Aluminum Radiator
09-11-2003, 06:56 PM
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Re: Aluminum Radiator
On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:46:01 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> Lon Stowell wrote:
> >
> > Approximately 9/11/03 12:08, Mike Romain uttered for posterity:
> >
> > > Aluminum conducts heat slightly better than brass. The big difference
> > > is in the eye of the buyer though in my mind....
> > > ;-)
> >
> > I'll be darned, you're right, woulda thought brass would be higher
> > in thermal conductivity. However radiators are usually copper,
> > which is almost as good as silver, not brass.
> >
> > Diamond 1.28
> > Silver 0.968
> > Copper 0.928
> > Aluminum 0.520
> > Brass 0.338
> >
> > Obviously, what you need for your winch/jeep is a diamond radiator.
>
> LOL!
>
> So that is the second time you have mentioned copper rads???!!!
>
> I don't believe I have ever seen a copper rad. All the ones I have
> repaired were brass or maybe bronze (brass and copper) but I sure can't
> think of any copper colored ones.
I used to see a lot of brass caps with brass tubes and copper fins but
I don't think I've ever seen copper tubes, much less end caps and I
haven't paid much attention lately but the las brass/brass radiator I
repaired had brazed foil to the tubes,
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
wrote:
> Lon Stowell wrote:
> >
> > Approximately 9/11/03 12:08, Mike Romain uttered for posterity:
> >
> > > Aluminum conducts heat slightly better than brass. The big difference
> > > is in the eye of the buyer though in my mind....
> > > ;-)
> >
> > I'll be darned, you're right, woulda thought brass would be higher
> > in thermal conductivity. However radiators are usually copper,
> > which is almost as good as silver, not brass.
> >
> > Diamond 1.28
> > Silver 0.968
> > Copper 0.928
> > Aluminum 0.520
> > Brass 0.338
> >
> > Obviously, what you need for your winch/jeep is a diamond radiator.
>
> LOL!
>
> So that is the second time you have mentioned copper rads???!!!
>
> I don't believe I have ever seen a copper rad. All the ones I have
> repaired were brass or maybe bronze (brass and copper) but I sure can't
> think of any copper colored ones.
I used to see a lot of brass caps with brass tubes and copper fins but
I don't think I've ever seen copper tubes, much less end caps and I
haven't paid much attention lately but the las brass/brass radiator I
repaired had brazed foil to the tubes,
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
09-11-2003, 07:23 PM
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Re: Aluminum Radiator
Will Honea wrote:
>
> On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:46:01 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Lon Stowell wrote:
> > >
> > > Approximately 9/11/03 12:08, Mike Romain uttered for posterity:
> > >
> > > > Aluminum conducts heat slightly better than brass. The big difference
> > > > is in the eye of the buyer though in my mind....
> > > > ;-)
> > >
> > > I'll be darned, you're right, woulda thought brass would be higher
> > > in thermal conductivity. However radiators are usually copper,
> > > which is almost as good as silver, not brass.
> > >
> > > Diamond 1.28
> > > Silver 0.968
> > > Copper 0.928
> > > Aluminum 0.520
> > > Brass 0.338
> > >
> > > Obviously, what you need for your winch/jeep is a diamond radiator.
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > So that is the second time you have mentioned copper rads???!!!
> >
> > I don't believe I have ever seen a copper rad. All the ones I have
> > repaired were brass or maybe bronze (brass and copper) but I sure can't
> > think of any copper colored ones.
>
> I used to see a lot of brass caps with brass tubes and copper fins but
> I don't think I've ever seen copper tubes, much less end caps and I
> haven't paid much attention lately but the las brass/brass radiator I
> repaired had brazed foil to the tubes,
>
> --
For sure I have seen copper fins, but they radiate better than aluminum,
so changing them is a down grade.
I was thinking the tank and tubes when I made my comment.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:46:01 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Lon Stowell wrote:
> > >
> > > Approximately 9/11/03 12:08, Mike Romain uttered for posterity:
> > >
> > > > Aluminum conducts heat slightly better than brass. The big difference
> > > > is in the eye of the buyer though in my mind....
> > > > ;-)
> > >
> > > I'll be darned, you're right, woulda thought brass would be higher
> > > in thermal conductivity. However radiators are usually copper,
> > > which is almost as good as silver, not brass.
> > >
> > > Diamond 1.28
> > > Silver 0.968
> > > Copper 0.928
> > > Aluminum 0.520
> > > Brass 0.338
> > >
> > > Obviously, what you need for your winch/jeep is a diamond radiator.
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > So that is the second time you have mentioned copper rads???!!!
> >
> > I don't believe I have ever seen a copper rad. All the ones I have
> > repaired were brass or maybe bronze (brass and copper) but I sure can't
> > think of any copper colored ones.
>
> I used to see a lot of brass caps with brass tubes and copper fins but
> I don't think I've ever seen copper tubes, much less end caps and I
> haven't paid much attention lately but the las brass/brass radiator I
> repaired had brazed foil to the tubes,
>
> --
For sure I have seen copper fins, but they radiate better than aluminum,
so changing them is a down grade.
