ABS disabled on XJ
02-04-2007, 01:49 PM
#41
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Re: ABS disabled on XJ
Bullcrap. First most folks don't know how to use ABS, and the result is
that vehicle with ABS, due to driver stupidity, have a slightly worse
accident rate than vehicles without it. A small contribution to that
statistic is drivers who believe ABS overrules the laws of physics and
think ABS will stop you instantly. [Both of these are easily
researched at dot and sae]
Second, on some surfaces ABS cannot stop as fast as wedging without ABS.
Those surfaces are where jeeps tend to go.
philthy proclaimed:
> a vehicle with working abs is far safer to drive than one without
>
> Ivan Jager wrote:
>
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it has
>>ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
>>manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
>>appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything bad
>>to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
>>removed the fuse?
>>
>>On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
>>experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
>>There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
>>chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
>>stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
>>pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
>>handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But I
>>thought it's worth asking.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ivan
>
>
that vehicle with ABS, due to driver stupidity, have a slightly worse
accident rate than vehicles without it. A small contribution to that
statistic is drivers who believe ABS overrules the laws of physics and
think ABS will stop you instantly. [Both of these are easily
researched at dot and sae]
Second, on some surfaces ABS cannot stop as fast as wedging without ABS.
Those surfaces are where jeeps tend to go.
philthy proclaimed:
> a vehicle with working abs is far safer to drive than one without
>
> Ivan Jager wrote:
>
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>In December, I bought a '98 XJ 4.0L. The guy who sold it to me said it has
>>ABS, and the brake fluid reservoir looks like the ones in the Haynes
>>manual for cars with ABS. The problem seems to be in the fusebox. It
>>appears someone has taken out the fuse for ABS. Could I cause anything bad
>>to happen by replacing the fuse? Is there any reason someone would have
>>removed the fuse?
>>
>>On a somewhat related note, do I want ABS on a Jeep? I have plenty of
>>experience driving without ABS, but only a few winters in cold weather.
>>There hasn't been much snow in Pittsburgh this winter, but I got a few
>>chances to test the Jeep on lightly packed or freshly fallen snow and it
>>stops remarkably well. (At first I thought they had gotten rid of the
>>pulsing feeling in ABS.) I suspect I do want ABS if only because it can
>>handle cases where the traction is different on the right and left. But I
>>thought it's worth asking.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ivan
>
>
02-04-2007, 05:55 PM
#42
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Re: ABS disabled on XJ
Lon wrote:
> Bullcrap. First most folks don't know how to use ABS, and the result
> is that vehicle with ABS, due to driver stupidity, have a slightly
> worse accident rate than vehicles without it. A small contribution
> to that statistic is drivers who believe ABS overrules the laws of
> physics and think ABS will stop you instantly. [Both of these are
> easily researched at dot and sae]
>
> Second, on some surfaces ABS cannot stop as fast as wedging without
> ABS. Those surfaces are where jeeps tend to go.
ABS can also cause a "run away" situation on downhill. Nearly bit it
on a steep downhill dirt trail when the brakes refused to brake. After
that experience I always take the fuse out. Eventually I want to put
in a bypass switch inside the cab. Now ABS is great on ice and on
wet pavement. Providing you know it's so you can steer around the
problem.
--
DougW
> Bullcrap. First most folks don't know how to use ABS, and the result
> is that vehicle with ABS, due to driver stupidity, have a slightly
> worse accident rate than vehicles without it. A small contribution
> to that statistic is drivers who believe ABS overrules the laws of
> physics and think ABS will stop you instantly. [Both of these are
> easily researched at dot and sae]
>
> Second, on some surfaces ABS cannot stop as fast as wedging without
> ABS. Those surfaces are where jeeps tend to go.
ABS can also cause a "run away" situation on downhill. Nearly bit it
on a steep downhill dirt trail when the brakes refused to brake. After
that experience I always take the fuse out. Eventually I want to put
in a bypass switch inside the cab. Now ABS is great on ice and on
wet pavement. Providing you know it's so you can steer around the
problem.
