98 GRAND CHEROKEE BATTERY BEING DRAINED
05-09-2005, 08:01 PM
#91
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Re: 98 GRAND CHEROKEE BATTERY BEING DRAINED Part 2
On Mon, 9 May 2005 17:11:47 -0400, "JEEPR" <YJJPS@nospam@yahoo.ca>
wrote:
>Well ----
>
>As I said I have no intentions of flaming any one, I'm just talking from
>first hand experience. If sitting in an office as a director gives you
>first hand knowledge than good for you.
>Really can't top a trip to the moon Cliff yer I mean ----.
>I only started the thread looking for some help, and you sure have offered
>up quite a bit so I want to say thanks for all your insight.
>I'll be starting a new thread on the electrical problem be looking for your
>comments.
Being a supervisor/manager/director is not all sitting in offices.
For example, when I set up a calibration laboratory in one of my
facilities which would be traceable to the then National Bureau of
Standards, I did it all. Determined the equipment required, helped
install it and trained the technicians. As a quality assurance
manager I wrote all the procedures for the q.a. manual. When problems
developed in customer's products for a commercial company, it was me
that went out into the field with equipment to do the repairs. I
didn't start out as a director. I worked my way up the hard way
getting my hands very dirty along the way. I did most of it with only
a high school education, which included becoming a rated, flying
officer in the Air Force. I didn't graduate from college until I was
41. It is also very difficult to be a good director of anything
unless you already know a lot about it.
I am only trying to help someone who has asked for help. I worked for
40 years before I retired, and I enjoy passing on what I have learned
along the way to others who may not have had the experience or
education that I have been exposed to in my career. I can't force
anyone to accept help.
----
wrote:
>Well ----
>
>As I said I have no intentions of flaming any one, I'm just talking from
>first hand experience. If sitting in an office as a director gives you
>first hand knowledge than good for you.
>Really can't top a trip to the moon Cliff yer I mean ----.
>I only started the thread looking for some help, and you sure have offered
>up quite a bit so I want to say thanks for all your insight.
>I'll be starting a new thread on the electrical problem be looking for your
>comments.
Being a supervisor/manager/director is not all sitting in offices.
For example, when I set up a calibration laboratory in one of my
facilities which would be traceable to the then National Bureau of
Standards, I did it all. Determined the equipment required, helped
install it and trained the technicians. As a quality assurance
manager I wrote all the procedures for the q.a. manual. When problems
developed in customer's products for a commercial company, it was me
that went out into the field with equipment to do the repairs. I
didn't start out as a director. I worked my way up the hard way
getting my hands very dirty along the way. I did most of it with only
a high school education, which included becoming a rated, flying
officer in the Air Force. I didn't graduate from college until I was
41. It is also very difficult to be a good director of anything
unless you already know a lot about it.
I am only trying to help someone who has asked for help. I worked for
40 years before I retired, and I enjoy passing on what I have learned
along the way to others who may not have had the experience or
education that I have been exposed to in my career. I can't force
anyone to accept help.
----
05-09-2005, 08:01 PM
#92
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Re: 98 GRAND CHEROKEE BATTERY BEING DRAINED Part 2
On Mon, 9 May 2005 17:11:47 -0400, "JEEPR" <YJJPS@nospam@yahoo.ca>
wrote:
>Well ----
>
>As I said I have no intentions of flaming any one, I'm just talking from
>first hand experience. If sitting in an office as a director gives you
>first hand knowledge than good for you.
>Really can't top a trip to the moon Cliff yer I mean ----.
>I only started the thread looking for some help, and you sure have offered
>up quite a bit so I want to say thanks for all your insight.
>I'll be starting a new thread on the electrical problem be looking for your
>comments.
Being a supervisor/manager/director is not all sitting in offices.
