93 Grand Cherokee-Won't Start in Cold
12-04-2003, 03:09 PM
#21
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Re: 93 Grand Cherokee-Won't Start in Cold
Thanks Mike. I think it does have a ballast, but again, it never gets close
to turning on it's own enough to let up on the key.
Also, I don't think the ballast resister would be affected by the cold like
this.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3FCF91DA.D2302C0D@sympatico.ca...
> Do you have a ballast resistor like in the Cherokee?
>
> When those go bad, the engine will almost start with the key turning the
> starter, but drop to run and it up and dies.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> D wrote:
> >
> > I know, I know. At my wit's end. Only used a short shot though. Figure
the
> > valves are prob. loose enough, a little more wouldn't hurt
catastrophically.
> >
> > "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
> > news:T-mdneiQYeaCE1KiRVn-uA@magma.ca...
> > > Man o Man, Other than an old diesel farm tractor, I wouldn't
> > > use starter fluid for anything.
> > >
> > > D wrote:
> > >
> > > > Update to this problem.
> > > > I got a can of starter fluid and tried it. The car seemed much more
> > > > willing to start, but still no joy. It did huff a lot more, but
didn't
> > > > actually start. In my view, this points to more of a fuel problem
than
> > > > electrical? If there's concurrence on that, what in the fuel control
> > > > system would be so subject to the cold temperature?
> > > > Would appreciate additional thoughts. Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > "D" <dpfer@r.com <mailto:dpfer@r.com>> wrote in message
> > > > news:OxKzb.105969$Eq1.40720@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > Hi all.
> > > > Hope to find some suggestions here.
> > > > 93 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 6 cyl, auto, 4wd, air etc. Has
220,000+
> > > > miles, been excellent and still is.
> > > > Problem is when the temp gets into the 30's, it will crank and
> > > > crank, give a huff or two like it's trying to start, but no go.
New
> > > > plugs, wires, Oxy sensor, other things over the last couple
years.
> > > > Read a forum message somewhere on a similar problem and the
fellow
> > > > said he finally took off the ECM and heated it in the oven.
Seemed
> > > > it had a crack in the insulating material that let moisture get
in
> > > > and freeze. Or something like that.
> > > > Possible related symptom; the engine, when running well, gives a
> > > > 'miss' on acceleration at right around 2800 rpm and has for
years.
> > > > I've gone through most everything but am really suspect of the
MAP
> > > > sensor or the ECM now.
> > > > I've had a lamp on under the hood for overnight, but no help to
> > > > start today. I would appreciate any ideas or suggestions for
this
> > > > old beauty.
> > > > Thank you.
> > >
to turning on it's own enough to let up on the key.
Also, I don't think the ballast resister would be affected by the cold like
this.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3FCF91DA.D2302C0D@sympatico.ca...
> Do you have a ballast resistor like in the Cherokee?
>
> When those go bad, the engine will almost start with the key turning the
> starter, but drop to run and it up and dies.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> D wrote:
> >
> > I know, I know. At my wit's end. Only used a short shot though. Figure
the
> > valves are prob. loose enough, a little more wouldn't hurt
catastrophically.
> >
> > "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
> > news:T-mdneiQYeaCE1KiRVn-uA@magma.ca...
> > > Man o Man, Other than an old diesel farm tractor, I wouldn't
> > > use starter fluid for anything.
> > >
> > > D wrote:
> > >
> > > > Update to this problem.
> > > > I got a can of starter fluid and tried it. The car seemed much more
> > > > willing to start, but still no joy. It did huff a lot more, but
didn't
> > > > actually start. In my view, this points to more of a fuel problem
than
> > > > electrical? If there's concurrence on that, what in the fuel control
> > > > system would be so subject to the cold temperature?
> > > > Would appreciate additional thoughts. Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > "D" <dpfer@r.com <mailto:dpfer@r.com>> wrote in message
> > > > news:OxKzb.105969$Eq1.40720@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > Hi all.
> > > > Hope to find some suggestions here.
