93 ZJ "clunk" in front axle
03-28-2006, 09:19 PM
#71
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Posts: n/a
Re: 93 ZJ "clunk" in front axle
The death wobble can be one wheel going insane side to side or both
going which would mean your steering damper shock is shot (check it for
leaks) or the whole axle and wheels going side to side which is the
track bar. This is the worst and gets out of hand because the whole
front end is going side to side.
If it's one wheel you don't feel it in the steering as bad as the
others.
If it is the drag link rod end, your vehicle will 'tack' into the wind
and pull against a slope or follow ruts in the road.
If it is the track bar, when you turn the wheels from side to side, the
nose of the Jeep moves side to side. You can see it from the drivers
seat.
If you have play in the drag link joint it is toast. If you have play
there, you likely have play in other joints, so that might just be the
first of a few.
When I bought my CJ7 it was white knuckle at 65 mph. Every joint passed
inspection showing 'some' ware, but add them up and I had 6" to 8" of
free rotation in my steering wheel. I replaced everything and now it is
stable with the speedo maxed out and normally cruises at 75 mph or 120
kph to keep up with traffic.
Mike
Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
> I ordered the drag link. But been thinking if it is just the drag
> link then I would have "sloppy" steering but not the wheels moving
> independant from each other. right ? (because that's what the tie rod
> is for ? but then again tierod on a 93 zj doesn't go from wheel to wheel)
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > That is called the death wobble....
> >
> > Yes it can be caused by a bad track bar bushing or ball joint and all
> > the other things mentioned including a bad steering damper shock.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Ron Croonenberg wrote:
> >
> >>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >>
> >>could that also cause thaty wheel to "flap around" and make a somewhat
> >>violent vibrating noise when you hit a pothole the wrong way ?
> >>
> >>
> >>>I'm guessing track bar bushing might be shot.
> >>>
> >>>"Ron Croonenberg" <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message
> >>>news:e016d9$kvq$1@news.csc.depauw.edu...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hello all,
> >>>>
> >>>>when I drive through a rut or a pot hole with the front passenger wheel I
> >>>>hear sort of a "clunk". Yesterday I pushed (with my foot) the top of the
> >>>>wheel inside and heard a pop (just bearly heard it.
> >>>>
> >>>>So I am wondering, is there a bearing there that's worn out what does that
> >>>>?
> >>>>
> >>>>Well actuall what I am asking is.. How can I determine what it is ?
> >>>>
> >>>>thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>>Ron
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
going which would mean your steering damper shock is shot (check it for
leaks) or the whole axle and wheels going side to side which is the
track bar. This is the worst and gets out of hand because the whole
front end is going side to side.
If it's one wheel you don't feel it in the steering as bad as the
others.
If it is the drag link rod end, your vehicle will 'tack' into the wind
and pull against a slope or follow ruts in the road.
If it is the track bar, when you turn the wheels from side to side, the
nose of the Jeep moves side to side. You can see it from the drivers
seat.
If you have play in the drag link joint it is toast. If you have play
there, you likely have play in other joints, so that might just be the
first of a few.
When I bought my CJ7 it was white knuckle at 65 mph. Every joint passed
inspection showing 'some' ware, but add them up and I had 6" to 8" of
free rotation in my steering wheel. I replaced everything and now it is
stable with the speedo maxed out and normally cruises at 75 mph or 120
kph to keep up with traffic.
Mike
Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
> I ordered the drag link. But been thinking if it is just the drag
> link then I would have "sloppy" steering but not the wheels moving
> independant from each other. right ? (because that's what the tie rod
> is for ? but then again tierod on a 93 zj doesn't go from wheel to wheel)
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > That is called the death wobble....
> >
> > Yes it can be caused by a bad track bar bushing or ball joint and all
> > the other things mentioned including a bad steering damper shock.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Ron Croonenberg wrote:
> >
> >>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >>
> >>could that also cause thaty wheel to "flap around" and make a somewhat
> >>violent vibrating noise when you hit a pothole the wrong way ?
> >>
> >>
> >>>I'm guessing track bar bushing might be shot.
