Re: 99 wrangler hard start
Hi Earle,
You replaced a badly needed air filter and cleaned the Throttle Position Sensor at the same time as the bored out throttle body. Merry Christmas and God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Earle Horton wrote: > > These are average figures, but I went from about 20 mpg in stock > configuration to about 25 mpg after the bored out throttle body, cat back > exhaust and electric fan. This was with the 2.5 liter engine. I believe > that in the stock configuration, the vehicle runs a little rich in order to > keep NOx emissions down. Most modern vehicles doo. According to spark plug > appearance, the vehicle isn't running too lean now, but the gas mileage is > improved, according to measurements made over 7 years. In my experience I > couldn't measure or evaluate the alleged performance increase I was supposed > to get, but the mileage increase is very real. The fact that you might > believe this to be impossible doesn't change the figures I have written down > in the notebook I keep in the vehicle. > > One thing about the fan. The four cylinder engine doesn't need as much > cooling air as the six, so I can drive down a highway or even a gravel road > and it will never come on. Usually, the fan only comes on in the summer in > city driving. That is why it represents a fuel savings, because it doesn't > have to come on and therefore use engine power. Your six cylinder > experience here may be different. > > Now if you put in at least a cat-back exhaust, which sooner or later you > will have to replace because of rocks, rust, whatever, well it seems to have > helped the Jeep and the Suburban I have too. And you can't argue with the > cool sound it makes. > > Earle > > "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message > news:8nrto2du7voaqvggtaa31087ta9bn971ou@4ax.com... > > A bored out t/body will do nothing for fuel economy. It won't help > > performance either, other than at wide open throttle. > > > > It goes without saying that if you're "enjoying" your "performance > > increase" from a larger t/body, you're not gonna get any fuel mileage. > > > > > > On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:29:51 -0600, "TomP" <tompeters@localnet.com> > > wrote: > > > > >Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with 4.0 > and > > >am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air cleaner, > > >electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone anywhere > to > > >check milege. Taking a trip next week to see. > > >Thanks Tom > > > > > >"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message > > >news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > > >> Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new. > It > > >> is > > >> a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check > > >> valve > > >> somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a > pressure > > >> gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it. > > >> > > >> What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big > > >> engine, > > >> of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small > > >> engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25 > mpg > > >> after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric > > >> cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan > to > > >> take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you > > >> smash > > >> your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh. > > >> > > >> You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.? > > >> > > >> Welcome to the club. > > >> > > >> Earle > > >> > > >> "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message > > >> news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... > > >>> > > >>> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first > try > > >>> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any > > >>> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> magicman > > >> > > >> > > > |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
Thanks Earl
The electric fan is working out well. The only comparison I have so far is the RPMs Have dropped at a given speed so it should work out Tom "Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message news:458f1319$0$3473$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > These are average figures, but I went from about 20 mpg in stock > configuration to about 25 mpg after the bored out throttle body, cat back > exhaust and electric fan. This was with the 2.5 liter engine. I believe > that in the stock configuration, the vehicle runs a little rich in order > to > keep NOx emissions down. Most modern vehicles doo. According to spark > plug > appearance, the vehicle isn't running too lean now, but the gas mileage is > improved, according to measurements made over 7 years. In my experience I > couldn't measure or evaluate the alleged performance increase I was > supposed > to get, but the mileage increase is very real. The fact that you might > believe this to be impossible doesn't change the figures I have written > down > in the notebook I keep in the vehicle. > > One thing about the fan. The four cylinder engine doesn't need as much > cooling air as the six, so I can drive down a highway or even a gravel > road > and it will never come on. Usually, the fan only comes on in the summer > in > city driving. That is why it represents a fuel savings, because it > doesn't > have to come on and therefore use engine power. Your six cylinder > experience here may be different. > > Now if you put in at least a cat-back exhaust, which sooner or later you > will have to replace because of rocks, rust, whatever, well it seems to > have > helped the Jeep and the Suburban I have too. And you can't argue with the > cool sound it makes. > > Earle > > "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message > news:8nrto2du7voaqvggtaa31087ta9bn971ou@4ax.com... >> A bored out t/body will do nothing for fuel economy. It won't help >> performance either, other than at wide open throttle. >> >> It goes without saying that if you're "enjoying" your "performance >> increase" from a larger