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bobbyg2004 06-05-2004 11:15 PM

Re: 94 YJ trouble shifting into gears, clutch pedal quirky
 
i had the same problem with the leak between the oil pan and tranny...
replace the oil pan gasket, and you should be good to go. it was really
cheap at like a bumper to bumper... don't forget the gasket sealer.

good luck,
bobbyg


Will Honea 06-05-2004 11:35 PM

Re: 94 YJ trouble shifting into gears, clutch pedal quirky
 
On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:03:42 UTC "Jerry McG"
<gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote:

>
> "Will Honea" <hwj25(remove this)@qwest.net> wrote in message
> news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-OxtI9Umr0jl2@anon.none.net...
> > That hex screw is the bleed valve. They actually managed to screw up
> > and make a system that is easy to bleed single handed! Pull the 2
> > bolts that hold the slave to the bell housing, back the slave out and
> > hold it so that the hex screw is above the feed line and at the top of
> > the slave unit. Crack the cap open on the master (make sure it's
> > full), then slowly open the bleed screw until fluid comes out with no
> > bubbles (they form on the outside). Just don't get carried away and
> > drai nthe master. I've had to do mine twice after I got it from the
> > junkyard. The first time was the initial install, the second when
> > that cheap-assed plastic line split. Both times gave me a perfect
> > bleed first try.

>
> Wow, now I know how to bleed the friggin' thing! Thanks Will!
>
> BTW,what did you replace the plastic line with? I've seen some stainless
> lines for TJs with extreme body lifts, but thats about all.
> These units don't seem to fail very often.


That was a bitch and a half, Jerry. I finally found a local
hydraulics shop that could get the right fittings for the ends of the
line and had them make me up a stainless one. On the MJ (and likely
the XJ) that line runs pretty close to the exhaust so I figured it was
only a matter of time before a plastic line went titsup again. This
was converting an 88 MJ from a BA10/5 and internal slave to an AX15
w/external slave so the fit wasn't perfect with the plastic line
anyway.


--
Will Honea

Will Honea 06-05-2004 11:35 PM

Re: 94 YJ trouble shifting into gears, clutch pedal quirky
 
On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:03:42 UTC "Jerry McG"
<gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote:

>
> "Will Honea" <hwj25(remove this)@qwest.net> wrote in message
> news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-OxtI9Umr0jl2@anon.none.net...
> > That hex screw is the bleed valve. They actually managed to screw up
> > and make a system that is easy to bleed single handed! Pull the 2
> > bolts that hold the slave to the bell housing, back the slave out and
> > hold it so that the hex screw is above the feed line and at the top of
> > the slave unit. Crack the cap open on the master (make sure it's
> > full), then slowly open the bleed screw until fluid comes out with no
> > bubbles (they form on the outside). Just don't get carried away and
> > drai nthe master. I've had to do mine twice after I got it from the
> > junkyard. The first time was the initial install, the second when
> > that cheap-assed plastic line split. Both times gave me a perfect
> > bleed first try.

>
> Wow, now I know how to bleed the friggin' thing! Thanks Will!
>
> BTW,what did you replace the plastic line with? I've seen some stainless
> lines for TJs with extreme body lifts, but thats about all.
> These units don't seem to fail very often.


That was a bitch and a half, Jerry. I finally found a local
hydraulics shop that could get the right fittings for the ends of the
line and had them make me up a stainless one. On the MJ (and likely
the XJ) that line runs pretty close to the exhaust so I figured it was
only a matter of time before a plastic line went titsup again. This
was converting an 88 MJ from a BA10/5 and internal slave to an AX15
w/external slave so the fit wasn't perfect with the plastic line
anyway.


--
Will Honea

Will Honea 06-05-2004 11:35 PM

Re: 94 YJ trouble shifting into gears, clutch pedal quirky
 
On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:03:42 UTC "Jerry McG"
<gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote:

>
> "Will Honea" <hwj25(remove this)@qwest.net> wrote in message
> news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-OxtI9Umr0jl2@anon.none.net...
> > That hex screw is the bleed valve. They actually managed to screw up
> > and make a system that is easy to bleed single handed! Pull the 2
> > bolts that hold the slave to the bell housing, back the slave out and
> > hold it so that the hex screw is above the feed line and at the top of
> > the slave unit. Crack the cap open on the master (make sure it's
> > full), then slowly open the bleed screw until fluid comes out with no
> > bubbles (they form on the outside). Just don't get carried away and
> > drai nthe master. I've had to do mine twice after I got it from the
> > junkyard. The first time was the initial install, the second when
> > that cheap-assed plastic line split. Both times gave me a perfect
> > bleed first try.

