98TJ Rotted freeze-plugs/Bad Antifreeze
10-24-2005, 07:42 PM
#41
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Re: 98TJ Rotted freeze-plugs/Bad Antifreeze
Hit the post button by accident.
The article claims that Prestone is changing from their "Conventional
America Green" formula of
"silicate and phosphate inhibitors, and benzoate, a
type of organic acid inhibitor."
They continue with:
"Prestone conventional antifreeze, with greenish-gold dye,
actually was the leading seller, but that antifreeze is being
phased out in favor of a DexCool formula."
Hmmmm Dexcool, AWESOME!!
Now if you believe the rest of this article, here comes the nail in the
coffin:
"If it's a Ford or Chrysler Group product, or a
European car (except VW/Audi) top up with
G-05. It's available, and if you aren't using it as
one of your standard shop antifreezes, it's no
big deal to keep a few containers on the shelf.
After all, it also is approved as a retrofit
antifreeze on those makes. Do not use Prestone
Extended Life gold."
So that Prestone Green that has been recently promoted as a "universal"
replacement is not at all compatible with DC products like Billy said.
Don't know if anyone here watches the PowerBlock on Spike, but Prestone
has been pushing there green sludge as a one-fits-all replacement for
any cooling system. I doubt the local quickie-lube is stocking
manufacturer specific coolant. Something smells like class-action
around here....
-Jim
The article claims that Prestone is changing from their "Conventional
America Green" formula of
"silicate and phosphate inhibitors, and benzoate, a
type of organic acid inhibitor."
They continue with:
"Prestone conventional antifreeze, with greenish-gold dye,
actually was the leading seller, but that antifreeze is being
phased out in favor of a DexCool formula."
Hmmmm Dexcool, AWESOME!!
Now if you believe the rest of this article, here comes the nail in the
coffin:
"If it's a Ford or Chrysler Group product, or a
European car (except VW/Audi) top up with
G-05. It's available, and if you aren't using it as
one of your standard shop antifreezes, it's no
big deal to keep a few containers on the shelf.
After all, it also is approved as a retrofit
antifreeze on those makes. Do not use Prestone
Extended Life gold."
So that Prestone Green that has been recently promoted as a "universal"
replacement is not at all compatible with DC products like Billy said.
Don't know if anyone here watches the PowerBlock on Spike, but Prestone
has been pushing there green sludge as a one-fits-all replacement for
any cooling system. I doubt the local quickie-lube is stocking
manufacturer specific coolant. Something smells like class-action
around here....
-Jim
10-24-2005, 07:42 PM
#42
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Re: 98TJ Rotted freeze-plugs/Bad Antifreeze
Hit the post button by accident.
The article claims that Prestone is changing from their "Conventional
America Green" formula of
"silicate and phosphate inhibitors, and benzoate, a
type of organic acid inhibitor."
They continue with:
"Prestone conventional antifreeze, with greenish-gold dye,
actually was the leading seller, but that antifreeze is being
phased out in favor of a DexCool formula."
Hmmmm Dexcool, AWESOME!!
Now if you believe the rest of this article, here comes the nail in the
coffin:
"If it's a Ford or Chrysler Group product, or a
European car (except VW/Audi) top up with
G-05. It's available, and if you aren't using it as
one of your standard shop antifreezes, it's no
big deal to keep a few containers on the shelf.
After all, it also is approved as a retrofit
antifreeze on those makes. Do not use Prestone
Extended Life gold."
So that Prestone Green that has been recently promoted as a "universal"
replacement is not at all compatible with DC products like Billy said.
Don't know if anyone here watches the PowerBlock on Spike, but Prestone
has been pushing there green sludge as a one-fits-all replacement for
any cooling system. I doubt the local quickie-lube is stocking
manufacturer specific coolant. Something smells like class-action
around here....
-Jim
The article claims that Prestone is changing from their "Conventional
America Green" formula of
"silicate and phosphate inhibitors, and benzoate, a
type of organic acid inhibitor."
They continue with:
"Prestone conventional antifreeze, with greenish-gold dye,
actually was the leading seller, but that antifreeze is being
phased out in favor of a DexCool formula."
Hmmmm Dexcool, AWESOME!!
Now if you believe the rest of this article, here comes the nail in the
coffin:
"If it's a Ford or Chrysler Group product, or a
European car (except VW/Audi) top up with
G-05. It's available, and if you aren't using it as
one of your standard shop antifreezes, it's no
big deal to keep a few containers on the shelf.
After all, it also is approved as a retrofit
antifreeze on those makes. Do not use Prestone
Extended Life gold."
