>>
>> Well, my friend believed him and came to the United States to marry
>> him.
>>
>> On their first meeting, she mentioned how it was already the beginning
>> of the end, and how she should have seen it coming. She told him,
>> after they met at the airport, that she needed to make a phone call,
>> and instead of letting her use his cell-phone, he told her to use the
>> pay-phone. My friend, albeit naive, mentioned that this contradicted
>> his persona on the phone and through emails. She said she was a bit
>> shocked, but nevertheless she married him.
>>
>> As the weeks went by, things got worse. She found out that there was
>> no job, and that the letter he had sent her was actually just the
>> letterhead from the company copied onto another paper. In other words,
>> her new husband had committed forgery in order to trick her.
>>
>> Next, she began to receive phone calls from women in the Philippines
>> and Canada who told her that her new husband had been inviting them
>> (via online) to come and live with him. My friend was so distraught
>> that she told these women over and over that he was lying to all of
>> them while playing the biggest trick of all on her. The women didn't
>> believe it (why do women tend to disbelieve another woman when they
>> are trying to warn them?), but eventually, my friend told them "If you
>> want to see the proof that I am married to him, then come here and I
>> will prove it."
>>
>> Eventually, she learned from friends and family that Mr. Wonderful was
>> a pathological liar who had a long history of using women and having
>> his mother cover his tracks for him, and, sad to say, this wasn't the
>> only one she ran into. I can say the same, that is why I've written
>> this website, (Wendy Koenigsmann) because I can tell you that these
>> people are out there, and I don't want anything to happen to anyone
>> else or go through what my friend or myself have experienced. It is my
>> goal that through my website, more people, not only women, but men,
>> will become informed and not become victims themselves, because it is
>> truly a painful experience to deal with.
>>
>> So, what is the lowdown on dealing with psychopaths?
>>
>> Either avoid them, or, once you know or suspect what they are, avoid
>> them.
>>
>> Any further contact with a psychopath will be truly damaging. Once you
>> have been involved with a few of them, like many people I know, you
>> also learn to watch for the "red flags." This doesn't mean you should
>> be paranoid about people, just careful.
>>
>> The fact is, regardless of all studies and new therapies, psychopaths
>> are "hard-wired" for life-long bad behaviour. Leland M. Heller, M.D.,
>> writes that people who have this disorder have symptoms which include
>> lying, cheating, cruelty, criminal behaviour, irresponsibility, lack
>> of remorse, poor relationships, exploitation, manipulation,
>> destructiveness, irritability, aggressiveness, and job failures. Many
>> do not exhibit criminal behaviour, but act antisocially in socially
>> acceptable professions.
>>
>> Alcohol makes the disorder worse, and psychopaths are very prone to
>> substance abuse. The causes are often "poor parental discipline,
>> association with "bad" kids, and poor bonding with parents..."
>> [Heller, 75]. But the causes can also be mostly biological.
>>
>> Another characteristic is their unusual word usage, because they can't
>> distinguish between neutral and emotional words. One psychopathic
>> individual told me that he was "deftly afraid of needles" once, but
>> the word deftly implies "skill." Instead of saying "deathly afraid,"
>> he said "deftly," and never noticed it was wrong. (See Hare's book for
>> more interesting examples of this).
>>
>> Strangely enough, many find the psychopath's verbal deftness quite
>> charming, and psychopaths do tend to talk a lot, especially when
>> they're pouring on the charm.
>>
>> The question is, can you spot one before they get to you?
>>
>> That is why it's important to study whether or not you may be the type
>> who falls for them, who, in essence, becomes prey to believing in
>> them. Some people may find concern over psychopathy irrelevant, but
>> it's not. Psychopathy causes tremendous damage in our society, and
>> affects all levels of our lives. It causes illnesses and disorders
>> such as PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder). Money is also lost by
>> innocent victims to psychopaths, and these social predators also do
>> much economic damage to our society.
>>
>> Everyone, especially women, should learn to identify psychopathy and
>> watch for red flags. This doesn't mean diagnosing every man you date,
>> but preferably just being aware of the disorder can help out a lot!
>> After my own experiences, I truly believe in the saying "better safe
>> than sorry."
>>
>> I will emphasize once more that I do believe most women transfer what
>> they want to believe onto the psychopath, to the extent that he is