--
DougW
02-04-2007, 05:55 PM
#43
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Re: ABS disabled on XJ
Lon wrote:
> Bullcrap. First most folks don't know how to use ABS, and the result
> is that vehicle with ABS, due to driver stupidity, have a slightly
> worse accident rate than vehicles without it. A small contribution
> to that statistic is drivers who believe ABS overrules the laws of
> physics and think ABS will stop you instantly. [Both of these are
> easily researched at dot and sae]
>
> Second, on some surfaces ABS cannot stop as fast as wedging without
> ABS. Those surfaces are where jeeps tend to go.
ABS can also cause a "run away" situation on downhill. Nearly bit it
on a steep downhill dirt trail when the brakes refused to brake. After
that experience I always take the fuse out. Eventually I want to put
in a bypass switch inside the cab. Now ABS is great on ice and on
wet pavement. Providing you know it's so you can steer around the
problem.
--
DougW
> Bullcrap. First most folks don't know how to use ABS, and the result
> is that vehicle with ABS, due to driver stupidity, have a slightly
> worse accident rate than vehicles without it. A small contribution
> to that statistic is drivers who believe ABS overrules the laws of
> physics and think ABS will stop you instantly. [Both of these are
> easily researched at dot and sae]
>
> Second, on some surfaces ABS cannot stop as fast as wedging without
> ABS. Those surfaces are where jeeps tend to go.
ABS can also cause a "run away" situation on downhill. Nearly bit it
on a steep downhill dirt trail when the brakes refused to brake. After
that experience I always take the fuse out. Eventually I want to put
in a bypass switch inside the cab. Now ABS is great on ice and on
wet pavement. Providing you know it's so you can steer around the
problem.
--
DougW
02-04-2007, 05:55 PM
#44
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Re: ABS disabled on XJ
Lon wrote:
> Bullcrap. First most folks don't know how to use ABS, and the result
> is that vehicle with ABS, due to driver stupidity, have a slightly
> worse accident rate than vehicles without it. A small contribution
> to that statistic is drivers who believe ABS overrules the laws of
> physics and think ABS will stop you instantly. [Both of these are
> easily researched at dot and sae]
>
> Second, on some surfaces ABS cannot stop as fast as wedging without
> ABS. Those surfaces are where jeeps tend to go.
ABS can also cause a "run away" situation on downhill. Nearly bit it
on a steep downhill dirt trail when the brakes refused to brake. After
that experience I always take the fuse out. Eventually I want to put
in a bypass switch inside the cab. Now ABS is great on ice and on
wet pavement. Providing you know it's so you can steer around the
problem.
--
DougW
> Bullcrap. First most folks don't know how to use ABS, and the result
> is that vehicle with ABS, due to driver stupidity, have a slightly
> worse accident rate than vehicles without it. A small contribution
> to that statistic is drivers who believe ABS overrules the laws of
> physics and think ABS will stop you instantly. [Both of these are
> easily researched at dot and sae]
>
> Second, on some surfaces ABS cannot stop as fast as wedging without
> ABS. Those surfaces are where jeeps tend to go.
ABS can also cause a "run away" situation on downhill. Nearly bit it
on a steep downhill dirt trail when the brakes refused to brake. After
that experience I always take the fuse out. Eventually I want to put
in a bypass switch inside the cab. Now ABS is great on ice and on
wet pavement. Providing you know it's so you can steer around the
problem.
--
DougW
02-04-2007, 05:55 PM
#45
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Re: ABS disabled on XJ
Lon wrote:
> Bullcrap. First most folks don't know how to use ABS, and the result
> is that vehicle with ABS, due to driver stupidity, have a slightly
> worse accident rate than vehicles without it. A small contribution
> to that statistic is drivers who believe ABS overrules the laws of
> physics and think ABS will stop you instantly. [Both of these are
> easily researched at dot and sae]
>
> Second, on some surfaces ABS cannot stop as fast as wedging without
> ABS. Those surfaces are where jeeps tend to go.
ABS can also cause a "run away" situation on downhill. Nearly bit it
on a steep downhill dirt trail when the brakes refused to brake. After
that experience I always take the fuse out. Eventually I want to put
in a bypass switch inside the cab. Now ABS is great on ice and on
wet pavement. Providing you know it's so you can steer around the
problem.
