Re: 93 Grand Cherokee-Won't Start in Cold
 

Hi Lon, thanks.
Cranks just fine. Get a huff or two like it's trying, so I have spark.
Especially with a minimal squirt of starting fluid. Also get more huffs if
pump the gas, or hold it to the floor.
Oil is okay.
I do want to find the miss at 2800rpm. Need to get running first. The car is
a (only) daily driver. I just mentioned it as possibly an indicator that
something has deteriorated to this point.


"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:l0Nzb.421363$HS4.3346811@attbi_s01...
> At 12/4/03 12:09, D bespake thusly:
> > Thanks Mike. I think it does have a ballast, but again, it never gets
close
> > to turning on it's own enough to let up on the key.
> > Also, I don't think the ballast resister would be affected by the cold
like
> > this.
>
> If the starter spins fast enough and you get no firing, is either
> fuel or spark. Unless it stops right away in which case wrong
> oil weight is another suspect.
>
> You mention a miss even when warm... that would be worth getting
> rid of as that engine should never do that.
>
> --
> Still a Raiders fan, but no longer sure why.
>

Re: 93 Grand Cherokee-Won't Start in Cold
 

Hi Lon, thanks.
Cranks just fine. Get a huff or two like it's trying, so I have spark.
Especially with a minimal squirt of starting fluid. Also get more huffs if
pump the gas, or hold it to the floor.
Oil is okay.
I do want to find the miss at 2800rpm. Need to get running first. The car is
a (only) daily driver. I just mentioned it as possibly an indicator that
something has deteriorated to this point.


"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:l0Nzb.421363$HS4.3346811@attbi_s01...
> At 12/4/03 12:09, D bespake thusly:
> > Thanks Mike. I think it does have a ballast, but again, it never gets
close
> > to turning on it's own enough to let up on the key.
> > Also, I don't think the ballast resister would be affected by the cold
like
> > this.
>
> If the starter spins fast enough and you get no firing, is either
> fuel or spark. Unless it stops right away in which case wrong
> oil weight is another suspect.
>
> You mention a miss even when warm... that would be worth getting
> rid of as that engine should never do that.
>
> --
> Still a Raiders fan, but no longer sure why.
>

Re: 93 Grand Cherokee-Won't Start in Cold
 

Hi Lon, thanks.
Cranks just fine. Get a huff or two like it's trying, so I have spark.
Especially with a minimal squirt of starting fluid. Also get more huffs if
pump the gas, or hold it to the floor.
Oil is okay.
I do want to find the miss at 2800rpm. Need to get running first. The car is
a (only) daily driver. I just mentioned it as possibly an indicator that
something has deteriorated to this point.


"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:l0Nzb.421363$HS4.3346811@attbi_s01...
> At 12/4/03 12:09, D bespake thusly:
> > Thanks Mike. I think it does have a ballast, but again, it never gets
close
> > to turning on it's own enough to let up on the key.
> > Also, I don't think the ballast resister would be affected by the cold
like
> > this.
>
> If the starter spins fast enough and you get no firing, is either
> fuel or spark. Unless it stops right away in which case wrong
> oil weight is another suspect.
>
> You mention a miss even when warm... that would be worth getting
> rid of as that engine should never do that.
>
> --
> Still a Raiders fan, but no longer sure why.
>

Re: 93 Grand Cherokee-Won't Start in Cold
 

Buy yourself a ten dollar volt meter and connect it to the + side
of the coil, that will tell you exactly what's going on. You should have
a full twelve volts at cranking, then drop a couple after it starts. You
may have a resistor wire, rather than the white piece of porcelain,
ballast, attached to your firewall.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

D wrote:
>
> Still the same problem, just spins a bit faster.
> Location of the ballast resister? I'll put the torch to it. j/k. I will try
> a lamp though.

Re: 93 Grand Cherokee-Won't Start in Cold
 

Buy yourself a ten dollar volt meter and connect it to the + side
of the coil, that will tell you exactly what's going on. You should have
a full twelve volts at cranking, then drop a couple after it starts. You
may have a resistor wire, rather than the white piece of porcelain,
ballast, attached to your firewall.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

D wrote:
>
> Still the same problem, just spins a bit faster.
> Location of the ballast resister? I'll put the torch to it. j/k. I will try
> a lamp though.