> > > > 93 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 6 cyl, auto, 4wd, air etc. Has
220,000+
> > > > miles, been excellent and still is.
> > > > Problem is when the temp gets into the 30's, it will crank and
> > > > crank, give a huff or two like it's trying to start, but no go.
New
> > > > plugs, wires, Oxy sensor, other things over the last couple
years.
> > > > Read a forum message somewhere on a similar problem and the
fellow
> > > > said he finally took off the ECM and heated it in the oven.
Seemed
> > > > it had a crack in the insulating material that let moisture get
in
> > > > and freeze. Or something like that.
> > > > Possible related symptom; the engine, when running well, gives a
> > > > 'miss' on acceleration at right around 2800 rpm and has for
years.
> > > > I've gone through most everything but am really suspect of the
MAP
> > > > sensor or the ECM now.
> > > > I've had a lamp on under the hood for overnight, but no help to
> > > > start today. I would appreciate any ideas or suggestions for
this
> > > > old beauty.
> > > > Thank you.
> > >
12-04-2003, 03:09 PM
#22
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Re: 93 Grand Cherokee-Won't Start in Cold
Thanks Mike. I think it does have a ballast, but again, it never gets close
to turning on it's own enough to let up on the key.
Also, I don't think the ballast resister would be affected by the cold like
this.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3FCF91DA.D2302C0D@sympatico.ca...
> Do you have a ballast resistor like in the Cherokee?
>
> When those go bad, the engine will almost start with the key turning the
> starter, but drop to run and it up and dies.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> D wrote:
> >
> > I know, I know. At my wit's end. Only used a short shot though. Figure
the
> > valves are prob. loose enough, a little more wouldn't hurt
catastrophically.
> >
> > "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
> > news:T-mdneiQYeaCE1KiRVn-uA@magma.ca...
> > > Man o Man, Other than an old diesel farm tractor, I wouldn't
> > > use starter fluid for anything.
> > >
> > > D wrote:
> > >
> > > > Update to this problem.
> > > > I got a can of starter fluid and tried it. The car seemed much more
> > > > willing to start, but still no joy. It did huff a lot more, but
didn't
> > > > actually start. In my view, this points to more of a fuel problem
than
> > > > electrical? If there's concurrence on that, what in the fuel control
> > > > system would be so subject to the cold temperature?
> > > > Would appreciate additional thoughts. Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > "D" <dpfer@r.com <mailto:dpfer@r.com>> wrote in message
> > > > news:OxKzb.105969$Eq1.40720@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > Hi all.
> > > > Hope to find some suggestions here.
> > > > 93 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 6 cyl, auto, 4wd, air etc. Has
220,000+
> > > > miles, been excellent and still is.
> > > > Problem is when the temp gets into the 30's, it will crank and
> > > > crank, give a huff or two like it's trying to start, but no go.
New
> > > > plugs, wires, Oxy sensor, other things over the last couple
years.
> > > > Read a forum message somewhere on a similar problem and the
fellow
> > > > said he finally took off the ECM and heated it in the oven.
Seemed
> > > > it had a crack in the insulating material that let moisture get
in
> > > > and freeze. Or something like that.
> > > > Possible related symptom; the engine, when running well, gives a
> > > > 'miss' on acceleration at right around 2800 rpm and has for
years.
> > > > I've gone through most everything but am really suspect of the
MAP
> > > > sensor or the ECM now.
> > > > I've had a lamp on under the hood for overnight, but no help to
> > > > start today. I would appreciate any ideas or suggestions for
this
> > > > old beauty.
> > > > Thank you.
> > >
to turning on it's own enough to let up on the key.
Also, I don't think the ballast resister would be affected by the cold like
this.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3FCF91DA.D2302C0D@sympatico.ca...
> Do you have a ballast resistor like in the Cherokee?
>
> When those go bad, the engine will almost start with the key turning the
> starter, but drop to run and it up and dies.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> D wrote:
> >
> > I know, I know. At my wit's end. Only used a short shot though. Figure
the
> > valves are prob. loose enough, a little more wouldn't hurt
catastrophically.