For example, when I set up a calibration laboratory in one of my
facilities which would be traceable to the then National Bureau of
Standards, I did it all. Determined the equipment required, helped
install it and trained the technicians. As a quality assurance
manager I wrote all the procedures for the q.a. manual. When problems
developed in customer's products for a commercial company, it was me
that went out into the field with equipment to do the repairs. I
didn't start out as a director. I worked my way up the hard way
getting my hands very dirty along the way. I did most of it with only
a high school education, which included becoming a rated, flying
officer in the Air Force. I didn't graduate from college until I was
41. It is also very difficult to be a good director of anything
unless you already know a lot about it.
I am only trying to help someone who has asked for help. I worked for
40 years before I retired, and I enjoy passing on what I have learned
along the way to others who may not have had the experience or
education that I have been exposed to in my career. I can't force
anyone to accept help.
----
wrote:
>Well ----
>
>As I said I have no intentions of flaming any one, I'm just talking from
>first hand experience. If sitting in an office as a director gives you
>first hand knowledge than good for you.
>Really can't top a trip to the moon Cliff yer I mean ----.
>I only started the thread looking for some help, and you sure have offered
>up quite a bit so I want to say thanks for all your insight.
>I'll be starting a new thread on the electrical problem be looking for your
>comments.
Being a supervisor/manager/director is not all sitting in offices.
For example, when I set up a calibration laboratory in one of my
facilities which would be traceable to the then National Bureau of
Standards, I did it all. Determined the equipment required, helped
install it and trained the technicians. As a quality assurance
manager I wrote all the procedures for the q.a. manual. When problems
developed in customer's products for a commercial company, it was me
that went out into the field with equipment to do the repairs. I
didn't start out as a director. I worked my way up the hard way
getting my hands very dirty along the way. I did most of it with only
a high school education, which included becoming a rated, flying
officer in the Air Force. I didn't graduate from college until I was
41. It is also very difficult to be a good director of anything
unless you already know a lot about it.
I am only trying to help someone who has asked for help. I worked for
40 years before I retired, and I enjoy passing on what I have learned
along the way to others who may not have had the experience or
education that I have been exposed to in my career. I can't force
anyone to accept help.
----
05-09-2005, 08:01 PM
#93
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Re: 98 GRAND CHEROKEE BATTERY BEING DRAINED Part 2
On Mon, 9 May 2005 17:11:47 -0400, "JEEPR" <YJJPS@nospam@yahoo.ca>
wrote:
>Well ----
>
>As I said I have no intentions of flaming any one, I'm just talking from
>first hand experience. If sitting in an office as a director gives you
>first hand knowledge than good for you.
>Really can't top a trip to the moon Cliff yer I mean ----.
>I only started the thread looking for some help, and you sure have offered
>up quite a bit so I want to say thanks for all your insight.
>I'll be starting a new thread on the electrical problem be looking for your
>comments.
Being a supervisor/manager/director is not all sitting in offices.
For example, when I set up a calibration laboratory in one of my
facilities which would be traceable to the then National Bureau of
Standards, I did it all. Determined the equipment required, helped
install it and trained the technicians. As a quality assurance
manager I wrote all the procedures for the q.a. manual. When problems
developed in customer's products for a commercial company, it was me
that went out into the field with equipment to do the repairs. I
didn't start out as a director. I worked my way up the hard way
getting my hands very dirty along the way. I did most of it with only
a high school education, which included becoming a rated, flying
officer in the Air Force. I didn't graduate from college until I was
41. It is also very difficult to be a good director of anything
unless you already know a lot about it.
I am only trying to help someone who has asked for help. I worked for
40 years before I retired, and I enjoy passing on what I have learned
along the way to others who may not have had the experience or
education that I have been exposed to in my career. I can't force
anyone to accept help.
----
wrote:
>Well ----
>
>As I said I have no intentions of flaming any one, I'm just talking from
>first hand experience. If sitting in an office as a director gives you
>first hand knowledge than good for you.
