Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
 

"XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns992F80AFCC7FCxs11eyahoocom@69.28.173.184.. .
> herb@urusei.net (Herb Leong) wrote:
>
> > In article <1178731433.061923.236850@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
> > nrs <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > #2) if it is obtained by separating from oxygen in water, then it
> > takes #more energy to seperate than you get back by burning.
> > Yes. That means you need a super-cheap source of electricity.
> > While solar panels are expensive, they are cheap to run (mostly
> > free--some soap and water to keep it clean and a regular going
> > over by the owner).
>
> I don't know for sure, but I've heard that solar panels require more
> energy to manufacture than they can produce over their entire life
> span.
>
> Anyone know if that's true or not?
>
I don't know either but this is the sort of thing that one hears about the
batteries and electronics in hybrid cars. In Albuquerque you can park for
free in city parking if you have one. That would almost make it worth
driving one.

Earle

Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
 

"XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns992F80AFCC7FCxs11eyahoocom@69.28.173.184.. .
> herb@urusei.net (Herb Leong) wrote:
>
> > In article <1178731433.061923.236850@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
> > nrs <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > #2) if it is obtained by separating from oxygen in water, then it
> > takes #more energy to seperate than you get back by burning.
> > Yes. That means you need a super-cheap source of electricity.
> > While solar panels are expensive, they are cheap to run (mostly
> > free--some soap and water to keep it clean and a regular going
> > over by the owner).
>
> I don't know for sure, but I've heard that solar panels require more
> energy to manufacture than they can produce over their entire life
> span.
>
> Anyone know if that's true or not?
>
I don't know either but this is the sort of thing that one hears about the
batteries and electronics in hybrid cars. In Albuquerque you can park for
free in city parking if you have one. That would almost make it worth
driving one.

Earle

Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
 

"XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns992F80AFCC7FCxs11eyahoocom@69.28.173.184.. .
> herb@urusei.net (Herb Leong) wrote:
>
> > In article <1178731433.061923.236850@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
> > nrs <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > #2) if it is obtained by separating from oxygen in water, then it
> > takes #more energy to seperate than you get back by burning.
> > Yes. That means you need a super-cheap source of electricity.
> > While solar panels are expensive, they are cheap to run (mostly
> > free--some soap and water to keep it clean and a regular going
> > over by the owner).
>
> I don't know for sure, but I've heard that solar panels require more
> energy to manufacture than they can produce over their entire life
> span.
>
> Anyone know if that's true or not?
>
I don't know either but this is the sort of thing that one hears about the
batteries and electronics in hybrid cars. In Albuquerque you can park for
free in city parking if you have one. That would almost make it worth
driving one.

Earle

Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
 

"Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote:

> "XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns992F80AFCC7FCxs11eyahoocom@69.28.173.184.. .
>> herb@urusei.net (Herb Leong) wrote:
>> I don't know for sure, but I've heard that solar panels require
>> more energy to manufacture than they can produce over their
>> entire life span.
>>
>> Anyone know if that's true or not?
>>
> I don't know either but this is the sort of thing that one hears
> about the batteries and electronics in hybrid cars. In
> Albuquerque you can park for free in city parking if you have one.
> That would almost make it worth driving one.

Don't know, here they get to use the HOV lanes and that's worth
something.

The secret of having a hybrid is to sell it BEFORE the batteries go,
the batteries are often non-replaceable in that the cost of replacement
may exceeds the resale value of the car.

Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
 

"Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote:

> "XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns992F80AFCC7FCxs11eyahoocom@69.28.173.184.. .
>> herb@urusei.net (Herb Leong) wrote:
>> I don't know for sure, but I've heard that solar panels require
>> more energy to manufacture than they can produce over their
>> entire life span.
>>
>> Anyone know if that's true or not?
>>
> I don't know either but this is the sort of thing that one hears
> about the batteries and electronics in hybrid cars. In
> Albuquerque you can park for free in city parking if you have one.
> That would almost make it worth driving one.

Don't know, here they get to use the HOV lanes and that's worth
something.

