bowgus

And if I had ABS I'd disable it when pulling my boat/trailer ... geez ...
I'd be clicking my way through every stop sign/light I encountered.

"Patrick" <patrick@leclone.com> wrote in message
news:BukDd.59738$P%3.1995486@news20.bellglobal.com ...
> I have ABS, Im always in hurry and flooring the jeep, ABS save my *** a
few
> time from rear ending Slower driver.
> But I WOULD DISCONNECT offroad....
>
> ABS WINTER OK
> SUMMER NO
>
> My 2 cents
>
> "bowgus" <bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:cNudnd-7X5xCLEDcRVn-tQ@rogers.com...
> > Mind you ... I would not buy a vehicle with ABS that is sometimes up to
> it's
> > axles in water ... like my jeep sometimes is.
> >
> > "bowgus" <bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
> > news:OOCdnReP64p8N0HcRVn-hA@rogers.com...
> > > Dunno about a GC ... but my Subaru had 4 channel ABS and AWD. The ABS
> > simply
> > > prevents any wheel from locking when braking thus retaining full
> steering
> > > ability ... geez that was well put ... if only I could talk that good
in
> > the
> > > real world.
> > >
> > > "Jim Y." <jjy0912@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:fO1Dd.4931$Vj3.4501@newssvr17.news.prodigy.co m...
> > > > I've got a Jeep Grand Cherokee and this issue of anti-lock brakes
> > > > functionality came up with regards to the use of Part-Time 4x4 in
> snowy
> > > > weather.
> > > >
> > > > We know how Part-Time mode operates on the four wheels. Given that,
> how
> > > > does this affect a vehicle with anti-lock brakes, since ABS monitors
> the
> > > > rotation of each wheel? If all four wheels are moving at the same
> rate,
> > > > don't you lose the ability of the ABS to independently monitor each
> > > > wheel speed and brake optimally/properly on a slippery surface that
> may
> > > > NOT affect all four wheels?
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

The first time I saw the Antilock Brake System was on a mid sixties
International Harvester Travelall that worked the rear axle only as part
of their trailer package.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

bowgus wrote:
>
> And if I had ABS I'd disable it when pulling my boat/trailer ... geez ...
> I'd be clicking my way through every stop sign/light I encountered.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

The first time I saw the Antilock Brake System was on a mid sixties
International Harvester Travelall that worked the rear axle only as part
of their trailer package.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

bowgus wrote:
>
> And if I had ABS I'd disable it when pulling my boat/trailer ... geez ...
> I'd be clicking my way through every stop sign/light I encountered.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

The first time I saw the Antilock Brake System was on a mid sixties
International Harvester Travelall that worked the rear axle only as part
of their trailer package.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

bowgus wrote:
>
> And if I had ABS I'd disable it when pulling my boat/trailer ... geez ...
> I'd be clicking my way through every stop sign/light I encountered.

bowgus

That makes sense (to me) for that type of vehicle ... would prevent spinout.

OT: I have fortunately on only one occasion had to brake or else with the
boat/trailer ... all 4 jeep tires were smokin I tell ya (why I keep my
brakes/tires in good shape). Ok, I admit, trailer brakes would be the smart
thing to do ... next time for sure.

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41DF25C0.57208E96@***.net...
> The first time I saw the Antilock Brake System was on a mid sixties
> International Harvester Travelall that worked the rear axle only as part
> of their trailer package.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> bowgus wrote:
> >
> > And if I had ABS I'd disable it when pulling my boat/trailer ... geez
....
> > I'd be clicking my way through every stop sign/light I encountered.

bowgus

That makes sense (to me) for that type of vehicle ... would prevent spinout.

OT: I have fortunately on only one occasion had to brake or else with the
boat/trailer ... all 4 jeep tires were smokin I tell ya (why I keep my
brakes/tires in good shape). Ok, I admit, trailer brakes would be the smart
thing to do ... next time for sure.

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41DF25C0.57208E96@***.net...
> The first time I saw the Antilock Brake System was on a mid sixties
> International Harvester Travelall that worked the rear axle only as part
> of their trailer package.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> bowgus wrote:
> >
> > And if I had ABS I'd disable it when pulling my boat/trailer ... geez
....
> > I'd be clicking my way through every stop sign/light I encountered.

bowgus

That makes sense (to me) for that type of vehicle ... would prevent spinout.

