I went throuigh this with my moser 1 piece axles. They originally came with
sealed "green" ball bearings and after much headache trying to remove the
axles who's bearings had seized into the axle housing I called moser and
they had an upgrade for this axle. The new tapered roller bearings were free
but I had to send them the axles for machining. They had to turn a bit off
of them for the new races to fit. They also told me to tap the axle housing
for grease nipples. Now I can grease my axle bearings and 10 years later
they are still perfect.
"Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
news:bvglqd$3cu$1@news.utelfla.com...
> Hi Bill,
> The axle came with a sealed, ball bearing. I think it was made by
Green.
> Since it was sealed, you don't pack it. It might've lost its lube but the
> ball bearings bound on each other and, "blam", I had to change it. I
tried
> to get the Timken bearing but all I could find in Puerto Rico was crappy
> "Chicago Rawhide" and a myriad of others that were wrong or couldn't fit
the
> inner seals. Even back here in the Florida panhandle, I could only find
one
> that looked like a correct, quality part. What can I say. It should be
> easier.
> I'd order from the internet but, until I'm positive it's the correct
> bearing and seals, I have to see them first.
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:401B1F73.ECC16C9C@***.net...
> > If these are the semi floaters, learn to pack them with grease. A
> > Timken bearing, is a Timken bearing, what's wrong with your local parts
> > store.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > I'd like to replace the wheel bearings and seals for my one-piece
> axles
> > > (pretty sure they're mosers with M+M symbol stamped on them) since
we're
> > > talking about it. Does anybody have a source for the no-kiddin'
> bearings
> > > and seals made for these axles? I'd just like some peace of mind so I
> stop
> > > limping from spinning them.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
>
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I went throuigh this with my moser 1 piece axles. They originally came with
sealed "green" ball bearings and after much headache trying to remove the
axles who's bearings had seized into the axle housing I called moser and
they had an upgrade for this axle. The new tapered roller bearings were free
but I had to send them the axles for machining. They had to turn a bit off
of them for the new races to fit. They also told me to tap the axle housing
for grease nipples. Now I can grease my axle bearings and 10 years later
they are still perfect.
"Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
news:bvglqd$3cu$1@news.utelfla.com...
> Hi Bill,
> The axle came with a sealed, ball bearing. I think it was made by
Green.
> Since it was sealed, you don't pack it. It might've lost its lube but the
> ball bearings bound on each other and, "blam", I had to change it. I
tried
> to get the Timken bearing but all I could find in Puerto Rico was crappy
> "Chicago Rawhide" and a myriad of others that were wrong or couldn't fit
the
> inner seals. Even back here in the Florida panhandle, I could only find
one
> that looked like a correct, quality part. What can I say. It should be
> easier.
> I'd order from the internet but, until I'm positive it's the correct
> bearing and seals, I have to see them first.
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:401B1F73.ECC16C9C@***.net...
> > If these are the semi floaters, learn to pack them with grease. A
> > Timken bearing, is a Timken bearing, what's wrong with your local parts
> > store.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > I'd like to replace the wheel bearings and seals for my one-piece
> axles
> > > (pretty sure they're mosers with M+M symbol stamped on them) since
we're
> > > talking about it. Does anybody have a source for the no-kiddin'
> bearings
> > > and seals made for these axles? I'd just like some peace of mind so I
> stop
> > > limping from spinning them.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
>
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Fletcher wrote:
> I would think that a freeway turn or even better a slide on ice that stopped
> abruptly on dry pavement, could potentially put thousands of pound of
> pressure on that fitting. In either of those scenarios there would be even
> a greater force trying to push the bearing on the outside of that lateral
> movement on tighter. So I guess I can see how it would be difficult to ever
> apply a strong lateral force that would try to pull it apart. The idea of
> a C clip holding the axle does not seem strong enough either, but from
> Bill's page that is not where they fail either, it is by sheering the axle.

Relatively little lateral force is put on an axle while turning, even
(especially) in a turn so hard that you near rolling, the forces are
shearing diagonally (thus why some axles snap instead of simply coming
out). The weight of the vehicle (which is a downward shearing force) and
additional shearing force from body lean (diagonal), along with some
centrifugal force and enough gear friction to require a slide hammer to
yank the axle; all do a pretty good job of keeping things in place.

I can't imagine a realistic or likely scenario where the trailing wheels
in a skid would go from ice to dry pavement without the leading wheels
hitting pavement first, where there ALSO is sufficient down force on the
trailing side wheels to cause them to actually gain enough traction to
pull the axles out.

