Re: 94 Jeep Cherokee - part time 4wd Won't disengage
 

Vito,

I don't have one of these systems, but one of the symptoms, that you might
expect from a posi-traction unit, that needs the fluid changed, could be
grabbing similar to what you describe. Hopefully, what you are seeing is
just a sign of deferred maintenance. I would start by making sure that all
the fluids are of the proper type, clean, and at the proper level. In
practice, with a used vehicle that you have just bought, the only way to
know for sure is to change everything.

If you can contact the previous owner, that might shed some light. I have
had people contact me regarding vehicles I have sold or traded in, and I
didn't mind.

Earle

"Vito" <vito@crosslink.net> wrote in message
news:43c805a9$0$7300@dingus.crosslink.net...
> Happy thots )c: AFAIK it's always in 4WD as it has no 2WD poition.
Dealer
> said the transfer case had a unit similar to a 'posi-traction' between
front and
> rear that allowed enough slip or differential action to be driven on dry
> pavement but ???
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43C7BE86.95649877@sympatico.ca...
> > You have the part time system that 'will' break parts and/or actually
> > explode the transfer case into pieces if you try to use it on dry
> > pavement.
> >
> > Here in Canada, the passenger side sun visor has the directions on it.
> >
> > If it crabs when in 2 wheel drive, I would be inspecting the axle end
> > u-joints for a bad one.
> >
> > Mike
>
>

Re: 94 Jeep Cherokee - part time 4wd Won't disengage
 

Vito,

I don't have one of these systems, but one of the symptoms, that you might
expect from a posi-traction unit, that needs the fluid changed, could be
grabbing similar to what you describe. Hopefully, what you are seeing is
just a sign of deferred maintenance. I would start by making sure that all
the fluids are of the proper type, clean, and at the proper level. In
practice, with a used vehicle that you have just bought, the only way to
know for sure is to change everything.

If you can contact the previous owner, that might shed some light. I have
had people contact me regarding vehicles I have sold or traded in, and I
didn't mind.

Earle

"Vito" <vito@crosslink.net> wrote in message
news:43c805a9$0$7300@dingus.crosslink.net...
> Happy thots )c: AFAIK it's always in 4WD as it has no 2WD poition.
Dealer
> said the transfer case had a unit similar to a 'posi-traction' between
front and
> rear that allowed enough slip or differential action to be driven on dry
> pavement but ???
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43C7BE86.95649877@sympatico.ca...
> > You have the part time system that 'will' break parts and/or actually
> > explode the transfer case into pieces if you try to use it on dry
> > pavement.
> >
> > Here in Canada, the passenger side sun visor has the directions on it.
> >
> > If it crabs when in 2 wheel drive, I would be inspecting the axle end
> > u-joints for a bad one.
> >
> > Mike
>
>

Re: 94 Jeep Cherokee - part time 4wd Won't disengage
 

Vito,

I don't have one of these systems, but one of the symptoms, that you might
expect from a posi-traction unit, that needs the fluid changed, could be
grabbing similar to what you describe. Hopefully, what you are seeing is
just a sign of deferred maintenance. I would start by making sure that all
the fluids are of the proper type, clean, and at the proper level. In
practice, with a used vehicle that you have just bought, the only way to
know for sure is to change everything.

If you can contact the previous owner, that might shed some light. I have
had people contact me regarding vehicles I have sold or traded in, and I
didn't mind.

Earle

"Vito" <vito@crosslink.net> wrote in message
news:43c805a9$0$7300@dingus.crosslink.net...
> Happy thots )c: AFAIK it's always in 4WD as it has no 2WD poition.
Dealer
> said the transfer case had a unit similar to a 'posi-traction' between
front and
> rear that allowed enough slip or differential action to be driven on dry
> pavement but ???
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43C7BE86.95649877@sympatico.ca...
> > You have the part time system that 'will' break parts and/or actually
> > explode the transfer case into pieces if you try to use it on dry
> > pavement.
> >
> > Here in Canada, the passenger side sun visor has the directions on it.
> >
> > If it crabs when in 2 wheel drive, I would be inspecting the axle end
> > u-joints for a bad one.
> >
> > Mike
>
>

Re: 97 Jeep Cherokee 4wd - 4wd Won't disengage
 

Ouch! Picture worth 1000 words!

