98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
05-13-2007, 08:59 PM
#301
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Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
On Sun, 13 May 2007 12:39:01 -0700, in rec.autos.makers.jeep+******,
XS11E <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>herb@urusei.net (Herb Leong) wrote:
>
>> In article <1178731433.061923.236850@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
>> nrs <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> #2) if it is obtained by separating from oxygen in water, then it
>> takes #more energy to seperate than you get back by burning.
>> Yes. That means you need a super-cheap source of electricity.
>> While solar panels are expensive, they are cheap to run (mostly
>> free--some soap and water to keep it clean and a regular going
>> over by the owner).
>
>I don't know for sure, but I've heard that solar panels require more
>energy to manufacture than they can produce over their entire life
>span.
>
>Anyone know if that's true or not?
not true.
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XS11E <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>herb@urusei.net (Herb Leong) wrote:
>
>> In article <1178731433.061923.236850@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
>> nrs <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> #2) if it is obtained by separating from oxygen in water, then it
>> takes #more energy to seperate than you get back by burning.
>> Yes. That means you need a super-cheap source of electricity.
>> While solar panels are expensive, they are cheap to run (mostly
>> free--some soap and water to keep it clean and a regular going
>> over by the owner).
>
>I don't know for sure, but I've heard that solar panels require more
>energy to manufacture than they can produce over their entire life
>span.
>
>Anyone know if that's true or not?
not true.
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Ak'toh'di
05-13-2007, 09:49 PM
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Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
XS11E wrote:
> The secret of having a hybrid is to sell it BEFORE the batteries go,
> the batteries are often non-replaceable in that the cost of
> replacement may exceeds the resale value of the car.
I'd probably do a lease for something like a hybrid.
Actually, if gas prices go up much more I'm probably going to get
a small used econobox. Something that's already been thrashed,
won't need comprehensive, and just needs basic maintenance.
Silly thing is if I lived twice as far away and used the highway
it would take less gas to get to work. :/ What I need is two
tanks so I can run low octane when not under boost.
--
DougW
> The secret of having a hybrid is to sell it BEFORE the batteries go,
> the batteries are often non-replaceable in that the cost of
> replacement may exceeds the resale value of the car.
I'd probably do a lease for something like a hybrid.
Actually, if gas prices go up much more I'm probably going to get
a small used econobox. Something that's already been thrashed,
won't need comprehensive, and just needs basic maintenance.
Silly thing is if I lived twice as far away and used the highway
it would take less gas to get to work. :/ What I need is two
tanks so I can run low octane when not under boost.
--
DougW
05-13-2007, 09:49 PM
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Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
XS11E wrote:
> The secret of having a hybrid is to sell it BEFORE the batteries go,
> the batteries are often non-replaceable in that the cost of
> replacement may exceeds the resale value of the car.
I'd probably do a lease for something like a hybrid.
Actually, if gas prices go up much more I'm probably going to get
a small used econobox. Something that's already been thrashed,
won't need comprehensive, and just needs basic maintenance.
Silly thing is if I lived twice as far away and used the highway
it would take less gas to get to work. :/ What I need is two
tanks so I can run low octane when not under boost.
--
DougW
> The secret of having a hybrid is to sell it BEFORE the batteries go,
> the batteries are often non-replaceable in that the cost of
> replacement may exceeds the resale value of the car.
I'd probably do a lease for something like a hybrid.
Actually, if gas prices go up much more I'm probably going to get
a small used econobox. Something that's already been thrashed,
won't need comprehensive, and just needs basic maintenance.
Silly thing is if I lived twice as far away and used the highway
it would take less gas to get to work. :/ What I need is two
tanks so I can run low octane when not under boost.
--
DougW
05-13-2007, 09:49 PM
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Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
XS11E wrote:
> The secret of having a hybrid is to sell it BEFORE the batteries go,
> the batteries are often non-replaceable in that the cost of
> replacement may exceeds the resale value of the car.
I'd probably do a lease for something like a hybrid.
Actually, if gas prices go up much more I'm probably going to get
a small used econobox. Something that's already been thrashed,
won't need comprehensive, and just needs basic maintenance.
Silly thing is if I lived twice as far away and used the highway
it would take less gas to get to work. :/ What I need is two
tanks so I can run low octane when not under boost.
--
DougW
> The secret of having a hybrid is to sell it BEFORE the batteries go,
> the batteries are often non-replaceable in that the cost of
> replacement may exceeds the resale value of the car.
I'd probably do a lease for something like a hybrid.
Actually, if gas prices go up much more I'm probably going to get
a small used econobox. Something that's already been thrashed,
won't need comprehensive, and just needs basic maintenance.
Silly thing is if I lived twice as far away and used the highway
it would take less gas to get to work. :/ What I need is two
tanks so I can run low octane when not under boost.
--
DougW
05-13-2007, 09:49 PM
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Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
XS11E wrote:
> The secret of having a hybrid is to sell it BEFORE the batteries go,
> the batteries are often non-replaceable in that the cost of
> replacement may exceeds the resale value of the car.
I'd probably do a lease for something like a hybrid.
Actually, if gas prices go up much more I'm probably going to get
a small used econobox. Something that's already been thrashed,
won't need comprehensive, and just needs basic maintenance.
Silly thing is if I lived twice as far away and used the highway
it would take less gas to get to work. :/ What I need is two
tanks so I can run low octane when not under boost.
--
DougW
> The secret of having a hybrid is to sell it BEFORE the batteries go,
> the batteries are often non-replaceable in that the cost of
> replacement may exceeds the resale value of the car.