Re: 93 Grand Cherokee-Won't Start in Cold
 

Buy yourself a ten dollar volt meter and connect it to the + side
of the coil, that will tell you exactly what's going on. You should have
a full twelve volts at cranking, then drop a couple after it starts. You
may have a resistor wire, rather than the white piece of porcelain,
ballast, attached to your firewall.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

D wrote:
>
> Still the same problem, just spins a bit faster.
> Location of the ballast resister? I'll put the torch to it. j/k. I will try
> a lamp though.

Re: 93 Grand Cherokee-Won't Start in Cold
 

Thanks Bill. I'll try that and see what I get. I have a few multi-meters
around. If the voltage, 12v. is not there while cranking, does that indicate
a bad ballast?
It started up just now. Ran rough for a few seconds, then smoothed out like
the beauty she is. I'm going to run around a few blocks and then see if I
get any fault codes.
Problem is still there. Will post after bit.
Thanks for your insight.
Denny

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3FCFA14D.65551810@cox.net...
> Buy yourself a ten dollar volt meter and connect it to the + side
> of the coil, that will tell you exactly what's going on. You should have
> a full twelve volts at cranking, then drop a couple after it starts. You
> may have a resistor wire, rather than the white piece of porcelain,
> ballast, attached to your firewall.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> D wrote:
> >
> > Still the same problem, just spins a bit faster.
> > Location of the ballast resister? I'll put the torch to it. j/k. I will
try
> > a lamp though.

Re: 93 Grand Cherokee-Won't Start in Cold
 

Thanks Bill. I'll try that and see what I get. I have a few multi-meters
around. If the voltage, 12v. is not there while cranking, does that indicate
a bad ballast?
It started up just now. Ran rough for a few seconds, then smoothed out like
the beauty she is. I'm going to run around a few blocks and then see if I
get any fault codes.
Problem is still there. Will post after bit.
Thanks for your insight.
Denny

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3FCFA14D.65551810@cox.net...
> Buy yourself a ten dollar volt meter and connect it to the + side
> of the coil, that will tell you exactly what's going on. You should have
> a full twelve volts at cranking, then drop a couple after it starts. You
> may have a resistor wire, rather than the white piece of porcelain,
> ballast, attached to your firewall.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> D wrote:
> >
> > Still the same problem, just spins a bit faster.
> > Location of the ballast resister? I'll put the torch to it. j/k. I will
try
> > a lamp though.

Re: 93 Grand Cherokee-Won't Start in Cold
 

Thanks Bill. I'll try that and see what I get. I have a few multi-meters
around. If the voltage, 12v. is not there while cranking, does that indicate
a bad ballast?
It started up just now. Ran rough for a few seconds, then smoothed out like
the beauty she is. I'm going to run around a few blocks and then see if I
get any fault codes.
Problem is still there. Will post after bit.
Thanks for your insight.
Denny

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3FCFA14D.65551810@cox.net...
> Buy yourself a ten dollar volt meter and connect it to the + side
> of the coil, that will tell you exactly what's going on. You should have
> a full twelve volts at cranking, then drop a couple after it starts. You
> may have a resistor wire, rather than the white piece of porcelain,
> ballast, attached to your firewall.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> D wrote:
> >
> > Still the same problem, just spins a bit faster.
> > Location of the ballast resister? I'll put the torch to it. j/k. I will
try
> > a lamp though.

Re: 93 Grand Cherokee-Won't Start in Cold
 

The Cherokee has a ballast resistor for the fuel pump too.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

D wrote:
>
> Thanks Bill. I'll try that and see what I get. I have a few multi-meters
> around. If the voltage, 12v. is not there while cranking, does that indicate
> a bad ballast?
> It started up just now. Ran rough for a few seconds, then smoothed out like
> the beauty she is. I'm going to run around a few blocks and then see if I
> get any fault codes.
> Problem is still there. Will post after bit.
> Thanks for your insight.
> Denny
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:3FCFA14D.65551810@cox.net...
> > Buy yourself a ten dollar volt meter and connect it to the + side
> > of the coil, that will tell you exactly what's going on. You should have
> > a full twelve volts at cranking, then drop a couple after it starts. You
> > may have a resistor wire, rather than the white piece of porcelain,
> > ballast, attached to your firewall.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > D wrote:
> > >
> > > Still the same problem, just spins a bit faster.
> > > Location of the ballast resister? I'll put the torch to it. j/k. I will
> try
> > > a lamp though.