>> painted in an unrealistic light, so psychopaths can also "play with
>> your mind" in this regard. Most victims of the psychopath only see
>> what they want to see, initially. That is why Field says, "Naivete is
>> the great enemy."Many also "cling to the belief that their loved one
>> (the psychopath) simply has a few problems just like anyone else, not
>> the symptoms of a personality disorder." [Black, 59].
>>
>> In the book When Your Lover Is a Liar the issue of psychopathy and how
>> psychopaths manipulate women is also pointed out. The author believes
>> that a psychopath's greatest thrill is just being able to "pull the
>> wool" over a woman's eyes. For people who are emotionally normal, we
>> cannot understand what kind of thrill this is or why some of them
>> would go to such lengths in order to trick someone. But as Dr. Heller
>> states, "psychopaths feel no remorse, and actually enjoy their
>> antisocial behavior." (Heller, 76).
>>
>> Also, what I believe makes them most dangerous, is that they can be
>> quite charming and persuasive, and "they have remarkably good insight
>> into the needs and weaknesses of other people" as recounted in the
>> text, Psychology In Action: "Even when they are indifferent to the
>> rights of their associates, they are often able to inspire feelings of
>> trust and confidence." This is best exemplified by a psychopath who
>> professes that "everything is fine" while lying point-blank to your
>> face with seeming honesty and candor, and then, as soon as you turn
>> away for a second, he will stab you in the back.
>>
>> In the end, you will know them "by their fruits" so to speak. They
>> will be sure to let you know who's boss. As one female victim
>> recounted in Hare's book Without Conscience... she couldn't understand
>> how someone (the psychopath she had known) could have wormed his way
>> into her life and then just disappeared so easily. This is how they
>> operate. They just don't give a damn about anyone. Except themselves.
>>
>> Another very strong characteristic to look for (or listen for) is what
>> Dr. Hare refers to as "duping delight." It is as if the psychopath has
>> no need to lie or purpose in lying, the pleasure is attained through
>> merely pulling one over on somebody.
>>
>> As for addictions and so forth, "among the clearest of these links is
>> the one between ASP (psychopathy) and the abuse of alcohol and other
>> drugs," [Black, 91], although most psychopaths would never admit they
>> have a drinking problem, even when it's obvious. As one psychopath put
>> it, "I know how to drink. Drinking is a responsibility, I've been
>> doing it since I was 12."
>>
>> So, once again: Can psychopaths change? Can you change them?
>>
>> No, they choose to behave as they do, even though, to some extent they
>> do have a personality disorder. Dr. Black, however, believes that even
>> those patients who "show the greatest change seem unable to comprehend
>> the degree to which their actions affected those around them. They may
>> continue to live in emotional isolation. Self-interest is a natural
>> component of the human makeup, but it is especially strong in
>> antisocials and leaves many of them unable to develop full compassion,
>> conscience, and other attributes that make for successful social
>> relations." [Black, 144].
>>
>> "Don't Expect A Miracle"
>> In consequence, whether or not they can't or don't desire to change,
>> studies have shown that they won't change, in general, so don't waste
>> your time trying to help or change them, for the help you offer will
>> always be repaid to you in full by treachery. Black also believes that
>> "victims may fear revenge or other potential consequences, but leaving
>> the abusive situation (with a psychopath) is often better than trying
>> to survive in a relationship built on intimidation and violence."
>> [Black, 185]. Personally, I also believe that it's better to not
>> accept meager crumbs of fake affection from a psychopath. No one needs
>> that kind of abuse. If you keep taking that abuse, I can grant you
>> that you will pay for it both mentally and emotionally, for a very
>> long time. The end result is what is referred to as having been
>> psychologically battered.
>>
>> Some people, feeling that they need to save others (co-dependents),
>> and perhaps a bit proud in their need to prove a point, often fall
>> prey to psychopaths because they refuse to believe the truth. I also
>> wanted to make note that some psychopaths appear to show some insight
>> into their own personality make-up ("I'm a jerk," etc.); however, this
>> does not really mean that they care how they behave. They choose to
>> behave this way.
>>
>> The aftermath of dealing with these individuals and the recovery
>> process can be a "long, slow and painful process" according to Field -
>> - but one must remember that if you have been a victim (target) you
>> are only the "latest in a long line of people onto whom he (the
>> psychopath) had to displace his aggression. He will probably do this