Seahag

"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:398$43c7d260$4831b233$29145@FUSE.NET...
> Pix with the result s of driving in part time 4Hi on
> pavement.
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2117998494
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43C7BFDD.29D94143@sympatico.ca...
>> If you use the part time 4x4 on anything except dirt or
>> snow, the
>> drivetrain will bind up. This will hold it in 4x4 until
>> you reverse or
>> spin the tires or until it explodes something. I got
>> stuck in 4x4
>> recently with no way to get off the highway for a few
>> miles and was
>> lucky, I only exploded a front driveshaft u-joint. My
>> old tenant did
>> the same and exploded his transfer case into little
>> pieces.
>>
>> I find with my high traction tires, I can even get bound
>> up on dirt and
>> need to spin my tires in reverse to let it loose.
>>
>> What happens is the front wheels take longer to go around
>> a corner that
>> the rear wheels so a tire 'must' scuff the ground because
>> the front and
>> rear driveshafts are locked together. If the tire can't
>> scuff,
>> something breaks.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
>> '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still
>> view!
>> Jan/06
>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>> Madonna wrote:
>>>
>>> Gentlemen,
>>>
>>> What an interesting exchange. I have a 94 Cherokee, LTD
>>> SE 4.0 Auto, which I
>>> recently bought. Same problem with shifting in and out
>>> of 4 wheel part-time
>>> and 4 wheel full time. Often sticks in 4W part time.
>>> Only way to get out to
>>> 2W is either stoop and reverse a little or wait ages.
>>>
>>> Always seem worse when everything is cold.
>>>
>>> Anyway, greetings from England/
>>> .
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in
>>> message
>>> news:k_KdndzdaoA8OF7eRVn-gw@comcast.com...
>>> > The '97 Cherokee does not have the front axle
>>> > disconnect. They did away
>>> with
>>> > that in '92 or 93 in the Cherokee. It remained in the
>>> > YJ Wrangler until
>>> > 1995.
>>> >
>>> > "Walt & Lynda Johnson" <waterbirds@usadatanet.net>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> > news:3qKdnX5qVfl5gl7eRVn-qA@usadatanet.net...
>>> > > I've had exactly the same problem with my 1986
>>> > > Cherokee. What is
>>> > > happening is that the vacuum motor on the axle isn't
>>> > > disengaging
>>> > > the axles from the differential. Simply replace the
>>> > > vacuum motor
>>> > > with a new one and the problem will go away.
>>> > >
>>> > > On the Cherokee, instead of freewheeling hubs, the
>>> > > right hand side
>>> > > axle is split with two splined sections. Normal 2WD
>>> > > operation the
>>> > > spline joiner is slid on to one axle section. The
>>> > > spider gears
>>> > > in the differential rotate in opposite directions
>>> > > and the
>>> > > differential center section is stationary. When
>>> > > placed in 4WD, the
>>> > > spline joiner slides to connect the two splined axle
>>> > > sections thereby
>>> > > locking up the axle. There are three hoses, one to
>>> > > engage the
>>> > > axle via the vacuum motor, the second to disengage
>>> > > the axle via the
>>> > > vacuum motor, and the third to send the "I'm locked
>>> > > up" message
>>> > > to the light on the dashboard.
>>> > >
>>> > > Walt Johnson.
>>> > >
>>> > > <phillip_putzback@insightbb.com> wrote in message
>>> > > news:1136815927.249344.47240@g49g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>>> > >> I have the 4 low - 2 high and 4 high options for
>>> > >> the transfer case. My
>>> > >> neighborhood isn't plowed normally so soem morning
>>> > >> I have to start out
>>> > >> in 4 high until I hit the main street. Then it
>>> > >> might take 10-15 minutes
>>> > >> to diesngage and lately when it finally disengages
>>> > >> there is a massive
>>> > >> pop when it disengages. I have tried going into
>>> > >> reverse a few feet and
>>> > >> then driving off but that doesn't seem to work.
>>> > >>
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> >
>
>

Re: 97 Jeep Cherokee 4wd - 4wd Won't disengage
 

Ouch! Picture worth 1000 words!