> >>>
> >>>"Ron Croonenberg" <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message
> >>>news:e016d9$kvq$1@news.csc.depauw.edu...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hello all,
> >>>>
> >>>>when I drive through a rut or a pot hole with the front passenger wheel I
> >>>>hear sort of a "clunk". Yesterday I pushed (with my foot) the top of the
> >>>>wheel inside and heard a pop (just bearly heard it.
> >>>>
> >>>>So I am wondering, is there a bearing there that's worn out what does that
> >>>>?
> >>>>
> >>>>Well actuall what I am asking is.. How can I determine what it is ?
> >>>>
> >>>>thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>>Ron
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
03-28-2006, 09:19 PM
#72
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Posts: n/a
Re: 93 ZJ "clunk" in front axle
The death wobble can be one wheel going insane side to side or both
going which would mean your steering damper shock is shot (check it for
leaks) or the whole axle and wheels going side to side which is the
track bar. This is the worst and gets out of hand because the whole
front end is going side to side.
If it's one wheel you don't feel it in the steering as bad as the
others.
If it is the drag link rod end, your vehicle will 'tack' into the wind
and pull against a slope or follow ruts in the road.
If it is the track bar, when you turn the wheels from side to side, the
nose of the Jeep moves side to side. You can see it from the drivers
seat.
If you have play in the drag link joint it is toast. If you have play
there, you likely have play in other joints, so that might just be the
first of a few.
When I bought my CJ7 it was white knuckle at 65 mph. Every joint passed
inspection showing 'some' ware, but add them up and I had 6" to 8" of
free rotation in my steering wheel. I replaced everything and now it is
stable with the speedo maxed out and normally cruises at 75 mph or 120
kph to keep up with traffic.
Mike
Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
> I ordered the drag link. But been thinking if it is just the drag
> link then I would have "sloppy" steering but not the wheels moving
> independant from each other. right ? (because that's what the tie rod
> is for ? but then again tierod on a 93 zj doesn't go from wheel to wheel)
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > That is called the death wobble....
> >
> > Yes it can be caused by a bad track bar bushing or ball joint and all
> > the other things mentioned including a bad steering damper shock.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Ron Croonenberg wrote:
> >
> >>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >>
> >>could that also cause thaty wheel to "flap around" and make a somewhat
> >>violent vibrating noise when you hit a pothole the wrong way ?
> >>
> >>
> >>>I'm guessing track bar bushing might be shot.
> >>>
> >>>"Ron Croonenberg" <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message
> >>>news:e016d9$kvq$1@news.csc.depauw.edu...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hello all,
> >>>>
> >>>>when I drive through a rut or a pot hole with the front passenger wheel I
> >>>>hear sort of a "clunk". Yesterday I pushed (with my foot) the top of the
> >>>>wheel inside and heard a pop (just bearly heard it.
> >>>>
> >>>>So I am wondering, is there a bearing there that's worn out what does that
> >>>>?
> >>>>
> >>>>Well actuall what I am asking is.. How can I determine what it is ?
> >>>>
> >>>>thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>>Ron
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
going which would mean your steering damper shock is shot (check it for
leaks) or the whole axle and wheels going side to side which is the
track bar. This is the worst and gets out of hand because the whole
front end is going side to side.
If it's one wheel you don't feel it in the steering as bad as the
others.
If it is the drag link rod end, your vehicle will 'tack' into the wind
and pull against a slope or follow ruts in the road.
If it is the track bar, when you turn the wheels from side to side, the
nose of the Jeep moves side to side. You can see it from the drivers
seat.
If you have play in the drag link joint it is toast. If you have play
there, you likely have play in other joints, so that might just be the
first of a few.
When I bought my CJ7 it was white knuckle at 65 mph. Every joint passed
inspection showing 'some' ware, but add them up and I had 6" to 8" of
free rotation in my steering wheel. I replaced everything and now it is
stable with the speedo maxed out and normally cruises at 75 mph or 120
kph to keep up with traffic.
Mike
Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
> I ordered the drag link. But been thinking if it is just the drag
> link then I would have "sloppy" steering but not the wheels moving
> independant from each other. right ? (because that's what the tie rod
> is for ? but then again tierod on a 93 zj doesn't go from wheel to wheel)
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > That is called the death wobble....