>> throughout his life." Sad to say, "antisocials (psychopaths) often
>> spend their last years alone, sometimes plagued by regret for what
>> they never knew they were missing until it was too late." [Black, 89].
>>
>> Do I find this a sad fact? Yes. It is very sad and I find it extremely
>> unfortunate that there are people who live their lives this way. But
>> like I mentioned before, as I cannot emphasize this enough: no matter
>> how much pity or compassion you may have for a psychopathic
>> individual, don't try "saving" them. It will only hurt you in the end.
>> As my friend from Japan stated, "(These people) just don't care
>> whether what they do may ruin your life! They can ruin your life!"
>>
>> Cleckley's original list of symptoms of a psychopath:
>> 1. Considerable superficial charm and average or above average
>> intelligence.
>>
>> 2. Absence of delusions and other signs of irrational thinking
>>
>> 3. Absence of anxiety or other "neurotic" symptoms considerable poise,
>> calmness, and verbal facility.
>>
>> 4. Unreliability, disregard for obligations no sense of
>> responsibility, in matters of little and great import.
>>
>> 5.Untruthfulness and insincerity
>>
>> 7. Antisocial behavior which is inadequately motivated and poorly
>> planned, seeming to stem from an inexplicable impulsiveness.
>>
>> 7.Inadequately motivated antisocial behavior
>>
>> 8.Poor judgment and failure to learn from experience
>>
>> 9. Pathological egocentricity. Total self-centeredness incapacity for
>> real love and attachment.
>>
>> 10. General poverty ot deep and lasting emotions.
>>
>> 11. Lack of any true insight, inability to see oneself as others do.
>>
>> 12. Ingratitude for any special considerations, kindness, and trust.
>>
>> 13. Fantastic and objectionable behavior, after drinking and sometimes
>> even when not drinking--vulgarity, rudeness, quick mood shifts,
>> pranks.
>>
>> 14. No history of genuine suicide attempts.
>>
>> 15. An impersonal, trivial, and poorly integrated --- life.
>>
>> 16. Failure to have a life plan and to live in any ordered way, unless
>> it be one promoting self-defeat.
>>
>> "...More often than not, the typical psychopath will seem particularly
>> agreeable and make a distinctly positive impression when he is first
>> encountered. Alert and friendly in his attitude, he is easy to talk
>> with and seems to have a good many genuine interests. There is nothing
>> at all odd or queer about him, and in every respect he tends to embody
>> the concept of a well-adjusted, happy person. Nor does he, on the
>> other hand, seem to be artificially exerting himself like one who is
>> covering up or who wants to sell you a bill of goods. He would seldom
>> be confused with the professional backslapper or someone who is trying
>> to ingratiate himself for a concealed purpose. Signs of affectation or
>> excessive affability are not characteristic. He looks like the real
>> thing.
>>
>> "Very often indications of good sense and sound reasoning will emerge,
>> and one is likely to feel soon after meeting him that this normal and
>> pleasant person is also one with -high abilities. Psychometric tests
>> also very frequently show him of superior intelligence. More than the
>> average person, he is likely to seem free from social or emotional
>> impediments, from the minor distortions, peculiarities, and
>> awkwardnesses so common even among the successful. Such superficial
>> characteristics are not universal in this group but they are very
>> common..."
>>
>> "...It must be granted of course that the psychopath has some affect.
>> Affect is, perhaps, a component in the sum of life reactions even in
>> the unicellular protoplasmic entity. Certainly in all mammals it is
>> obvious. The relatively petty states of pleasure, vexation, and
>> animosity experienced by the psychopath have been mentioned. The
>> opinion here maintained is that he fails to know all those more
>> serious and deeply moving affective states which make up the tragedy
>> and triumph of ordinary life, of life at the level of important human
>> experience..."
>>
>> Hare's Checklist
>> 1. GLIB and SUPERFICIAL CHARM -- the tendency to be smooth, engaging,
>> charming, slick, and verbally facile. Psychopathic charm is not in the
>> least shy, self-conscious, or afraid to say anything. A psychopath
>> never gets tongue-tied. They have freed themselves from the social
>> conventions about taking turns in talking, for example.
>>
>> 2. GRANDIOSE SELF-WORTH -- a grossly inflated view of one's abilities
>> and self-worth, self-assured, opinionated, cocky, a braggart.
>> Psychopaths are arrogant people who believe they are superior human
>> beings.
>>
>> 3. NEED FOR STIMULATION or PRONENESS TO BOREDOM -- an excessive need
>> for novel, thrilling, and exciting stimulation; taking chances and
>> doing things that are risky. Psychopaths often have a low
>> self-discipline in carrying tasks through to completion because they