OT: I have fortunately on only one occasion had to brake or else with the
boat/trailer ... all 4 jeep tires were smokin I tell ya (why I keep my
brakes/tires in good shape). Ok, I admit, trailer brakes would be the smart
thing to do ... next time for sure.

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41DF25C0.57208E96@***.net...
> The first time I saw the Antilock Brake System was on a mid sixties
> International Harvester Travelall that worked the rear axle only as part
> of their trailer package.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> bowgus wrote:
> >
> > And if I had ABS I'd disable it when pulling my boat/trailer ... geez
....
> > I'd be clicking my way through every stop sign/light I encountered.

Dean

Who knows why those Jeeps just kept rolling. Short of tearing them apart in the
field to test for failure we'll probably never know. When I first got my TJ I
was leery of the ABS given the problems I had with the GMC. So I carefully and
safely tested it while the Jeep was stock. Had it done anything I considered
unsafe the fuse would have been pulled in a heartbeat.

The other possibility is that Jeeps come with varying build qualities, some
good, some lemons. You could have had two lemons. If the lemon theory is what
happened it doesn't make ABS bad. It makes DC's quality control suspect. And
to suspect something as critical as a braking system scares me.

Personally I do know that all ABS systems are not created equal. My BMW had the
best system I've ever driven, the GMC was just dangerous and my TJ is someplace
in the perfectly acceptable range.

Dean


>> But they DO lock and grind to a stop. My TJ has ABS and I've never had one
>> single problem off road. Honestly has anyone complaining about Jeep's ABS ever
>> actually driven a Jeep with ABS?
>
>I have just spotted for the poor suckers.....
>
>It 'really' hurts my feelings when someone I am spotting for just calmly
>drives into the freaking tree!
>
>100% for 'sure' his front wheels were turning right up to the end!
>
>He then did the same run a second time with the relays pulled. Bingo,
>he could stop before hitting the tree and do the 3 point turn around the
>corner.
>
>He did this two different days with the same results. Same deal for
>another TJ out with us.
>
>There is one other spot where the TJ's go totally out of control and the
>spotter better be off to the side or they will get run over because
>there is no way that Jeep is stopping until it hits bottom.
>
>I can't comment as to why your aftermarket ABS doesn't work the same as
>the GM's or the stock TJ's though as you imply below.....
>
>Mike
>
>>
>> Now I have driven ABS systems that behave like some are saying Jeep system do,
>> and strangely enough they were all in GM cars and trucks. My GMC pickup truck's
>> ABS cycled quite nicely as I rolled into a slippery intersection. But that was
>> before I learned how to drive an ABS equipped car. When you are posed with a
>> situation where the ABS is cycling inappropriately (keep in mind my TJ has never
>> done this) you, . . . . . pump the brakes. duh, just like they taught you in
>> drivers ed. By definition the ABS works in slippery conditions and in off
>> roading you find your self in slippery conditions all the time. Heck that is
>> part of the fun. So if you don't know how to drive, don't blame the equipment.
>>
>> Sorry for the tough love ;-)
>> Dean
>>
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >
>> >Jerry Bransford wrote:
>> >>
>> >> According the the brochure I received with my TJ MIke, a TJ's ABS is
>> >> disabled at speeds below 5mph.
>> >>
>> >> Jerry
>> >>
>> >> Mike Romain wrote:
>> >> > In my opinion you should pull the relays when you are in 4x4 or there
>> >> > should be a switch. ABS is only good for dry pavement. See Bill's
>> >> > link... I also have seen a bunch of ABS vehicles calmly just keep on
>> >> > going totally out of control until that tree finally stops them. On the
>> >> > street in snow, that would be another vehicle or power pole.
>> >> >
>> >> > The collision fixing folks must just love ABS come winter. LOL!
>> >> >
>> >> > If you have the owners manual for your Jeep, it should warn you to stay
>> >> > off the brakes in the snow. Both my manuals state to use the gears to
>> >> > almost stop, then hit the brakes. The gears can hold you at the
>> >> > 'threshold' braking point really well with a little practice.
>> >> >
>> >> > Mike
>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> >
>> >> > "Jim Y." wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>I've got a Jeep Grand Cherokee and this issue of anti-lock brakes
>> >> >>functionality came up with regards to the use of Part-Time 4x4 in snowy
>> >> >>weather.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>We know how Part-Time mode operates on the four wheels. Given that, how
>> >> >>does this affect a vehicle with anti-lock brakes, since ABS monitors the
>> >> >>rotation of each wheel? If all four wheels are moving at the same rate,
>> >> >>don't you lose the ability of the ABS to independently monitor each
>> >> >>wheel speed and brake optimally/properly on a slippery surface that may
>> >> >>NOT affect all four wheels?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Jim
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Jerry Bransford
>> >> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> >> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> >> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Dean

