ABS vs Part-Time 4x4 ?
#31
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Re: ABS vs Part-Time 4x4 ?
That is fine except when you are doing 6+ mph and hit the brakes. The
ABS kicks in and stays on until you let off the pedal or roll to a stop.
(or tag the tree)
If the ABS magically turned off as you slowed past 5 mph, then you could
lock the brakes and stop. It sure doesn't appear to do that because the
wheels 'don't' lock.
Mike
Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> According the the brochure I received with my TJ MIke, a TJ's ABS is
> disabled at speeds below 5mph.
>
> Jerry
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > In my opinion you should pull the relays when you are in 4x4 or there
> > should be a switch. ABS is only good for dry pavement. See Bill's
> > link... I also have seen a bunch of ABS vehicles calmly just keep on
> > going totally out of control until that tree finally stops them. On the
> > street in snow, that would be another vehicle or power pole.
> >
> > The collision fixing folks must just love ABS come winter. LOL!
> >
> > If you have the owners manual for your Jeep, it should warn you to stay
> > off the brakes in the snow. Both my manuals state to use the gears to
> > almost stop, then hit the brakes. The gears can hold you at the
> > 'threshold' braking point really well with a little practice.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > "Jim Y." wrote:
> >
> >>I've got a Jeep Grand Cherokee and this issue of anti-lock brakes
> >>functionality came up with regards to the use of Part-Time 4x4 in snowy
> >>weather.
> >>
> >>We know how Part-Time mode operates on the four wheels. Given that, how
> >>does this affect a vehicle with anti-lock brakes, since ABS monitors the
> >>rotation of each wheel? If all four wheels are moving at the same rate,
> >>don't you lose the ability of the ABS to independently monitor each
> >>wheel speed and brake optimally/properly on a slippery surface that may
> >>NOT affect all four wheels?
> >>
> >>Jim
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
ABS kicks in and stays on until you let off the pedal or roll to a stop.
(or tag the tree)
If the ABS magically turned off as you slowed past 5 mph, then you could
lock the brakes and stop. It sure doesn't appear to do that because the
wheels 'don't' lock.
Mike
Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> According the the brochure I received with my TJ MIke, a TJ's ABS is
> disabled at speeds below 5mph.
>
> Jerry
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> > In my opinion you should pull the relays when you are in 4x4 or there
> > should be a switch. ABS is only good for dry pavement. See Bill's
> > link... I also have seen a bunch of ABS vehicles calmly just keep on
> > going totally out of control until that tree finally stops them. On the
> > street in snow, that would be another vehicle or power pole.
> >
> > The collision fixing folks must just love ABS come winter. LOL!
> >
> > If you have the owners manual for your Jeep, it should warn you to stay
> > off the brakes in the snow. Both my manuals state to use the gears to
> > almost stop, then hit the brakes. The gears can hold you at the
> > 'threshold' braking point really well with a little practice.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > "Jim Y." wrote:
> >
> >>I've got a Jeep Grand Cherokee and this issue of anti-lock brakes
> >>functionality came up with regards to the use of Part-Time 4x4 in snowy
> >>weather.
> >>
> >>We know how Part-Time mode operates on the four wheels. Given that, how
> >>does this affect a vehicle with anti-lock brakes, since ABS monitors the
> >>rotation of each wheel? If all four wheels are moving at the same rate,
> >>don't you lose the ability of the ABS to independently monitor each
> >>wheel speed and brake optimally/properly on a slippery surface that may
> >>NOT affect all four wheels?
> >>
> >>Jim
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
#32
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Re: ABS vs Part-Time 4x4 ?
As people that cruise right through stop signs may attest.
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Mike Romain wrote:
>
> That is fine except when you are doing 6+ mph and hit the brakes. The
> ABS kicks in and stays on until you let off the pedal or roll to a stop.
> (or tag the tree)
>
> If the ABS magically turned off as you slowed past 5 mph, then you could
> lock the brakes and stop. It sure doesn't appear to do that because the
> wheels 'don't' lock.
>
> Mike
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> That is fine except when you are doing 6+ mph and hit the brakes. The
> ABS kicks in and stays on until you let off the pedal or roll to a stop.
> (or tag the tree)
>
> If the ABS magically turned off as you slowed past 5 mph, then you could
> lock the brakes and stop. It sure doesn't appear to do that because the
> wheels 'don't' lock.
>
> Mike
#33
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Re: ABS vs Part-Time 4x4 ?