>Really can't top a trip to the moon Cliff yer I mean ----.
>I only started the thread looking for some help, and you sure have offered
>up quite a bit so I want to say thanks for all your insight.
>I'll be starting a new thread on the electrical problem be looking for your
>comments.
Being a supervisor/manager/director is not all sitting in offices.
For example, when I set up a calibration laboratory in one of my
facilities which would be traceable to the then National Bureau of
Standards, I did it all. Determined the equipment required, helped
install it and trained the technicians. As a quality assurance
manager I wrote all the procedures for the q.a. manual. When problems
developed in customer's products for a commercial company, it was me
that went out into the field with equipment to do the repairs. I
didn't start out as a director. I worked my way up the hard way
getting my hands very dirty along the way. I did most of it with only
a high school education, which included becoming a rated, flying
officer in the Air Force. I didn't graduate from college until I was
41. It is also very difficult to be a good director of anything
unless you already know a lot about it.
I am only trying to help someone who has asked for help. I worked for
40 years before I retired, and I enjoy passing on what I have learned
along the way to others who may not have had the experience or
education that I have been exposed to in my career. I can't force
anyone to accept help.
----
05-09-2005, 09:10 PM
#94
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Re: 98 GRAND CHEROKEE BATTERY BEING DRAINED Part 2
the acceptable spec for a draw on a grnd is .035 volts any mnore thatn
that can kill a battery
DougW wrote:
> Just to claify a few things.
>
> All batteries have a power curve and it varies from
> model to model. Here is one for a standard AA battery. (e91)
> http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/e91.pdf
>
> Flip to the second page and look at constant power discharge.
>
> (I went through a lot of this figuring out what batteries
> would last longer in my GPS unit) The Energizer and e2
> profiles are almost identical so the only thing you got
> when paying out the noze for an e2 was a warm fuzzy.
>
> Anyhoo, back on line...
>
> Feel like watching a slide show?
> http://nms.csail.mit.edu/fun/battery.ppt
>
> Optima self-discharge curve.
> http://www.dcbattery.com/optima_self...rge_curve.html
>
> Hope that helps clear things up.
>
> The only sure way to test a car battery is a load
> test. Most PepBoys and probably C-Tire (Tyre?) :)
> will have a setup. This is a computer that charges
> the battery then does a controlled and timed discharge.
>
> FWIW, I've brought dead cell batteries back to life by
> using a charger (high amp) and a volt meter to bring the
> battery up to the service maximum 5-10 times in a row
> and then using a low amp trickle till all cells bubbled
> the same. I don't suggest doing this without eye
> protection because you will bubble the cells quite a
> bit and that's acid that is popping out even if you can't
> see the microsopic drops.
>
> --
> DougW
> And his portable soapbox.
that can kill a battery
DougW wrote:
> Just to claify a few things.
>
> All batteries have a power curve and it varies from
> model to model. Here is one for a standard AA battery. (e91)
> http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/e91.pdf
>
> Flip to the second page and look at constant power discharge.
>
> (I went through a lot of this figuring out what batteries
> would last longer in my GPS unit) The Energizer and e2
> profiles are almost identical so the only thing you got
> when paying out the noze for an e2 was a warm fuzzy.
>
> Anyhoo, back on line...
>
> Feel like watching a slide show?
> http://nms.csail.mit.edu/fun/battery.ppt
>
> Optima self-discharge curve.
> http://www.dcbattery.com/optima_self...rge_curve.html
>
> Hope that helps clear things up.
>
> The only sure way to test a car battery is a load
> test. Most PepBoys and probably C-Tire (Tyre?) :)
> will have a setup. This is a computer that charges
> the battery then does a controlled and timed discharge.
>
> FWIW, I've brought dead cell batteries back to life by
> using a charger (high amp) and a volt meter to bring the
> battery up to the service maximum 5-10 times in a row
> and then using a low amp trickle till all cells bubbled
> the same. I don't suggest doing this without eye
> protection because you will bubble the cells quite a
> bit and that's acid that is popping out even if you can't
> see the microsopic drops.
