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99 wrangler hard start
i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first tr but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try an ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage -- magicman |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new. It is
a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check valve somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a pressure gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it. What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big engine, of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25 mpg after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan to take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you smash your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh. You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.? Welcome to the club. Earle "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... > > i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first try > but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any > ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? > > > > > -- > magicman |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new. It is
a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check valve somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a pressure gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it. What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big engine, of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25 mpg after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan to take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you smash your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh. You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.? Welcome to the club. Earle "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... > > i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first try > but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any > ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? > > > > > -- > magicman |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new. It is
a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check valve somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a pressure gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it. What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big engine, of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25 mpg after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan to take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you smash your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh. You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.? Welcome to the club. Earle "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... > > i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first try > but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any > ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? > > > > > -- > magicman |
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battery termials are probably dirty. As for gas mileage, realize you bought
a brick on wheels. Carl "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... > > i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first try > but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any > ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? > > > > > -- > magicman |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
battery termials are probably dirty. As for gas mileage, realize you bought
a brick on wheels. Carl "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... > > i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first try > but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any > ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? > > > > > -- > magicman |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
battery termials are probably dirty. As for gas mileage, realize you bought
a brick on wheels. Carl "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... > > i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first try > but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any > ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? > > > > > -- > magicman |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
magicman proclaimed:
> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first try > but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any > ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? > If you can get it to start quickly by turning the key on, wait 5 seconds, turn the key off, then start, your fuel system is losing pressure. If it happens mostly overnight, not to worry. As for the mileage: it is roughly as aerodynamic as a brick. It is geared for offroad. |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
magicman proclaimed:
> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first try > but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any > ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? > If you can get it to start quickly by turning the key on, wait 5 seconds, turn the key off, then start, your fuel system is losing pressure. If it happens mostly overnight, not to worry. As for the mileage: it is roughly as aerodynamic as a brick. It is geared for offroad. |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
magicman proclaimed:
> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first try > but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any > ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? > If you can get it to start quickly by turning the key on, wait 5 seconds, turn the key off, then start, your fuel system is losing pressure. If it happens mostly overnight, not to worry. As for the mileage: it is roughly as aerodynamic as a brick. It is geared for offroad. |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with 4.0 and
am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air cleaner, electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone anywhere to check milege. Taking a trip next week to see. Thanks Tom "Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new. It > is > a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check > valve > somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a pressure > gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it. > > What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big > engine, > of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small > engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25 mpg > after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric > cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan to > take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you > smash > your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh. > > You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.? > > Welcome to the club. > > Earle > > "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message > news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... >> >> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first try >> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any >> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? >> >> >> >> >> -- >> magicman > > |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with 4.0 and
am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air cleaner, electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone anywhere to check milege. Taking a trip next week to see. Thanks Tom "Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new. It > is > a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check > valve > somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a pressure > gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it. > > What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big > engine, > of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small > engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25 mpg > after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric > cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan to > take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you > smash > your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh. > > You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.? > > Welcome to the club. > > Earle > > "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message > news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... >> >> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first try >> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any >> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? >> >> >> >> >> -- >> magicman > > |
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Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with 4.0 and