As people that cruise right through stop signs may attest.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> That is fine except when you are doing 6+ mph and hit the brakes. The
> ABS kicks in and stays on until you let off the pedal or roll to a stop.
> (or tag the tree)
>
> If the ABS magically turned off as you slowed past 5 mph, then you could
> lock the brakes and stop. It sure doesn't appear to do that because the
> wheels 'don't' lock.
>
> Mike
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> That is fine except when you are doing 6+ mph and hit the brakes. The
> ABS kicks in and stays on until you let off the pedal or roll to a stop.
> (or tag the tree)
>
> If the ABS magically turned off as you slowed past 5 mph, then you could
> lock the brakes and stop. It sure doesn't appear to do that because the
> wheels 'don't' lock.
>
> Mike
#34
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Re: ABS vs Part-Time 4x4 ?
As people that cruise right through stop signs may attest.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> That is fine except when you are doing 6+ mph and hit the brakes. The
> ABS kicks in and stays on until you let off the pedal or roll to a stop.
> (or tag the tree)
>
> If the ABS magically turned off as you slowed past 5 mph, then you could
> lock the brakes and stop. It sure doesn't appear to do that because the
> wheels 'don't' lock.
>
> Mike
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> That is fine except when you are doing 6+ mph and hit the brakes. The
> ABS kicks in and stays on until you let off the pedal or roll to a stop.
> (or tag the tree)
>
> If the ABS magically turned off as you slowed past 5 mph, then you could
> lock the brakes and stop. It sure doesn't appear to do that because the
> wheels 'don't' lock.
>
> Mike
#35
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Re: ABS vs Part-Time 4x4 ?
Mind you ... I would not buy a vehicle with ABS that is sometimes up to it's
axles in water ... like my jeep sometimes is.
"bowgus" <bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:OOCdnReP64p8N0HcRVn-hA@rogers.com...
> Dunno about a GC ... but my Subaru had 4 channel ABS and AWD. The ABS
simply
> prevents any wheel from locking when braking thus retaining full steering
> ability ... geez that was well put ... if only I could talk that good in
the
> real world.
>
> "Jim Y." <jjy0912@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fO1Dd.4931$Vj3.4501@newssvr17.news.prodigy.co m...
> > I've got a Jeep Grand Cherokee and this issue of anti-lock brakes
> > functionality came up with regards to the use of Part-Time 4x4 in snowy
> > weather.
> >
> > We know how Part-Time mode operates on the four wheels. Given that, how
> > does this affect a vehicle with anti-lock brakes, since ABS monitors the
> > rotation of each wheel? If all four wheels are moving at the same rate,
> > don't you lose the ability of the ABS to independently monitor each
> > wheel speed and brake optimally/properly on a slippery surface that may
> > NOT affect all four wheels?
> >
> > Jim
> >
>
>
axles in water ... like my jeep sometimes is.
"bowgus" <bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:OOCdnReP64p8N0HcRVn-hA@rogers.com...
> Dunno about a GC ... but my Subaru had 4 channel ABS and AWD. The ABS
simply
> prevents any wheel from locking when braking thus retaining full steering
> ability ... geez that was well put ... if only I could talk that good in
the
> real world.
>
> "Jim Y." <jjy0912@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fO1Dd.4931$Vj3.4501@newssvr17.news.prodigy.co m...
> > I've got a Jeep Grand Cherokee and this issue of anti-lock brakes
> > functionality came up with regards to the use of Part-Time 4x4 in snowy
> > weather.
> >
> > We know how Part-Time mode operates on the four wheels. Given that, how
> > does this affect a vehicle with anti-lock brakes, since ABS monitors the
> > rotation of each wheel? If all four wheels are moving at the same rate,
> > don't you lose the ability of the ABS to independently monitor each
> > wheel speed and brake optimally/properly on a slippery surface that may
> > NOT affect all four wheels?
> >
> > Jim
> >
>
>
#36
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Re: ABS vs Part-Time 4x4 ?
Mind you ... I would not buy a vehicle with ABS that is sometimes up to it's
axles in water ... like my jeep sometimes is.
"bowgus" <bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:OOCdnReP64p8N0HcRVn-hA@rogers.com...
> Dunno about a GC ... but my Subaru had 4 channel ABS and AWD. The ABS
simply
> prevents any wheel from locking when braking thus retaining full steering
> ability ... geez that was well put ... if only I could talk that good in
the
> real world.