> >
> > "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
> > news:T-mdneiQYeaCE1KiRVn-uA@magma.ca...
> > > Man o Man, Other than an old diesel farm tractor, I wouldn't
> > > use starter fluid for anything.
> > >
> > > D wrote:
> > >
> > > > Update to this problem.
> > > > I got a can of starter fluid and tried it. The car seemed much more
> > > > willing to start, but still no joy. It did huff a lot more, but
didn't
> > > > actually start. In my view, this points to more of a fuel problem
than
> > > > electrical? If there's concurrence on that, what in the fuel control
> > > > system would be so subject to the cold temperature?
> > > > Would appreciate additional thoughts. Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > "D" <dpfer@r.com <mailto:dpfer@r.com>> wrote in message
> > > > news:OxKzb.105969$Eq1.40720@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > Hi all.
> > > > Hope to find some suggestions here.
> > > > 93 Grand Cherokee Laredo, 6 cyl, auto, 4wd, air etc. Has
220,000+
> > > > miles, been excellent and still is.
> > > > Problem is when the temp gets into the 30's, it will crank and
> > > > crank, give a huff or two like it's trying to start, but no go.
New
> > > > plugs, wires, Oxy sensor, other things over the last couple
years.
> > > > Read a forum message somewhere on a similar problem and the
fellow
> > > > said he finally took off the ECM and heated it in the oven.
Seemed
> > > > it had a crack in the insulating material that let moisture get
in
> > > > and freeze. Or something like that.
> > > > Possible related symptom; the engine, when running well, gives a
> > > > 'miss' on acceleration at right around 2800 rpm and has for
years.
> > > > I've gone through most everything but am really suspect of the
MAP
> > > > sensor or the ECM now.
> > > > I've had a lamp on under the hood for overnight, but no help to
> > > > start today. I would appreciate any ideas or suggestions for
this
> > > > old beauty.
> > > > Thank you.
> > >
12-04-2003, 03:17 PM
#23
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Re: 93 Grand Cherokee-Won't Start in Cold
AH. I remember in college (Potsdam, NY) it was below zero (+/- a few
degrees) and my buddy was outside trying to start his car. He poured some
gas into the carb and it still wouldn't start so he came in to take a
shower. I look out my window (I had a great view of the parking lot and the
grass where the chicks would tan) and I see this car on fire. I trotted
down to the bathroom and was like "dude, your cars on fire"... well, thank
GOD he grabbed his towel before sprinting down the hall to my room!!
Car burt to the ground (there is not a more miserable sight than to watch
firemen put hoses away in sub-zero weather).
"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
news:iLCdnT8wJ_6nElKiRVn-jw@magma.ca...
> lets just say I had some experience with it. Like BANG!!!!!!!!! :-)
>
> Joe wrote:
>
> > "Man o Man, Other than an old diesel farm tractor, I wouldn't use
starter
> > fluid for anything."
> >
> > Why?
> >
> >
>
degrees) and my buddy was outside trying to start his car. He poured some
gas into the carb and it still wouldn't start so he came in to take a
shower. I look out my window (I had a great view of the parking lot and the
grass where the chicks would tan) and I see this car on fire. I trotted
down to the bathroom and was like "dude, your cars on fire"... well, thank
GOD he grabbed his towel before sprinting down the hall to my room!!
Car burt to the ground (there is not a more miserable sight than to watch
firemen put hoses away in sub-zero weather).
"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
news:iLCdnT8wJ_6nElKiRVn-jw@magma.ca...
> lets just say I had some experience with it. Like BANG!!!!!!!!! :-)
>
> Joe wrote:
>
> > "Man o Man, Other than an old diesel farm tractor, I wouldn't use
starter
> > fluid for anything."
> >
> > Why?