I was thinking the tank and tubes when I made my comment.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
09-11-2003, 07:23 PM
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Re: Aluminum Radiator
Will Honea wrote:
>
> On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:46:01 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Lon Stowell wrote:
> > >
> > > Approximately 9/11/03 12:08, Mike Romain uttered for posterity:
> > >
> > > > Aluminum conducts heat slightly better than brass. The big difference
> > > > is in the eye of the buyer though in my mind....
> > > > ;-)
> > >
> > > I'll be darned, you're right, woulda thought brass would be higher
> > > in thermal conductivity. However radiators are usually copper,
> > > which is almost as good as silver, not brass.
> > >
> > > Diamond 1.28
> > > Silver 0.968
> > > Copper 0.928
> > > Aluminum 0.520
> > > Brass 0.338
> > >
> > > Obviously, what you need for your winch/jeep is a diamond radiator.
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > So that is the second time you have mentioned copper rads???!!!
> >
> > I don't believe I have ever seen a copper rad. All the ones I have
> > repaired were brass or maybe bronze (brass and copper) but I sure can't
> > think of any copper colored ones.
>
> I used to see a lot of brass caps with brass tubes and copper fins but
> I don't think I've ever seen copper tubes, much less end caps and I
> haven't paid much attention lately but the las brass/brass radiator I
> repaired had brazed foil to the tubes,
>
> --
For sure I have seen copper fins, but they radiate better than aluminum,
so changing them is a down grade.
I was thinking the tank and tubes when I made my comment.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 19:46:01 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Lon Stowell wrote:
> > >
> > > Approximately 9/11/03 12:08, Mike Romain uttered for posterity:
> > >
> > > > Aluminum conducts heat slightly better than brass. The big difference
> > > > is in the eye of the buyer though in my mind....
> > > > ;-)
> > >
> > > I'll be darned, you're right, woulda thought brass would be higher
> > > in thermal conductivity. However radiators are usually copper,
> > > which is almost as good as silver, not brass.
> > >
> > > Diamond 1.28
> > > Silver 0.968
> > > Copper 0.928
> > > Aluminum 0.520
> > > Brass 0.338
> > >
> > > Obviously, what you need for your winch/jeep is a diamond radiator.
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > So that is the second time you have mentioned copper rads???!!!
> >
> > I don't believe I have ever seen a copper rad. All the ones I have
> > repaired were brass or maybe bronze (brass and copper) but I sure can't
> > think of any copper colored ones.
>
> I used to see a lot of brass caps with brass tubes and copper fins but
> I don't think I've ever seen copper tubes, much less end caps and I
> haven't paid much attention lately but the las brass/brass radiator I
> repaired had brazed foil to the tubes,
>
> --
For sure I have seen copper fins, but they radiate better than aluminum,
so changing them is a down grade.
I was thinking the tank and tubes when I made my comment.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
09-11-2003, 08:12 PM
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Re: Aluminum Radiator
Diamond conducts heat well??? How about that! Well, it *is* carbon. I
just never would have thought of diamond as a good heat conductor. Talk
about an expensive radiator!
"Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:q548b.417977$o%2.189777@sccrnsc02...
> Approximately 9/11/03 12:08, Mike Romain uttered for posterity:
>
> > Aluminum conducts heat slightly better than brass. The big difference
> > is in the eye of the buyer though in my mind....
> > ;-)
>
> I'll be darned, you're right, woulda thought brass would be higher
> in thermal conductivity. However radiators are usually copper,
> which is almost as good as silver, not brass.
>
> Diamond 1.28
> Silver 0.968
> Copper 0.928
> Aluminum 0.520
> Brass 0.338
>
> Obviously, what you need for your winch/jeep is a diamond radiator.
>
just never would have thought of diamond as a good heat conductor. Talk
about an expensive radiator!
"Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:q548b.417977$o%2.189777@sccrnsc02...
> Approximately 9/11/03 12:08, Mike Romain uttered for posterity:
>
> > Aluminum conducts heat slightly better than brass. The big difference
> > is in the eye of the buyer though in my mind....
> > ;-)
>
> I'll be darned, you're right, woulda thought brass would be higher
> in thermal conductivity. However radiators are usually copper,
> which is almost as good as silver, not brass.
>
> Diamond 1.28
> Silver 0.968
> Copper 0.928
> Aluminum 0.520
> Brass 0.338
>
> Obviously, what you need for your winch/jeep is a diamond radiator.
>
09-11-2003, 08:12 PM
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Re: Aluminum Radiator
Diamond conducts heat well??? How about that! Well, it *is* carbon. I
just never would have thought of diamond as a good heat conductor. Talk
about an expensive radiator!
"Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:q548b.417977$o%2.189777@sccrnsc02...