>> get bored easily. They fail to work at the same job for any length of
>> time, for example, or to finish tasks that they consider dull or
>> routine.
>>
>> 4. PATHOLOGICAL LYING -- can be moderate or high; in moderate form,
>> they will be shrewd, crafty, cunning, sly, and clever; in extreme
>> form, they will be deceptive, deceitful, underhanded, unscrupulous,
>> manipulative, and dishonest.
>>
>> 5. CONNING AND MANIPULATIVENESS- the use of deceit and deception to
>> cheat, con, or defraud others for personal gain; distinguished from
>> Item #4 in the degree to which exploitation and callous ruthlessness
>> is present, as reflected in a lack of concern for the feelings and
>> suffering of one's victims.
>>
>> 6. LACK OF REMORSE OR GUILT -- a lack of feelings or concern for the
>> losses, pain, and suffering of victims; a tendency to be unconcerned,
>> dispassionate, coldhearted, and unempathic. This item is usually
>> demonstrated by a disdain for one's victims.
>>
>> 7. SHALLOW AFFECT -- emotional poverty or a limited range or depth of
>> feelings; interpersonal coldness in spite of signs of open
>> gregariousness.
>>
>> 8. CALLOUSNESS and LACK OF EMPATHY -- a lack of feelings toward people
>> in general; cold, contemptuous, inconsiderate, and tactless.
>>
>> 9. PARASITIC LIFESTYLE -- an intentional, manipulative, selfish, and
>> exploitative financial dependence on others as reflected in a lack of
>> motivation, low self-discipline, and inability to begin or complete
>> responsibilities.
>>
>> 10. POOR BEHAVIORAL CONTROLS -- expressions of irritability,
>> annoyance, impatience, threats, aggression, and verbal abuse;
>> inadequate control of anger and temper; acting hastily.
>>
>> 11. PROMISCUOUS SEXUAL BEHAVIOR -- a variety of brief, superficial
>> relations, numerous affairs, and an indiscriminate selection of sexual
>> partners; the maintenance of several relationships at the same time; a
>> history of attempts to sexually coerce others into sexual activity or
>> taking great pride at discussing sexual exploits or conquests.
>>
>> 12. EARLY BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS -- a variety of behaviors prior to age 13,
>> including lying, theft, cheating, vandalism, bullying, sexual
>> activity, fire-setting, glue-sniffing, alcohol use, and running away
>> from home.
>>
>> 13. LACK OF REALISTIC, LONG-TERM GOALS -- an inability or persistent
>> failure to develop and execute long-term plans and goals; a nomadic
>> existence, aimless, lacking direction in life.
>>
>> 14. IMPULSIVITY -- the occurrence of behaviors that are unpremeditated
>> and lack reflection or planning; inability to resist temptation,
>> frustrations, and urges; a lack of deliberation without considering
>> the consequences; foolhardy, rash, unpredictable, erratic, and
>> reckless.
>>
>> 15. IRRESPONSIBILITY -- repeated failure to fulfill or honor
>> obligations and commitments; such as not paying bills, defaulting on
>> loans, performing sloppy work, being absent or late to work, failing
>> to honor contractual agreements.
>>
>> 16. FAILURE TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR OWN ACTIONS -- a failure to
>> accept responsibility for one's actions reflected in low
>> conscientiousness, an absence of dutifulness, antagonistic
>> manipulation, denial of responsibility, and an effort to manipulate
>> others through this denial.
>>
>> 17. MANY SHORT-TERM MARITAL RELATIONSHIPS -- a lack of commitment to a
>> long-term relationship reflected in inconsistent, undependable, and
>> unreliable commitments in life, including marital.
>>
>> 18. JUVENILE DELINQUENCY -- behavior problems between the ages of
>> 13-18; mostly behaviors that are crimes or clearly involve aspects of
>> antagonism, exploitation, aggression, manipulation, or a callous,
>> ruthless tough-mindedness.
>>
>> 19. REVOCATION OF CONDITION RELEASE -- a revocation of probation or
>> other conditional release due to technical violations, such as
>> carelessness, low deliberation, or failing to appear.
>>
>> 20. CRIMINAL VERSATILITY -- a diversity of types of criminal offenses,
>> regardless if the person has been arrested or convicted for them;
>> taking great pride at getting away with crimes.
>>
>>
>>
>> NEXT: How Psychopaths View Their World
>>
>> From: An American Obsession ... the Psychopath
>>
>> I wish to educate and warn you the reader of some of the more common
>> signs that the person in question -- usually a male -- is someone you
>> should detach from...and quickly! The sooner you can detect a
>> troublesome person, the better off you will be. One quick check is
>> your placement of him/r on the ------- scale. Now remember, not every
>> jerk or idiot is necessarily psychotic! However, the psychopath is an
>> extreme form of the "-------" personality type, they've just learned
>> to conceal it most of the time and appear to be "nice, charming"
>> people. They are developmentally stuck in their early years, still
>> fighting the battles of authority and parental control over them!
>>
>