>
> --
> DougW
> And his portable soapbox.
05-09-2005, 09:10 PM
#95
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Re: 98 GRAND CHEROKEE BATTERY BEING DRAINED Part 2
the acceptable spec for a draw on a grnd is .035 volts any mnore thatn
that can kill a battery
DougW wrote:
> Just to claify a few things.
>
> All batteries have a power curve and it varies from
> model to model. Here is one for a standard AA battery. (e91)
> http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/e91.pdf
>
> Flip to the second page and look at constant power discharge.
>
> (I went through a lot of this figuring out what batteries
> would last longer in my GPS unit) The Energizer and e2
> profiles are almost identical so the only thing you got
> when paying out the noze for an e2 was a warm fuzzy.
>
> Anyhoo, back on line...
>
> Feel like watching a slide show?
> http://nms.csail.mit.edu/fun/battery.ppt
>
> Optima self-discharge curve.
> http://www.dcbattery.com/optima_self...rge_curve.html
>
> Hope that helps clear things up.
>
> The only sure way to test a car battery is a load
> test. Most PepBoys and probably C-Tire (Tyre?) :)
> will have a setup. This is a computer that charges
> the battery then does a controlled and timed discharge.
>
> FWIW, I've brought dead cell batteries back to life by
> using a charger (high amp) and a volt meter to bring the
> battery up to the service maximum 5-10 times in a row
> and then using a low amp trickle till all cells bubbled
> the same. I don't suggest doing this without eye
> protection because you will bubble the cells quite a
> bit and that's acid that is popping out even if you can't
> see the microsopic drops.
>
> --
> DougW
> And his portable soapbox.
that can kill a battery
DougW wrote:
> Just to claify a few things.
>
> All batteries have a power curve and it varies from
> model to model. Here is one for a standard AA battery. (e91)
> http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/e91.pdf
>
> Flip to the second page and look at constant power discharge.
>
> (I went through a lot of this figuring out what batteries
> would last longer in my GPS unit) The Energizer and e2
> profiles are almost identical so the only thing you got
> when paying out the noze for an e2 was a warm fuzzy.
>
> Anyhoo, back on line...
>
> Feel like watching a slide show?
> http://nms.csail.mit.edu/fun/battery.ppt
>
> Optima self-discharge curve.
> http://www.dcbattery.com/optima_self...rge_curve.html
>
> Hope that helps clear things up.
>
> The only sure way to test a car battery is a load
> test. Most PepBoys and probably C-Tire (Tyre?) :)
> will have a setup. This is a computer that charges
> the battery then does a controlled and timed discharge.
>
> FWIW, I've brought dead cell batteries back to life by
> using a charger (high amp) and a volt meter to bring the
> battery up to the service maximum 5-10 times in a row
> and then using a low amp trickle till all cells bubbled
> the same. I don't suggest doing this without eye
> protection because you will bubble the cells quite a
> bit and that's acid that is popping out even if you can't
> see the microsopic drops.
>
> --
> DougW
> And his portable soapbox.
05-09-2005, 09:10 PM
#96
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Re: 98 GRAND CHEROKEE BATTERY BEING DRAINED Part 2
the acceptable spec for a draw on a grnd is .035 volts any mnore thatn
that can kill a battery
DougW wrote:
> Just to claify a few things.
>
> All batteries have a power curve and it varies from
> model to model. Here is one for a standard AA battery. (e91)
> http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/e91.pdf
>
> Flip to the second page and look at constant power discharge.
>
> (I went through a lot of this figuring out what batteries
> would last longer in my GPS unit) The Energizer and e2
> profiles are almost identical so the only thing you got
> when paying out the noze for an e2 was a warm fuzzy.
>
> Anyhoo, back on line...