t/body, you're not gonna get any fuel mileage. >> >> >> On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:29:51 -0600, "TomP" <tompeters@localnet.com> >> wrote: >> >> >Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with 4.0 > and >> >am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air >> >cleaner, >> >electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone >> >anywhere > to >> >check milege. Taking a trip next week to see. >> >Thanks Tom >> > >> >"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message >> >news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... >> >> Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new. > It >> >> is >> >> a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check >> >> valve >> >> somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a > pressure >> >> gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it. >> >> >> >> What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big >> >> engine, >> >> of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small >> >> engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25 > mpg >> >> after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric >> >> cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan > to >> >> take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you >> >> smash >> >> your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh. >> >> >> >> You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.? >> >> >> >> Welcome to the club. >> >> >> >> Earle >> >> >> >> "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message >> >> news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... >> >>> >> >>> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first > try >> >>> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any >> >>> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> magicman >> >> >> >> >> > > > |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
Thanks Earl
The electric fan is working out well. The only comparison I have so far is the RPMs Have dropped at a given speed so it should work out Tom "Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message news:458f1319$0$3473$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > These are average figures, but I went from about 20 mpg in stock > configuration to about 25 mpg after the bored out throttle body, cat back > exhaust and electric fan. This was with the 2.5 liter engine. I believe > that in the stock configuration, the vehicle runs a little rich in order > to > keep NOx emissions down. Most modern vehicles doo. According to spark > plug > appearance, the vehicle isn't running too lean now, but the gas mileage is > improved, according to measurements made over 7 years. In my experience I > couldn't measure or evaluate the alleged performance increase I was > supposed > to get, but the mileage increase is very real. The fact that you might > believe this to be impossible doesn't change the figures I have written > down > in the notebook I keep in the vehicle. > > One thing about the fan. The four cylinder engine doesn't need as much > cooling air as the six, so I can drive down a highway or even a gravel > road > and it will never come on. Usually, the fan only comes on in the summer > in > city driving. That is why it represents a fuel savings, because it > doesn't > have to come on and therefore use engine power. Your six cylinder > experience here may be different. > > Now if you put in at least a cat-back exhaust, which sooner or later you > will have to replace because of rocks, rust, whatever, well it seems to > have > helped the Jeep and the Suburban I have too. And you can't argue with the > cool sound it makes. > > Earle > > "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message > news:8nrto2du7voaqvggtaa31087ta9bn971ou@4ax.com... >> A bored out t/body will do nothing for fuel economy. It won't help >> performance either, other than at wide open throttle. >> >> It goes without saying that if you're "enjoying" your "performance >> increase" from a larger t/body, you're not gonna get any fuel mileage. >> >> >> On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:29:51 -0600, "TomP" <tompeters@localnet.com> >> wrote: >> >> >Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with 4.0 > and >> >am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air >> >cleaner, >> >electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone >> >anywhere > to >> >check milege. Taking a trip next week to see. >> >Thanks Tom >> > >> >"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message >> >news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... >> >> Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new. > It >> >> is >> >> a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check >> >> valve >> >> somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a > pressure >> >> gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it. >> >> >> >> What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big >> >> engine, >> >> of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small >> >> engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25 > mpg >> >> after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric >> >> cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan > to >> >> take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you >> >> smash >> >> your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh. >> >> >> >> You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.? >> >> >> >> Welcome to the club. >> >> >> >> Earle >> >> >> >> "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message >> >> news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... >> >>> >> >>> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first > try >> >>> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any >> >>> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> magicman >> >> >> >> >> > > > |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
Thanks Earl