Who knows why those Jeeps just kept rolling. Short of tearing them apart in the
field to test for failure we'll probably never know. When I first got my TJ I
was leery of the ABS given the problems I had with the GMC. So I carefully and
safely tested it while the Jeep was stock. Had it done anything I considered
unsafe the fuse would have been pulled in a heartbeat.

The other possibility is that Jeeps come with varying build qualities, some
good, some lemons. You could have had two lemons. If the lemon theory is what
happened it doesn't make ABS bad. It makes DC's quality control suspect. And
to suspect something as critical as a braking system scares me.

Personally I do know that all ABS systems are not created equal. My BMW had the
best system I've ever driven, the GMC was just dangerous and my TJ is someplace
in the perfectly acceptable range.

Dean


>> But they DO lock and grind to a stop. My TJ has ABS and I've never had one
>> single problem off road. Honestly has anyone complaining about Jeep's ABS ever
>> actually driven a Jeep with ABS?
>
>I have just spotted for the poor suckers.....
>
>It 'really' hurts my feelings when someone I am spotting for just calmly
>drives into the freaking tree!
>
>100% for 'sure' his front wheels were turning right up to the end!
>
>He then did the same run a second time with the relays pulled. Bingo,
>he could stop before hitting the tree and do the 3 point turn around the
>corner.
>
>He did this two different days with the same results. Same deal for
>another TJ out with us.
>
>There is one other spot where the TJ's go totally out of control and the
>spotter better be off to the side or they will get run over because
>there is no way that Jeep is stopping until it hits bottom.
>
>I can't comment as to why your aftermarket ABS doesn't work the same as
>the GM's or the stock TJ's though as you imply below.....
>
>Mike
>
>>
>> Now I have driven ABS systems that behave like some are saying Jeep system do,
>> and strangely enough they were all in GM cars and trucks. My GMC pickup truck's
>> ABS cycled quite nicely as I rolled into a slippery intersection. But that was
>> before I learned how to drive an ABS equipped car. When you are posed with a
>> situation where the ABS is cycling inappropriately (keep in mind my TJ has never
>> done this) you, . . . . . pump the brakes. duh, just like they taught you in
>> drivers ed. By definition the ABS works in slippery conditions and in off
>> roading you find your self in slippery conditions all the time. Heck that is
>> part of the fun. So if you don't know how to drive, don't blame the equipment.
>>
>> Sorry for the tough love ;-)
>> Dean
>>
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >
>> >Jerry Bransford wrote:
>> >>
>> >> According the the brochure I received with my TJ MIke, a TJ's ABS is
>> >> disabled at speeds below 5mph.
>> >>
>> >> Jerry
>> >>
>> >> Mike Romain wrote:
>> >> > In my opinion you should pull the relays when you are in 4x4 or there
>> >> > should be a switch. ABS is only good for dry pavement. See Bill's
>> >> > link... I also have seen a bunch of ABS vehicles calmly just keep on
>> >> > going totally out of control until that tree finally stops them. On the
>> >> > street in snow, that would be another vehicle or power pole.
>> >> >
>> >> > The collision fixing folks must just love ABS come winter. LOL!
>> >> >
>> >> > If you have the owners manual for your Jeep, it should warn you to stay
>> >> > off the brakes in the snow. Both my manuals state to use the gears to
>> >> > almost stop, then hit the brakes. The gears can hold you at the
>> >> > 'threshold' braking point really well with a little practice.
>> >> >
>> >> > Mike
>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> >
>> >> > "Jim Y." wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>I've got a Jeep Grand Cherokee and this issue of anti-lock brakes
>> >> >>functionality came up with regards to the use of Part-Time 4x4 in snowy
>> >> >>weather.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>We know how Part-Time mode operates on the four wheels. Given that, how
>> >> >>does this affect a vehicle with anti-lock brakes, since ABS monitors the
>> >> >>rotation of each wheel? If all four wheels are moving at the same rate,
>> >> >>don't you lose the ability of the ABS to independently monitor each
>> >> >>wheel speed and brake optimally/properly on a slippery surface that may
>> >> >>NOT affect all four wheels?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Jim
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Jerry Bransford
>> >> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> >> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> >> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Dean

Who knows why those Jeeps just kept rolling. Short of tearing them apart in the
field to test for failure we'll probably never know. When I first got my TJ I
was leery of the ABS given the problems I had with the GMC. So I carefully and
safely tested it while the Jeep was stock. Had it done anything I considered
unsafe the fuse would have been pulled in a heartbeat.