Seahag

"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:398$43c7d260$4831b233$29145@FUSE.NET...
> Pix with the result s of driving in part time 4Hi on
> pavement.
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2117998494
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43C7BFDD.29D94143@sympatico.ca...
>> If you use the part time 4x4 on anything except dirt or
>> snow, the
>> drivetrain will bind up. This will hold it in 4x4 until
>> you reverse or
>> spin the tires or until it explodes something. I got
>> stuck in 4x4
>> recently with no way to get off the highway for a few
>> miles and was
>> lucky, I only exploded a front driveshaft u-joint. My
>> old tenant did
>> the same and exploded his transfer case into little
>> pieces.
>>
>> I find with my high traction tires, I can even get bound
>> up on dirt and
>> need to spin my tires in reverse to let it loose.
>>
>> What happens is the front wheels take longer to go around
>> a corner that
>> the rear wheels so a tire 'must' scuff the ground because
>> the front and
>> rear driveshafts are locked together. If the tire can't
>> scuff,
>> something breaks.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
>> '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still
>> view!
>> Jan/06
>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>> Madonna wrote:
>>>
>>> Gentlemen,
>>>
>>> What an interesting exchange. I have a 94 Cherokee, LTD
>>> SE 4.0 Auto, which I
>>> recently bought. Same problem with shifting in and out
>>> of 4 wheel part-time
>>> and 4 wheel full time. Often sticks in 4W part time.
>>> Only way to get out to
>>> 2W is either stoop and reverse a little or wait ages.
>>>
>>> Always seem worse when everything is cold.
>>>
>>> Anyway, greetings from England/
>>> .
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in
>>> message
>>> news:k_KdndzdaoA8OF7eRVn-gw@comcast.com...
>>> > The '97 Cherokee does not have the front axle
>>> > disconnect. They did away
>>> with
>>> > that in '92 or 93 in the Cherokee. It remained in the
>>> > YJ Wrangler until
>>> > 1995.
>>> >
>>> > "Walt & Lynda Johnson" <waterbirds@usadatanet.net>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> > news:3qKdnX5qVfl5gl7eRVn-qA@usadatanet.net...
>>> > > I've had exactly the same problem with my 1986
>>> > > Cherokee. What is
>>> > > happening is that the vacuum motor on the axle isn't
>>> > > disengaging
>>> > > the axles from the differential. Simply replace the
>>> > > vacuum motor
>>> > > with a new one and the problem will go away.
>>> > >
>>> > > On the Cherokee, instead of freewheeling hubs, the
>>> > > right hand side
>>> > > axle is split with two splined sections. Normal 2WD
>>> > > operation the
>>> > > spline joiner is slid on to one axle section. The
>>> > > spider gears
>>> > > in the differential rotate in opposite directions
>>> > > and the
>>> > > differential center section is stationary. When
>>> > > placed in 4WD, the
>>> > > spline joiner slides to connect the two splined axle
>>> > > sections thereby
>>> > > locking up the axle. There are three hoses, one to
>>> > > engage the
>>> > > axle via the vacuum motor, the second to disengage
>>> > > the axle via the
>>> > > vacuum motor, and the third to send the "I'm locked
>>> > > up" message
>>> > > to the light on the dashboard.
>>> > >
>>> > > Walt Johnson.
>>> > >
>>> > > <phillip_putzback@insightbb.com> wrote in message
>>> > > news:1136815927.249344.47240@g49g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>>> > >> I have the 4 low - 2 high and 4 high options for
>>> > >> the transfer case. My
>>> > >> neighborhood isn't plowed normally so soem morning
>>> > >> I have to start out
>>> > >> in 4 high until I hit the main street. Then it
>>> > >> might take 10-15 minutes
>>> > >> to diesngage and lately when it finally disengages
>>> > >> there is a massive
>>> > >> pop when it disengages. I have tried going into
>>> > >> reverse a few feet and
>>> > >> then driving off but that doesn't seem to work.
>>> > >>
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> >
>
>

Re: 97 Jeep Cherokee 4wd - 4wd Won't disengage
 

Ouch! Picture worth 1000 words!