>
> "Jim Y." <jjy0912@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fO1Dd.4931$Vj3.4501@newssvr17.news.prodigy.co m...
> > I've got a Jeep Grand Cherokee and this issue of anti-lock brakes
> > functionality came up with regards to the use of Part-Time 4x4 in snowy
> > weather.
> >
> > We know how Part-Time mode operates on the four wheels. Given that, how
> > does this affect a vehicle with anti-lock brakes, since ABS monitors the
> > rotation of each wheel? If all four wheels are moving at the same rate,
> > don't you lose the ability of the ABS to independently monitor each
> > wheel speed and brake optimally/properly on a slippery surface that may
> > NOT affect all four wheels?
> >
> > Jim
> >
>
>
axles in water ... like my jeep sometimes is.
"bowgus" <bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:OOCdnReP64p8N0HcRVn-hA@rogers.com...
> Dunno about a GC ... but my Subaru had 4 channel ABS and AWD. The ABS
simply
> prevents any wheel from locking when braking thus retaining full steering
> ability ... geez that was well put ... if only I could talk that good in
the
> real world.
>
> "Jim Y." <jjy0912@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fO1Dd.4931$Vj3.4501@newssvr17.news.prodigy.co m...
> > I've got a Jeep Grand Cherokee and this issue of anti-lock brakes
> > functionality came up with regards to the use of Part-Time 4x4 in snowy
> > weather.
> >
> > We know how Part-Time mode operates on the four wheels. Given that, how
> > does this affect a vehicle with anti-lock brakes, since ABS monitors the
> > rotation of each wheel? If all four wheels are moving at the same rate,
> > don't you lose the ability of the ABS to independently monitor each
> > wheel speed and brake optimally/properly on a slippery surface that may
> > NOT affect all four wheels?
> >
> > Jim
> >
>
>
#37
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Re: ABS vs Part-Time 4x4 ?
Mind you ... I would not buy a vehicle with ABS that is sometimes up to it's
axles in water ... like my jeep sometimes is.
"bowgus" <bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:OOCdnReP64p8N0HcRVn-hA@rogers.com...
> Dunno about a GC ... but my Subaru had 4 channel ABS and AWD. The ABS
simply
> prevents any wheel from locking when braking thus retaining full steering
> ability ... geez that was well put ... if only I could talk that good in
the
> real world.
>
> "Jim Y." <jjy0912@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fO1Dd.4931$Vj3.4501@newssvr17.news.prodigy.co m...
> > I've got a Jeep Grand Cherokee and this issue of anti-lock brakes
> > functionality came up with regards to the use of Part-Time 4x4 in snowy
> > weather.
> >
> > We know how Part-Time mode operates on the four wheels. Given that, how
> > does this affect a vehicle with anti-lock brakes, since ABS monitors the
> > rotation of each wheel? If all four wheels are moving at the same rate,
> > don't you lose the ability of the ABS to independently monitor each
> > wheel speed and brake optimally/properly on a slippery surface that may
> > NOT affect all four wheels?
> >
> > Jim
> >
>
>
axles in water ... like my jeep sometimes is.
"bowgus" <bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:OOCdnReP64p8N0HcRVn-hA@rogers.com...
> Dunno about a GC ... but my Subaru had 4 channel ABS and AWD. The ABS
simply
> prevents any wheel from locking when braking thus retaining full steering
> ability ... geez that was well put ... if only I could talk that good in
the
> real world.
>
> "Jim Y." <jjy0912@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fO1Dd.4931$Vj3.4501@newssvr17.news.prodigy.co m...
> > I've got a Jeep Grand Cherokee and this issue of anti-lock brakes
> > functionality came up with regards to the use of Part-Time 4x4 in snowy
> > weather.
> >
> > We know how Part-Time mode operates on the four wheels. Given that, how
> > does this affect a vehicle with anti-lock brakes, since ABS monitors the
> > rotation of each wheel? If all four wheels are moving at the same rate,
> > don't you lose the ability of the ABS to independently monitor each
> > wheel speed and brake optimally/properly on a slippery surface that may
> > NOT affect all four wheels?
> >
> > Jim
> >
>
>
#38
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Re: ABS vs Part-Time 4x4 ?
I have ABS, Im always in hurry and flooring the jeep, ABS save my *** a few
time from rear ending Slower driver.
But I WOULD DISCONNECT offroad....
ABS WINTER OK
SUMMER NO
My 2 cents
"bowgus" <bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:cNudnd-7X5xCLEDcRVn-tQ@rogers.com...