The electric fan is working out well. The only comparison I have so far is the RPMs Have dropped at a given speed so it should work out Tom "Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message news:458f1319$0$3473$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > These are average figures, but I went from about 20 mpg in stock > configuration to about 25 mpg after the bored out throttle body, cat back > exhaust and electric fan. This was with the 2.5 liter engine. I believe > that in the stock configuration, the vehicle runs a little rich in order > to > keep NOx emissions down. Most modern vehicles doo. According to spark > plug > appearance, the vehicle isn't running too lean now, but the gas mileage is > improved, according to measurements made over 7 years. In my experience I > couldn't measure or evaluate the alleged performance increase I was > supposed > to get, but the mileage increase is very real. The fact that you might > believe this to be impossible doesn't change the figures I have written > down > in the notebook I keep in the vehicle. > > One thing about the fan. The four cylinder engine doesn't need as much > cooling air as the six, so I can drive down a highway or even a gravel > road > and it will never come on. Usually, the fan only comes on in the summer > in > city driving. That is why it represents a fuel savings, because it > doesn't > have to come on and therefore use engine power. Your six cylinder > experience here may be different. > > Now if you put in at least a cat-back exhaust, which sooner or later you > will have to replace because of rocks, rust, whatever, well it seems to > have > helped the Jeep and the Suburban I have too. And you can't argue with the > cool sound it makes. > > Earle > > "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message > news:8nrto2du7voaqvggtaa31087ta9bn971ou@4ax.com... >> A bored out t/body will do nothing for fuel economy. It won't help >> performance either, other than at wide open throttle. >> >> It goes without saying that if you're "enjoying" your "performance >> increase" from a larger t/body, you're not gonna get any fuel mileage. >> >> >> On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:29:51 -0600, "TomP" <tompeters@localnet.com> >> wrote: >> >> >Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with 4.0 > and >> >am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air >> >cleaner, >> >electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone >> >anywhere > to >> >check milege. Taking a trip next week to see. >> >Thanks Tom >> > >> >"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message >> >news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... >> >> Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new. > It >> >> is >> >> a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check >> >> valve >> >> somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a > pressure >> >> gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it. >> >> >> >> What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big >> >> engine, >> >> of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small >> >> engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25 > mpg >> >> after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric >> >> cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan > to >> >> take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you >> >> smash >> >> your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh. >> >> >> >> You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.? >> >> >> >> Welcome to the club. >> >> >> >> Earle >> >> >> >> "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message >> >> news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... >> >>> >> >>> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first > try >> >>> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any >> >>> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> magicman >> >> >> >> >> > > > |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:EqednQ6m6oX6txLYnZ2dnUVZ_rWnnZ2d@softcom.net. .. > Your fan swap probably did more to increase fuel mileage than > anything else; belt-driven fans soak up a lot of energy. No way to tell, but this is a good combination. With fuel prices the way they have been, I might have made back the money I spent on this stuff. > > > And you can't argue with the cool sound it makes. > > They're attention-getters, but they don't make more power or burn > fuel more efficiently. I'll pass on the extra attention; I get enough > from local cops and thieves as it is. > No way to tell, except by putting it on a dyno. I am going on the general principle that "more air, is better". Felices Navidades. Earle |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:EqednQ6m6oX6txLYnZ2dnUVZ_rWnnZ2d@softcom.net. .. > Your fan swap probably did more to increase fuel mileage than > anything else; belt-driven fans soak up a lot of energy. No way to tell, but this is a good combination. With fuel prices the way they have been, I might have made back the money I spent on this stuff. > > > And you can't argue with the cool sound it makes. > > They're attention-getters, but they don't make more power or burn > fuel more efficiently. I'll pass on the extra attention; I get enough > from local cops and thieves as it is. > No way to tell, except by putting it on a dyno. I am going on the general principle that "more air, is better". Felices Navidades. Earle |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:EqednQ6m6oX6txLYnZ2dnUVZ_rWnnZ2d@softcom.net. .. > Your fan swap probably did more to increase fuel mileage than > anything else; belt-driven fans soak up a lot of energy. No way to tell, but this is a good combination. With fuel prices the way they have been, I might have made back the money I spent on this stuff. > > > And you can't argue with the cool sound it makes. > > They're attention-getters, but they don't make more power or burn > fuel more efficiently. I'll pass on the extra attention; I get enough > from local cops and thieves as it is. > No way to tell, except by putting it on a dyno. I am going on the general principle that "more air, is better". Felices Navidades. Earle |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
There you go again, really really....