So that Prestone Green that has been recently promoted as a "universal"
replacement is not at all compatible with DC products like Billy said.
Don't know if anyone here watches the PowerBlock on Spike, but Prestone
has been pushing there green sludge as a one-fits-all replacement for
any cooling system. I doubt the local quickie-lube is stocking
manufacturer specific coolant. Something smells like class-action
around here....
-Jim
10-24-2005, 07:42 PM
#43
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Re: 98TJ Rotted freeze-plugs/Bad Antifreeze
Hit the post button by accident.
The article claims that Prestone is changing from their "Conventional
America Green" formula of
"silicate and phosphate inhibitors, and benzoate, a
type of organic acid inhibitor."
They continue with:
"Prestone conventional antifreeze, with greenish-gold dye,
actually was the leading seller, but that antifreeze is being
phased out in favor of a DexCool formula."
Hmmmm Dexcool, AWESOME!!
Now if you believe the rest of this article, here comes the nail in the
coffin:
"If it's a Ford or Chrysler Group product, or a
European car (except VW/Audi) top up with
G-05. It's available, and if you aren't using it as
one of your standard shop antifreezes, it's no
big deal to keep a few containers on the shelf.
After all, it also is approved as a retrofit
antifreeze on those makes. Do not use Prestone
Extended Life gold."
So that Prestone Green that has been recently promoted as a "universal"
replacement is not at all compatible with DC products like Billy said.
Don't know if anyone here watches the PowerBlock on Spike, but Prestone
has been pushing there green sludge as a one-fits-all replacement for
any cooling system. I doubt the local quickie-lube is stocking
manufacturer specific coolant. Something smells like class-action
around here....
-Jim
The article claims that Prestone is changing from their "Conventional
America Green" formula of
"silicate and phosphate inhibitors, and benzoate, a
type of organic acid inhibitor."
They continue with:
"Prestone conventional antifreeze, with greenish-gold dye,
actually was the leading seller, but that antifreeze is being
phased out in favor of a DexCool formula."
Hmmmm Dexcool, AWESOME!!
Now if you believe the rest of this article, here comes the nail in the
coffin:
"If it's a Ford or Chrysler Group product, or a
European car (except VW/Audi) top up with
G-05. It's available, and if you aren't using it as
one of your standard shop antifreezes, it's no
big deal to keep a few containers on the shelf.
After all, it also is approved as a retrofit
antifreeze on those makes. Do not use Prestone
Extended Life gold."
So that Prestone Green that has been recently promoted as a "universal"
replacement is not at all compatible with DC products like Billy said.
Don't know if anyone here watches the PowerBlock on Spike, but Prestone
has been pushing there green sludge as a one-fits-all replacement for
any cooling system. I doubt the local quickie-lube is stocking
manufacturer specific coolant. Something smells like class-action
around here....
-Jim
10-24-2005, 08:06 PM
#44
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Re: 98TJ Rotted freeze-plugs/Bad Antifreeze
Yeah, Greenies, as in I like my coolant to drain out GREEN, not brown
soup :) I don't think the issue is with the anti-freezing agent, but
with the anti-corrosion additives and according to the article Prestone
is changing their formula. I take issue with a product that is marketed
as a universal coolant replacement that functions as much less than
that.
I agree I'm a dunce for not checking the condition of the coolant
sooner. I sure didn't expect coolant that went in bright green to come
out two years later like brown sludge with my engine block dissolved it
it. According to the service shop manager I spoke to today, there was
hardly a hint of green left in it.
soup :) I don't think the issue is with the anti-freezing agent, but
with the anti-corrosion additives and according to the article Prestone
is changing their formula. I take issue with a product that is marketed
as a universal coolant replacement that functions as much less than
that.
I agree I'm a dunce for not checking the condition of the coolant
sooner. I sure didn't expect coolant that went in bright green to come
out two years later like brown sludge with my engine block dissolved it
it. According to the service shop manager I spoke to today, there was
hardly a hint of green left in it.
10-24-2005, 08:06 PM
#45
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Re: 98TJ Rotted freeze-plugs/Bad Antifreeze
Yeah, Greenies, as in I like my coolant to drain out GREEN, not brown
soup :) I don't think the issue is with the anti-freezing agent, but
with the anti-corrosion additives and according to the article Prestone
is changing their formula. I take issue with a product that is marketed
as a universal coolant replacement that functions as much less than
that.
