90YJ SNow-Driving
01-05-2005, 10:58 AM
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Re: 90YJ SNow-Driving
MudPuppy76 <"<moc.rr.pacyn"@"pupralop"> proclaimed:
> Lon wrote:
>
>> MudPuppy76 <"<moc.rr.pacyn"@"pupralop"> proclaimed:
>>
>>> scopenutt@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> looking for advice, when driving on snow, on pavement,,,mnt.-passes
>>>> ect.
>>>> are cables better than chains,
>>>> do i want cables/chains, for all four tires?
>>>> thanks,
>>>> johnp
>>>>
>>> i think that with either of them, you can't go over 20mph. i have
>>> studded snows on my 93 YJ and it's practically unstoppable.
>>>
>> A good set of cable chains properly tightened will allow over 20mph
>> with considerably less jaw rattling than normal chains. Not that it
>> is particularly a good idea to be doing much over 20 if the road is
>> bad enough to need chains on a 4x4. Only thing I hate about studs
>> is that you can't quickly pop them in when you need them, then
>> remove them on the dry stuff.
>
> well, studs are noisier to be sure, but then, i only run them in the
> winter months. this year in upstate NY was pretty stupid idea (no snow,
> WTF?) but in the summer i run BFG Mud-Terrains, and they're a bit
> noisier than the studs.
>
> any particular reason you wouldn't want to run studs on dry pavement?
> keep in mind i'm not familiar with driving out west, if that makes a
> difference.
>
Depends on the terrain out west. Some states allow a pretty long
stud season, others very short. Main reason is that you limit
your speed and put nasty wear grooves about a tire wide in the
highway that make heavy rain "interesting".
I've had pretty good luck with the silica filled studless low
temp tires being darned near as good as studs...with cable
chains for those occasions where a smarter person would
probably stay indoors.
> Lon wrote:
>
>> MudPuppy76 <"<moc.rr.pacyn"@"pupralop"> proclaimed:
>>
>>> scopenutt@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> looking for advice, when driving on snow, on pavement,,,mnt.-passes
>>>> ect.
>>>> are cables better than chains,
>>>> do i want cables/chains, for all four tires?
>>>> thanks,
>>>> johnp
>>>>
>>> i think that with either of them, you can't go over 20mph. i have
>>> studded snows on my 93 YJ and it's practically unstoppable.
>>>
>> A good set of cable chains properly tightened will allow over 20mph
>> with considerably less jaw rattling than normal chains. Not that it
>> is particularly a good idea to be doing much over 20 if the road is
>> bad enough to need chains on a 4x4. Only thing I hate about studs
>> is that you can't quickly pop them in when you need them, then
>> remove them on the dry stuff.
>
> well, studs are noisier to be sure, but then, i only run them in the
> winter months. this year in upstate NY was pretty stupid idea (no snow,
> WTF?) but in the summer i run BFG Mud-Terrains, and they're a bit
> noisier than the studs.
>
> any particular reason you wouldn't want to run studs on dry pavement?
> keep in mind i'm not familiar with driving out west, if that makes a
> difference.
>
Depends on the terrain out west. Some states allow a pretty long
stud season, others very short. Main reason is that you limit
your speed and put nasty wear grooves about a tire wide in the
highway that make heavy rain "interesting".
I've had pretty good luck with the silica filled studless low
temp tires being darned near as good as studs...with cable
chains for those occasions where a smarter person would
probably stay indoors.
01-05-2005, 10:58 AM
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Re: 90YJ SNow-Driving
MudPuppy76 <"<moc.rr.pacyn"@"pupralop"> proclaimed:
> Lon wrote:
>
>> MudPuppy76 <"<moc.rr.pacyn"@"pupralop"> proclaimed:
>>
>>> scopenutt@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> looking for advice, when driving on snow, on pavement,,,mnt.-passes
>>>> ect.
>>>> are cables better than chains,
>>>> do i want cables/chains, for all four tires?
>>>> thanks,
>>>> johnp
>>>>
>>> i think that with either of them, you can't go over 20mph. i have
>>> studded snows on my 93 YJ and it's practically unstoppable.
>>>
>> A good set of cable chains properly tightened will allow over 20mph
>> with considerably less jaw rattling than normal chains. Not that it
>> is particularly a good idea to be doing much over 20 if the road is
>> bad enough to need chains on a 4x4. Only thing I hate about studs
>> is that you can't quickly pop them in when you need them, then
>> remove them on the dry stuff.
>
> well, studs are noisier to be sure, but then, i only run them in the
> winter months. this year in upstate NY was pretty stupid idea (no snow,
> WTF?) but in the summer i run BFG Mud-Terrains, and they're a bit
> noisier than the studs.
>
> any particular reason you wouldn't want to run studs on dry pavement?
> keep in mind i'm not familiar with driving out west, if that makes a
> difference.
>
Depends on the terrain out west. Some states allow a pretty long
stud season, others very short. Main reason is that you limit
your speed and put nasty wear grooves about a tire wide in the
highway that make heavy rain "interesting".
I've had pretty good luck with the silica filled studless low
temp tires being darned near as good as studs...with cable
chains for those occasions where a smarter person would
probably stay indoors.
> Lon wrote:
>
>> MudPuppy76 <"<moc.rr.pacyn"@"pupralop"> proclaimed:
>>
>>> scopenutt@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> looking for advice, when driving on snow, on pavement,,,mnt.-passes
>>>> ect.
>>>> are cables better than chains,
>>>> do i want cables/chains, for all four tires?
