Frank_v7.0 wrote:
> bspear78 wrote:
>> On Jun 4, 2:54 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>> The throttle position sensor controls the idle speed and the shift
>>> points. It is known to get a bad connection and sometimes wear out.
>>> The best is a spray electronic contact cleaner, but WD40 will do in a
>>> pinch. I like to use dielectric grease on the plug's seal skirts to
>>> help keep it clean. We had to do ours every couple years for the last
>>> ten, but it saw lots of dirt and mud.
>>>
>>> I also recommend cleaning and greasing the other sensor connections,
>>> especially the CPS one which is also known for it's bad connection
>>> issue. That causes up and stalls though, not rough.
>>>
>>> Can you not get the fault codes on that with the key switch? You go on,
>>> off, on, off, on with the key just to the run position, not the starter,
>>> then count the flashes. The last two will be a 5 and a 5 or 55 for end
>>> of codes.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bspear78 wrote:
>>>> Was wondering if anyone had any ideas about this. I have a 97 tj
>>>> automatic and for about 2-3 months it has been sputtering and
>>>> sometimes stalling when I am idleing in traffic. it happens maybe once
>>>> or twice a day. it also seems like when this happens and I start to go
>>>> it is slipping gears then recovers and is fine. I have had it into 2
>>>> places and nobody can figure this out. It has also been leaking from
>>>> near the transfer case for about a month. Transmission fluid is fine.
>>>> Idle is fine. Anyone heard of this happening. i am almost about to
>>>> take it to the dealership but REALLY do not want to do that. thanks
>>>> Bryan
>>>> 97 TJ- Hide quoted text -
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> The check engine light is not on, will I still get a diagnostic
>> reading by doing the on, off, on, off, on trick?
>>
>> and, does anyone know what the number would be for the throttle
>> position sensor?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> P0120 TPS Performance
> P0121 TPS Sensor Circuit Insufficient Activity
> P0122 TPS Circuit Low Voltage
> P0123 TPS Circuit High Voltage
> P0124 TPS Circuit Intermittent
>
> And I think the key turn sequence is ON-Accessory-ON-Accessory-ON, but
> it's been a while (got a scanner to read fault codes).
>
>

You turn the key backward to get codes? Not on any I have seen, but I
haven't seen them all.

The first forward click of the key is just the steering lock off, not Acc.

Mike

 

Mike Romain wrote:
> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>> bspear78 wrote:
>>> On Jun 4, 2:54 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>> The throttle position sensor controls the idle speed and the shift
>>>> points. It is known to get a bad connection and sometimes wear out.
>>>> The best is a spray electronic contact cleaner, but WD40 will do in a
>>>> pinch. I like to use dielectric grease on the plug's seal skirts to
>>>> help keep it clean. We had to do ours every couple years for the last
>>>> ten, but it saw lots of dirt and mud.
>>>>
>>>> I also recommend cleaning and greasing the other sensor connections,
>>>> especially the CPS one which is also known for it's bad connection
>>>> issue. That causes up and stalls though, not rough.
>>>>
>>>> Can you not get the fault codes on that with the key switch? You go
>>>> on,
>>>> off, on, off, on with the key just to the run position, not the
>>>> starter,
>>>> then count the flashes. The last two will be a 5 and a 5 or 55 for end
>>>> of codes.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
>>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> bspear78 wrote:
>>>>> Was wondering if anyone had any ideas about this. I have a 97 tj
>>>>> automatic and for about 2-3 months it has been sputtering and
>>>>> sometimes stalling when I am idleing in traffic. it happens maybe once
>>>>> or twice a day. it also seems like when this happens and I start to go
>>>>> it is slipping gears then recovers and is fine. I have had it into 2
>>>>> places and nobody can figure this out. It has also been leaking from
>>>>> near the transfer case for about a month. Transmission fluid is fine.
>>>>> Idle is fine. Anyone heard of this happening. i am almost about to
>>>>> take it to the dealership but REALLY do not want to do that. thanks
>>>>> Bryan
>>>>> 97 TJ- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> The check engine light is not on, will I still get a diagnostic
>>> reading by doing the on, off, on, off, on trick?
>>>
>>> and, does anyone know what the number would be for the throttle
>>> position sensor?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> P0120 TPS Performance
>> P0121 TPS Sensor Circuit Insufficient Activity
>> P0122 TPS Circuit Low Voltage
>> P0123 TPS Circuit High Voltage
>> P0124 TPS Circuit Intermittent
>>
>> And I think the key turn sequence is ON-Accessory-ON-Accessory-ON, but
>> it's been a while (got a scanner to read fault codes).
>>
>>
>
> You turn the key backward to get codes? Not on any I have seen, but I
> haven't seen them all.
>
> The first forward click of the key is just the steering lock off, not Acc.
>
> Mike
On my '04 TJ you turn "backwards" to the accessory position (run the
radio/tape/CD without having ignition on). Like you said the first turn
"forward" just unlocks the steering column. I know I've had some
vehicles where the accessory setting was a "forward" turn. I just
figured since he had a '97 TJ it would be similar to mine.