L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III

There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it!
But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@***.net,
abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------.
It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
other accusations would be thrown out of court.
When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
man??????????
People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
suggest!!!!!
If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
Sheriffs Department.
I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
contradicts it's self.
You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward.
I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
24bit:
12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or
LW------@------.net
Sincerely,
Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital
before you hurt yourself or someone else.
Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/******* like you at
the top of your groups! :-)
The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my
Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that,
coward.
BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of.
:-)
I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a
straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again.
Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.
There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only
******* like would think of.
That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic
------.
Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella.
Where'd you find that babbling?????
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"24Bit®" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message
news:ac6bh39u7v1m4lrp980dt0kmgsh8dfe8v9@4ax.com...
>
>
> Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured
> Norman Doidge
> National Post
> What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that
> every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy?
>
> That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is
> illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 ---
> offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in
> Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths.
> All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their
> "offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was
> found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment
> behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more
> likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter
> Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals.
>
> The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally
> -- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more
> than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed
> in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in
> our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by
> appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity,
> since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated
> treatments really psychotherapy?
>
> Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a
> self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on.
> Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely
> because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use
> psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for
> concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives,
> which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and
> concern by definition.
>
> But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially
> on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt
> co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching
> new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a
> psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given
> moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit.
> Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories
> that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths.
>
> Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute
> clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from
> Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by
> something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the
> prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system.
> Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the
> community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any
> psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect.
>
> The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions.
> To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their
> miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are
> short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in
> eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over.
>
> I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her
> boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of
> other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from
> a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume
> self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can
> raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches
> or "negative tapes" in her head.
>
> Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an
> ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise
> backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their
> consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest
> of mankind how to be remorseless.
>
> But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part
> of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is
> sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task
> force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards
> with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around
> prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should
> carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible
> choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would
> be practised.
>
> So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute
> 1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all
> crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's
> just say they are beyond therapy.
>
> That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are
> psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have
> low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term
> intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical
> evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from
> treatment.
>
> The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of
> mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of
> forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an
> unwillingness to make basic distinctions.
>
> In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a
> hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous
> person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as
> we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his
> soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is
> always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to
> control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what
> is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the
> bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the
> virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not
> "conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue,
> that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the
> physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence
> shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and
> functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our
> notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions
> into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked
> by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious.
>

L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III

There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it!
But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@***.net,
abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------.
It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
other accusations would be thrown out of court.
When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
man??????????
People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
suggest!!!!!
If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
Sheriffs Department.
I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
contradicts it's self.
You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward.
I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
24bit:
12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or
LW------@------.net
Sincerely,
Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital
before you hurt yourself or someone else.
Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/******* like you at
the top of your groups! :-)
The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my
Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that,
coward.
BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of.
:-)
I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a
straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again.
Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.
There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only
******* like would think of.
That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic
------.
Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella.
Where'd you find that babbling?????
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"24Bit®" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message
news:ac6bh39u7v1m4lrp980dt0kmgsh8dfe8v9@4ax.com...
>
>
> Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured
> Norman Doidge
> National Post
> What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that
> every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy?
>
> That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is
> illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 ---
> offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in
> Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths.
> All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their
> "offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was
> found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment
> behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more
> likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter
> Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals.
>
> The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally
> -- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more
> than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed
> in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in
> our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by
> appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity,
> since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated
> treatments really psychotherapy?
>
> Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a
> self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on.
> Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely
> because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use
> psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for
> concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives,
> which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and
> concern by definition.
>
> But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially
> on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt
> co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching
> new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a
> psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given
> moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit.
> Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories
> that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths.
>
> Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute
> clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from
> Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by
> something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the
> prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system.
> Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the
> community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any
> psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect.
>
> The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions.
> To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their
> miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are
> short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in
> eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over.
>
> I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her
> boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of
> other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from
> a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume
> self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can
> raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches
> or "negative tapes" in her head.
>
> Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an
> ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise
> backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their
> consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest
> of mankind how to be remorseless.
>
> But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part
> of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is
> sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task
> force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards
> with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around
> prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should
> carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible
> choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would
> be practised.
>
> So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute
> 1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all
> crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's
> just say they are beyond therapy.
>
> That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are
> psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have
> low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term
> intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical
> evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from
> treatment.
>
> The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of
> mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of
> forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an
> unwillingness to make basic distinctions.
>
> In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a
> hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous
> person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as
> we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his
> soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is
> always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to
> control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what
> is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the
> bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the
> virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not
> "conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue,
> that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the
> physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence
> shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and
> functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our
> notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions
> into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked
> by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious.
>