> >
> > Yes it can be caused by a bad track bar bushing or ball joint and all
> > the other things mentioned including a bad steering damper shock.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Ron Croonenberg wrote:
> >
> >>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >>
> >>could that also cause thaty wheel to "flap around" and make a somewhat
> >>violent vibrating noise when you hit a pothole the wrong way ?
> >>
> >>
> >>>I'm guessing track bar bushing might be shot.
> >>>
> >>>"Ron Croonenberg" <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message
> >>>news:e016d9$kvq$1@news.csc.depauw.edu...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hello all,
> >>>>
> >>>>when I drive through a rut or a pot hole with the front passenger wheel I
> >>>>hear sort of a "clunk". Yesterday I pushed (with my foot) the top of the
> >>>>wheel inside and heard a pop (just bearly heard it.
> >>>>
> >>>>So I am wondering, is there a bearing there that's worn out what does that
> >>>>?
> >>>>
> >>>>Well actuall what I am asking is.. How can I determine what it is ?
> >>>>
> >>>>thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>>Ron
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
03-28-2006, 09:19 PM
#73
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 93 ZJ "clunk" in front axle
The death wobble can be one wheel going insane side to side or both
going which would mean your steering damper shock is shot (check it for
leaks) or the whole axle and wheels going side to side which is the
track bar. This is the worst and gets out of hand because the whole
front end is going side to side.
If it's one wheel you don't feel it in the steering as bad as the
others.
If it is the drag link rod end, your vehicle will 'tack' into the wind
and pull against a slope or follow ruts in the road.
If it is the track bar, when you turn the wheels from side to side, the
nose of the Jeep moves side to side. You can see it from the drivers
seat.
If you have play in the drag link joint it is toast. If you have play
there, you likely have play in other joints, so that might just be the
first of a few.
When I bought my CJ7 it was white knuckle at 65 mph. Every joint passed
inspection showing 'some' ware, but add them up and I had 6" to 8" of
free rotation in my steering wheel. I replaced everything and now it is
stable with the speedo maxed out and normally cruises at 75 mph or 120
kph to keep up with traffic.
Mike
Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
> I ordered the drag link. But been thinking if it is just the drag
> link then I would have "sloppy" steering but not the wheels moving
> independant from each other. right ? (because that's what the tie rod
> is for ? but then again tierod on a 93 zj doesn't go from wheel to wheel)
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > That is called the death wobble....
> >
> > Yes it can be caused by a bad track bar bushing or ball joint and all
> > the other things mentioned including a bad steering damper shock.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Ron Croonenberg wrote:
> >
> >>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >>
> >>could that also cause thaty wheel to "flap around" and make a somewhat
> >>violent vibrating noise when you hit a pothole the wrong way ?
> >>
> >>
> >>>I'm guessing track bar bushing might be shot.
> >>>
> >>>"Ron Croonenberg" <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message
> >>>news:e016d9$kvq$1@news.csc.depauw.edu...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hello all,
> >>>>
> >>>>when I drive through a rut or a pot hole with the front passenger wheel I
> >>>>hear sort of a "clunk". Yesterday I pushed (with my foot) the top of the
> >>>>wheel inside and heard a pop (just bearly heard it.
> >>>>
> >>>>So I am wondering, is there a bearing there that's worn out what does that
> >>>>?
> >>>>
> >>>>Well actuall what I am asking is.. How can I determine what it is ?
> >>>>
> >>>>thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>>Ron
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
going which would mean your steering damper shock is shot (check it for
leaks) or the whole axle and wheels going side to side which is the
track bar. This is the worst and gets out of hand because the whole
front end is going side to side.
If it's one wheel you don't feel it in the steering as bad as the
others.
If it is the drag link rod end, your vehicle will 'tack' into the wind
and pull against a slope or follow ruts in the road.
If it is the track bar, when you turn the wheels from side to side, the
nose of the Jeep moves side to side. You can see it from the drivers
seat.
If you have play in the drag link joint it is toast. If you have play
there, you likely have play in other joints, so that might just be the
first of a few.
When I bought my CJ7 it was white knuckle at 65 mph. Every joint passed
inspection showing 'some' ware, but add them up and I had 6" to 8" of
free rotation in my steering wheel. I replaced everything and now it is
stable with the speedo maxed out and normally cruises at 75 mph or 120
kph to keep up with traffic.