> >
> >
>
12-04-2003, 03:17 PM
#24
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Re: 93 Grand Cherokee-Won't Start in Cold
AH. I remember in college (Potsdam, NY) it was below zero (+/- a few
degrees) and my buddy was outside trying to start his car. He poured some
gas into the carb and it still wouldn't start so he came in to take a
shower. I look out my window (I had a great view of the parking lot and the
grass where the chicks would tan) and I see this car on fire. I trotted
down to the bathroom and was like "dude, your cars on fire"... well, thank
GOD he grabbed his towel before sprinting down the hall to my room!!
Car burt to the ground (there is not a more miserable sight than to watch
firemen put hoses away in sub-zero weather).
"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
news:iLCdnT8wJ_6nElKiRVn-jw@magma.ca...
> lets just say I had some experience with it. Like BANG!!!!!!!!! :-)
>
> Joe wrote:
>
> > "Man o Man, Other than an old diesel farm tractor, I wouldn't use
starter
> > fluid for anything."
> >
> > Why?
> >
> >
>
degrees) and my buddy was outside trying to start his car. He poured some
gas into the carb and it still wouldn't start so he came in to take a
shower. I look out my window (I had a great view of the parking lot and the
grass where the chicks would tan) and I see this car on fire. I trotted
down to the bathroom and was like "dude, your cars on fire"... well, thank
GOD he grabbed his towel before sprinting down the hall to my room!!
Car burt to the ground (there is not a more miserable sight than to watch
firemen put hoses away in sub-zero weather).
"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
news:iLCdnT8wJ_6nElKiRVn-jw@magma.ca...
> lets just say I had some experience with it. Like BANG!!!!!!!!! :-)
>
> Joe wrote:
>
> > "Man o Man, Other than an old diesel farm tractor, I wouldn't use
starter
> > fluid for anything."
> >
> > Why?
> >
> >
>
12-04-2003, 03:17 PM
#25
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Re: 93 Grand Cherokee-Won't Start in Cold
AH. I remember in college (Potsdam, NY) it was below zero (+/- a few
degrees) and my buddy was outside trying to start his car. He poured some
gas into the carb and it still wouldn't start so he came in to take a
shower. I look out my window (I had a great view of the parking lot and the
grass where the chicks would tan) and I see this car on fire. I trotted
down to the bathroom and was like "dude, your cars on fire"... well, thank
GOD he grabbed his towel before sprinting down the hall to my room!!
Car burt to the ground (there is not a more miserable sight than to watch
firemen put hoses away in sub-zero weather).
"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
news:iLCdnT8wJ_6nElKiRVn-jw@magma.ca...
> lets just say I had some experience with it. Like BANG!!!!!!!!! :-)
>
> Joe wrote:
>
> > "Man o Man, Other than an old diesel farm tractor, I wouldn't use
starter
> > fluid for anything."
> >
> > Why?
> >
> >
>
degrees) and my buddy was outside trying to start his car. He poured some
gas into the carb and it still wouldn't start so he came in to take a
shower. I look out my window (I had a great view of the parking lot and the
grass where the chicks would tan) and I see this car on fire. I trotted
down to the bathroom and was like "dude, your cars on fire"... well, thank
GOD he grabbed his towel before sprinting down the hall to my room!!
Car burt to the ground (there is not a more miserable sight than to watch
firemen put hoses away in sub-zero weather).
"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
news:iLCdnT8wJ_6nElKiRVn-jw@magma.ca...
> lets just say I had some experience with it. Like BANG!!!!!!!!! :-)
>
> Joe wrote:
>
> > "Man o Man, Other than an old diesel farm tractor, I wouldn't use
starter
> > fluid for anything."
> >
> > Why?
> >
> >
>
12-04-2003, 03:30 PM
#26
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Re: 93 Grand Cherokee-Won't Start in Cold
I lost some eyebrows in the service that-a-way. Believe me, I'm careful.
"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
news:iLCdnT8wJ_6nElKiRVn-jw@magma.ca...
> lets just say I had some experience with it. Like BANG!!!!!!!!! :-)
>
> Joe wrote:
>
> > "Man o Man, Other than an old diesel farm tractor, I wouldn't use
starter
> > fluid for anything."
> >
> > Why?