am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air cleaner, electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone anywhere to check milege. Taking a trip next week to see. Thanks Tom "Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new. It > is > a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check > valve > somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a pressure > gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it. > > What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big > engine, > of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small > engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25 mpg > after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric > cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan to > take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you > smash > your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh. > > You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.? > > Welcome to the club. > > Earle > > "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message > news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... >> >> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first try >> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any >> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? >> >> >> >> >> -- >> magicman > > |
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TomP wrote:
> Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with > 4.0 and am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the > air cleaner, electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but > havent gone anywhere to check milege. Taking a trip next week to see. It's just the stock 4.0 TB that's been oversized. The end result is it will flow more air. This of course does no good at all if the rest of the system (intake rail, head, exhaust system) can't flow that much. http://www.hescosc.com/shop.asp?acti...entoryID=45418 Of course Hesco is't the only place to get one, and it is possible to make one yourself (if you have milling tools). -- -- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://revbeergoggles.com HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge! |
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TomP wrote:
> Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with > 4.0 and am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the > air cleaner, electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but > havent gone anywhere to check milege. Taking a trip next week to see. It's just the stock 4.0 TB that's been oversized. The end result is it will flow more air. This of course does no good at all if the rest of the system (intake rail, head, exhaust system) can't flow that much. http://www.hescosc.com/shop.asp?acti...entoryID=45418 Of course Hesco is't the only place to get one, and it is possible to make one yourself (if you have milling tools). -- -- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://revbeergoggles.com HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge! |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
TomP wrote:
> Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with > 4.0 and am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the > air cleaner, electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but > havent gone anywhere to check milege. Taking a trip next week to see. It's just the stock 4.0 TB that's been oversized. The end result is it will flow more air. This of course does no good at all if the rest of the system (intake rail, head, exhaust system) can't flow that much. http://www.hescosc.com/shop.asp?acti...entoryID=45418 Of course Hesco is't the only place to get one, and it is possible to make one yourself (if you have milling tools). -- -- DougW -- 93 ZJ 4.0 http://revbeergoggles.com HESCO Supercharger - 300W IASCA Stereo - Edelbrock IAS Shocks Gibson Exhaust - rear DCpower - custom gauge install - Stillen Rotors Banks Header - and BEER, in the fridge! |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
magicman wrote:
> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first try > but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any > ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? Likely a drop in fuel pressure when it sits for a while. If it starts immediately when warm, this is probably it. Leaky fuel injectors or check valves in the fuel return line or regulator (depending on design) are suspect. A worn out fuel pump will also cause this. Some makers during some years program the PCM to delay the ignition system for a few revolutions of the engine to help circulate oil into the top end of an overhead camshaft setup before allowing the engine to fire. I seriously doubt this design applies here, but I think it's a good idea no matter. AFAIK, DC does not use this logic in any of their cars. Great fuel mileage isn't something you'll see featured on a Jeep product. They're heavy trucks with engines of vintage design; my TJL weighs nearly 2 tons empty, and around town I manage 18 mpg, and about 20 on the highway. Driving habits and proper tire pressures affect this the most. I'm perfectly happy with 18 mpg; most of the 4WD Chevy-guys around here average 6-8 mpg. around town; one Expedition owner I know averages only 4 mpg! I used to own a crappy old '68 Dodge Polara 440 that only got 3 mpg, city or highway. You could do worse. |
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magicman wrote:
> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first try > but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any > ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? Likely a drop in fuel pressure when it sits for a while. If it starts immediately when warm, this is probably it. Leaky fuel injectors or check valves in the fuel return line or regulator (depending on design) are suspect. A worn out fuel pump will also cause this. Some makers during some years program the PCM to delay the ignition system for a few revolutions of the engine to help circulate oil into the top end of an overhead camshaft setup before allowing the engine to fire. I seriously doubt this design applies here, but I think it's a good idea no matter. AFAIK, DC does not use this logic in any of their cars. Great fuel mileage isn't something you'll see featured on a Jeep product. They're heavy trucks with engines of vintage design; my TJL weighs nearly 2 tons empty, and around town I manage 18 mpg, and about 20 on the highway. Driving habits and proper tire pressures affect this the most. I'm perfectly happy with 18 mpg; most of the 4WD Chevy-guys around here average 6-8 mpg. around town; one Expedition owner I know averages only 4 mpg! I used to own a crappy old '68 Dodge Polara 440 that only got 3 mpg, city or highway. You could do worse. |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
magicman wrote:
> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first try > but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any > ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? Likely a drop in fuel pressure when it sits for a while. If it starts immediately when warm, this is probably it. Leaky fuel injectors or check valves in the fuel return line or regulator (depending on design) are suspect. A worn out fuel pump will also cause this. Some makers during some years program the PCM to delay the ignition system for a few revolutions of the engine to help circulate oil into the top end of an overhead camshaft setup before allowing the engine to fire. I seriously doubt this design applies here, but I think it's a good idea no matter. AFAIK, DC does not use this logic in any of their cars. Great fuel mileage isn't something you'll see featured on a Jeep product. They're heavy trucks with engines of vintage design; my TJL weighs nearly 2 tons empty, and around town I manage 18 mpg, and about 20 on the highway. Driving habits and proper tire pressures affect this the most. I'm perfectly happy with 18 mpg; most of the 4WD Chevy-guys around here average 6-8 mpg. around town; one Expedition owner I know averages only 4 mpg! I used to own a crappy old '68 Dodge Polara 440 that only got 3 mpg, city or highway. You could do worse. |
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A bored out t/body will do nothing for fuel economy. It won't help
performance either, other than at wide open throttle. It goes without saying that if you're "enjoying" your "performance increase" from a larger t/body, you're not gonna get any fuel mileage. On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:29:51 -0600, "TomP" <tompeters@localnet.com> wrote: >Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with 4.0 and >am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air cleaner, >electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone anywhere to >check milege. Taking a trip next week to see. >Thanks Tom > >"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message >news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... >> Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new. It >> is >> a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check >> valve >> somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a pressure >> gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it. >> >> What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big >> engine, >> of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small >> engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25 mpg >> after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric >> cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan to >> take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you >> smash >> your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh. >> >> You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.? >> >> Welcome to the club. >> >> Earle >> >> "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message >> news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... >>> >>> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first try >>> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any >>> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> magicman >> >> > |