Mike
Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
> I ordered the drag link. But been thinking if it is just the drag
> link then I would have "sloppy" steering but not the wheels moving
> independant from each other. right ? (because that's what the tie rod
> is for ? but then again tierod on a 93 zj doesn't go from wheel to wheel)
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > That is called the death wobble....
> >
> > Yes it can be caused by a bad track bar bushing or ball joint and all
> > the other things mentioned including a bad steering damper shock.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Ron Croonenberg wrote:
> >
> >>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >>
> >>could that also cause thaty wheel to "flap around" and make a somewhat
> >>violent vibrating noise when you hit a pothole the wrong way ?
> >>
> >>
> >>>I'm guessing track bar bushing might be shot.
> >>>
> >>>"Ron Croonenberg" <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message
> >>>news:e016d9$kvq$1@news.csc.depauw.edu...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hello all,
> >>>>
> >>>>when I drive through a rut or a pot hole with the front passenger wheel I
> >>>>hear sort of a "clunk". Yesterday I pushed (with my foot) the top of the
> >>>>wheel inside and heard a pop (just bearly heard it.
> >>>>
> >>>>So I am wondering, is there a bearing there that's worn out what does that
> >>>>?
> >>>>
> >>>>Well actuall what I am asking is.. How can I determine what it is ?
> >>>>
> >>>>thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>>Ron
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
03-29-2006, 05:55 PM
#74
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 93 ZJ "clunk" in front axle
> If it's one wheel you don't feel it in the steering as bad as the
> others.
Thi is the first time I had it...so i don't know the "others"
> If it is the drag link rod end, your vehicle will 'tack' into the wind
> and pull against a slope or follow ruts in the road.
it does that
> If it is the track bar, when you turn the wheels from side to side, the
> nose of the Jeep moves side to side. You can see it from the drivers
> seat.
it doesn't seem to do that
> If you have play in the drag link joint it is toast. If you have play
> there, you likely have play in other joints, so that might just be the
> first of a few.
so, the tie rod ends are probably toast too then
> When I bought my CJ7 it was white knuckle at 65 mph. Every joint passed
> inspection showing 'some' ware, but add them up and I had 6" to 8" of
> free rotation in my steering wheel. I replaced everything and now it is
> stable with the speedo maxed out and normally cruises at 75 mph or 120
> kph to keep up with traffic.
I had something similar with my cj5, that was a completely run out
wheel brearing (had it when I bought it.)
> Mike
>
> Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
>>I ordered the drag link. But been thinking if it is just the drag
>>link then I would have "sloppy" steering but not the wheels moving
>>independant from each other. right ? (because that's what the tie rod
>>is for ? but then again tierod on a 93 zj doesn't go from wheel to wheel)
>>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>
>>>That is called the death wobble....
>>>
>>>Yes it can be caused by a bad track bar bushing or ball joint and all
>>>the other things mentioned including a bad steering damper shock.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>
>>>Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>could that also cause thaty wheel to "flap around" and make a somewhat
>>>>violent vibrating noise when you hit a pothole the wrong way ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'm guessing track bar bushing might be shot.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ron Croonenberg" <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message
>>>>>news:e016d9$kvq$1@news.csc.depauw.edu...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>when I drive through a rut or a pot hole with the front passenger wheel I
>>>>>>hear sort of a "clunk". Yesterday I pushed (with my foot) the top of the
>>>>>>wheel inside and heard a pop (just bearly heard it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So I am wondering, is there a bearing there that's worn out what does that
>>>>>>?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well actuall what I am asking is.. How can I determine what it is ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ron
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
> others.
Thi is the first time I had it...so i don't know the "others"
> If it is the drag link rod end, your vehicle will 'tack' into the wind
> and pull against a slope or follow ruts in the road.
it does that
> If it is the track bar, when you turn the wheels from side to side, the
> nose of the Jeep moves side to side. You can see it from the drivers
> seat.
it doesn't seem to do that
> If you have play in the drag link joint it is toast. If you have play
> there, you likely have play in other joints, so that might just be the
> first of a few.
so, the tie rod ends are probably toast too then
> When I bought my CJ7 it was white knuckle at 65 mph. Every joint passed
> inspection showing 'some' ware, but add them up and I had 6" to 8" of
> free rotation in my steering wheel. I replaced everything and now it is
> stable with the speedo maxed out and normally cruises at 75 mph or 120
> kph to keep up with traffic.