>
> Feel like watching a slide show?
> http://nms.csail.mit.edu/fun/battery.ppt
>
> Optima self-discharge curve.
> http://www.dcbattery.com/optima_self...rge_curve.html
>
> Hope that helps clear things up.
>
> The only sure way to test a car battery is a load
> test. Most PepBoys and probably C-Tire (Tyre?) :)
> will have a setup. This is a computer that charges
> the battery then does a controlled and timed discharge.
>
> FWIW, I've brought dead cell batteries back to life by
> using a charger (high amp) and a volt meter to bring the
> battery up to the service maximum 5-10 times in a row
> and then using a low amp trickle till all cells bubbled
> the same. I don't suggest doing this without eye
> protection because you will bubble the cells quite a
> bit and that's acid that is popping out even if you can't
> see the microsopic drops.
>
> --
> DougW
> And his portable soapbox.
that can kill a battery
DougW wrote:
> Just to claify a few things.
>
> All batteries have a power curve and it varies from
> model to model. Here is one for a standard AA battery. (e91)
> http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/e91.pdf
>
> Flip to the second page and look at constant power discharge.
>
> (I went through a lot of this figuring out what batteries
> would last longer in my GPS unit) The Energizer and e2
> profiles are almost identical so the only thing you got
> when paying out the noze for an e2 was a warm fuzzy.
>
> Anyhoo, back on line...
>
> Feel like watching a slide show?
> http://nms.csail.mit.edu/fun/battery.ppt
>
> Optima self-discharge curve.
> http://www.dcbattery.com/optima_self...rge_curve.html
>
> Hope that helps clear things up.
>
> The only sure way to test a car battery is a load
> test. Most PepBoys and probably C-Tire (Tyre?) :)
> will have a setup. This is a computer that charges
> the battery then does a controlled and timed discharge.
>
> FWIW, I've brought dead cell batteries back to life by
> using a charger (high amp) and a volt meter to bring the
> battery up to the service maximum 5-10 times in a row
> and then using a low amp trickle till all cells bubbled
> the same. I don't suggest doing this without eye
> protection because you will bubble the cells quite a
> bit and that's acid that is popping out even if you can't
> see the microsopic drops.
>
> --
> DougW
> And his portable soapbox.
05-09-2005, 09:10 PM
#97
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Re: 98 GRAND CHEROKEE BATTERY BEING DRAINED Part 2
the acceptable spec for a draw on a grnd is .035 volts any mnore thatn
that can kill a battery
DougW wrote:
> Just to claify a few things.
>
> All batteries have a power curve and it varies from
> model to model. Here is one for a standard AA battery. (e91)
> http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/e91.pdf
>
> Flip to the second page and look at constant power discharge.
>
> (I went through a lot of this figuring out what batteries
> would last longer in my GPS unit) The Energizer and e2
> profiles are almost identical so the only thing you got
> when paying out the noze for an e2 was a warm fuzzy.
>
> Anyhoo, back on line...
>
> Feel like watching a slide show?
> http://nms.csail.mit.edu/fun/battery.ppt
>
> Optima self-discharge curve.
> http://www.dcbattery.com/optima_self...rge_curve.html
>
> Hope that helps clear things up.
>
> The only sure way to test a car battery is a load
> test. Most PepBoys and probably C-Tire (Tyre?) :)
> will have a setup. This is a computer that charges
> the battery then does a controlled and timed discharge.
>
> FWIW, I've brought dead cell batteries back to life by
> using a charger (high amp) and a volt meter to bring the
> battery up to the service maximum 5-10 times in a row
> and then using a low amp trickle till all cells bubbled
> the same. I don't suggest doing this without eye
> protection because you will bubble the cells quite a
> bit and that's acid that is popping out even if you can't
> see the microsopic drops.
>
> --
> DougW
> And his portable soapbox.
that can kill a battery
DougW wrote:
> Just to claify a few things.