Seahag

"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:398$43c7d260$4831b233$29145@FUSE.NET...
> Pix with the result s of driving in part time 4Hi on
> pavement.
> http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2117998494
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43C7BFDD.29D94143@sympatico.ca...
>> If you use the part time 4x4 on anything except dirt or
>> snow, the
>> drivetrain will bind up. This will hold it in 4x4 until
>> you reverse or
>> spin the tires or until it explodes something. I got
>> stuck in 4x4
>> recently with no way to get off the highway for a few
>> miles and was
>> lucky, I only exploded a front driveshaft u-joint. My
>> old tenant did
>> the same and exploded his transfer case into little
>> pieces.
>>
>> I find with my high traction tires, I can even get bound
>> up on dirt and
>> need to spin my tires in reverse to let it loose.
>>
>> What happens is the front wheels take longer to go around
>> a corner that
>> the rear wheels so a tire 'must' scuff the ground because
>> the front and
>> rear driveshafts are locked together. If the tire can't
>> scuff,
>> something breaks.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
>> '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still
>> view!
>> Jan/06
>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>> Madonna wrote:
>>>
>>> Gentlemen,
>>>
>>> What an interesting exchange. I have a 94 Cherokee, LTD
>>> SE 4.0 Auto, which I
>>> recently bought. Same problem with shifting in and out
>>> of 4 wheel part-time
>>> and 4 wheel full time. Often sticks in 4W part time.
>>> Only way to get out to
>>> 2W is either stoop and reverse a little or wait ages.
>>>
>>> Always seem worse when everything is cold.
>>>
>>> Anyway, greetings from England/
>>> .
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in
>>> message
>>> news:k_KdndzdaoA8OF7eRVn-gw@comcast.com...
>>> > The '97 Cherokee does not have the front axle
>>> > disconnect. They did away
>>> with
>>> > that in '92 or 93 in the Cherokee. It remained in the
>>> > YJ Wrangler until
>>> > 1995.
>>> >
>>> > "Walt & Lynda Johnson" <waterbirds@usadatanet.net>
>>> > wrote in message
>>> > news:3qKdnX5qVfl5gl7eRVn-qA@usadatanet.net...
>>> > > I've had exactly the same problem with my 1986
>>> > > Cherokee. What is
>>> > > happening is that the vacuum motor on the axle isn't
>>> > > disengaging
>>> > > the axles from the differential. Simply replace the
>>> > > vacuum motor
>>> > > with a new one and the problem will go away.
>>> > >
>>> > > On the Cherokee, instead of freewheeling hubs, the
>>> > > right hand side
>>> > > axle is split with two splined sections. Normal 2WD
>>> > > operation the
>>> > > spline joiner is slid on to one axle section. The
>>> > > spider gears
>>> > > in the differential rotate in opposite directions
>>> > > and the
>>> > > differential center section is stationary. When
>>> > > placed in 4WD, the
>>> > > spline joiner slides to connect the two splined axle
>>> > > sections thereby
>>> > > locking up the axle. There are three hoses, one to
>>> > > engage the
>>> > > axle via the vacuum motor, the second to disengage
>>> > > the axle via the
>>> > > vacuum motor, and the third to send the "I'm locked
>>> > > up" message
>>> > > to the light on the dashboard.
>>> > >
>>> > > Walt Johnson.
>>> > >
>>> > > <phillip_putzback@insightbb.com> wrote in message
>>> > > news:1136815927.249344.47240@g49g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>>> > >> I have the 4 low - 2 high and 4 high options for
>>> > >> the transfer case. My
>>> > >> neighborhood isn't plowed normally so soem morning
>>> > >> I have to start out
>>> > >> in 4 high until I hit the main street. Then it
>>> > >> might take 10-15 minutes
>>> > >> to diesngage and lately when it finally disengages
>>> > >> there is a massive
>>> > >> pop when it disengages. I have tried going into
>>> > >> reverse a few feet and
>>> > >> then driving off but that doesn't seem to work.
>>> > >>
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> >
>
>

Re: 94 Jeep Cherokee - part time 4wd Won't disengage
 

Thanks. No clunks so far.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43C809D0.B1C64509@sympatico.ca...
> Ahh, the quadratrac system, right?
>
> I have heard of issues with the coupler between the front and rear
> driveshafts, but....
>
> I really do not know if this is normal or not with that system. I don't
> know what kind of split the front/rear has for power.
>
> If you hear a click or a thunk when put in gear or when put in reverse,
> then suspect the front axle ends for wear, other than that maybe someone
> else here has that type of system and can chime in about the slow turns?
>
> Mike
>
> Vito wrote:
>>
>> Happy thots )c: AFAIK it's always in 4WD as it has no 2WD poition.
>> Dealer
>> said the transfer case had a unit similar to a 'posi-traction' between
>> front and
>> rear that allowed enough slip or differential action to be driven on dry
>> pavement but ???
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43C7BE86.95649877@sympatico.ca...
>> > You have the part time system that 'will' break parts and/or actually
>> > explode the transfer case into pieces if you try to use it on dry
>> > pavement.
>> >
>> > Here in Canada, the passenger side sun visor has the directions on it.
>> >
>> > If it crabs when in 2 wheel drive, I would be inspecting the axle end
>> > u-joints for a bad one.
>> >
>> > Mike