> >
> >
>
"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
news:iLCdnT8wJ_6nElKiRVn-jw@magma.ca...
> lets just say I had some experience with it. Like BANG!!!!!!!!! :-)
>
> Joe wrote:
>
> > "Man o Man, Other than an old diesel farm tractor, I wouldn't use
starter
> > fluid for anything."
> >
> > Why?
> >
> >
>
12-04-2003, 03:30 PM
#27
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Re: 93 Grand Cherokee-Won't Start in Cold
I lost some eyebrows in the service that-a-way. Believe me, I'm careful.
"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
news:iLCdnT8wJ_6nElKiRVn-jw@magma.ca...
> lets just say I had some experience with it. Like BANG!!!!!!!!! :-)
>
> Joe wrote:
>
> > "Man o Man, Other than an old diesel farm tractor, I wouldn't use
starter
> > fluid for anything."
> >
> > Why?
> >
> >
>
"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
news:iLCdnT8wJ_6nElKiRVn-jw@magma.ca...
> lets just say I had some experience with it. Like BANG!!!!!!!!! :-)
>
> Joe wrote:
>
> > "Man o Man, Other than an old diesel farm tractor, I wouldn't use
starter
> > fluid for anything."
> >
> > Why?
> >
> >
>
12-04-2003, 03:30 PM
#28
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Re: 93 Grand Cherokee-Won't Start in Cold
I lost some eyebrows in the service that-a-way. Believe me, I'm careful.
"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
news:iLCdnT8wJ_6nElKiRVn-jw@magma.ca...
> lets just say I had some experience with it. Like BANG!!!!!!!!! :-)
>
> Joe wrote:
>
> > "Man o Man, Other than an old diesel farm tractor, I wouldn't use
starter
> > fluid for anything."
> >
> > Why?
> >
> >
>
"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
news:iLCdnT8wJ_6nElKiRVn-jw@magma.ca...
> lets just say I had some experience with it. Like BANG!!!!!!!!! :-)
>
> Joe wrote:
>
> > "Man o Man, Other than an old diesel farm tractor, I wouldn't use
starter
> > fluid for anything."
> >
> > Why?
> >
> >
>
12-04-2003, 03:35 PM
#29
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Re: 93 Grand Cherokee-Won't Start in Cold
I'd try to fix the problem as to why it's not starting. Mostly
because I had an old Austin Healy with the side draft carburetors that
one of the slide was stuck open, that sucker went to twelve grand and
exploded so quick. The only place I'd use it is if gasoline was puddled
in the intake manifold, from severe flooding, fouling the spark plugs.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Joe wrote:
>
> "Man o Man, Other than an old diesel farm tractor, I wouldn't use starter
> fluid for anything."
>
> Why?
because I had an old Austin Healy with the side draft carburetors that
one of the slide was stuck open, that sucker went to twelve grand and
exploded so quick. The only place I'd use it is if gasoline was puddled
in the intake manifold, from severe flooding, fouling the spark plugs.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Joe wrote:
>
> "Man o Man, Other than an old diesel farm tractor, I wouldn't use starter
> fluid for anything."
>
> Why?
12-04-2003, 03:35 PM
#30
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Re: 93 Grand Cherokee-Won't Start in Cold
I'd try to fix the problem as to why it's not starting. Mostly
because I had an old Austin Healy with the side draft carburetors that
one of the slide was stuck open, that sucker went to twelve grand and
exploded so quick. The only place I'd use it is if gasoline was puddled
in the intake manifold, from severe flooding, fouling the spark plugs.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Joe wrote:
>
> "Man o Man, Other than an old diesel farm tractor, I wouldn't use starter
> fluid for anything."
>
> Why?
because I had an old Austin Healy with the side draft carburetors that
one of the slide was stuck open, that sucker went to twelve grand and
exploded so quick. The only place I'd use it is if gasoline was puddled
in the intake manifold, from severe flooding, fouling the spark plugs.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Joe wrote:
>
> "Man o Man, Other than an old diesel farm tractor, I wouldn't use starter
> fluid for anything."
>
> Why?