Felices Navidades. Earle "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:458F2D14.75AB1602@cox.net... > Hi Earle, > You replaced a badly needed air filter and cleaned the Throttle > Position Sensor at the same time as the bored out throttle body. > Merry Christmas and God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Earle Horton wrote: > > > > These are average figures, but I went from about 20 mpg in stock > > configuration to about 25 mpg after the bored out throttle body, cat back > > exhaust and electric fan. This was with the 2.5 liter engine. I believe > > that in the stock configuration, the vehicle runs a little rich in order to > > keep NOx emissions down. Most modern vehicles doo. According to spark plug > > appearance, the vehicle isn't running too lean now, but the gas mileage is > > improved, according to measurements made over 7 years. In my experience I > > couldn't measure or evaluate the alleged performance increase I was supposed > > to get, but the mileage increase is very real. The fact that you might > > believe this to be impossible doesn't change the figures I have written down > > in the notebook I keep in the vehicle. > > > > One thing about the fan. The four cylinder engine doesn't need as much > > cooling air as the six, so I can drive down a highway or even a gravel road > > and it will never come on. Usually, the fan only comes on in the summer in > > city driving. That is why it represents a fuel savings, because it doesn't > > have to come on and therefore use engine power. Your six cylinder > > experience here may be different. > > > > Now if you put in at least a cat-back exhaust, which sooner or later you > > will have to replace because of rocks, rust, whatever, well it seems to have > > helped the Jeep and the Suburban I have too. And you can't argue with the > > cool sound it makes. > > > > Earle > > > > "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message > > news:8nrto2du7voaqvggtaa31087ta9bn971ou@4ax.com... > > > A bored out t/body will do nothing for fuel economy. It won't help > > > performance either, other than at wide open throttle. > > > > > > It goes without saying that if you're "enjoying" your "performance > > > increase" from a larger t/body, you're not gonna get any fuel mileage. > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:29:51 -0600, "TomP" <tompeters@localnet.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > >Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with 4.0 > > and > > > >am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air cleaner, > > > >electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone anywhere > > to > > > >check milege. Taking a trip next week to see. > > > >Thanks Tom > > > > > > > >"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message > > > >news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > > > >> Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new. > > It > > > >> is > > > >> a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check > > > >> valve > > > >> somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a > > pressure > > > >> gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it. > > > >> > > > >> What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big > > > >> engine, > > > >> of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small > > > >> engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25 > > mpg > > > >> after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric > > > >> cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan > > to > > > >> take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you > > > >> smash > > > >> your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh. > > > >> > > > >> You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.? > > > >> > > > >> Welcome to the club. > > > >> > > > >> Earle > > > >> > > > >> "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message > > > >> news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... > > > >>> > > > >>> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first > > try > > > >>> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any > > > >>> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> -- > > > >>> magicman > > > >> > > > >> > > > > |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
There you go again, really really....
Felices Navidades. Earle "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:458F2D14.75AB1602@cox.net... > Hi Earle, > You replaced a badly needed air filter and cleaned the Throttle > Position Sensor at the same time as the bored out throttle body. > Merry Christmas and God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Earle Horton wrote: > > > > These are average figures, but I went from about 20 mpg in stock > > configuration to about 25 mpg after the bored out throttle body, cat back > > exhaust and electric fan. This was with the 2.5 liter engine. I believe > > that in the stock configuration, the vehicle runs a little rich in order to > > keep NOx emissions down. Most modern vehicles doo. According to spark plug > > appearance, the vehicle isn't running too lean now, but the gas mileage is > > improved, according to measurements made over 7 years. In my experience I > > couldn't measure or evaluate the alleged performance increase I was supposed > > to get, but the mileage increase is very real. The fact that you might > > believe this to be impossible doesn't change the figures I have written down > > in the notebook I keep in the vehicle. > > > > One thing about the fan. The four cylinder engine doesn't need as much > > cooling air as the six, so I can drive down a highway or even a gravel road > > and it will never come on. Usually, the fan only comes on in the summer in > > city driving. That is why it represents a fuel savings, because it doesn't > > have to come on and therefore use engine power. Your six cylinder > > experience here may be different. > > > > Now if you put in at least a cat-back exhaust, which sooner or later you > > will have to replace because of rocks, rust, whatever, well it seems to have > > helped the Jeep and the Suburban I have too. And you can't argue with the > > cool sound it makes. > > > > Earle > > > > "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message > > news:8nrto2du7voaqvggtaa31087ta9bn971ou@4ax.com... > > > A bored out t/body will do nothing for fuel economy. It won't help > > > performance either, other than at wide open throttle. > > > > > > It goes without saying that if you're "enjoying" your "performance > > > increase" from a larger t/body, you're not gonna get any fuel mileage. > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:29:51 -0600, "TomP" <tompeters@localnet.