>
> All batteries have a power curve and it varies from
> model to model. Here is one for a standard AA battery. (e91)
> http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/e91.pdf
>
> Flip to the second page and look at constant power discharge.
>
> (I went through a lot of this figuring out what batteries
> would last longer in my GPS unit) The Energizer and e2
> profiles are almost identical so the only thing you got
> when paying out the noze for an e2 was a warm fuzzy.
>
> Anyhoo, back on line...
>
> Feel like watching a slide show?
> http://nms.csail.mit.edu/fun/battery.ppt
>
> Optima self-discharge curve.
> http://www.dcbattery.com/optima_self...rge_curve.html
>
> Hope that helps clear things up.
>
> The only sure way to test a car battery is a load
> test. Most PepBoys and probably C-Tire (Tyre?) :)
> will have a setup. This is a computer that charges
> the battery then does a controlled and timed discharge.
>
> FWIW, I've brought dead cell batteries back to life by
> using a charger (high amp) and a volt meter to bring the
> battery up to the service maximum 5-10 times in a row
> and then using a low amp trickle till all cells bubbled
> the same. I don't suggest doing this without eye
> protection because you will bubble the cells quite a
> bit and that's acid that is popping out even if you can't
> see the microsopic drops.
>
> --
> DougW
> And his portable soapbox.
05-11-2005, 11:51 AM
#98
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Re: 98 GRAND CHEROKEE BATTERY BEING DRAINED
'They' made a whole mess of computer chips that will blow up with that
meter Bill. 'They' decided you need a DMM (digital multimeter) to work
on the new electronics.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> My twenty year old Radio Shack analog is pretty sensitive:
> http://members.aol.com/LW------3rd/voltmeter.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> DougW wrote:
> >
> > Make that a digital volt meter, the analog ones arn't safe for using
> > on some sensors.
meter Bill. 'They' decided you need a DMM (digital multimeter) to work
on the new electronics.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> My twenty year old Radio Shack analog is pretty sensitive:
> http://members.aol.com/LW------3rd/voltmeter.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> DougW wrote:
> >
> > Make that a digital volt meter, the analog ones arn't safe for using
> > on some sensors.
05-11-2005, 11:51 AM
#99
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Re: 98 GRAND CHEROKEE BATTERY BEING DRAINED
'They' made a whole mess of computer chips that will blow up with that
meter Bill. 'They' decided you need a DMM (digital multimeter) to work
on the new electronics.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> My twenty year old Radio Shack analog is pretty sensitive:
> http://members.aol.com/LW------3rd/voltmeter.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> DougW wrote:
> >
> > Make that a digital volt meter, the analog ones arn't safe for using
> > on some sensors.
meter Bill. 'They' decided you need a DMM (digital multimeter) to work
on the new electronics.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> My twenty year old Radio Shack analog is pretty sensitive:
> http://members.aol.com/LW------3rd/voltmeter.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> DougW wrote:
> >
> > Make that a digital volt meter, the analog ones arn't safe for using
> > on some sensors.
05-11-2005, 11:51 AM
#100
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Re: 98 GRAND CHEROKEE BATTERY BEING DRAINED
'They' made a whole mess of computer chips that will blow up with that
meter Bill. 'They' decided you need a DMM (digital multimeter) to work
on the new electronics.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> My twenty year old Radio Shack analog is pretty sensitive:
> http://members.aol.com/LW------3rd/voltmeter.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> DougW wrote:
> >
> > Make that a digital volt meter, the analog ones arn't safe for using
> > on some sensors.
meter Bill. 'They' decided you need a DMM (digital multimeter) to work
on the new electronics.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> My twenty year old Radio Shack analog is pretty sensitive:
> http://members.aol.com/LW------3rd/voltmeter.jpg
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> DougW wrote:
> >
> > Make that a digital volt meter, the analog ones arn't safe for using
> > on some sensors.