I had something similar with my cj5, that was a completely run out
wheel brearing (had it when I bought it.)
> Mike
>
> Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
>>I ordered the drag link. But been thinking if it is just the drag
>>link then I would have "sloppy" steering but not the wheels moving
>>independant from each other. right ? (because that's what the tie rod
>>is for ? but then again tierod on a 93 zj doesn't go from wheel to wheel)
>>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>
>>>That is called the death wobble....
>>>
>>>Yes it can be caused by a bad track bar bushing or ball joint and all
>>>the other things mentioned including a bad steering damper shock.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>
>>>Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>could that also cause thaty wheel to "flap around" and make a somewhat
>>>>violent vibrating noise when you hit a pothole the wrong way ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'm guessing track bar bushing might be shot.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ron Croonenberg" <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message
>>>>>news:e016d9$kvq$1@news.csc.depauw.edu...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>when I drive through a rut or a pot hole with the front passenger wheel I
>>>>>>hear sort of a "clunk". Yesterday I pushed (with my foot) the top of the
>>>>>>wheel inside and heard a pop (just bearly heard it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So I am wondering, is there a bearing there that's worn out what does that
>>>>>>?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well actuall what I am asking is.. How can I determine what it is ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ron
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
03-29-2006, 05:55 PM
#75
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 93 ZJ "clunk" in front axle
> If it's one wheel you don't feel it in the steering as bad as the
> others.
Thi is the first time I had it...so i don't know the "others"
> If it is the drag link rod end, your vehicle will 'tack' into the wind
> and pull against a slope or follow ruts in the road.
it does that
> If it is the track bar, when you turn the wheels from side to side, the
> nose of the Jeep moves side to side. You can see it from the drivers
> seat.
it doesn't seem to do that
> If you have play in the drag link joint it is toast. If you have play
> there, you likely have play in other joints, so that might just be the
> first of a few.
so, the tie rod ends are probably toast too then
> When I bought my CJ7 it was white knuckle at 65 mph. Every joint passed
> inspection showing 'some' ware, but add them up and I had 6" to 8" of
> free rotation in my steering wheel. I replaced everything and now it is
> stable with the speedo maxed out and normally cruises at 75 mph or 120
> kph to keep up with traffic.
I had something similar with my cj5, that was a completely run out
wheel brearing (had it when I bought it.)
> Mike
>
> Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
>>I ordered the drag link. But been thinking if it is just the drag
>>link then I would have "sloppy" steering but not the wheels moving
>>independant from each other. right ? (because that's what the tie rod
>>is for ? but then again tierod on a 93 zj doesn't go from wheel to wheel)
>>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>
>>>That is called the death wobble....
>>>
>>>Yes it can be caused by a bad track bar bushing or ball joint and all
>>>the other things mentioned including a bad steering damper shock.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>
>>>Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>could that also cause thaty wheel to "flap around" and make a somewhat
>>>>violent vibrating noise when you hit a pothole the wrong way ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'm guessing track bar bushing might be shot.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ron Croonenberg" <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message
>>>>>news:e016d9$kvq$1@news.csc.depauw.edu...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>when I drive through a rut or a pot hole with the front passenger wheel I
>>>>>>hear sort of a "clunk". Yesterday I pushed (with my foot) the top of the
>>>>>>wheel inside and heard a pop (just bearly heard it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So I am wondering, is there a bearing there that's worn out what does that
>>>>>>?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well actuall what I am asking is.. How can I determine what it is ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ron
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
> others.
Thi is the first time I had it...so i don't know the "others"
> If it is the drag link rod end, your vehicle will 'tack' into the wind
> and pull against a slope or follow ruts in the road.
it does that
> If it is the track bar, when you turn the wheels from side to side, the
> nose of the Jeep moves side to side. You can see it from the drivers
> seat.
it doesn't seem to do that
> If you have play in the drag link joint it is toast. If you have play
> there, you likely have play in other joints, so that might just be the
> first of a few.
so, the tie rod ends are probably toast too then
> When I bought my CJ7 it was white knuckle at 65 mph. Every joint passed
> inspection showing 'some' ware, but add them up and I had 6" to 8" of
> free rotation in my steering wheel. I replaced everything and now it is
> stable with the speedo maxed out and normally cruises at 75 mph or 120
> kph to keep up with traffic.