Off roading is a different matter, but even then it seems more likely
you'll snap the leading side axle(s) from shearing force before there's
enough "negative" lateral force on the trailing side to pop one out intact.

--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

 

Fletcher wrote:
> I would think that a freeway turn or even better a slide on ice that stopped
> abruptly on dry pavement, could potentially put thousands of pound of
> pressure on that fitting. In either of those scenarios there would be even
> a greater force trying to push the bearing on the outside of that lateral
> movement on tighter. So I guess I can see how it would be difficult to ever
> apply a strong lateral force that would try to pull it apart. The idea of
> a C clip holding the axle does not seem strong enough either, but from
> Bill's page that is not where they fail either, it is by sheering the axle.

Relatively little lateral force is put on an axle while turning, even
(especially) in a turn so hard that you near rolling, the forces are
shearing diagonally (thus why some axles snap instead of simply coming
out). The weight of the vehicle (which is a downward shearing force) and
additional shearing force from body lean (diagonal), along with some
centrifugal force and enough gear friction to require a slide hammer to
yank the axle; all do a pretty good job of keeping things in place.

I can't imagine a realistic or likely scenario where the trailing wheels
in a skid would go from ice to dry pavement without the leading wheels
hitting pavement first, where there ALSO is sufficient down force on the
trailing side wheels to cause them to actually gain enough traction to
pull the axles out.

Off roading is a different matter, but even then it seems more likely
you'll snap the leading side axle(s) from shearing force before there's
enough "negative" lateral force on the trailing side to pop one out intact.

--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

 

Fletcher wrote:
> I would think that a freeway turn or even better a slide on ice that stopped
> abruptly on dry pavement, could potentially put thousands of pound of
> pressure on that fitting. In either of those scenarios there would be even
> a greater force trying to push the bearing on the outside of that lateral
> movement on tighter. So I guess I can see how it would be difficult to ever
> apply a strong lateral force that would try to pull it apart. The idea of
> a C clip holding the axle does not seem strong enough either, but from
> Bill's page that is not where they fail either, it is by sheering the axle.

Relatively little lateral force is put on an axle while turning, even
(especially) in a turn so hard that you near rolling, the forces are
shearing diagonally (thus why some axles snap instead of simply coming
out). The weight of the vehicle (which is a downward shearing force) and
additional shearing force from body lean (diagonal), along with some
centrifugal force and enough gear friction to require a slide hammer to
yank the axle; all do a pretty good job of keeping things in place.

I can't imagine a realistic or likely scenario where the trailing wheels
in a skid would go from ice to dry pavement without the leading wheels
hitting pavement first, where there ALSO is sufficient down force on the
trailing side wheels to cause them to actually gain enough traction to
pull the axles out.

Off roading is a different matter, but even then it seems more likely
you'll snap the leading side axle(s) from shearing force before there's
enough "negative" lateral force on the trailing side to pop one out intact.

--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

 