>
> Wow, now I know how to bleed the friggin' thing! Thanks Will!
>
> BTW,what did you replace the plastic line with? I've seen some stainless
> lines for TJs with extreme body lifts, but thats about all.
> These units don't seem to fail very often.


That was a bitch and a half, Jerry. I finally found a local
hydraulics shop that could get the right fittings for the ends of the
line and had them make me up a stainless one. On the MJ (and likely
the XJ) that line runs pretty close to the exhaust so I figured it was
only a matter of time before a plastic line went titsup again. This
was converting an 88 MJ from a BA10/5 and internal slave to an AX15
w/external slave so the fit wasn't perfect with the plastic line
anyway.


--
Will Honea

Will Honea 06-05-2004 11:35 PM

Re: 94 YJ trouble shifting into gears, clutch pedal quirky
 
On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:03:42 UTC "Jerry McG"
<gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote:

>
> "Will Honea" <hwj25(remove this)@qwest.net> wrote in message
> news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-OxtI9Umr0jl2@anon.none.net...
> > That hex screw is the bleed valve. They actually managed to screw up
> > and make a system that is easy to bleed single handed! Pull the 2
> > bolts that hold the slave to the bell housing, back the slave out and
> > hold it so that the hex screw is above the feed line and at the top of
> > the slave unit. Crack the cap open on the master (make sure it's
> > full), then slowly open the bleed screw until fluid comes out with no
> > bubbles (they form on the outside). Just don't get carried away and
> > drai nthe master. I've had to do mine twice after I got it from the
> > junkyard. The first time was the initial install, the second when
> > that cheap-assed plastic line split. Both times gave me a perfect
> > bleed first try.

>
> Wow, now I know how to bleed the friggin' thing! Thanks Will!
>
> BTW,what did you replace the plastic line with? I've seen some stainless
> lines for TJs with extreme body lifts, but thats about all.
> These units don't seem to fail very often.


That was a bitch and a half, Jerry. I finally found a local
hydraulics shop that could get the right fittings for the ends of the
line and had them make me up a stainless one. On the MJ (and likely
the XJ) that line runs pretty close to the exhaust so I figured it was
only a matter of time before a plastic line went titsup again. This
was converting an 88 MJ from a BA10/5 and internal slave to an AX15
w/external slave so the fit wasn't perfect with the plastic line
anyway.


--
Will Honea

Jerry McG 06-06-2004 12:01 AM

Re: 94 YJ trouble shifting into gears, clutch pedal quirky
 

"Will Honea" <hwj25(remove this)@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-uGK27do7qZgg@anon.none.net...
> On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:03:42 UTC "Jerry McG"
> <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > "Will Honea" <hwj25(remove this)@qwest.net> wrote in message
> > news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-OxtI9Umr0jl2@anon.none.net...
> > > That hex screw is the bleed valve. They actually managed to screw up
> > > and make a system that is easy to bleed single handed! Pull the 2
> > > bolts that hold the slave to the bell housing, back the slave out and
> > > hold it so that the hex screw is above the feed line and at the top of
> > > the slave unit. Crack the cap open on the master (make sure it's
> > > full), then slowly open the bleed screw until fluid comes out with no
> > > bubbles (they form on the outside). Just don't get carried away and
> > > drai nthe master. I've had to do mine twice after I got it from the
> > > junkyard. The first time was the initial install, the second when
> > > that cheap-assed plastic line split. Both times gave me a perfect
> > > bleed first try.

> >
> > Wow, now I know how to bleed the friggin' thing! Thanks Will!
> >
> > BTW,what did you replace the plastic line with? I've seen some stainless
> > lines for TJs with extreme body lifts, but thats about all.
> > These units don't seem to fail very often.

>
> That was a bitch and a half, Jerry. I finally found a local
> hydraulics shop that could get the right fittings for the ends of the
> line and had them make me up a stainless one. On the MJ (and likely
> the XJ) that line runs pretty close to the exhaust so I figured it was
> only a matter of time before a plastic line went titsup again. This
> was converting an 88 MJ from a BA10/5 and internal slave to an AX15
> w/external slave so the fit wasn't perfect with the plastic line
> anyway.


I've wanted to flush the fluid in the master/slave as a maintenance item but
had no idea what the bleed procedure was. The factory manual just states
that the late- style master & external slave are replaced as a unit and that
it's sealed. Seemed unlikely they'd sell you the things already filled &
bled.