L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III

There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
course, doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country for that.
Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self, with its goat
obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's surprise. Like
when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul language in
elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too senile to
remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind me of a
little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking it's rabid
head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name, address, or
even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it!
But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@***.net,
abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------.
It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
other accusations would be thrown out of court.
When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
man??????????
People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
suggest!!!!!
If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
Sheriffs Department.
I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
contradicts it's self.
You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward.
I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
24bit:
12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or
LW------@------.net
Sincerely,
Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital
before you hurt yourself or someone else.
Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/******* like you at
the top of your groups! :-)
The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my
Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that,
coward.
BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of.
:-)
I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a
straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again.
Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.
There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only
******* like would think of.
That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic
------.
Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella.
Where'd you find that babbling?????
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"24Bit®" <24Bit@Ur.Asylm.org> wrote in message
news:ac6bh39u7v1m4lrp980dt0kmgsh8dfe8v9@4ax.com...
>
>
> Beyond therapy: Some evil can't be cured
> Norman Doidge
> National Post
> What, other than our wish that it be otherwise, makes us think that
> every human vice is treatable by some form of psychotherapy?
>
> That this wish is not just naive, but, at times, harmful is
> illustrated by a recent Canadian study on group treatment for 238 ---
> offenders (rapists, incest offenders) from Warkworth penitentiary in
> Ontario. These prisoners included some well-documented psychopaths.
> All were taught to "empathize" with victims, and understand their
> "offence cycle" as part of treatment. After their release, it was
> found that those who had scored highest in terms of "good treatment
> behaviour" and who had the highest "empathy" scores were the more
> likely to reoffend on release into the community. Hannibal Lecter
> Charm School teaches good manners, but not morals.
>
> The important study by Seto and Barbaree replicated -- unintentionally
> -- a 1992 Canadian study that found treated psychopaths reoffend more
> than psychopaths who are not treated. A larger study, just completed
> in Britain, shows the same. It may be that all psychopaths learn, in
> our new ersatz empathy institutes, is how to manipulate better by
> appearing more caring. But should we be surprised at the duplicity,
> since such treatments are generally mandated? And are such mandated
> treatments really psychotherapy?
>
> Just because a self-described "patient" is in a room with a
> self-described "therapist" doesn't mean psychotherapy is going on.
> Freud argued psychopaths are untreatable in psychotherapy precisely
> because having a conscience is a prerequisite for being able to use
> psychotherapy. It is the conscience, and the related capacity for
> concern for others, that drives the serious scrutiny of one's motives,
> which underlie one's behaviour. Yet psychopaths lack conscience and
> concern by definition.
>
> But these new psychopath-friendly treatments focus only superficially
> on motives or matters of good faith by tracking attendance and overt
> co-operativeness. Mostly they focus on impulse control and teaching
> new behaviours and mindsets. Past naive, they hope that because a
> psychopath can appear remorseful, or change his behaviour at any given
> moment, his overall mindset or deeper intentions will follow suit.
> Three cheers for us: We have invented treatments based on theories
> that are less complex than the impoverished minds of psychopaths.
>
> Psychotherapy doesn't just require a good theory and an astute
> clinician. It also requires a patient. The word patient comes from
> Latin, and means "to suffer." A patient, by definition, is bothered by
> something. Yet most treatments of prisoners originate not from the
> prisoner's suffering, but are mandated by the justice system.
> Corrections Canada knows many psychopaths will be released into the
> community eventually, so it attempts to change them, even though any
> psychotherapy for adults that has to be mandated is suspect.
>
> The "treatment" reported on in the Canadian study lasted 300 sessions.
> To their credit, the treaters didn't believe they could work their
> miracles overnight. Yet, more and more, mandated treatments are
> short-term: eight to 10 sessions. Most people can't quit smoking in
> eight to 10 sessions, never mind do a Karla Homolka make over.
>
> I refer here to the same Karla Homolka who expressed concern for her
> boyfriend's happiness by helping him kill her sister and a number of
> other young girls, and who is reported recently to have benefited from
> a self-esteem course in prison. Such courses, which presume
> self-esteem can be taught, generally involve telling a person she can
> raise her esteem in her own eyes by interrupting their self-reproaches
> or "negative tapes" in her head.
>
> Applying these self-esteem techniques to psychopaths requires an
> ability to get everything about the psychotherapeutic enterprise
> backwards. Psychopaths don't need lessons in clearing their
> consciences; if anything, it is they who ought to be teaching the rest
> of mankind how to be remorseless.
>
> But mushy-gushy therapy is not just confined to therapists. It is part
> of a dangerous denial of the nature of psychopathy and evil that is
> sweeping through our correctional services. A recent federal task
> force on security, released on Nov. 2, advised getting rid of guards
> with guns, unseemly razor-wire fences and intimidating towers around
> prisons (National Post, Dec. 15). It even advised that inmates should
> carry the keys to their own cells so they could make "responsible
> choices." "Restorative justice" based on "a culture of respect" would
> be practised.
>
> So here is a respectful way of framing things. Psychopaths constitute
> 1% of the population, but are so talented they conduct 50% of all
> crimes. Since it might be hurtful to say they are incurable, let's
> just say they are beyond therapy.
>
> That much said, surprising as it sounds, not all --- offenders are
> psychopaths; some, who have been involved in incest, apparently have
> low rates of reoffending. Some may benefit, at times, from long-term
> intensive interventions and monitoring. But there is no empirical
> evidence that --- offenders who are psychopaths benefit from
> treatment.
>
> The federal report is a miscarriage of justice, and a miscarriage of
> mercy. It is based on a distortion of religious notions of
> forgiveness, political notions of equality, a scientific zeal and an
> unwillingness to make basic distinctions.
>
> In ancient times, Aristotle made those distinctions, and developed a
> hierarchy of virtue and vice. At the top of the ladder is the virtuous
> person, who only aims toward good things; he is not "conflicted," as
> we would say, because there is no war between virtue and vice in his
> soul. Next, comes the continent person, who behaves well, but is
> always a bit tense because he is struggling, albeit successfully, to
> control his vices. Then comes the incontinent person, who knows what
> is right, but who frequently slips up, failing in his struggle. At the
> bottom of the hierarchy is the brute -- our psychopath. Like the
> virtuous person, he, too, is not at war with himself, is not
> "conflicted." Unlike the virtuous person, it is vice, and not virtue,
> that rules. Aristotle thought there was something different in the
> physical makeup of such people. Indeed, recent brain scan evidence
> shows some psychopaths do have altered brain structure and
> functioning. Our mistake (based on mindless extrapolations of our
> notion of political equality) is to collapse all these distinctions
> into the continent or incontinent categories. Indeed, we are as irked
> by notions of the virtuous as we are of the vicious.
>