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > >Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with 4.0 > > and > > > >am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air cleaner, > > > >electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone anywhere > > to > > > >check milege. Taking a trip next week to see. > > > >Thanks Tom > > > > > > > >"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message > > > >news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > > > >> Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new. > > It > > > >> is > > > >> a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check > > > >> valve > > > >> somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a > > pressure > > > >> gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it. > > > >> > > > >> What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big > > > >> engine, > > > >> of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small > > > >> engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25 > > mpg > > > >> after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric > > > >> cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan > > to > > > >> take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you > > > >> smash > > > >> your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh. > > > >> > > > >> You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.? > > > >> > > > >> Welcome to the club. > > > >> > > > >> Earle > > > >> > > > >> "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message > > > >> news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... > > > >>> > > > >>> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first > > try > > > >>> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any > > > >>> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> -- > > > >>> magicman > > > >> > > > >> > > > > |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
There you go again, really really....
Felices Navidades. Earle "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:458F2D14.75AB1602@cox.net... > Hi Earle, > You replaced a badly needed air filter and cleaned the Throttle > Position Sensor at the same time as the bored out throttle body. > Merry Christmas and God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Earle Horton wrote: > > > > These are average figures, but I went from about 20 mpg in stock > > configuration to about 25 mpg after the bored out throttle body, cat back > > exhaust and electric fan. This was with the 2.5 liter engine. I believe > > that in the stock configuration, the vehicle runs a little rich in order to > > keep NOx emissions down. Most modern vehicles doo. According to spark plug > > appearance, the vehicle isn't running too lean now, but the gas mileage is > > improved, according to measurements made over 7 years. In my experience I > > couldn't measure or evaluate the alleged performance increase I was supposed > > to get, but the mileage increase is very real. The fact that you might > > believe this to be impossible doesn't change the figures I have written down > > in the notebook I keep in the vehicle. > > > > One thing about the fan. The four cylinder engine doesn't need as much > > cooling air as the six, so I can drive down a highway or even a gravel road > > and it will never come on. Usually, the fan only comes on in the summer in > > city driving. That is why it represents a fuel savings, because it doesn't > > have to come on and therefore use engine power. Your six cylinder > > experience here may be different. > > > > Now if you put in at least a cat-back exhaust, which sooner or later you > > will have to replace because of rocks, rust, whatever, well it seems to have > > helped the Jeep and the Suburban I have too. And you can't argue with the > > cool sound it makes. > > > > Earle > > > > "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message > > news:8nrto2du7voaqvggtaa31087ta9bn971ou@4ax.com... > > > A bored out t/body will do nothing for fuel economy. It won't help > > > performance either, other than at wide open throttle. > > > > > > It goes without saying that if you're "enjoying" your "performance > > > increase" from a larger t/body, you're not gonna get any fuel mileage. > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:29:51 -0600, "TomP" <tompeters@localnet.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > >Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with 4.0 > > and > > > >am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air cleaner, > > > >electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone anywhere > > to > > > >check milege. Taking a trip next week to see. > > > >Thanks Tom > > > > > > > >"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message > > > >news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > > > >> Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new. > > It > > > >> is > > > >> a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check > > > >> valve > > > >> somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a > > pressure > > > >> gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it. > > > >> > > > >> What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big > > > >> engine, > > > >> of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small > > > >> engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25 > > mpg > > > >> after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric > > > >> cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan > > to > > > >> take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you > > > >> smash > > > >> your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh. > > > >> > > > >> You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.? > > > >> > > > >> Welcome to the club. > > > >> > > > >> Earle > > > >> > > > >> "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message > > > >> news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... > > > >>> > > > >>> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first > > try > > > >>> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any > > > >>> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> -- > > > >>> magicman > > > >> > > > >> > > > > |
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