--
FRH

 

Mike Romain wrote:
> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>> bspear78 wrote:
>>> On Jun 4, 2:54 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>> The throttle position sensor controls the idle speed and the shift
>>>> points. It is known to get a bad connection and sometimes wear out.
>>>> The best is a spray electronic contact cleaner, but WD40 will do in a
>>>> pinch. I like to use dielectric grease on the plug's seal skirts to
>>>> help keep it clean. We had to do ours every couple years for the last
>>>> ten, but it saw lots of dirt and mud.
>>>>
>>>> I also recommend cleaning and greasing the other sensor connections,
>>>> especially the CPS one which is also known for it's bad connection
>>>> issue. That causes up and stalls though, not rough.
>>>>
>>>> Can you not get the fault codes on that with the key switch? You go
>>>> on,
>>>> off, on, off, on with the key just to the run position, not the
>>>> starter,
>>>> then count the flashes. The last two will be a 5 and a 5 or 55 for end
>>>> of codes.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
>>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> bspear78 wrote:
>>>>> Was wondering if anyone had any ideas about this. I have a 97 tj
>>>>> automatic and for about 2-3 months it has been sputtering and
>>>>> sometimes stalling when I am idleing in traffic. it happens maybe once
>>>>> or twice a day. it also seems like when this happens and I start to go
>>>>> it is slipping gears then recovers and is fine. I have had it into 2
>>>>> places and nobody can figure this out. It has also been leaking from
>>>>> near the transfer case for about a month. Transmission fluid is fine.
>>>>> Idle is fine. Anyone heard of this happening. i am almost about to
>>>>> take it to the dealership but REALLY do not want to do that. thanks
>>>>> Bryan
>>>>> 97 TJ- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> The check engine light is not on, will I still get a diagnostic
>>> reading by doing the on, off, on, off, on trick?
>>>
>>> and, does anyone know what the number would be for the throttle
>>> position sensor?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> P0120 TPS Performance
>> P0121 TPS Sensor Circuit Insufficient Activity
>> P0122 TPS Circuit Low Voltage
>> P0123 TPS Circuit High Voltage
>> P0124 TPS Circuit Intermittent
>>
>> And I think the key turn sequence is ON-Accessory-ON-Accessory-ON, but
>> it's been a while (got a scanner to read fault codes).
>>
>>
>
> You turn the key backward to get codes? Not on any I have seen, but I
> haven't seen them all.
>
> The first forward click of the key is just the steering lock off, not Acc.
>
> Mike
On my '04 TJ you turn "backwards" to the accessory position (run the
radio/tape/CD without having ignition on). Like you said the first turn
"forward" just unlocks the steering column. I know I've had some
vehicles where the accessory setting was a "forward" turn. I just
figured since he had a '97 TJ it would be similar to mine.

--
FRH

 