I agree I'm a dunce for not checking the condition of the coolant
sooner. I sure didn't expect coolant that went in bright green to come
out two years later like brown sludge with my engine block dissolved it
it. According to the service shop manager I spoke to today, there was
hardly a hint of green left in it.
soup :) I don't think the issue is with the anti-freezing agent, but
with the anti-corrosion additives and according to the article Prestone
is changing their formula. I take issue with a product that is marketed
as a universal coolant replacement that functions as much less than
that.
I agree I'm a dunce for not checking the condition of the coolant
sooner. I sure didn't expect coolant that went in bright green to come
out two years later like brown sludge with my engine block dissolved it
it. According to the service shop manager I spoke to today, there was
hardly a hint of green left in it.
10-24-2005, 08:06 PM
#46
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 98TJ Rotted freeze-plugs/Bad Antifreeze
Yeah, Greenies, as in I like my coolant to drain out GREEN, not brown
soup :) I don't think the issue is with the anti-freezing agent, but
with the anti-corrosion additives and according to the article Prestone
is changing their formula. I take issue with a product that is marketed
as a universal coolant replacement that functions as much less than
that.
I agree I'm a dunce for not checking the condition of the coolant
sooner. I sure didn't expect coolant that went in bright green to come
out two years later like brown sludge with my engine block dissolved it
it. According to the service shop manager I spoke to today, there was
hardly a hint of green left in it.
soup :) I don't think the issue is with the anti-freezing agent, but
with the anti-corrosion additives and according to the article Prestone
is changing their formula. I take issue with a product that is marketed
as a universal coolant replacement that functions as much less than
that.
I agree I'm a dunce for not checking the condition of the coolant
sooner. I sure didn't expect coolant that went in bright green to come
out two years later like brown sludge with my engine block dissolved it
it. According to the service shop manager I spoke to today, there was
hardly a hint of green left in it.
10-24-2005, 08:38 PM
#47
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Re: 98TJ Rotted freeze-plugs/Bad Antifreeze
And are we really sure it was two years ago. Like is it written
down in that convenient place in our owner's manual? Sometimes time
flies by when we're having fun, and two years or thirty thousand miles
are past and automatic is slipping saying it's too late.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mood wrote:
>
> Yeah, Greenies, as in I like my coolant to drain out GREEN, not brown
> soup :) I don't think the issue is with the anti-freezing agent, but
> with the anti-corrosion additives and according to the article Prestone
> is changing their formula. I take issue with a product that is marketed
> as a universal coolant replacement that functions as much less than
> that.
>
> I agree I'm a dunce for not checking the condition of the coolant
> sooner. I sure didn't expect coolant that went in bright green to come
> out two years later like brown sludge with my engine block dissolved it
> it. According to the service shop manager I spoke to today, there was
> hardly a hint of green left in it.
down in that convenient place in our owner's manual? Sometimes time
flies by when we're having fun, and two years or thirty thousand miles
are past and automatic is slipping saying it's too late.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mood wrote:
>
> Yeah, Greenies, as in I like my coolant to drain out GREEN, not brown
> soup :) I don't think the issue is with the anti-freezing agent, but
> with the anti-corrosion additives and according to the article Prestone
> is changing their formula. I take issue with a product that is marketed
> as a universal coolant replacement that functions as much less than
> that.
>
> I agree I'm a dunce for not checking the condition of the coolant
> sooner. I sure didn't expect coolant that went in bright green to come
> out two years later like brown sludge with my engine block dissolved it
> it. According to the service shop manager I spoke to today, there was
> hardly a hint of green left in it.
10-24-2005, 08:38 PM
#48
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Posts: n/a
Re: 98TJ Rotted freeze-plugs/Bad Antifreeze
And are we really sure it was two years ago. Like is it written
down in that convenient place in our owner's manual? Sometimes time
flies by when we're having fun, and two years or thirty thousand miles
are past and automatic is slipping saying it's too late.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mood wrote:
>
> Yeah, Greenies, as in I like my coolant to drain out GREEN, not brown
> soup :) I don't think the issue is with the anti-freezing agent, but
> with the anti-corrosion additives and according to the article Prestone
> is changing their formula. I take issue with a product that is marketed
> as a universal coolant replacement that functions as much less than
> that.
>
> I agree I'm a dunce for not checking the condition of the coolant
> sooner. I sure didn't expect coolant that went in bright green to come
> out two years later like brown sludge with my engine block dissolved it
> it. According to the service shop manager I spoke to today, there was
> hardly a hint of green left in it.
down in that convenient place in our owner's manual? Sometimes time
flies by when we're having fun, and two years or thirty thousand miles
are past and automatic is slipping saying it's too late.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mood wrote:
>
> Yeah, Greenies, as in I like my coolant to drain out GREEN, not brown
> soup :) I don't think the issue is with the anti-freezing agent, but
> with the anti-corrosion additives and according to the article Prestone
> is changing their formula. I take issue with a product that is marketed
> as a universal coolant replacement that functions as much less than
> that.