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A bored out t/body will do nothing for fuel economy. It won't help
performance either, other than at wide open throttle. It goes without saying that if you're "enjoying" your "performance increase" from a larger t/body, you're not gonna get any fuel mileage. On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:29:51 -0600, "TomP" <tompeters@localnet.com> wrote: >Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with 4.0 and >am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air cleaner, >electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone anywhere to >check milege. Taking a trip next week to see. >Thanks Tom > >"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message >news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... >> Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new. It >> is >> a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check >> valve >> somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a pressure >> gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it. >> >> What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big >> engine, >> of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small >> engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25 mpg >> after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric >> cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan to >> take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you >> smash >> your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh. >> >> You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.? >> >> Welcome to the club. >> >> Earle >> >> "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message >> news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... >>> >>> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first try >>> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any >>> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> magicman >> >> > |
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A bored out t/body will do nothing for fuel economy. It won't help
performance either, other than at wide open throttle. It goes without saying that if you're "enjoying" your "performance increase" from a larger t/body, you're not gonna get any fuel mileage. On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:29:51 -0600, "TomP" <tompeters@localnet.com> wrote: >Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with 4.0 and >am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air cleaner, >electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone anywhere to >check milege. Taking a trip next week to see. >Thanks Tom > >"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message >news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... >> Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new. It >> is >> a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check >> valve >> somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a pressure >> gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it. >> >> What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big >> engine, >> of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small >> engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25 mpg >> after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric >> cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan to >> take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you >> smash >> your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh. >> >> You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.? >> >> Welcome to the club. >> >> Earle >> >> "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message >> news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... >>> >>> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first try >>> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any >>> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> magicman >> >> > |
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These are average figures, but I went from about 20 mpg in stock
configuration to about 25 mpg after the bored out throttle body, cat back exhaust and electric fan. This was with the 2.5 liter engine. I believe that in the stock configuration, the vehicle runs a little rich in order to keep NOx emissions down. Most modern vehicles doo. According to spark plug appearance, the vehicle isn't running too lean now, but the gas mileage is improved, according to measurements made over 7 years. In my experience I couldn't measure or evaluate the alleged performance increase I was supposed to get, but the mileage increase is very real. The fact that you might believe this to be impossible doesn't change the figures I have written down in the notebook I keep in the vehicle. One thing about the fan. The four cylinder engine doesn't need as much cooling air as the six, so I can drive down a highway or even a gravel road and it will never come on. Usually, the fan only comes on in the summer in city driving. That is why it represents a fuel savings, because it doesn't have to come on and therefore use engine power. Your six cylinder experience here may be different. Now if you put in at least a cat-back exhaust, which sooner or later you will have to replace because of rocks, rust, whatever, well it seems to have helped the Jeep and the Suburban I have too. And you can't argue with the cool sound it makes. Earle "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message news:8nrto2du7voaqvggtaa31087ta9bn971ou@4ax.com... > A bored out t/body will do nothing for fuel economy. It won't help > performance either, other than at wide open throttle. > > It goes without saying that if you're "enjoying" your "performance > increase" from a larger t/body, you're not gonna get any fuel mileage. > > > On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:29:51 -0600, "TomP" <tompeters@localnet.com> > wrote: > > >Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with 4.0 and > >am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air cleaner, > >electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone anywhere to > >check milege. Taking a trip next week to see. > >Thanks Tom > > > >"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message > >news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > >> Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new. It > >> is > >> a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check > >> valve > >> somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a pressure > >> gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it. > >> > >> What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big > >> engine, > >> of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small > >> engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25 mpg > >> after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric > >> cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan to > >> take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you > >> smash > >> your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh. > >> > >> You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.? > >> > >> Welcome to the club. > >> > >> Earle > >> > >> "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message > >> news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... > >>> > >>> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first try > >>> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any > >>> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> magicman > >> > >> > > |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
These are average figures, but I went from about 20 mpg in stock
configuration to about 25 mpg after the bored out throttle body, cat back exhaust and electric fan. This was with the 2.5 liter engine. I believe that in the stock configuration, the vehicle runs a little rich in order to keep NOx emissions down. Most modern vehicles doo. According to spark plug appearance, the vehicle isn't running too lean now, but the gas mileage is improved, according to measurements made over 7 years. In my experience I couldn't measure or evaluate the alleged performance increase I was supposed to get, but the mileage increase is very real. The fact that you might believe this to be impossible doesn't change the figures I have written down in the notebook I keep in the vehicle. One thing about the fan. The four cylinder engine doesn't need as much cooling air as the six, so I can drive down a highway or even a gravel road and it will never come on. Usually, the fan only comes on in the summer in city driving. That is why it represents a fuel savings, because it doesn't have to come on and therefore use engine power. Your six cylinder experience here may be different. Now if you put in at least a cat-back exhaust, which sooner or later you will have to replace because of rocks, rust, whatever, well it seems to have helped the Jeep and the Suburban I have too. And you can't argue with the cool sound it makes. Earle "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message news:8nrto2du7voaqvggtaa31087ta9bn971ou@4ax.com... > A bored out