Mike Romain wrote:
> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>> bspear78 wrote:
>>> On Jun 4, 2:54 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>> The throttle position sensor controls the idle speed and the shift
>>>> points. It is known to get a bad connection and sometimes wear out.
>>>> The best is a spray electronic contact cleaner, but WD40 will do in a
>>>> pinch. I like to use dielectric grease on the plug's seal skirts to
>>>> help keep it clean. We had to do ours every couple years for the last
>>>> ten, but it saw lots of dirt and mud.
>>>>
>>>> I also recommend cleaning and greasing the other sensor connections,
>>>> especially the CPS one which is also known for it's bad connection
>>>> issue. That causes up and stalls though, not rough.
>>>>
>>>> Can you not get the fault codes on that with the key switch? You go
>>>> on,
>>>> off, on, off, on with the key just to the run position, not the
>>>> starter,
>>>> then count the flashes. The last two will be a 5 and a 5 or 55 for end
>>>> of codes.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
>>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> bspear78 wrote:
>>>>> Was wondering if anyone had any ideas about this. I have a 97 tj
>>>>> automatic and for about 2-3 months it has been sputtering and
>>>>> sometimes stalling when I am idleing in traffic. it happens maybe once
>>>>> or twice a day. it also seems like when this happens and I start to go
>>>>> it is slipping gears then recovers and is fine. I have had it into 2
>>>>> places and nobody can figure this out. It has also been leaking from
>>>>> near the transfer case for about a month. Transmission fluid is fine.
>>>>> Idle is fine. Anyone heard of this happening. i am almost about to
>>>>> take it to the dealership but REALLY do not want to do that. thanks
>>>>> Bryan
>>>>> 97 TJ- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> The check engine light is not on, will I still get a diagnostic
>>> reading by doing the on, off, on, off, on trick?
>>>
>>> and, does anyone know what the number would be for the throttle
>>> position sensor?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> P0120 TPS Performance
>> P0121 TPS Sensor Circuit Insufficient Activity
>> P0122 TPS Circuit Low Voltage
>> P0123 TPS Circuit High Voltage
>> P0124 TPS Circuit Intermittent
>>
>> And I think the key turn sequence is ON-Accessory-ON-Accessory-ON, but
>> it's been a while (got a scanner to read fault codes).
>>
>>
>
> You turn the key backward to get codes? Not on any I have seen, but I
> haven't seen them all.
>
> The first forward click of the key is just the steering lock off, not Acc.
>
> Mike
On my '04 TJ you turn "backwards" to the accessory position (run the
radio/tape/CD without having ignition on). Like you said the first turn
"forward" just unlocks the steering column. I know I've had some
vehicles where the accessory setting was a "forward" turn. I just
figured since he had a '97 TJ it would be similar to mine.

--
FRH

 

Mike Romain wrote:
> Frank_v7.0 wrote:
>> bspear78 wrote:
>>> On Jun 4, 2:54 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>> The throttle position sensor controls the idle speed and the shift
>>>> points. It is known to get a bad connection and sometimes wear out.
>>>> The best is a spray electronic contact cleaner, but WD40 will do in a
>>>> pinch. I like to use dielectric grease on the plug's seal skirts to
>>>> help keep it clean. We had to do ours every couple years for the last
>>>> ten, but it saw lots of dirt and mud.
>>>>
>>>> I also recommend cleaning and greasing the other sensor connections,
>>>> especially the CPS one which is also known for it's bad connection
>>>> issue. That causes up and stalls though, not rough.
>>>>
>>>> Can you not get the fault codes on that with the key switch? You go
>>>> on,
>>>> off, on, off, on with the key just to the run position, not the
>>>> starter,
>>>> then count the flashes. The last two will be a 5 and a 5 or 55 for end
>>>> of codes.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
>>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
>>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> bspear78 wrote:
>>>>> Was wondering if anyone had any ideas about this. I have a 97 tj
>>>>> automatic and for about 2-3 months it has been sputtering and
>>>>> sometimes stalling when I am idleing in traffic. it happens maybe once
>>>>> or twice a day. it also seems like when this happens and I start to go
>>>>> it is slipping gears then recovers and is fine. I have had it into 2
>>>>> places and nobody can figure this out. It has also been leaking from
>>>>> near the transfer case for about a month. Transmission fluid is fine.
>>>>> Idle is fine. Anyone heard of this happening. i am almost about to
>>>>> take it to the dealership but REALLY do not want to do that. thanks
>>>>> Bryan
>>>>> 97 TJ- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> The check engine light is not on, will I still get a diagnostic
>>> reading by doing the on, off, on, off, on trick?
>>>
>>> and, does anyone know what the number would be for the throttle
>>> position sensor?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> P0120 TPS Performance
>> P0121 TPS Sensor Circuit Insufficient Activity
>> P0122 TPS Circuit Low Voltage
>> P0123 TPS Circuit High Voltage
>> P0124 TPS Circuit Intermittent
>>
>> And I think the key turn sequence is ON-Accessory-ON-Accessory-ON, but
>> it's been a while (got a scanner to read fault codes).
>>
>>
>
> You turn the key backward to get codes? Not on any I have seen, but I
> haven't seen them all.
>
> The first forward click of the key is just the steering lock off, not Acc.
>
> Mike
On my '04 TJ you turn "backwards" to the accessory position (run the
radio/tape/CD without having ignition on). Like you said the first turn
"forward" just unlocks the steering column. I know I've had some
vehicles where the accessory setting was a "forward" turn. I just
figured since he had a '97 TJ it would be similar to mine.

--
FRH