Cassandra Incognito

Top-posting coward L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:
> More power to him, so far I'm the only one that gives a sh*t about this
> group!

You already said you don't care about this group, Bill. Were you lying
then or are you lying now?

> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "twaldron" <dude@purplebunions.com> wrote in message
> news:Ef8Ri.7879$2o1.2400@trnddc03...
>>
>> Certainly there would have to be some moderation on his part. I think
>> the difference is that you can ban offenders, unlike the usenet which is
>> open to all, kooks alike. There would be no instances of blathering
>> idiots, spambots, and sock puppets. You have to have a valid email
>> address to register. I think you'd be an asset if you care to give it a
>> shot. I hope it takes off.
>>
>> tw
>
>

Cassandra Incognito

Top-posting coward L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:
> More power to him, so far I'm the only one that gives a sh*t about this
> group!

You already said you don't care about this group, Bill. Were you lying
then or are you lying now?

> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "twaldron" <dude@purplebunions.com> wrote in message
> news:Ef8Ri.7879$2o1.2400@trnddc03...
>>
>> Certainly there would have to be some moderation on his part. I think
>> the difference is that you can ban offenders, unlike the usenet which is
>> open to all, kooks alike. There would be no instances of blathering
>> idiots, spambots, and sock puppets. You have to have a valid email
>> address to register. I think you'd be an asset if you care to give it a
>> shot. I hope it takes off.
>>
>> tw
>
>

Cassandra Incognito

Top-posting coward L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:
> More power to him, so far I'm the only one that gives a sh*t about this
> group!

You already said you don't care about this group, Bill. Were you lying
then or are you lying now?

> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "twaldron" <dude@purplebunions.com> wrote in message
> news:Ef8Ri.7879$2o1.2400@trnddc03...
>>
>> Certainly there would have to be some moderation on his part. I think
>> the difference is that you can ban offenders, unlike the usenet which is
>> open to all, kooks alike. There would be no instances of blathering
>> idiots, spambots, and sock puppets. You have to have a valid email
>> address to register. I think you'd be an asset if you care to give it a
>> shot. I hope it takes off.
>>
>> tw
>
>

L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III

There you go again, the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS,
over the fact that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents,
possessions, successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body,
Christian family, and name. What a jealous little draft dodging senile
coward from 12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT, Mediacom
Communications Corp MEDIACOMCC-12-205-156-0-GULF-BREEZE-Florida, that of
course, I killed, now it's 12-202-247-159.client.mchsi.com New Albany,
Indiana asylum. It doesn't have a DD214, it had to have served our country
for that. Who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of its self,
with its goat obsession/fetish, where it writes via remailers, to no one's
surprise. Like when the other kids laughed at its attempt to use foul
language in elementary school play grounds, but its just gibberish. Too
senile to remember what he last wrote, like the rest of Florida. You remind
me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with its senseless barking
it's rabid head off, me too, me too. And is too afraid to use your name,
address, or even sign your statement as any man would, totally worthless!
Posted pornography at: news:0u7g43dkje4pdkqi07hl66s8kpifo564k1@4ax.com
As a member of the moral majority I know what ---- is when I see it!
But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com,
fraud@mchsi.com, fraud@4AX.COM, abuse@aioe.org, admin@***.net,
abuse@teranews.com for forgery.
I thought your attacks were just personal disagreements, but with
passing of my country's Independents Day, I realize these attacks are
stemming from my love of God and America, and that's what you've been doing
all along is declaring your hatred for the United States of America, with
each declaration of my signature, but just too cowardly to be a ---------.
It's America, love it, or leave it, so get the f*ck out!
Considering the source, which you're a habitual lair, so these plus your
other accusations would be thrown out of court.
When are you going to take responsibility for yourself, and become a
man??????????
People that follow astrology, know the traits you have listed are a
hundred eighty out from any Capricorn.
Forwarded to: alt.binaries.pictures.autos, alt.binaries.automobile.pictures
groups so they may to see what an a**hole you really are!!!!!
Is this what your Psychologist wrote about you? They don't fit any
Capricorn, sounds like a spoil Leo.
You're a LIAR and never been in the Service much less Vietnam, as you
suggest!!!!!
If you think I'm a Psycho, then report me to my friends at the San Diego
Sheriffs Department.
I'm just really curious as to who you think will believe you over any
man responsible enough to list his name and address here and in every place
I know of????? All you can do is lie, as most everything you have said
contradicts it's self.
You know what they say, once a ------ coward, always a ------ coward.
I won't give up until traitors like you are gone from these groups I
participate and see you've pretty well killed this group I will devote my
life to reminding your groups who you are!!!!!!!
I would appreciate the name and address of these trolls, Square Wheel:
S0106000ea6ba70e7.vn.shawcable.net 24.86.24.251 intrepidator@shaw.ca and
24bit:
12.205.158.32 AT&T WorldNet Services ATT Mediacom Communications Corp. I
will keep your name in confidence, kindly email -------------------- or
LW------@------.net
Sincerely,
Llewellyn W. (Bill) ------ III
You're not fooling anyone, ------! You need to get back in the hospital
before you hurt yourself or someone else.
Oh, and thanks for keeping my fight against troll/******* like you at
the top of your groups! :-)
The only reason you write me is to try to put down my friends and my
Lord Jesus Christ. Well try as you may you're not strong enough for that,
coward.
BTW I put up a couple more of my friends cars for you to be jealous of.
:-)
I happen to know you've been locked in a rubber room, laced in a
straight jacket. Time for lights out at your insane asylum again.
Fortunately it is against the law for you to own a firearm.
There you go with that psychopathic goat obsession/fetish, that only
******* like would think of.
That's what I've said, it's common knowledge you're a schizophrenic
------.
Hehehe I've got your user name blocked over at: Motzarella, ***, and
soon the world of servers.
What are you babbling about?????
And you think the news members won't recognize your girlie writing, and
see your user names, as fake as you.
I used to pity retarded people like you, now you just make me
laugh!!!!!!
As soon as you're squashed I will back to respecting the charter
violate.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


"Cassandra Incognito" <a@b.invalid> wrote in message
news:GriSi.12324$1_2.1838@newsfe12.phx...
> You already said you don't care about this group, Bill. Were you lying
> then or are you lying now?