Jerry McG 06-06-2004 12:01 AM

Re: 94 YJ trouble shifting into gears, clutch pedal quirky
 

"Will Honea" <hwj25(remove this)@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-uGK27do7qZgg@anon.none.net...
> On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:03:42 UTC "Jerry McG"
> <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > "Will Honea" <hwj25(remove this)@qwest.net> wrote in message
> > news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-OxtI9Umr0jl2@anon.none.net...
> > > That hex screw is the bleed valve. They actually managed to screw up
> > > and make a system that is easy to bleed single handed! Pull the 2
> > > bolts that hold the slave to the bell housing, back the slave out and
> > > hold it so that the hex screw is above the feed line and at the top of
> > > the slave unit. Crack the cap open on the master (make sure it's
> > > full), then slowly open the bleed screw until fluid comes out with no
> > > bubbles (they form on the outside). Just don't get carried away and
> > > drai nthe master. I've had to do mine twice after I got it from the
> > > junkyard. The first time was the initial install, the second when
> > > that cheap-assed plastic line split. Both times gave me a perfect
> > > bleed first try.

> >
> > Wow, now I know how to bleed the friggin' thing! Thanks Will!
> >
> > BTW,what did you replace the plastic line with? I've seen some stainless
> > lines for TJs with extreme body lifts, but thats about all.
> > These units don't seem to fail very often.

>
> That was a bitch and a half, Jerry. I finally found a local
> hydraulics shop that could get the right fittings for the ends of the
> line and had them make me up a stainless one. On the MJ (and likely
> the XJ) that line runs pretty close to the exhaust so I figured it was
> only a matter of time before a plastic line went titsup again. This
> was converting an 88 MJ from a BA10/5 and internal slave to an AX15
> w/external slave so the fit wasn't perfect with the plastic line
> anyway.


I've wanted to flush the fluid in the master/slave as a maintenance item but
had no idea what the bleed procedure was. The factory manual just states
that the late- style master & external slave are replaced as a unit and that
it's sealed. Seemed unlikely they'd sell you the things already filled &
bled.



Jerry McG 06-06-2004 12:01 AM

Re: 94 YJ trouble shifting into gears, clutch pedal quirky
 

"Will Honea" <hwj25(remove this)@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-uGK27do7qZgg@anon.none.net...
> On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:03:42 UTC "Jerry McG"
> <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > "Will Honea" <hwj25(remove this)@qwest.net> wrote in message
> > news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-OxtI9Umr0jl2@anon.none.net...
> > > That hex screw is the bleed valve. They actually managed to screw up
> > > and make a system that is easy to bleed single handed! Pull the 2
> > > bolts that hold the slave to the bell housing, back the slave out and
> > > hold it so that the hex screw is above the feed line and at the top of
> > > the slave unit. Crack the cap open on the master (make sure it's
> > > full), then slowly open the bleed screw until fluid comes out with no
> > > bubbles (they form on the outside). Just don't get carried away and
> > > drai nthe master. I've had to do mine twice after I got it from the
> > > junkyard. The first time was the initial install, the second when
> > > that cheap-assed plastic line split. Both times gave me a perfect
> > > bleed first try.

> >
> > Wow, now I know how to bleed the friggin' thing! Thanks Will!
> >
> > BTW,what did you replace the plastic line with? I've seen some stainless
> > lines for TJs with extreme body lifts, but thats about all.
> > These units don't seem to fail very often.

>
> That was a bitch and a half, Jerry. I finally found a local
> hydraulics shop that could get the right fittings for the ends of the
> line and had them make me up a stainless one. On the MJ (and likely
> the XJ) that line runs pretty close to the exhaust so I figured it was
> only a matter of time before a plastic line went titsup again. This
> was converting an 88 MJ from a BA10/5 and internal slave to an AX15
> w/external slave so the fit wasn't perfect with the plastic line
> anyway.


I've wanted to flush the fluid in the master/slave as a maintenance item but
had no idea what the bleed procedure was. The factory manual just states
that the late- style master & external slave are replaced as a unit and that
it's sealed. Seemed unlikely they'd sell you the things already filled &
bled.



Jerry McG 06-06-2004 12:01 AM

Re: 94 YJ trouble shifting into gears, clutch pedal quirky
 

"Will Honea" <hwj25(remove this)@qwest.net> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-uGK27do7qZgg@anon.none.net...
> On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:03:42 UTC "Jerry McG"
> <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > "Will Honea" <hwj25(remove this)@qwest.net> wrote in message
> > news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-OxtI9Umr0jl2@anon.none.net...
> > > That hex screw is the bleed valve. They actually managed to screw up
> > > and make a system that is easy to bleed single handed! Pull the 2
> > > bolts that hold the slave to the bell housing, back the slave out and
> > > hold it so that the hex screw is above the feed line and at the top of
> > > the slave unit. Crack the cap open on the master (make sure it's
> > > full), then slowly open the bleed screw until fluid comes out with no
> > > bubbles (they form on the outside). Just don't get carried away and
> > > drai nthe master. I've had to do mine twice after I got it from the
> > > junkyard. The first time was the initial install, the second when
> > > that cheap-assed plastic line split. Both times gave me a perfect
> > > bleed first try.