Re: 94 Jeep Cherokee - part time 4wd Won't disengage
 

Thanks. No clunks so far.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43C809D0.B1C64509@sympatico.ca...
> Ahh, the quadratrac system, right?
>
> I have heard of issues with the coupler between the front and rear
> driveshafts, but....
>
> I really do not know if this is normal or not with that system. I don't
> know what kind of split the front/rear has for power.
>
> If you hear a click or a thunk when put in gear or when put in reverse,
> then suspect the front axle ends for wear, other than that maybe someone
> else here has that type of system and can chime in about the slow turns?
>
> Mike
>
> Vito wrote:
>>
>> Happy thots )c: AFAIK it's always in 4WD as it has no 2WD poition.
>> Dealer
>> said the transfer case had a unit similar to a 'posi-traction' between
>> front and
>> rear that allowed enough slip or differential action to be driven on dry
>> pavement but ???
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43C7BE86.95649877@sympatico.ca...
>> > You have the part time system that 'will' break parts and/or actually
>> > explode the transfer case into pieces if you try to use it on dry
>> > pavement.
>> >
>> > Here in Canada, the passenger side sun visor has the directions on it.
>> >
>> > If it crabs when in 2 wheel drive, I would be inspecting the axle end
>> > u-joints for a bad one.
>> >
>> > Mike

Re: 94 Jeep Cherokee - part time 4wd Won't disengage
 

Thanks. No clunks so far.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43C809D0.B1C64509@sympatico.ca...
> Ahh, the quadratrac system, right?
>
> I have heard of issues with the coupler between the front and rear
> driveshafts, but....
>
> I really do not know if this is normal or not with that system. I don't
> know what kind of split the front/rear has for power.
>
> If you hear a click or a thunk when put in gear or when put in reverse,
> then suspect the front axle ends for wear, other than that maybe someone
> else here has that type of system and can chime in about the slow turns?
>
> Mike
>
> Vito wrote:
>>
>> Happy thots )c: AFAIK it's always in 4WD as it has no 2WD poition.
>> Dealer
>> said the transfer case had a unit similar to a 'posi-traction' between
>> front and
>> rear that allowed enough slip or differential action to be driven on dry
>> pavement but ???
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43C7BE86.95649877@sympatico.ca...
>> > You have the part time system that 'will' break parts and/or actually
>> > explode the transfer case into pieces if you try to use it on dry
>> > pavement.
>> >
>> > Here in Canada, the passenger side sun visor has the directions on it.
>> >
>> > If it crabs when in 2 wheel drive, I would be inspecting the axle end
>> > u-joints for a bad one.
>> >
>> > Mike

Re: 94 Jeep Cherokee - part time 4wd Won't disengage
 

Thanks anyway. Changed fluid, doesn't seem to make any difference. Maybe
this is normal. Who knows?

"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
news:43c8145d$0$19336$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Vito,
>
> I don't have one of these systems, but one of the symptoms, that you might
> expect from a posi-traction unit, that needs the fluid changed, could be
> grabbing similar to what you describe. Hopefully, what you are seeing is
> just a sign of deferred maintenance. I would start by making sure that
> all
> the fluids are of the proper type, clean, and at the proper level. In
> practice, with a used vehicle that you have just bought, the only way to
> know for sure is to change everything.
>
> If you can contact the previous owner, that might shed some light. I have
> had people contact me regarding vehicles I have sold or traded in, and I
> didn't mind.
>
> Earle
>
> "Vito" <vito@crosslink.net> wrote in message
> news:43c805a9$0$7300@dingus.crosslink.net...
>> Happy thots )c: AFAIK it's always in 4WD as it has no 2WD poition.
> Dealer
>> said the transfer case had a unit similar to a 'posi-traction' between
> front and
>> rear that allowed enough slip or differential action to be driven on dry
>> pavement but ???
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43C7BE86.95649877@sympatico.ca...
>> > You have the part time system that 'will' break parts and/or actually
>> > explode the transfer case into pieces if you try to use it on dry
>> > pavement.
>> >
>> > Here in Canada, the passenger side sun visor has the directions on it.
>> >
>> > If it crabs when in 2 wheel drive, I would be inspecting the axle end
>> > u-joints for a bad one.
>> >
>> > Mike
>>
>>
>
>