I had something similar with my cj5, that was a completely run out
wheel brearing (had it when I bought it.)
> Mike
>
> Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
>>I ordered the drag link. But been thinking if it is just the drag
>>link then I would have "sloppy" steering but not the wheels moving
>>independant from each other. right ? (because that's what the tie rod
>>is for ? but then again tierod on a 93 zj doesn't go from wheel to wheel)
>>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>
>>>That is called the death wobble....
>>>
>>>Yes it can be caused by a bad track bar bushing or ball joint and all
>>>the other things mentioned including a bad steering damper shock.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>
>>>Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>could that also cause thaty wheel to "flap around" and make a somewhat
>>>>violent vibrating noise when you hit a pothole the wrong way ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'm guessing track bar bushing might be shot.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ron Croonenberg" <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message
>>>>>news:e016d9$kvq$1@news.csc.depauw.edu...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>when I drive through a rut or a pot hole with the front passenger wheel I
>>>>>>hear sort of a "clunk". Yesterday I pushed (with my foot) the top of the
>>>>>>wheel inside and heard a pop (just bearly heard it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So I am wondering, is there a bearing there that's worn out what does that
>>>>>>?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well actuall what I am asking is.. How can I determine what it is ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ron
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
03-29-2006, 05:55 PM
#76
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 93 ZJ "clunk" in front axle
> If it's one wheel you don't feel it in the steering as bad as the
> others.
Thi is the first time I had it...so i don't know the "others"
> If it is the drag link rod end, your vehicle will 'tack' into the wind
> and pull against a slope or follow ruts in the road.
it does that
> If it is the track bar, when you turn the wheels from side to side, the
> nose of the Jeep moves side to side. You can see it from the drivers
> seat.
it doesn't seem to do that
> If you have play in the drag link joint it is toast. If you have play
> there, you likely have play in other joints, so that might just be the
> first of a few.
so, the tie rod ends are probably toast too then
> When I bought my CJ7 it was white knuckle at 65 mph. Every joint passed
> inspection showing 'some' ware, but add them up and I had 6" to 8" of
> free rotation in my steering wheel. I replaced everything and now it is
> stable with the speedo maxed out and normally cruises at 75 mph or 120
> kph to keep up with traffic.
I had something similar with my cj5, that was a completely run out
wheel brearing (had it when I bought it.)
> Mike
>
> Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
>>I ordered the drag link. But been thinking if it is just the drag
>>link then I would have "sloppy" steering but not the wheels moving
>>independant from each other. right ? (because that's what the tie rod
>>is for ? but then again tierod on a 93 zj doesn't go from wheel to wheel)
>>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>
>>>That is called the death wobble....
>>>
>>>Yes it can be caused by a bad track bar bushing or ball joint and all
>>>the other things mentioned including a bad steering damper shock.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>
>>>Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>could that also cause thaty wheel to "flap around" and make a somewhat
>>>>violent vibrating noise when you hit a pothole the wrong way ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'm guessing track bar bushing might be shot.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ron Croonenberg" <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message
>>>>>news:e016d9$kvq$1@news.csc.depauw.edu...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>when I drive through a rut or a pot hole with the front passenger wheel I
>>>>>>hear sort of a "clunk". Yesterday I pushed (with my foot) the top of the
>>>>>>wheel inside and heard a pop (just bearly heard it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So I am wondering, is there a bearing there that's worn out what does that
>>>>>>?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well actuall what I am asking is.. How can I determine what it is ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ron
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
> others.
Thi is the first time I had it...so i don't know the "others"
> If it is the drag link rod end, your vehicle will 'tack' into the wind
> and pull against a slope or follow ruts in the road.
it does that
> If it is the track bar, when you turn the wheels from side to side, the
> nose of the Jeep moves side to side. You can see it from the drivers
> seat.
it doesn't seem to do that
> If you have play in the drag link joint it is toast. If you have play
> there, you likely have play in other joints, so that might just be the
> first of a few.
so, the tie rod ends are probably toast too then
> When I bought my CJ7 it was white knuckle at 65 mph. Every joint passed
> inspection showing 'some' ware, but add them up and I had 6" to 8" of
> free rotation in my steering wheel. I replaced everything and now it is
> stable with the speedo maxed out and normally cruises at 75 mph or 120
> kph to keep up with traffic.