The other possibility is that Jeeps come with varying build qualities, some
good, some lemons. You could have had two lemons. If the lemon theory is what
happened it doesn't make ABS bad. It makes DC's quality control suspect. And
to suspect something as critical as a braking system scares me.

Personally I do know that all ABS systems are not created equal. My BMW had the
best system I've ever driven, the GMC was just dangerous and my TJ is someplace
in the perfectly acceptable range.

Dean


>> But they DO lock and grind to a stop. My TJ has ABS and I've never had one
>> single problem off road. Honestly has anyone complaining about Jeep's ABS ever
>> actually driven a Jeep with ABS?
>
>I have just spotted for the poor suckers.....
>
>It 'really' hurts my feelings when someone I am spotting for just calmly
>drives into the freaking tree!
>
>100% for 'sure' his front wheels were turning right up to the end!
>
>He then did the same run a second time with the relays pulled. Bingo,
>he could stop before hitting the tree and do the 3 point turn around the
>corner.
>
>He did this two different days with the same results. Same deal for
>another TJ out with us.
>
>There is one other spot where the TJ's go totally out of control and the
>spotter better be off to the side or they will get run over because
>there is no way that Jeep is stopping until it hits bottom.
>
>I can't comment as to why your aftermarket ABS doesn't work the same as
>the GM's or the stock TJ's though as you imply below.....
>
>Mike
>
>>
>> Now I have driven ABS systems that behave like some are saying Jeep system do,
>> and strangely enough they were all in GM cars and trucks. My GMC pickup truck's
>> ABS cycled quite nicely as I rolled into a slippery intersection. But that was
>> before I learned how to drive an ABS equipped car. When you are posed with a
>> situation where the ABS is cycling inappropriately (keep in mind my TJ has never
>> done this) you, . . . . . pump the brakes. duh, just like they taught you in
>> drivers ed. By definition the ABS works in slippery conditions and in off
>> roading you find your self in slippery conditions all the time. Heck that is
>> part of the fun. So if you don't know how to drive, don't blame the equipment.
>>
>> Sorry for the tough love ;-)
>> Dean
>>
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >
>> >Jerry Bransford wrote:
>> >>
>> >> According the the brochure I received with my TJ MIke, a TJ's ABS is
>> >> disabled at speeds below 5mph.
>> >>
>> >> Jerry
>> >>
>> >> Mike Romain wrote:
>> >> > In my opinion you should pull the relays when you are in 4x4 or there
>> >> > should be a switch. ABS is only good for dry pavement. See Bill's
>> >> > link... I also have seen a bunch of ABS vehicles calmly just keep on
>> >> > going totally out of control until that tree finally stops them. On the
>> >> > street in snow, that would be another vehicle or power pole.
>> >> >
>> >> > The collision fixing folks must just love ABS come winter. LOL!
>> >> >
>> >> > If you have the owners manual for your Jeep, it should warn you to stay
>> >> > off the brakes in the snow. Both my manuals state to use the gears to
>> >> > almost stop, then hit the brakes. The gears can hold you at the
>> >> > 'threshold' braking point really well with a little practice.
>> >> >
>> >> > Mike
>> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >> >
>> >> > "Jim Y." wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>I've got a Jeep Grand Cherokee and this issue of anti-lock brakes
>> >> >>functionality came up with regards to the use of Part-Time 4x4 in snowy
>> >> >>weather.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>We know how Part-Time mode operates on the four wheels. Given that, how
>> >> >>does this affect a vehicle with anti-lock brakes, since ABS monitors the
>> >> >>rotation of each wheel? If all four wheels are moving at the same rate,
>> >> >>don't you lose the ability of the ABS to independently monitor each
>> >> >>wheel speed and brake optimally/properly on a slippery surface that may
>> >> >>NOT affect all four wheels?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Jim
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Jerry Bransford
>> >> PP-ASEL N6TAY
>> >> See the Geezer Jeep at
>> >> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/