>>>> thanks,
>>>> johnp
>>>>
>>> i think that with either of them, you can't go over 20mph. i have
>>> studded snows on my 93 YJ and it's practically unstoppable.
>>>
>> A good set of cable chains properly tightened will allow over 20mph
>> with considerably less jaw rattling than normal chains. Not that it
>> is particularly a good idea to be doing much over 20 if the road is
>> bad enough to need chains on a 4x4. Only thing I hate about studs
>> is that you can't quickly pop them in when you need them, then
>> remove them on the dry stuff.
>
> well, studs are noisier to be sure, but then, i only run them in the
> winter months. this year in upstate NY was pretty stupid idea (no snow,
> WTF?) but in the summer i run BFG Mud-Terrains, and they're a bit
> noisier than the studs.
>
> any particular reason you wouldn't want to run studs on dry pavement?
> keep in mind i'm not familiar with driving out west, if that makes a
> difference.
>
Depends on the terrain out west. Some states allow a pretty long
stud season, others very short. Main reason is that you limit
your speed and put nasty wear grooves about a tire wide in the
highway that make heavy rain "interesting".
I've had pretty good luck with the silica filled studless low
temp tires being darned near as good as studs...with cable
chains for those occasions where a smarter person would
probably stay indoors.
01-05-2005, 12:30 PM
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Re: 90YJ SNow-Driving
On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 03:14:37 GMT, "MudPuppy76 <\"<moc.rr.pacyn\"@\"pupralop\">" wrote:
[...]
> this year in upstate NY was pretty stupid idea (no snow, WTF?)
Yeah, still waiting! With a new TJ I can't use the 4wd nor can I take
the top off. I wish the weather would make up its mind. Right now
I'd enjoy some 6"-12" snowfalls to play in, followed by some nice warm
sunny weather for open-top cruising :-D. Last winter was fun with my
first 4x4 vehicle (an old BroncoII beater).
-D
--
The Consultant's Curse:
When the customer has beaten upon you long enough, give him
what he asks for, instead of what he needs. This is very strong
medicine, and is normally only required once.
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[...]
> this year in upstate NY was pretty stupid idea (no snow, WTF?)
Yeah, still waiting! With a new TJ I can't use the 4wd nor can I take
the top off. I wish the weather would make up its mind. Right now
I'd enjoy some 6"-12" snowfalls to play in, followed by some nice warm
sunny weather for open-top cruising :-D. Last winter was fun with my
first 4x4 vehicle (an old BroncoII beater).
-D
--
The Consultant's Curse:
When the customer has beaten upon you long enough, give him
what he asks for, instead of what he needs. This is very strong
medicine, and is normally only required once.
www: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ jabber: dman@dman13.dyndns.org
01-05-2005, 12:30 PM
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Re: 90YJ SNow-Driving
On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 03:14:37 GMT, "MudPuppy76 <\"<moc.rr.pacyn\"@\"pupralop\">" wrote:
[...]
> this year in upstate NY was pretty stupid idea (no snow, WTF?)
Yeah, still waiting! With a new TJ I can't use the 4wd nor can I take
the top off. I wish the weather would make up its mind. Right now
I'd enjoy some 6"-12" snowfalls to play in, followed by some nice warm
sunny weather for open-top cruising :-D. Last winter was fun with my
first 4x4 vehicle (an old BroncoII beater).
-D
--
The Consultant's Curse:
When the customer has beaten upon you long enough, give him
what he asks for, instead of what he needs. This is very strong
medicine, and is normally only required once.
www: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ jabber: dman@dman13.dyndns.org
[...]
> this year in upstate NY was pretty stupid idea (no snow, WTF?)
Yeah, still waiting! With a new TJ I can't use the 4wd nor can I take
the top off. I wish the weather would make up its mind. Right now
I'd enjoy some 6"-12" snowfalls to play in, followed by some nice warm
sunny weather for open-top cruising :-D. Last winter was fun with my
first 4x4 vehicle (an old BroncoII beater).
-D
--
The Consultant's Curse:
When the customer has beaten upon you long enough, give him
what he asks for, instead of what he needs. This is very strong
medicine, and is normally only required once.
www: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ jabber: dman@dman13.dyndns.org
01-05-2005, 12:30 PM
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Re: 90YJ SNow-Driving
On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 03:14:37 GMT, "MudPuppy76 <\"<moc.rr.pacyn\"@\"pupralop\">" wrote:
[...]
> this year in upstate NY was pretty stupid idea (no snow, WTF?)
Yeah, still waiting! With a new TJ I can't use the 4wd nor can I take
the top off. I wish the weather would make up its mind. Right now
I'd enjoy some 6"-12" snowfalls to play in, followed by some nice warm
sunny weather for open-top cruising :-D. Last winter was fun with my
first 4x4 vehicle (an old BroncoII beater).
-D
--
The Consultant's Curse:
When the customer has beaten upon you long enough, give him
what he asks for, instead of what he needs. This is very strong
medicine, and is normally only required once.
www: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ jabber: dman@dman13.dyndns.org
[...]
> this year in upstate NY was pretty stupid idea (no snow, WTF?)
Yeah, still waiting! With a new TJ I can't use the 4wd nor can I take
the top off. I wish the weather would make up its mind. Right now
I'd enjoy some 6"-12" snowfalls to play in, followed by some nice warm
sunny weather for open-top cruising :-D. Last winter was fun with my
first 4x4 vehicle (an old BroncoII beater).
-D
--
The Consultant's Curse:
When the customer has beaten upon you long enough, give him
what he asks for, instead of what he needs. This is very strong
medicine, and is normally only required once.
www: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/ jabber: dman@dman13.dyndns.org
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