t/body will do nothing for fuel economy. It won't help > performance either, other than at wide open throttle. > > It goes without saying that if you're "enjoying" your "performance > increase" from a larger t/body, you're not gonna get any fuel mileage. > > > On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:29:51 -0600, "TomP" <tompeters@localnet.com> > wrote: > > >Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with 4.0 and > >am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air cleaner, > >electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone anywhere to > >check milege. Taking a trip next week to see. > >Thanks Tom > > > >"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message > >news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > >> Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new. It > >> is > >> a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check > >> valve > >> somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a pressure > >> gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it. > >> > >> What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big > >> engine, > >> of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small > >> engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25 mpg > >> after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric > >> cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan to > >> take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you > >> smash > >> your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh. > >> > >> You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.? > >> > >> Welcome to the club. > >> > >> Earle > >> > >> "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message > >> news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... > >>> > >>> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first try > >>> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any > >>> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> magicman > >> > >> > > |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
These are average figures, but I went from about 20 mpg in stock
configuration to about 25 mpg after the bored out throttle body, cat back exhaust and electric fan. This was with the 2.5 liter engine. I believe that in the stock configuration, the vehicle runs a little rich in order to keep NOx emissions down. Most modern vehicles doo. According to spark plug appearance, the vehicle isn't running too lean now, but the gas mileage is improved, according to measurements made over 7 years. In my experience I couldn't measure or evaluate the alleged performance increase I was supposed to get, but the mileage increase is very real. The fact that you might believe this to be impossible doesn't change the figures I have written down in the notebook I keep in the vehicle. One thing about the fan. The four cylinder engine doesn't need as much cooling air as the six, so I can drive down a highway or even a gravel road and it will never come on. Usually, the fan only comes on in the summer in city driving. That is why it represents a fuel savings, because it doesn't have to come on and therefore use engine power. Your six cylinder experience here may be different. Now if you put in at least a cat-back exhaust, which sooner or later you will have to replace because of rocks, rust, whatever, well it seems to have helped the Jeep and the Suburban I have too. And you can't argue with the cool sound it makes. Earle "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message news:8nrto2du7voaqvggtaa31087ta9bn971ou@4ax.com... > A bored out t/body will do nothing for fuel economy. It won't help > performance either, other than at wide open throttle. > > It goes without saying that if you're "enjoying" your "performance > increase" from a larger t/body, you're not gonna get any fuel mileage. > > > On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:29:51 -0600, "TomP" <tompeters@localnet.com> > wrote: > > >Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with 4.0 and > >am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air cleaner, > >electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone anywhere to > >check milege. Taking a trip next week to see. > >Thanks Tom > > > >"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message > >news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > >> Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new. It > >> is > >> a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check > >> valve > >> somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a pressure > >> gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it. > >> > >> What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big > >> engine, > >> of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small > >> engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25 mpg > >> after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric > >> cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan to > >> take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you > >> smash > >> your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh. > >> > >> You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.? > >> > >> Welcome to the club. > >> > >> Earle > >> > >> "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message > >> news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... > >>> > >>> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first try > >>> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any > >>> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> magicman > >> > >> > > |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
Your fan swap probably did more to increase fuel mileage than anything
else; belt-driven fans soak up a lot of energy. > And you can't argue with the cool sound it makes. They're attention-getters, but they don't make more power or burn fuel more efficiently. I'll pass on the extra attention; I get enough from local cops and thieves as it is. |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
Your fan swap probably did more to increase fuel mileage than anything
else; belt-driven fans soak up a lot of energy. > And you can't argue with the cool sound it makes. They're attention-getters, but they don't make more power or burn fuel more efficiently. I'll pass on the extra attention; I get enough from local cops and thieves as it is. |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
Your fan swap probably did more to increase fuel mileage than anything
else; belt-driven fans soak up a lot of energy. > And you can't argue with the cool sound it makes. They're attention-getters, but they don't make more power or burn fuel more efficiently. I'll pass on the extra attention; I get enough from local cops and thieves as it is. |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
Hi Earle,
You replaced a badly needed air filter and cleaned the Throttle Position Sensor at the same time as the bored out throttle body. Merry Christmas and God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Earle Horton wrote: > > These are average figures, but I went from about 20 mpg in stock > configuration to about 25 mpg after the bored out throttle body, cat back > exhaust and electric fan. This was with the 2.5 liter engine. I believe > that in the stock configuration, the vehicle runs a little rich in order to > keep NOx emissions down. Most modern vehicles doo. According to spark plug > appearance, the vehicle isn't running too lean now, but the gas mileage is > improved, according to measurements made over 7 years. In my experience I > couldn't measure or evaluate the alleged performance increase I was supposed > to get, but the mileage increase is very real. The fact that you might > believe this to be impossible doesn't change the figures I have written down > in the notebook I keep in the vehicle. > > One thing about the fan. The four cylinder engine doesn't need as much > cooling air as the six, so I can drive down a highway or even a gravel road > and it will never come on. Usually, the fan only comes on in the summer in > city driving. That is why it represents a fuel savings, because it doesn't > have to come on and therefore use engine power. Your six cylinder > experience here may be different. > > Now if you put in at least a cat-back exhaust, which sooner or later you > will have to replace because of rocks, rust, whatever, well it seems to have > helped the Jeep and the Suburban I have too. And you can't argue with the > cool sound it makes. > > Earle > > "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message > news:8nrto2du7voaqvggtaa31087ta9bn971ou@4ax.com... > > A bored out t/body will do nothing for fuel economy. It won't help > > performance either, other than at wide open throttle. > > > > It goes without saying that if you're "enjoying" your "performance > > increase" from a larger t/body, you're not gonna get any fuel mileage. > > > > > > On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:29:51 -0600, "TomP" <tompeters@localnet.com> > > wrote: > > > > >Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with 4.0 > and > > >am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air cleaner, > > >electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone anywhere > to > > >check milege. Taking a trip next week to see. > > >Thanks Tom > > > > > >"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message > > >news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > > >> Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new. > It > > >> is > > >> a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check > > >> valve > > >> somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a > pressure > > >> gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it. > > >> > > >> What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big > > >> engine, > > >> of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small > > >> engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25 > mpg > > >> after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric > > >> cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan > to > > >> take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you > > >> smash > > >> your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh. > > >> > > >> You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.? > > >> > > >> Welcome to the club. > > >> > > >> Earle > > >> > > >> "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message > > >> news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... > > >>> > > >>> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first > try > > >>> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any > > >>> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> magicman > > >> > > >> > > > |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
Hi Earle,
You replaced a badly needed air filter and cleaned the Throttle Position Sensor at the same time as the bored out throttle body. Merry Christmas and God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Earle Horton wrote: > > These are average figures, but I went from about 20 mpg in stock > configuration to about 25 mpg after the bored out throttle body, cat back > exhaust and electric fan. This was with the 2.5 liter engine. I believe > that in the stock configuration, the vehicle runs a little rich in order to > keep NOx emissions down. Most modern vehicles doo. According to spark plug > appearance, the vehicle isn't running too lean now, but the gas mileage is > improved, according to measurements made over 7 years. In my experience I > couldn't measure or evaluate the alleged performance increase I was supposed > to get, but the mileage increase is very real. The fact that you might > believe this to be impossible doesn't change the figures I have written down > in the notebook I keep in the vehicle. > > One thing about the fan. The four cylinder engine doesn't need as much > cooling air as the six, so I can drive down a highway or even a gravel road > and it will never come on. Usually, the fan only comes on in the summer in > city driving. That is why it represents a fuel savings, because it doesn't > have to come on and therefore use engine power. Your six cylinder > experience here may be different. > > Now if you put in at least a cat-back exhaust, which sooner or later you > will have to replace because of rocks, rust, whatever, well it seems to have > helped the Jeep and the Suburban I have too. And you can't argue with the > cool sound it makes. > > Earle > > "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message > news:8nrto2du7voaqvggtaa31087ta9bn971ou@4ax.com... > > A bored out t/body will do nothing for fuel economy. It won't help > > performance either, other than at wide open throttle. > > > > It goes without saying that if you're "enjoying" your "performance > > increase" from a larger t/body, you're not gonna get any fuel mileage. > > > > > > On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:29:51 -0600, "TomP" <tompeters@localnet.com> > > wrote: > > > > >Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with 4.0 > and > > >am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air cleaner, > > >electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone anywhere > to > > >check milege. Taking a trip next week to see. > > >Thanks Tom > > > > > >"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message > > >news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > > >> Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new. > It > > >> is > > >> a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check > > >> valve > > >> somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a > pressure > > >> gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it. > > >> > > >> What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big > > >> engine, > > >> of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small > > >> engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25 > mpg > > >> after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric > > >> cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan > to > > >> take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you > > >> smash > > >> your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh. > > >> > > >> You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.? > > >> > > >> Welcome to the club. > > >> > > >> Earle > > >> > > >> "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message > > >> news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... > > >>> > > >>> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first > try > > >>> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any > > >>> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> magicman > > >> > > >> > > > |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
Hi Earle,
You replaced a badly needed air filter and cleaned the Throttle Position Sensor at the same time as the bored out throttle body. Merry Christmas and God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Earle Horton wrote: > > These are average figures, but I went from about 20 mpg in stock > configuration to about 25 mpg after the bored out throttle body, cat back > exhaust and electric fan. This was with the 2.5 liter engine. I believe > that in the stock configuration, the vehicle runs a little rich in order to > keep NOx emissions down. Most modern vehicles doo. According to spark plug > appearance, the vehicle isn't running too lean now, but the gas mileage is > improved, according to measurements made over 7 years. In my experience I > couldn't measure or evaluate the alleged performance increase I was supposed > to get, but the mileage increase is very real. The fact that you might > believe this to be impossible doesn't change the figures I have written down > in the notebook I keep in the vehicle. > > One thing about the fan. The four cylinder engine doesn't need as much > cooling air as the six, so I can drive down a highway or even a gravel road > and it will never come on. Usually, the fan only comes on in the summer in > city driving. That is why it represents a fuel savings, because it doesn't > have to come on and therefore use engine power. Your six cylinder > experience here may be different. > > Now if you put in at least a cat-back exhaust, which sooner or later you > will have to replace because of rocks, rust, whatever, well it seems to have > helped the Jeep and the Suburban I have too. And you can't argue with the > cool sound it makes. > > Earle > > "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message > news:8nrto2du7voaqvggtaa31087ta9bn971ou@4ax.com... > > A bored out t/body will do nothing for fuel economy. It won't help > > performance either, other than at wide open throttle. > > > > It goes without saying that if you're "enjoying" your "performance > > increase" from a larger t/body, you're not gonna get any fuel mileage. > > > > > > On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:29:51 -0600, "TomP" <tompeters@localnet.com> > > wrote: > > > > >Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with 4.0 > and > > >am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air cleaner, > > >electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone anywhere > to > > >check milege. Taking a trip next week to see. > > >Thanks Tom > > > > > >"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message > > >news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > > >> Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new. > It > > >> is > > >> a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check > > >> valve > > >> somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a > pressure > > >> gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it. > > >> > > >> What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big > > >> engine, > > >> of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small > > >> engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25 > mpg > > >> after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric > > >> cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan > to > > >> take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you > > >> smash > > >> your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh. > > >> > > >> You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.? > > >> > > >> Welcome to the club. > > >> > > >> Earle > > >> > > >> "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message > > >> news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... > > >>> > > >>> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first > try > > >>> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any > > >>> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> magicman > > >> > > >> > > > |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