The secret of having a hybrid is to sell it BEFORE the batteries go,
the batteries are often non-replaceable in that the cost of replacement
may exceeds the resale value of the car.

Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
 

"Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote:

> "XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns992F80AFCC7FCxs11eyahoocom@69.28.173.184.. .
>> herb@urusei.net (Herb Leong) wrote:
>> I don't know for sure, but I've heard that solar panels require
>> more energy to manufacture than they can produce over their
>> entire life span.
>>
>> Anyone know if that's true or not?
>>
> I don't know either but this is the sort of thing that one hears
> about the batteries and electronics in hybrid cars. In
> Albuquerque you can park for free in city parking if you have one.
> That would almost make it worth driving one.

Don't know, here they get to use the HOV lanes and that's worth
something.

The secret of having a hybrid is to sell it BEFORE the batteries go,
the batteries are often non-replaceable in that the cost of replacement
may exceeds the resale value of the car.

Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
 

"Earle Horton" <earle@angloburgues.usa> wrote:

> "XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns992F80AFCC7FCxs11eyahoocom@69.28.173.184.. .
>> herb@urusei.net (Herb Leong) wrote:
>> I don't know for sure, but I've heard that solar panels require
>> more energy to manufacture than they can produce over their
>> entire life span.
>>
>> Anyone know if that's true or not?
>>
> I don't know either but this is the sort of thing that one hears
> about the batteries and electronics in hybrid cars. In
> Albuquerque you can park for free in city parking if you have one.
> That would almost make it worth driving one.

Don't know, here they get to use the HOV lanes and that's worth
something.

The secret of having a hybrid is to sell it BEFORE the batteries go,
the batteries are often non-replaceable in that the cost of replacement
may exceeds the resale value of the car.

Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
 

On Sun, 13 May 2007 12:39:01 -0700, in rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys,
XS11E <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

>herb@urusei.net (Herb Leong) wrote:
>
>> In article <1178731433.061923.236850@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
>> nrs <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> #2) if it is obtained by separating from oxygen in water, then it
>> takes #more energy to seperate than you get back by burning.
>> Yes. That means you need a super-cheap source of electricity.
>> While solar panels are expensive, they are cheap to run (mostly
>> free--some soap and water to keep it clean and a regular going
>> over by the owner).
>
>I don't know for sure, but I've heard that solar panels require more
>energy to manufacture than they can produce over their entire life
>span.
>
>Anyone know if that's true or not?

not true.


--
Ak'toh'di

Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
 

On Sun, 13 May 2007 12:39:01 -0700, in rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys,
XS11E <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

>herb@urusei.net (Herb Leong) wrote:
>
>> In article <1178731433.061923.236850@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
>> nrs <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> #2) if it is obtained by separating from oxygen in water, then it
>> takes #more energy to seperate than you get back by burning.
>> Yes. That means you need a super-cheap source of electricity.
>> While solar panels are expensive, they are cheap to run (mostly
>> free--some soap and water to keep it clean and a regular going
>> over by the owner).
>
>I don't know for sure, but I've heard that solar panels require more
>energy to manufacture than they can produce over their entire life
>span.
>
>Anyone know if that's true or not?

not true.


--
Ak'toh'di

Re: 98 Jeep Wrangler and E85 fuel
 

On Sun, 13 May 2007 12:39:01 -0700, in rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys,
XS11E <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

>herb@urusei.net (Herb Leong) wrote:
>
>> In article <1178731433.061923.236850@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups. com>,
>> nrs <neale_rs@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> #2) if it is obtained by separating from oxygen in water, then it
>> takes #more energy to seperate than you get back by burning.
>> Yes. That means you need a super-cheap source of electricity.
>> While solar panels are expensive, they are cheap to run (mostly
>> free--some soap and water to keep it clean and a regular going
>> over by the owner).
>
>I don't know for sure, but I've heard that solar panels require more
>energy to manufacture than they can produce over their entire life
>span.
>
>Anyone know if that's true or not?

not true.


--
Ak'toh'di