> Mind you ... I would not buy a vehicle with ABS that is sometimes up to
it's
> axles in water ... like my jeep sometimes is.
>
> "bowgus" <bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:OOCdnReP64p8N0HcRVn-hA@rogers.com...
> > Dunno about a GC ... but my Subaru had 4 channel ABS and AWD. The ABS
> simply
> > prevents any wheel from locking when braking thus retaining full
steering
> > ability ... geez that was well put ... if only I could talk that good in
> the
> > real world.
> >
> > "Jim Y." <jjy0912@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:fO1Dd.4931$Vj3.4501@newssvr17.news.prodigy.co m...
> > > I've got a Jeep Grand Cherokee and this issue of anti-lock brakes
> > > functionality came up with regards to the use of Part-Time 4x4 in
snowy
> > > weather.
> > >
> > > We know how Part-Time mode operates on the four wheels. Given that,
how
> > > does this affect a vehicle with anti-lock brakes, since ABS monitors
the
> > > rotation of each wheel? If all four wheels are moving at the same
rate,
> > > don't you lose the ability of the ABS to independently monitor each
> > > wheel speed and brake optimally/properly on a slippery surface that
may
> > > NOT affect all four wheels?
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
time from rear ending Slower driver.
But I WOULD DISCONNECT offroad....
ABS WINTER OK
SUMMER NO
My 2 cents
"bowgus" <bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:cNudnd-7X5xCLEDcRVn-tQ@rogers.com...
> Mind you ... I would not buy a vehicle with ABS that is sometimes up to
it's
> axles in water ... like my jeep sometimes is.
>
> "bowgus" <bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:OOCdnReP64p8N0HcRVn-hA@rogers.com...
> > Dunno about a GC ... but my Subaru had 4 channel ABS and AWD. The ABS
> simply
> > prevents any wheel from locking when braking thus retaining full
steering
> > ability ... geez that was well put ... if only I could talk that good in
> the
> > real world.
> >
> > "Jim Y." <jjy0912@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:fO1Dd.4931$Vj3.4501@newssvr17.news.prodigy.co m...
> > > I've got a Jeep Grand Cherokee and this issue of anti-lock brakes
> > > functionality came up with regards to the use of Part-Time 4x4 in
snowy
> > > weather.
> > >
> > > We know how Part-Time mode operates on the four wheels. Given that,
how
> > > does this affect a vehicle with anti-lock brakes, since ABS monitors
the
> > > rotation of each wheel? If all four wheels are moving at the same
rate,
> > > don't you lose the ability of the ABS to independently monitor each
> > > wheel speed and brake optimally/properly on a slippery surface that
may
> > > NOT affect all four wheels?
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
#39
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Posts: n/a
Re: ABS vs Part-Time 4x4 ?
I have ABS, Im always in hurry and flooring the jeep, ABS save my *** a few
time from rear ending Slower driver.
But I WOULD DISCONNECT offroad....
ABS WINTER OK
SUMMER NO
My 2 cents
"bowgus" <bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:cNudnd-7X5xCLEDcRVn-tQ@rogers.com...
> Mind you ... I would not buy a vehicle with ABS that is sometimes up to
it's
> axles in water ... like my jeep sometimes is.
>
> "bowgus" <bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:OOCdnReP64p8N0HcRVn-hA@rogers.com...
> > Dunno about a GC ... but my Subaru had 4 channel ABS and AWD. The ABS
> simply
> > prevents any wheel from locking when braking thus retaining full
steering
> > ability ... geez that was well put ... if only I could talk that good in
> the
> > real world.
> >
> > "Jim Y." <jjy0912@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:fO1Dd.4931$Vj3.4501@newssvr17.news.prodigy.co m...
> > > I've got a Jeep Grand Cherokee and this issue of anti-lock brakes
> > > functionality came up with regards to the use of Part-Time 4x4 in
snowy
> > > weather.
> > >
> > > We know how Part-Time mode operates on the four wheels. Given that,
how
> > > does this affect a vehicle with anti-lock brakes, since ABS monitors
the
> > > rotation of each wheel? If all four wheels are moving at the same
rate,
> > > don't you lose the ability of the ABS to independently monitor each
> > > wheel speed and brake optimally/properly on a slippery surface that
may
> > > NOT affect all four wheels?
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
time from rear ending Slower driver.
But I WOULD DISCONNECT offroad....