Thanks Earl
The electric fan is working out well. The only comparison I have so far is the RPMs Have dropped at a given speed so it should work out Tom "Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message news:458f1319$0$3473$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > These are average figures, but I went from about 20 mpg in stock > configuration to about 25 mpg after the bored out throttle body, cat back > exhaust and electric fan. This was with the 2.5 liter engine. I believe > that in the stock configuration, the vehicle runs a little rich in order > to > keep NOx emissions down. Most modern vehicles doo. According to spark > plug > appearance, the vehicle isn't running too lean now, but the gas mileage is > improved, according to measurements made over 7 years. In my experience I > couldn't measure or evaluate the alleged performance increase I was > supposed > to get, but the mileage increase is very real. The fact that you might > believe this to be impossible doesn't change the figures I have written > down > in the notebook I keep in the vehicle. > > One thing about the fan. The four cylinder engine doesn't need as much > cooling air as the six, so I can drive down a highway or even a gravel > road > and it will never come on. Usually, the fan only comes on in the summer > in > city driving. That is why it represents a fuel savings, because it > doesn't > have to come on and therefore use engine power. Your six cylinder > experience here may be different. > > Now if you put in at least a cat-back exhaust, which sooner or later you > will have to replace because of rocks, rust, whatever, well it seems to > have > helped the Jeep and the Suburban I have too. And you can't argue with the > cool sound it makes. > > Earle > > "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message > news:8nrto2du7voaqvggtaa31087ta9bn971ou@4ax.com... >> A bored out t/body will do nothing for fuel economy. It won't help >> performance either, other than at wide open throttle. >> >> It goes without saying that if you're "enjoying" your "performance >> increase" from a larger t/body, you're not gonna get any fuel mileage. >> >> >> On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:29:51 -0600, "TomP" <tompeters@localnet.com> >> wrote: >> >> >Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with 4.0 > and >> >am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air >> >cleaner, >> >electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone >> >anywhere > to >> >check milege. Taking a trip next week to see. >> >Thanks Tom >> > >> >"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message >> >news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... >> >> Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new. > It >> >> is >> >> a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check >> >> valve >> >> somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a > pressure >> >> gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it. >> >> >> >> What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big >> >> engine, >> >> of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small >> >> engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25 > mpg >> >> after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric >> >> cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan > to >> >> take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you >> >> smash >> >> your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh. >> >> >> >> You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.? >> >> >> >> Welcome to the club. >> >> >> >> Earle >> >> >> >> "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message >> >> news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... >> >>> >> >>> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first > try >> >>> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any >> >>> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> magicman >> >> >> >> >> > > > |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
Thanks Earl
The electric fan is working out well. The only comparison I have so far is the RPMs Have dropped at a given speed so it should work out Tom "Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message news:458f1319$0$3473$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > These are average figures, but I went from about 20 mpg in stock > configuration to about 25 mpg after the bored out throttle body, cat back > exhaust and electric fan. This was with the 2.5 liter engine. I believe > that in the stock configuration, the vehicle runs a little rich in order > to > keep NOx emissions down. Most modern vehicles doo. According to spark > plug > appearance, the vehicle isn't running too lean now, but the gas mileage is > improved, according to measurements made over 7 years. In my experience I > couldn't measure or evaluate the alleged performance increase I was > supposed > to get, but the mileage increase is very real. The fact that you might > believe this to be impossible doesn't change the figures I have written > down > in the notebook I keep in the vehicle. > > One thing about the fan. The four cylinder engine doesn't need as much > cooling air as the six, so I can drive down a highway or even a gravel > road > and it will never come on. Usually, the fan only comes on in the summer > in > city driving. That is why it represents a fuel savings, because it > doesn't > have to come on and therefore use engine power. Your six cylinder > experience here may be different. > > Now if you put in at least a cat-back exhaust, which sooner or later you > will have to replace because of rocks, rust, whatever, well it seems to > have > helped the Jeep and the Suburban I have too. And you can't argue with the > cool sound it makes. > > Earle > > "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message > news:8nrto2du7voaqvggtaa31087ta9bn971ou@4ax.com... >> A bored out t/body will do nothing for fuel economy. It won't help >> performance either, other than at wide open throttle. >> >> It goes without saying that if you're "enjoying" your "performance >> increase" from a larger t/body, you're not gonna get any fuel mileage. >> >> >> On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:29:51 -0600, "TomP" <tompeters@localnet.com> >> wrote: >> >> >Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with 4.0 > and >> >am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air >> >cleaner, >> >electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone >> >anywhere > to >> >check milege. Taking a trip next week to see. >> >Thanks Tom >> > >> >"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message >> >news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... >> >> Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new. > It >> >> is >> >> a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check >> >> valve >> >> somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a > pressure >> >> gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it. >> >> >> >> What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big >> >> engine, >> >> of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small >> >> engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25 > mpg >> >> after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric >> >> cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan > to >> >> take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you >> >> smash >> >> your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh. >> >> >> >> You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.? >> >> >> >> Welcome to the club. >> >> >> >> Earle >> >> >> >> "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message >> >> news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... >> >>> >> >>> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first > try >> >>> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any >> >>> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> magicman >> >> >> >> >> > > > |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
Thanks Earl