Yep, I'd really like to do the two-minute bearing pack mod myself. Thanks
for the axle upgrade info. I was really worried that I was just doing a
shotty job at the bearing install. Were you able to fit the inner seals
without pressing them up against the bearing after the upgrade?
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"habbi" <habbi@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
news:5odTb.84275$IF6.2117723@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> I went throuigh this with my moser 1 piece axles. They originally came
with
> sealed "green" ball bearings and after much headache trying to remove the
> axles who's bearings had seized into the axle housing I called moser and
> they had an upgrade for this axle. The new tapered roller bearings were
free
> but I had to send them the axles for machining. They had to turn a bit off
> of them for the new races to fit. They also told me to tap the axle
housing
> for grease nipples. Now I can grease my axle bearings and 10 years later
> they are still perfect.
> "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> news:bvglqd$3cu$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > Hi Bill,
> > The axle came with a sealed, ball bearing. I think it was made by
> Green.
> > Since it was sealed, you don't pack it. It might've lost its lube but
the
> > ball bearings bound on each other and, "blam", I had to change it. I
> tried
> > to get the Timken bearing but all I could find in Puerto Rico was crappy
> > "Chicago Rawhide" and a myriad of others that were wrong or couldn't fit
> the
> > inner seals. Even back here in the Florida panhandle, I could only find
> one
> > that looked like a correct, quality part. What can I say. It should be
> > easier.
> > I'd order from the internet but, until I'm positive it's the correct
> > bearing and seals, I have to see them first.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:401B1F73.ECC16C9C@***.net...
> > > If these are the semi floaters, learn to pack them with grease. A
> > > Timken bearing, is a Timken bearing, what's wrong with your local
parts
> > > store.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Drink wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to replace the wheel bearings and seals for my one-piece
> > axles
> > > > (pretty sure they're mosers with M+M symbol stamped on them) since
> we're
> > > > talking about it. Does anybody have a source for the no-kiddin'
> > bearings
> > > > and seals made for these axles? I'd just like some peace of mind so
I
> > stop
> > > > limping from spinning them.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> >
> >
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Yep, I'd really like to do the two-minute bearing pack mod myself. Thanks
for the axle upgrade info. I was really worried that I was just doing a
shotty job at the bearing install. Were you able to fit the inner seals
without pressing them up against the bearing after the upgrade?
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"habbi" <habbi@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
news:5odTb.84275$IF6.2117723@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> I went throuigh this with my moser 1 piece axles. They originally came
with
> sealed "green" ball bearings and after much headache trying to remove the
> axles who's bearings had seized into the axle housing I called moser and
> they had an upgrade for this axle. The new tapered roller bearings were
free
> but I had to send them the axles for machining. They had to turn a bit off
> of them for the new races to fit. They also told me to tap the axle
housing
> for grease nipples. Now I can grease my axle bearings and 10 years later
> they are still perfect.
> "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> news:bvglqd$3cu$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > Hi Bill,
> > The axle came with a sealed, ball bearing. I think it was made by
> Green.
> > Since it was sealed, you don't pack it. It might've lost its lube but
the
> > ball bearings bound on each other and, "blam", I had to change it. I
> tried
> > to get the Timken bearing but all I could find in Puerto Rico was crappy
> > "Chicago Rawhide" and a myriad of others that were wrong or couldn't fit
> the
> > inner seals. Even back here in the Florida panhandle, I could only find
> one
> > that looked like a correct, quality part. What can I say. It should be
> > easier.
> > I'd order from the internet but, until I'm positive it's the correct
> > bearing and seals, I have to see them first.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:401B1F73.ECC16C9C@***.net...
> > > If these are the semi floaters, learn to pack them with grease. A
> > > Timken bearing, is a Timken bearing, what's wrong with your local
parts
> > > store.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Drink wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to replace the wheel bearings and seals for my one-piece
> > axles
> > > > (pretty sure they're mosers with M+M symbol stamped on them) since
> we're
> > > > talking about it. Does anybody have a source for the no-kiddin'
> > bearings
> > > > and seals made for these axles? I'd just like some peace of mind so
I
> > stop
> > > > limping from spinning them.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> >
> >
>
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Yep, I'd really like to do the two-minute bearing pack mod myself. Thanks
for the axle upgrade info. I was really worried that I was just doing a
shotty job at the bearing install. Were you able to fit the inner seals
without pressing them up against the bearing after the upgrade?
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"habbi" <habbi@islandtelecom.com> wrote in message
news:5odTb.84275$IF6.2117723@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
> I went throuigh this with my moser 1 piece axles. They originally came
with
> sealed "green" ball bearings and after much headache trying to remove the
> axles who's bearings had seized into the axle housing I called moser and
> they had an upgrade for this axle. The new tapered roller bearings were
free
> but I had to send them the axles for machining. They had to turn a bit off
> of them for the new races to fit. They also told me to tap the axle
housing
> for grease nipples. Now I can grease my axle bearings and 10 years later
> they are still perfect.
> "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> news:bvglqd$3cu$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > Hi Bill,
> > The axle came with a sealed, ball bearing. I think it was made by
> Green.
> > Since it was sealed, you don't pack it. It might've lost its lube but
the
> > ball bearings bound on each other and, "blam", I had to change it. I
> tried
> > to get the Timken bearing but all I could find in Puerto Rico was crappy
> > "Chicago Rawhide" and a myriad of others that were wrong or couldn't fit
> the
> > inner seals. Even back here in the Florida panhandle, I could only find
> one
> > that looked like a correct, quality part. What can I say. It should be
> > easier.
> > I'd order from the internet but, until I'm positive it's the correct
> > bearing and seals, I have to see them first.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:401B1F73.ECC16C9C@***.net...
> > > If these are the semi floaters, learn to pack them with grease. A
> > > Timken bearing, is a Timken bearing, what's wrong with your local
parts
> > > store.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Drink wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to replace the wheel bearings and seals for my one-piece
> > axles
> > > > (pretty sure they're mosers with M+M symbol stamped on them) since
> we're
> > > > talking about it. Does anybody have a source for the no-kiddin'
> > bearings
> > > > and seals made for these axles? I'd just like some peace of mind so
I
> > stop
> > > > limping from spinning them.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |¯¯¯L --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)¯()_) ¯¯¯¯¯ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> >
> >
>
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