> >
> > Wow, now I know how to bleed the friggin' thing! Thanks Will!
> >
> > BTW,what did you replace the plastic line with? I've seen some stainless
> > lines for TJs with extreme body lifts, but thats about all.
> > These units don't seem to fail very often.

>
> That was a bitch and a half, Jerry. I finally found a local
> hydraulics shop that could get the right fittings for the ends of the
> line and had them make me up a stainless one. On the MJ (and likely
> the XJ) that line runs pretty close to the exhaust so I figured it was
> only a matter of time before a plastic line went titsup again. This
> was converting an 88 MJ from a BA10/5 and internal slave to an AX15
> w/external slave so the fit wasn't perfect with the plastic line
> anyway.


I've wanted to flush the fluid in the master/slave as a maintenance item but
had no idea what the bleed procedure was. The factory manual just states
that the late- style master & external slave are replaced as a unit and that
it's sealed. Seemed unlikely they'd sell you the things already filled &
bled.



Will Honea 06-06-2004 02:25 AM

Re: 94 YJ trouble shifting into gears, clutch pedal quirky
 
On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 04:01:54 UTC "Jerry McG"
<gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote:

>
> "Will Honea" <hwj25(remove this)@qwest.net> wrote in message
> news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-uGK27do7qZgg@anon.none.net...
> > On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:03:42 UTC "Jerry McG"
> > <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > "Will Honea" <hwj25(remove this)@qwest.net> wrote in message
> > > news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-OxtI9Umr0jl2@anon.none.net...
> > > > That hex screw is the bleed valve. They actually managed to screw up
> > > > and make a system that is easy to bleed single handed! Pull the 2
> > > > bolts that hold the slave to the bell housing, back the slave out and
> > > > hold it so that the hex screw is above the feed line and at the top of
> > > > the slave unit. Crack the cap open on the master (make sure it's
> > > > full), then slowly open the bleed screw until fluid comes out with no
> > > > bubbles (they form on the outside). Just don't get carried away and
> > > > drai nthe master. I've had to do mine twice after I got it from the
> > > > junkyard. The first time was the initial install, the second when
> > > > that cheap-assed plastic line split. Both times gave me a perfect
> > > > bleed first try.
> > >
> > > Wow, now I know how to bleed the friggin' thing! Thanks Will!
> > >
> > > BTW,what did you replace the plastic line with? I've seen some stainless
> > > lines for TJs with extreme body lifts, but thats about all.
> > > These units don't seem to fail very often.

> >
> > That was a bitch and a half, Jerry. I finally found a local
> > hydraulics shop that could get the right fittings for the ends of the
> > line and had them make me up a stainless one. On the MJ (and likely
> > the XJ) that line runs pretty close to the exhaust so I figured it was
> > only a matter of time before a plastic line went titsup again. This
> > was converting an 88 MJ from a BA10/5 and internal slave to an AX15
> > w/external slave so the fit wasn't perfect with the plastic line
> > anyway.

>
> I've wanted to flush the fluid in the master/slave as a maintenance item but
> had no idea what the bleed procedure was. The factory manual just states
> that the late- style master & external slave are replaced as a unit and that
> it's sealed. Seemed unlikely they'd sell you the things already filled &
> bled.


Supposedly, that is in fact the case; they come pre-bled and ready to
go. Now, how the heck you get them in is another matter. I tried to
route the pair initially as shown in the FSM, but I just flat couldn't
get that plastic tube to stretch enought to make a couple of corners
and neither cylinder wanted to go between the fuel/steering/exhaust
pieces. That could easily have been an issue simply because of the
swap I was doing, but look at it before you start. I did replace the
mc on my junk yard set after about a year when the local Advanced Auto
had a brand new mc they had special ordered - guy never came back and
the manager made a price too good to pass up when I was looking for a
replacement line. The instructions that came with it were pretty
specific about the bench bleed procedure. Seems there is a seal and
valve inside that will get messed up if you over-compress the mc
during the bleed so I'd be careful not to let the master run dry if
you use a gravity bleed. To get a good flush, you will also have to
compress the slave by hand (or with a clamp) to really get everything
out of it since you'll have it in a sump position to get the air out.
Not hard, but you have to think ahead a little.

--
Will Honea


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