The electric fan is working out well. The only comparison I have so far is the RPMs Have dropped at a given speed so it should work out Tom "Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message news:458f1319$0$3473$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m... > These are average figures, but I went from about 20 mpg in stock > configuration to about 25 mpg after the bored out throttle body, cat back > exhaust and electric fan. This was with the 2.5 liter engine. I believe > that in the stock configuration, the vehicle runs a little rich in order > to > keep NOx emissions down. Most modern vehicles doo. According to spark > plug > appearance, the vehicle isn't running too lean now, but the gas mileage is > improved, according to measurements made over 7 years. In my experience I > couldn't measure or evaluate the alleged performance increase I was > supposed > to get, but the mileage increase is very real. The fact that you might > believe this to be impossible doesn't change the figures I have written > down > in the notebook I keep in the vehicle. > > One thing about the fan. The four cylinder engine doesn't need as much > cooling air as the six, so I can drive down a highway or even a gravel > road > and it will never come on. Usually, the fan only comes on in the summer > in > city driving. That is why it represents a fuel savings, because it > doesn't > have to come on and therefore use engine power. Your six cylinder > experience here may be different. > > Now if you put in at least a cat-back exhaust, which sooner or later you > will have to replace because of rocks, rust, whatever, well it seems to > have > helped the Jeep and the Suburban I have too. And you can't argue with the > cool sound it makes. > > Earle > > "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message > news:8nrto2du7voaqvggtaa31087ta9bn971ou@4ax.com... >> A bored out t/body will do nothing for fuel economy. It won't help >> performance either, other than at wide open throttle. >> >> It goes without saying that if you're "enjoying" your "performance >> increase" from a larger t/body, you're not gonna get any fuel mileage. >> >> >> On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:29:51 -0600, "TomP" <tompeters@localnet.com> >> wrote: >> >> >Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with 4.0 > and >> >am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air >> >cleaner, >> >electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone >> >anywhere > to >> >check milege. Taking a trip next week to see. >> >Thanks Tom >> > >> >"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message >> >news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... >> >> Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new. > It >> >> is >> >> a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check >> >> valve >> >> somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a > pressure >> >> gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it. >> >> >> >> What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big >> >> engine, >> >> of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small >> >> engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25 > mpg >> >> after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric >> >> cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan > to >> >> take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you >> >> smash >> >> your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh. >> >> >> >> You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.? >> >> >> >> Welcome to the club. >> >> >> >> Earle >> >> >> >> "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message >> >> news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... >> >>> >> >>> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first > try >> >>> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any >> >>> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> magicman >> >> >> >> >> > > > |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:EqednQ6m6oX6txLYnZ2dnUVZ_rWnnZ2d@softcom.net. .. > Your fan swap probably did more to increase fuel mileage than > anything else; belt-driven fans soak up a lot of energy. No way to tell, but this is a good combination. With fuel prices the way they have been, I might have made back the money I spent on this stuff. > > > And you can't argue with the cool sound it makes. > > They're attention-getters, but they don't make more power or burn > fuel more efficiently. I'll pass on the extra attention; I get enough > from local cops and thieves as it is. > No way to tell, except by putting it on a dyno. I am going on the general principle that "more air, is better". Felices Navidades. Earle |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:EqednQ6m6oX6txLYnZ2dnUVZ_rWnnZ2d@softcom.net. .. > Your fan swap probably did more to increase fuel mileage than > anything else; belt-driven fans soak up a lot of energy. No way to tell, but this is a good combination. With fuel prices the way they have been, I might have made back the money I spent on this stuff. > > > And you can't argue with the cool sound it makes. > > They're attention-getters, but they don't make more power or burn > fuel more efficiently. I'll pass on the extra attention; I get enough > from local cops and thieves as it is. > No way to tell, except by putting it on a dyno. I am going on the general principle that "more air, is better". Felices Navidades. Earle |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
"Outatime" <user@example.net> wrote in message
news:EqednQ6m6oX6txLYnZ2dnUVZ_rWnnZ2d@softcom.net. .. > Your fan swap probably did more to increase fuel mileage than > anything else; belt-driven fans soak up a lot of energy. No way to tell, but this is a good combination. With fuel prices the way they have been, I might have made back the money I spent on this stuff. > > > And you can't argue with the cool sound it makes. > > They're attention-getters, but they don't make more power or burn > fuel more efficiently. I'll pass on the extra attention; I get enough > from local cops and thieves as it is. > No way to tell, except by putting it on a dyno. I am going on the general principle that "more air, is better". Felices Navidades. Earle |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
There you go again, really really....
Felices Navidades. Earle "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:458F2D14.75AB1602@cox.net... > Hi Earle, > You replaced a badly needed air filter and cleaned the Throttle > Position Sensor at the same time as the bored out throttle body. > Merry Christmas and God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Earle Horton wrote: > > > > These are average figures, but I went from about 20 mpg in stock > > configuration to about 25 mpg after the bored out throttle body, cat back > > exhaust and electric fan. This was with the 2.5 liter engine. I believe > > that in the stock configuration, the vehicle runs a little rich in order to > > keep NOx emissions down. Most modern vehicles doo. According to spark plug > > appearance, the vehicle isn't running too lean now, but the gas mileage is > > improved, according to measurements made over 7 years. In my experience I > > couldn't measure or evaluate the alleged performance increase I was supposed > > to get, but the mileage increase is very real. The fact that you might > > believe this to be impossible doesn't change the figures I have written down > > in the notebook I keep in the vehicle. > > > > One thing about the fan. The four cylinder engine doesn't need as much > > cooling air as the six, so I can drive down a highway or even a gravel road > > and it will never come on. Usually, the fan only comes on in the summer in > > city driving. That is why it represents a fuel savings, because it doesn't > > have to come on and therefore use engine power. Your six cylinder > > experience here may be different. > > > > Now if you put in at least a cat-back exhaust, which sooner or later you > > will have to replace because of rocks, rust, whatever, well it seems to have > > helped the Jeep and the Suburban I have too. And you can't argue with the > > cool sound it makes. > > > > Earle > > > > "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message > > news:8nrto2du7voaqvggtaa31087ta9bn971ou@4ax.com... > > > A bored out t/body will do nothing for fuel economy. It won't help > > > performance either, other than at wide open throttle. > > > > > > It goes without saying that if you're "enjoying" your "performance > > > increase" from a larger t/body, you're not gonna get any fuel mileage. > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:29:51 -0600, "TomP" <tompeters@localnet.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > >Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with 4.0 > > and > > > >am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air cleaner, > > > >electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone anywhere > > to > > > >check milege. Taking a trip next week to see. > > > >Thanks Tom > > > > > > > >"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message > > > >news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > > > >> Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new. > > It > > > >> is > > > >> a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check > > > >> valve > > > >> somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a > > pressure > > > >> gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it. > > > >> > > > >> What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big > > > >> engine, > > > >> of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small > > > >> engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25 > > mpg > > > >> after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric > > > >> cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan > > to > > > >> take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you > > > >> smash > > > >> your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh. > > > >> > > > >> You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.? > > > >> > > > >> Welcome to the club. > > > >> > > > >> Earle > > > >> > > > >> "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message > > > >> news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... > > > >>> > > > >>> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first > > try > > > >>> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any > > > >>> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> -- > > > >>> magicman > > > >> > > > >> > > > > |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
There you go again, really really....