I had something similar with my cj5, that was a completely run out
wheel brearing (had it when I bought it.)
> Mike
>
> Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
>>I ordered the drag link. But been thinking if it is just the drag
>>link then I would have "sloppy" steering but not the wheels moving
>>independant from each other. right ? (because that's what the tie rod
>>is for ? but then again tierod on a 93 zj doesn't go from wheel to wheel)
>>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>
>>>That is called the death wobble....
>>>
>>>Yes it can be caused by a bad track bar bushing or ball joint and all
>>>the other things mentioned including a bad steering damper shock.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>
>>>Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>could that also cause thaty wheel to "flap around" and make a somewhat
>>>>violent vibrating noise when you hit a pothole the wrong way ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'm guessing track bar bushing might be shot.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ron Croonenberg" <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message
>>>>>news:e016d9$kvq$1@news.csc.depauw.edu...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>when I drive through a rut or a pot hole with the front passenger wheel I
>>>>>>hear sort of a "clunk". Yesterday I pushed (with my foot) the top of the
>>>>>>wheel inside and heard a pop (just bearly heard it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So I am wondering, is there a bearing there that's worn out what does that
>>>>>>?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well actuall what I am asking is.. How can I determine what it is ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ron
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
03-29-2006, 05:57 PM
#77
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 93 ZJ "clunk" in front axle
It's not a real Jeep.. it's my daily driver so i like to
keep it stock. my CJ5 is a real Jeep
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Real Jeeps use the one piece tierod:
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...g/rustytr2.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
>>I ordered the drag link. But been thinking if it is just the drag
>>link then I would have "sloppy" steering but not the wheels moving
>>independant from each other. right ? (because that's what the tie rod
>>is for ? but then again tierod on a 93 zj doesn't go from wheel to wheel)
keep it stock. my CJ5 is a real Jeep
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Real Jeeps use the one piece tierod:
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...g/rustytr2.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
>>I ordered the drag link. But been thinking if it is just the drag
>>link then I would have "sloppy" steering but not the wheels moving
>>independant from each other. right ? (because that's what the tie rod
>>is for ? but then again tierod on a 93 zj doesn't go from wheel to wheel)
03-29-2006, 05:57 PM
#78
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 93 ZJ "clunk" in front axle
It's not a real Jeep.. it's my daily driver so i like to
keep it stock. my CJ5 is a real Jeep
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Real Jeeps use the one piece tierod:
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...g/rustytr2.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
>>I ordered the drag link. But been thinking if it is just the drag
>>link then I would have "sloppy" steering but not the wheels moving
>>independant from each other. right ? (because that's what the tie rod
>>is for ? but then again tierod on a 93 zj doesn't go from wheel to wheel)
keep it stock. my CJ5 is a real Jeep
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Real Jeeps use the one piece tierod:
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...g/rustytr2.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
>>I ordered the drag link. But been thinking if it is just the drag
>>link then I would have "sloppy" steering but not the wheels moving
>>independant from each other. right ? (because that's what the tie rod
>>is for ? but then again tierod on a 93 zj doesn't go from wheel to wheel)
03-29-2006, 05:57 PM
#79
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 93 ZJ "clunk" in front axle
It's not a real Jeep.. it's my daily driver so i like to
keep it stock. my CJ5 is a real Jeep
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Real Jeeps use the one piece tierod:
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...g/rustytr2.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
>>I ordered the drag link. But been thinking if it is just the drag
>>link then I would have "sloppy" steering but not the wheels moving
>>independant from each other. right ? (because that's what the tie rod
>>is for ? but then again tierod on a 93 zj doesn't go from wheel to wheel)
keep it stock. my CJ5 is a real Jeep
L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Real Jeeps use the one piece tierod:
> http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cheroke...g/rustytr2.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
>>I ordered the drag link. But been thinking if it is just the drag
>>link then I would have "sloppy" steering but not the wheels moving
>>independant from each other. right ? (because that's what the tie rod
>>is for ? but then again tierod on a 93 zj doesn't go from wheel to wheel)
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