--
DougW
> Bullcrap. First most folks don't know how to use ABS, and the result
> is that vehicle with ABS, due to driver stupidity, have a slightly
> worse accident rate than vehicles without it. A small contribution
> to that statistic is drivers who believe ABS overrules the laws of
> physics and think ABS will stop you instantly. [Both of these are
> easily researched at dot and sae]
>
> Second, on some surfaces ABS cannot stop as fast as wedging without
> ABS. Those surfaces are where jeeps tend to go.
ABS can also cause a "run away" situation on downhill. Nearly bit it
on a steep downhill dirt trail when the brakes refused to brake. After
that experience I always take the fuse out. Eventually I want to put
in a bypass switch inside the cab. Now ABS is great on ice and on
wet pavement. Providing you know it's so you can steer around the
problem.
--
DougW
02-04-2007, 10:27 PM
#46
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Re: ABS disabled on XJ
Hi Earle,
I wonder how many follow their maintenance guide and flush their brake
fluid at sixty thousand: http://www.----------.com/WJLubeSchedule.jpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
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"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
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> Do you have any statistics or even anecdotal evidence to back that up, or
is
> it just something you pulled out of your butt and blind allegiance to
> industry propaganda? I have driven a few hundred thousand trouble-free
and
> accident-free miles without ABS. If I could be even safer than I am now,
> wow, that would be real safe.
>
> Ivan, plug in the fuse and see what happens. With a vehicle this old, it
> wouldn't hurt to flush the brake fluid and do a visual inspection of brake
> lines, pads, shoes, sensors, sensor wires, etc. Maybe the previous owner
> used the vehicle on gravel roads or did some off roading, and just forgot
to
> plug the fuse back in one time.
>
> Earle
I wonder how many follow their maintenance guide and flush their brake
fluid at sixty thousand: http://www.----------.com/WJLubeSchedule.jpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:--------------------
"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:45c5fc2c$0$21713$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Do you have any statistics or even anecdotal evidence to back that up, or
is
> it just something you pulled out of your butt and blind allegiance to
> industry propaganda? I have driven a few hundred thousand trouble-free
and
> accident-free miles without ABS. If I could be even safer than I am now,
> wow, that would be real safe.
>
> Ivan, plug in the fuse and see what happens. With a vehicle this old, it
> wouldn't hurt to flush the brake fluid and do a visual inspection of brake
> lines, pads, shoes, sensors, sensor wires, etc. Maybe the previous owner
> used the vehicle on gravel roads or did some off roading, and just forgot
to
> plug the fuse back in one time.
>
> Earle
02-04-2007, 10:27 PM
#47
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Re: ABS disabled on XJ
Hi Earle,
I wonder how many follow their maintenance guide and flush their brake
fluid at sixty thousand: http://www.----------.com/WJLubeSchedule.jpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:--------------------
"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:45c5fc2c$0$21713$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Do you have any statistics or even anecdotal evidence to back that up, or
is
> it just something you pulled out of your butt and blind allegiance to
> industry propaganda? I have driven a few hundred thousand trouble-free
and
> accident-free miles without ABS. If I could be even safer than I am now,
> wow, that would be real safe.
>
> Ivan, plug in the fuse and see what happens. With a vehicle this old, it
> wouldn't hurt to flush the brake fluid and do a visual inspection of brake
> lines, pads, shoes, sensors, sensor wires, etc. Maybe the previous owner
> used the vehicle on gravel roads or did some off roading, and just forgot
to
> plug the fuse back in one time.
>
> Earle
I wonder how many follow their maintenance guide and flush their brake
fluid at sixty thousand: http://www.----------.com/WJLubeSchedule.jpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:--------------------
"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:45c5fc2c$0$21713$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Do you have any statistics or even anecdotal evidence to back that up, or
is
> it just something you pulled out of your butt and blind allegiance to
> industry propaganda? I have driven a few hundred thousand trouble-free
and
> accident-free miles without ABS. If I could be even safer than I am now,
> wow, that would be real safe.
>
> Ivan, plug in the fuse and see what happens. With a vehicle this old, it
> wouldn't hurt to flush the brake fluid and do a visual inspection of brake
> lines, pads, shoes, sensors, sensor wires, etc. Maybe the previous owner
> used the vehicle on gravel roads or did some off roading, and just forgot
to
> plug the fuse back in one time.