Felices Navidades. Earle "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:458F2D14.75AB1602@cox.net... > Hi Earle, > You replaced a badly needed air filter and cleaned the Throttle > Position Sensor at the same time as the bored out throttle body. > Merry Christmas and God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Earle Horton wrote: > > > > These are average figures, but I went from about 20 mpg in stock > > configuration to about 25 mpg after the bored out throttle body, cat back > > exhaust and electric fan. This was with the 2.5 liter engine. I believe > > that in the stock configuration, the vehicle runs a little rich in order to > > keep NOx emissions down. Most modern vehicles doo. According to spark plug > > appearance, the vehicle isn't running too lean now, but the gas mileage is > > improved, according to measurements made over 7 years. In my experience I > > couldn't measure or evaluate the alleged performance increase I was supposed > > to get, but the mileage increase is very real. The fact that you might > > believe this to be impossible doesn't change the figures I have written down > > in the notebook I keep in the vehicle. > > > > One thing about the fan. The four cylinder engine doesn't need as much > > cooling air as the six, so I can drive down a highway or even a gravel road > > and it will never come on. Usually, the fan only comes on in the summer in > > city driving. That is why it represents a fuel savings, because it doesn't > > have to come on and therefore use engine power. Your six cylinder > > experience here may be different. > > > > Now if you put in at least a cat-back exhaust, which sooner or later you > > will have to replace because of rocks, rust, whatever, well it seems to have > > helped the Jeep and the Suburban I have too. And you can't argue with the > > cool sound it makes. > > > > Earle > > > > "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message > > news:8nrto2du7voaqvggtaa31087ta9bn971ou@4ax.com... > > > A bored out t/body will do nothing for fuel economy. It won't help > > > performance either, other than at wide open throttle. > > > > > > It goes without saying that if you're "enjoying" your "performance > > > increase" from a larger t/body, you're not gonna get any fuel mileage. > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:29:51 -0600, "TomP" <tompeters@localnet.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > >Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with 4.0 > > and > > > >am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air cleaner, > > > >electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone anywhere > > to > > > >check milege. Taking a trip next week to see. > > > >Thanks Tom > > > > > > > >"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message > > > >news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > > > >> Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new. > > It > > > >> is > > > >> a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check > > > >> valve > > > >> somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a > > pressure > > > >> gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it. > > > >> > > > >> What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big > > > >> engine, > > > >> of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small > > > >> engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25 > > mpg > > > >> after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric > > > >> cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan > > to > > > >> take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you > > > >> smash > > > >> your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh. > > > >> > > > >> You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.? > > > >> > > > >> Welcome to the club. > > > >> > > > >> Earle > > > >> > > > >> "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message > > > >> news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... > > > >>> > > > >>> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first > > try > > > >>> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any > > > >>> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> -- > > > >>> magicman > > > >> > > > >> > > > > |
Re: 99 wrangler hard start
There you go again, really really....
Felices Navidades. Earle "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:458F2D14.75AB1602@cox.net... > Hi Earle, > You replaced a badly needed air filter and cleaned the Throttle > Position Sensor at the same time as the bored out throttle body. > Merry Christmas and God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Earle Horton wrote: > > > > These are average figures, but I went from about 20 mpg in stock > > configuration to about 25 mpg after the bored out throttle body, cat back > > exhaust and electric fan. This was with the 2.5 liter engine. I believe > > that in the stock configuration, the vehicle runs a little rich in order to > > keep NOx emissions down. Most modern vehicles doo. According to spark plug > > appearance, the vehicle isn't running too lean now, but the gas mileage is > > improved, according to measurements made over 7 years. In my experience I > > couldn't measure or evaluate the alleged performance increase I was supposed > > to get, but the mileage increase is very real. The fact that you might > > believe this to be impossible doesn't change the figures I have written down > > in the notebook I keep in the vehicle. > > > > One thing about the fan. The four cylinder engine doesn't need as much > > cooling air as the six, so I can drive down a highway or even a gravel road > > and it will never come on. Usually, the fan only comes on in the summer in > > city driving. That is why it represents a fuel savings, because it doesn't > > have to come on and therefore use engine power. Your six cylinder > > experience here may be different. > > > > Now if you put in at least a cat-back exhaust, which sooner or later you > > will have to replace because of rocks, rust, whatever, well it seems to have > > helped the Jeep and the Suburban I have too. And you can't argue with the > > cool sound it makes. > > > > Earle > > > > "bllsht" <nospam@dot.net> wrote in message > > news:8nrto2du7voaqvggtaa31087ta9bn971ou@4ax.com... > > > A bored out t/body will do nothing for fuel economy. It won't help > > > performance either, other than at wide open throttle. > > > > > > It goes without saying that if you're "enjoying" your "performance > > > increase" from a larger t/body, you're not gonna get any fuel mileage. > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 13:29:51 -0600, "TomP" <tompeters@localnet.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > >Could you elaborate on the bored out throttle body? I have a 04 with 4.0 > > and > > > >am looking for ways to increse the milege. Just finished the air cleaner, > > > >electric fan, and exhaust ( cat back ) upgrades, but havent gone anywhere > > to > > > >check milege. Taking a trip next week to see. > > > >Thanks Tom > > > > > > > >"Earle Horton" <anglocapitalista@usa.com> wrote in message > > > >news:458e1bf6$0$3526$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om... > > > >> Mine takes about 1.5 seconds to start every time, and has since new. > > It > > > >> is > > > >> a 95. Yours sounds like a different problem though. There is a check > > > >> valve > > > >> somewhere in the fuel system that can leak down. Buy or rent a > > pressure > > > >> gauge to put on the fuel rail and see if this is it. > > > >> > > > >> What do you mean "doesnt get great gas mileage"? If you got the big > > > >> engine, > > > >> of course you're not going to get great mileage. If you got the small > > > >> engine, you won't either. Mine has the small engine and gets about 25 > > mpg > > > >> after a bored out throttle body, high performance exhaust and electric > > > >> cooling fan. Before all those upgrades it got about 20. If you plan > > to > > > >> take it off road, you can wait on the exhaust upgrade, until after you > > > >> smash > > > >> your current muffler on a rock, heh, heh. > > > >> > > > >> You of course gave it a complete ignition tune up, air cleaner, etc.? > > > >> > > > >> Welcome to the club. > > > >> > > > >> Earle > > > >> > > > >> "magicman" <magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com> wrote in message > > > >> news:magicman.2jb0r9@news.autobanter.com... > > > >>> > > > >>> i have a newly purchased 99 wrangler and it will not start on first > > try > > > >>> but turn the key off and she fires right up on the second try any > > > >>> ideas? thanks also it doesnt get great gas mileage ? > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> -- > > > >>> magicman > > > >> > > > >> > > > > |
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