>
> I agree I'm a dunce for not checking the condition of the coolant
> sooner. I sure didn't expect coolant that went in bright green to come
> out two years later like brown sludge with my engine block dissolved it
> it. According to the service shop manager I spoke to today, there was
> hardly a hint of green left in it.
10-24-2005, 08:38 PM
#49
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 98TJ Rotted freeze-plugs/Bad Antifreeze
And are we really sure it was two years ago. Like is it written
down in that convenient place in our owner's manual? Sometimes time
flies by when we're having fun, and two years or thirty thousand miles
are past and automatic is slipping saying it's too late.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mood wrote:
>
> Yeah, Greenies, as in I like my coolant to drain out GREEN, not brown
> soup :) I don't think the issue is with the anti-freezing agent, but
> with the anti-corrosion additives and according to the article Prestone
> is changing their formula. I take issue with a product that is marketed
> as a universal coolant replacement that functions as much less than
> that.
>
> I agree I'm a dunce for not checking the condition of the coolant
> sooner. I sure didn't expect coolant that went in bright green to come
> out two years later like brown sludge with my engine block dissolved it
> it. According to the service shop manager I spoke to today, there was
> hardly a hint of green left in it.
down in that convenient place in our owner's manual? Sometimes time
flies by when we're having fun, and two years or thirty thousand miles
are past and automatic is slipping saying it's too late.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mood wrote:
>
> Yeah, Greenies, as in I like my coolant to drain out GREEN, not brown
> soup :) I don't think the issue is with the anti-freezing agent, but
> with the anti-corrosion additives and according to the article Prestone
> is changing their formula. I take issue with a product that is marketed
> as a universal coolant replacement that functions as much less than
> that.
>
> I agree I'm a dunce for not checking the condition of the coolant
> sooner. I sure didn't expect coolant that went in bright green to come
> out two years later like brown sludge with my engine block dissolved it
> it. According to the service shop manager I spoke to today, there was
> hardly a hint of green left in it.
10-25-2005, 03:12 AM
#50
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Re: 98TJ Rotted freeze-plugs/Bad Antifreeze
Make sure you get all new hoses (radiator and heater) also.
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"Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> That is about exactly what came out of my engine cooling system, brown
> soup. I'd be interested in the letter you have from DC. The repair is
> being done by the dealer now, so I'm sure it's Mopar antifreeze going
> in. To bad the bastards are raking me for $1300. I'll post the
> itemized bill later but the work I know they are doing is:
>
> Replace water pump
> Replace head and block freeze plugs
> Replace radiator
>
> Hopefully nothing else has been rotted out by the quick-lube cooling
> system service I had 2 years ago.
>
>
> -Jim
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>> The girl that has my WJ before had her coolant topped off at her local
>> quickie-lube.
>>
>> I could not believe the c*ap that came out when I back flushed the
>> system.
>> The fluid was basically a brownish pre-sludge.
>>
>> --
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> .
>> "Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1130180079.478806.40130@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
>> > Interesting. All I know is that it was green, I know some newer
>> > forumlations are orange or red? The last flush and fill was done at a
>> > local mechanic.
>> >
>> >
>
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2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
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..
"Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1130193281.275161.315880@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
> That is about exactly what came out of my engine cooling system, brown
> soup. I'd be interested in the letter you have from DC. The repair is
> being done by the dealer now, so I'm sure it's Mopar antifreeze going
> in. To bad the bastards are raking me for $1300. I'll post the
> itemized bill later but the work I know they are doing is:
>
> Replace water pump
> Replace head and block freeze plugs
> Replace radiator
>
> Hopefully nothing else has been rotted out by the quick-lube cooling
> system service I had 2 years ago.
>
>
> -Jim
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>> The girl that has my WJ before had her coolant topped off at her local
>> quickie-lube.
>>
>> I could not believe the c*ap that came out when I back flushed the
>> system.
>> The fluid was basically a brownish pre-sludge.
>>
>> --
>> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> .
>> "Mood" <JimMood@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1130180079.478806.40130@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
>> > Interesting. All I know is that it was green, I know some newer
>> > forumlations are orange or red? The last flush and fill was done at a
>> > local mechanic.
>> >
>> >
>