>
> Earle
02-04-2007, 10:27 PM
#48
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Posts: n/a
Re: ABS disabled on XJ
Hi Earle,
I wonder how many follow their maintenance guide and flush their brake
fluid at sixty thousand: http://www.----------.com/WJLubeSchedule.jpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:--------------------
"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:45c5fc2c$0$21713$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Do you have any statistics or even anecdotal evidence to back that up, or
is
> it just something you pulled out of your butt and blind allegiance to
> industry propaganda? I have driven a few hundred thousand trouble-free
and
> accident-free miles without ABS. If I could be even safer than I am now,
> wow, that would be real safe.
>
> Ivan, plug in the fuse and see what happens. With a vehicle this old, it
> wouldn't hurt to flush the brake fluid and do a visual inspection of brake
> lines, pads, shoes, sensors, sensor wires, etc. Maybe the previous owner
> used the vehicle on gravel roads or did some off roading, and just forgot
to
> plug the fuse back in one time.
>
> Earle
I wonder how many follow their maintenance guide and flush their brake
fluid at sixty thousand: http://www.----------.com/WJLubeSchedule.jpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:--------------------
"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:45c5fc2c$0$21713$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Do you have any statistics or even anecdotal evidence to back that up, or
is
> it just something you pulled out of your butt and blind allegiance to
> industry propaganda? I have driven a few hundred thousand trouble-free
and
> accident-free miles without ABS. If I could be even safer than I am now,
> wow, that would be real safe.
>
> Ivan, plug in the fuse and see what happens. With a vehicle this old, it
> wouldn't hurt to flush the brake fluid and do a visual inspection of brake
> lines, pads, shoes, sensors, sensor wires, etc. Maybe the previous owner
> used the vehicle on gravel roads or did some off roading, and just forgot
to
> plug the fuse back in one time.
>
> Earle
02-04-2007, 10:27 PM
#49
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: ABS disabled on XJ
Hi Earle,
I wonder how many follow their maintenance guide and flush their brake
fluid at sixty thousand: http://www.----------.com/WJLubeSchedule.jpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:--------------------
"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:45c5fc2c$0$21713$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Do you have any statistics or even anecdotal evidence to back that up, or
is
> it just something you pulled out of your butt and blind allegiance to
> industry propaganda? I have driven a few hundred thousand trouble-free
and
> accident-free miles without ABS. If I could be even safer than I am now,
> wow, that would be real safe.
>
> Ivan, plug in the fuse and see what happens. With a vehicle this old, it
> wouldn't hurt to flush the brake fluid and do a visual inspection of brake
> lines, pads, shoes, sensors, sensor wires, etc. Maybe the previous owner
> used the vehicle on gravel roads or did some off roading, and just forgot
to
> plug the fuse back in one time.
>
> Earle
I wonder how many follow their maintenance guide and flush their brake
fluid at sixty thousand: http://www.----------.com/WJLubeSchedule.jpg
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:--------------------
"Earle Horton" <el_anglo_burgues@usa.com> wrote in message
news:45c5fc2c$0$21713$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Do you have any statistics or even anecdotal evidence to back that up, or
is
> it just something you pulled out of your butt and blind allegiance to
> industry propaganda? I have driven a few hundred thousand trouble-free
and
> accident-free miles without ABS. If I could be even safer than I am now,
> wow, that would be real safe.
>
> Ivan, plug in the fuse and see what happens. With a vehicle this old, it
> wouldn't hurt to flush the brake fluid and do a visual inspection of brake
> lines, pads, shoes, sensors, sensor wires, etc. Maybe the previous owner
> used the vehicle on gravel roads or did some off roading, and just forgot
to
> plug the fuse back in one time.
>
> Earle
02-04-2007, 10:29 PM
#50
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Re: ABS disabled on XJ
If you don't have to stop for stop signs in the snow:
http://www.4x4abc.com/4WD101/ABS_offroad.html
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"philthy" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
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> a vehicle with working abs is far safer to drive than one without
http://www.4x4abc.com/4WD101/ABS_offroad.html
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"philthy" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
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> a vehicle with working abs is far safer to drive than one without