I'd probably do a lease for something like a hybrid.
Actually, if gas prices go up much more I'm probably going to get
a small used econobox. Something that's already been thrashed,
won't need comprehensive, and just needs basic maintenance.
Silly thing is if I lived twice as far away and used the highway
it would take less gas to get to work. :/ What I need is two
tanks so I can run low octane when not under boost.
--
DougW
05-14-2007, 12:04 AM
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Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
What kind of energy do you think made the solar energy panels? And like
the panels we see powering the cell emergency phone along our free ways,
"just pencils out" building poles to each one.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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"Herb Leong" <herb@urusei.net> wrote in message
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> In article <1178731433.061923.236850@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
> nrs <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote:
> #2) if it is obtained by separating from oxygen in water, then it takes
> #more energy to seperate than you get back by burning.
> Yes. That means you need a super-cheap source of electricity.
> While solar panels are expensive, they are cheap to run (mostly
> free--some soap and water to keep it clean and a regular going
> over by the owner).
>
> /herb
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the panels we see powering the cell emergency phone along our free ways,
"just pencils out" building poles to each one.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Herb Leong" <herb@urusei.net> wrote in message
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> In article <1178731433.061923.236850@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
> nrs <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote:
> #2) if it is obtained by separating from oxygen in water, then it takes
> #more energy to seperate than you get back by burning.
> Yes. That means you need a super-cheap source of electricity.
> While solar panels are expensive, they are cheap to run (mostly
> free--some soap and water to keep it clean and a regular going
> over by the owner).
>
> /herb
--
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05-14-2007, 12:04 AM
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Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
What kind of energy do you think made the solar energy panels? And like
the panels we see powering the cell emergency phone along our free ways,
"just pencils out" building poles to each one.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Herb Leong" <herb@urusei.net> wrote in message
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> In article <1178731433.061923.236850@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
> nrs <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote:
> #2) if it is obtained by separating from oxygen in water, then it takes
> #more energy to seperate than you get back by burning.
> Yes. That means you need a super-cheap source of electricity.
> While solar panels are expensive, they are cheap to run (mostly
> free--some soap and water to keep it clean and a regular going
> over by the owner).
>
> /herb
--
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the panels we see powering the cell emergency phone along our free ways,
"just pencils out" building poles to each one.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Herb Leong" <herb@urusei.net> wrote in message
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> In article <1178731433.061923.236850@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
> nrs <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote:
> #2) if it is obtained by separating from oxygen in water, then it takes
> #more energy to seperate than you get back by burning.
> Yes. That means you need a super-cheap source of electricity.
> While solar panels are expensive, they are cheap to run (mostly
> free--some soap and water to keep it clean and a regular going
> over by the owner).
>
> /herb
--
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05-14-2007, 12:04 AM
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Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
What kind of energy do you think made the solar energy panels? And like
the panels we see powering the cell emergency phone along our free ways,
"just pencils out" building poles to each one.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Herb Leong" <herb@urusei.net> wrote in message
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> In article <1178731433.061923.236850@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
> nrs <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote:
> #2) if it is obtained by separating from oxygen in water, then it takes
> #more energy to seperate than you get back by burning.
> Yes. That means you need a super-cheap source of electricity.
> While solar panels are expensive, they are cheap to run (mostly
> free--some soap and water to keep it clean and a regular going
> over by the owner).
>
> /herb
--
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the panels we see powering the cell emergency phone along our free ways,
"just pencils out" building poles to each one.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Herb Leong" <herb@urusei.net> wrote in message
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> In article <1178731433.061923.236850@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
> nrs <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote:
> #2) if it is obtained by separating from oxygen in water, then it takes
> #more energy to seperate than you get back by burning.
> Yes. That means you need a super-cheap source of electricity.
> While solar panels are expensive, they are cheap to run (mostly
> free--some soap and water to keep it clean and a regular going
> over by the owner).
>
> /herb
--
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05-14-2007, 12:04 AM
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Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
What kind of energy do you think made the solar energy panels? And like
the panels we see powering the cell emergency phone along our free ways,
"just pencils out" building poles to each one.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Herb Leong" <herb@urusei.net> wrote in message
news:2smdndHfzbeX-9rbnZ2dnUVZ_vXinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
> In article <1178731433.061923.236850@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
> nrs <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote:
> #2) if it is obtained by separating from oxygen in water, then it takes
> #more energy to seperate than you get back by burning.
> Yes. That means you need a super-cheap source of electricity.
> While solar panels are expensive, they are cheap to run (mostly
> free--some soap and water to keep it clean and a regular going
> over by the owner).
>
> /herb
--
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the panels we see powering the cell emergency phone along our free ways,
"just pencils out" building poles to each one.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Herb Leong" <herb@urusei.net> wrote in message
news:2smdndHfzbeX-9rbnZ2dnUVZ_vXinZ2d@speakeasy.net...
> In article <1178731433.061923.236850@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
> nrs <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote:
> #2) if it is obtained by separating from oxygen in water, then it takes
> #more energy to seperate than you get back by burning.
> Yes. That means you need a super-cheap source of electricity.
> While solar panels are expensive, they are cheap to run (mostly
> free--some soap and water to keep it clean and a regular going
> over by the owner).
>
> /herb
--
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05-14-2007, 12:06 AM
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Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
LOL
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> You have met Lucas, Prince of Darkness.
>
> Earle
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>
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