ABS WINTER OK
SUMMER NO
My 2 cents
"bowgus" <bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:cNudnd-7X5xCLEDcRVn-tQ@rogers.com...
> Mind you ... I would not buy a vehicle with ABS that is sometimes up to
it's
> axles in water ... like my jeep sometimes is.
>
> "bowgus" <bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:OOCdnReP64p8N0HcRVn-hA@rogers.com...
> > Dunno about a GC ... but my Subaru had 4 channel ABS and AWD. The ABS
> simply
> > prevents any wheel from locking when braking thus retaining full
steering
> > ability ... geez that was well put ... if only I could talk that good in
> the
> > real world.
> >
> > "Jim Y." <jjy0912@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:fO1Dd.4931$Vj3.4501@newssvr17.news.prodigy.co m...
> > > I've got a Jeep Grand Cherokee and this issue of anti-lock brakes
> > > functionality came up with regards to the use of Part-Time 4x4 in
snowy
> > > weather.
> > >
> > > We know how Part-Time mode operates on the four wheels. Given that,
how
> > > does this affect a vehicle with anti-lock brakes, since ABS monitors
the
> > > rotation of each wheel? If all four wheels are moving at the same
rate,
> > > don't you lose the ability of the ABS to independently monitor each
> > > wheel speed and brake optimally/properly on a slippery surface that
may
> > > NOT affect all four wheels?
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
#40
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Posts: n/a
Re: ABS vs Part-Time 4x4 ?
I have ABS, Im always in hurry and flooring the jeep, ABS save my *** a few
time from rear ending Slower driver.
But I WOULD DISCONNECT offroad....
ABS WINTER OK
SUMMER NO
My 2 cents
"bowgus" <bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:cNudnd-7X5xCLEDcRVn-tQ@rogers.com...
> Mind you ... I would not buy a vehicle with ABS that is sometimes up to
it's
> axles in water ... like my jeep sometimes is.
>
> "bowgus" <bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:OOCdnReP64p8N0HcRVn-hA@rogers.com...
> > Dunno about a GC ... but my Subaru had 4 channel ABS and AWD. The ABS
> simply
> > prevents any wheel from locking when braking thus retaining full
steering
> > ability ... geez that was well put ... if only I could talk that good in
> the
> > real world.
> >
> > "Jim Y." <jjy0912@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:fO1Dd.4931$Vj3.4501@newssvr17.news.prodigy.co m...
> > > I've got a Jeep Grand Cherokee and this issue of anti-lock brakes
> > > functionality came up with regards to the use of Part-Time 4x4 in
snowy
> > > weather.
> > >
> > > We know how Part-Time mode operates on the four wheels. Given that,
how
> > > does this affect a vehicle with anti-lock brakes, since ABS monitors
the
> > > rotation of each wheel? If all four wheels are moving at the same
rate,
> > > don't you lose the ability of the ABS to independently monitor each
> > > wheel speed and brake optimally/properly on a slippery surface that
may
> > > NOT affect all four wheels?
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
time from rear ending Slower driver.
But I WOULD DISCONNECT offroad....
ABS WINTER OK
SUMMER NO
My 2 cents
"bowgus" <bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:cNudnd-7X5xCLEDcRVn-tQ@rogers.com...
> Mind you ... I would not buy a vehicle with ABS that is sometimes up to
it's
> axles in water ... like my jeep sometimes is.
>
> "bowgus" <bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:OOCdnReP64p8N0HcRVn-hA@rogers.com...
> > Dunno about a GC ... but my Subaru had 4 channel ABS and AWD. The ABS
> simply
> > prevents any wheel from locking when braking thus retaining full
steering
> > ability ... geez that was well put ... if only I could talk that good in
> the
> > real world.
> >
> > "Jim Y." <jjy0912@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:fO1Dd.4931$Vj3.4501@newssvr17.news.prodigy.co m...
> > > I've got a Jeep Grand Cherokee and this issue of anti-lock brakes
> > > functionality came up with regards to the use of Part-Time 4x4 in
snowy
> > > weather.
> > >
> > > We know how Part-Time mode operates on the four wheels. Given that,
how
> > > does this affect a vehicle with anti-lock brakes, since ABS monitors
the
> > > rotation of each wheel? If all four wheels are moving at the same
rate,
> > > don't you lose the ability of the ABS to independently monitor each
> > > wheel speed and brake optimally/properly on a slippery surface that
may
> > > NOT affect all four wheels?
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> >
> >
>
>