> Approximately 9/11/03 12:08, Mike Romain uttered for posterity:
>
> > Aluminum conducts heat slightly better than brass. The big difference
> > is in the eye of the buyer though in my mind....
> > ;-)
>
> I'll be darned, you're right, woulda thought brass would be higher
> in thermal conductivity. However radiators are usually copper,
> which is almost as good as silver, not brass.
>
> Diamond 1.28
> Silver 0.968
> Copper 0.928
> Aluminum 0.520
> Brass 0.338
>
> Obviously, what you need for your winch/jeep is a diamond radiator.
>
just never would have thought of diamond as a good heat conductor. Talk
about an expensive radiator!
"Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:q548b.417977$o%2.189777@sccrnsc02...
> Approximately 9/11/03 12:08, Mike Romain uttered for posterity:
>
> > Aluminum conducts heat slightly better than brass. The big difference
> > is in the eye of the buyer though in my mind....
> > ;-)
>
> I'll be darned, you're right, woulda thought brass would be higher
> in thermal conductivity. However radiators are usually copper,
> which is almost as good as silver, not brass.
>
> Diamond 1.28
> Silver 0.968
> Copper 0.928
> Aluminum 0.520
> Brass 0.338
>
> Obviously, what you need for your winch/jeep is a diamond radiator.
>
09-11-2003, 09:28 PM
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Re: Aluminum Radiator
Approximately 9/11/03 17:12, TJim uttered for posterity:
> Diamond conducts heat well??? How about that! Well, it *is* carbon. I
> just never would have thought of diamond as a good heat conductor. Talk
> about an expensive radiator!
Check with a computer chip geek, is used there for the excellent
thermal conductivity.
> Diamond conducts heat well??? How about that! Well, it *is* carbon. I
> just never would have thought of diamond as a good heat conductor. Talk
> about an expensive radiator!
Check with a computer chip geek, is used there for the excellent
thermal conductivity.
09-11-2003, 09:28 PM
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Re: Aluminum Radiator
Approximately 9/11/03 17:12, TJim uttered for posterity:
> Diamond conducts heat well??? How about that! Well, it *is* carbon. I
> just never would have thought of diamond as a good heat conductor. Talk
> about an expensive radiator!
Check with a computer chip geek, is used there for the excellent
thermal conductivity.
> Diamond conducts heat well??? How about that! Well, it *is* carbon. I
> just never would have thought of diamond as a good heat conductor. Talk
> about an expensive radiator!
Check with a computer chip geek, is used there for the excellent
thermal conductivity.
09-11-2003, 10:03 PM
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Re: Aluminum Radiator
That's why they call it ice.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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TJim wrote:
>
> Diamond conducts heat well??? How about that! Well, it *is* carbon. I
> just never would have thought of diamond as a good heat conductor. Talk
> about an expensive radiator!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
TJim wrote:
>
> Diamond conducts heat well??? How about that! Well, it *is* carbon. I
> just never would have thought of diamond as a good heat conductor. Talk
> about an expensive radiator!
09-11-2003, 10:03 PM
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Re: Aluminum Radiator
That's why they call it ice.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
TJim wrote:
>
> Diamond conducts heat well??? How about that! Well, it *is* carbon. I
> just never would have thought of diamond as a good heat conductor. Talk
> about an expensive radiator!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
TJim wrote:
>
> Diamond conducts heat well??? How about that! Well, it *is* carbon. I
> just never would have thought of diamond as a good heat conductor. Talk
> about an expensive radiator!
09-11-2003, 11:30 PM
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Re: Aluminum Radiator
Joshua Nelson wrote:
> Ok, remedial question time. What is special about aluminum?
It's lightweight, relatively inexpensive, easy to machine, weld,
extrude, and form, and an especially good heat conductor, Josh.
>Why
> would an aluminum radiator be any better than a non-aluminum radiator?
Because weight savings are a good thing. The lighter your vehicle the
less energy needed to move it, whether on flat roads, or stuck in
(guffaw) deep mud!
> Is aluminum an especially good heat conductor or something?
Why, yes, Joshua, it certainly is. Its thermal conductivity is rather
efficient. More so than steel. Do you have a piece of aluminum stock and
a sander? Sand the aluminum and grind a hell of a lot of material off.
Gets kind of hot in your hand, doesn't it?
> Ok, remedial question time. What is special about aluminum?
It's lightweight, relatively inexpensive, easy to machine, weld,
extrude, and form, and an especially good heat conductor, Josh.
>Why
> would an aluminum radiator be any better than a non-aluminum radiator?
Because weight savings are a good thing. The lighter your vehicle the
less energy needed to move it, whether on flat roads, or stuck in
(guffaw) deep mud!
> Is aluminum an especially good heat conductor or something?
Why, yes, Joshua, it certainly is. Its thermal conductivity is rather
efficient. More so than steel. Do you have a piece of aluminum stock and
a sander? Sand the aluminum and grind a hell of a lot of material off.
Gets kind of hot in your hand, doesn't it?