90 XJ ABS nightmare (long)
#21
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Re: 90 XJ ABS nightmare (long)
It was a different recall, I typed that sort of strange.
Mike
Dana Rohleder wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> I already tried that. Unfortunately, pulling the relays on this system
> disabled the power assist, since it runs from the pump, not vacuum.
>
> Do you recall which unneeded parts they soaked you for?
> --
> Dana Rohleder
> Port Kent, NY
>
> "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and
> get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:42861A79.6571CCFF@sympatico.ca...
> > My local $tealer tried to soak me for a mess of unneeded stuff rather
> > than do the recall first. I got my money back on all the labor when I
> > went to the service manager and raised ----. I guess the fact I caught
> > them charging taxes on stuff that is tax free might have helped my case,
> > but....
> >
> > I would insist on the recall period. Then if it doesn't work, they can
> > change other parts or you can just pull the relays and do without the
> > ABS anyway.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Dana Rohleder wrote:
> >>
> >> For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help?
> >>
> >> I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> >> system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall
> >> on
> >> it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However,
> >> because
> >> a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They say they
> >> need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the recall
> >> portion
> >> of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the extended warranty
> >> on
> >> the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the "lifetime" coverage
> >> on
> >> the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor assy.
> >>
> >> I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> >> non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the
> >> list.
> >> Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
> >>
> >> My questions follow:
> >>
> >> 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs
> >> are
> >> done?
> >> 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components
> >> could
> >> have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the
> >> controller as well?
> >> 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> >> converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for
> >> that
> >> repair?
> >> 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by
> >> making
> >> me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of paying for
> >> the
> >> downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a cent for the
> >> recall work?
> >> 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify
> >> and
> >> sort this situation out?
> >> --
> >> Dana
> >> Port Kent, NY
> >>
> >> 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
> >>
> >> "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us
> >> and
> >> get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
Mike
Dana Rohleder wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> I already tried that. Unfortunately, pulling the relays on this system
> disabled the power assist, since it runs from the pump, not vacuum.
>
> Do you recall which unneeded parts they soaked you for?
> --
> Dana Rohleder
> Port Kent, NY
>
> "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and
> get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:42861A79.6571CCFF@sympatico.ca...
> > My local $tealer tried to soak me for a mess of unneeded stuff rather
> > than do the recall first. I got my money back on all the labor when I
> > went to the service manager and raised ----. I guess the fact I caught
> > them charging taxes on stuff that is tax free might have helped my case,
> > but....
> >
> > I would insist on the recall period. Then if it doesn't work, they can
> > change other parts or you can just pull the relays and do without the
> > ABS anyway.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Dana Rohleder wrote:
> >>
> >> For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help?
> >>
> >> I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> >> system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall
> >> on
> >> it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However,
> >> because
> >> a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They say they
> >> need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the recall
> >> portion
> >> of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the extended warranty
> >> on
> >> the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the "lifetime" coverage
> >> on
> >> the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor assy.
> >>
> >> I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> >> non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the
> >> list.
> >> Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
> >>
> >> My questions follow:
> >>
> >> 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs
> >> are
> >> done?
> >> 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components
> >> could
> >> have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the
> >> controller as well?
> >> 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> >> converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for
> >> that
> >> repair?
> >> 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by
> >> making
> >> me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of paying for
> >> the
> >> downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a cent for the
> >> recall work?
> >> 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify
> >> and
> >> sort this situation out?
> >> --
> >> Dana
> >> Port Kent, NY
> >>
> >> 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
> >>
> >> "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us
> >> and
> >> get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
#22
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Re: 90 XJ ABS nightmare (long)
The ABS fiasco cost me $2000 out of pocket for repairs/diagnostics to date,
not including the actuator that was covered under warranty. It still pulls
severely to the right, but the ABS fault lights are no longer working. They
wanted to replace both my front calipers and hoses for another $500, but I
put a stop to it. I asked them if they would guarantee that it would stop
the pulling and they looked at me like a golden goose that just stopped
laying eggs. I took the car back and may do the job myself for 1/2 of the
cost - they have got their last dime out of me.
--
Dana
Port Kent, NY
2002 Saturn LW300
93 Jeep YJ
90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
---------------
95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
82 Cherokee 4dr
76 Cherokee 2dr
"Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
news:W%nhe.9558$i03.6203@fe06.lga...
> For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help?
>
> I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall
> on it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However,
> because a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They
> say they need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the
> recall portion of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the
> extended warranty on the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the
> "lifetime" coverage on the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor
> assy.
>
> I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list.
> Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
>
> My questions follow:
>
> 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs
> are done?
> 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components
> could have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the
> controller as well?
> 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for
> that repair?
> 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by
> making me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of
> paying for the downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a
> cent for the recall work?
> 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify
> and sort this situation out?
> --
> Dana
> Port Kent, NY
>
> 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
>
> "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and
> get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
>
not including the actuator that was covered under warranty. It still pulls
severely to the right, but the ABS fault lights are no longer working. They
wanted to replace both my front calipers and hoses for another $500, but I
put a stop to it. I asked them if they would guarantee that it would stop
the pulling and they looked at me like a golden goose that just stopped
laying eggs. I took the car back and may do the job myself for 1/2 of the
cost - they have got their last dime out of me.
--
Dana
Port Kent, NY
2002 Saturn LW300
93 Jeep YJ
90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
---------------
95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
82 Cherokee 4dr
76 Cherokee 2dr
"Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
news:W%nhe.9558$i03.6203@fe06.lga...
> For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help?
>
> I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall
> on it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However,
> because a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They
> say they need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the
> recall portion of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the
> extended warranty on the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the
> "lifetime" coverage on the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor
> assy.
>
> I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list.
> Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
>
> My questions follow:
>
> 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs
> are done?
> 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components
> could have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the
> controller as well?
> 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for
> that repair?
> 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by
> making me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of
> paying for the downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a
> cent for the recall work?
> 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify
> and sort this situation out?
> --
> Dana
> Port Kent, NY
>
> 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
>
> "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and
> get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
>
#23
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Re: 90 XJ ABS nightmare (long)
The ABS fiasco cost me $2000 out of pocket for repairs/diagnostics to date,
not including the actuator that was covered under warranty. It still pulls
severely to the right, but the ABS fault lights are no longer working. They
wanted to replace both my front calipers and hoses for another $500, but I
put a stop to it. I asked them if they would guarantee that it would stop
the pulling and they looked at me like a golden goose that just stopped
laying eggs. I took the car back and may do the job myself for 1/2 of the
cost - they have got their last dime out of me.
--
Dana
Port Kent, NY
2002 Saturn LW300
93 Jeep YJ
90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
---------------
95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
82 Cherokee 4dr
76 Cherokee 2dr
"Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
news:W%nhe.9558$i03.6203@fe06.lga...
> For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help?
>
> I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall
> on it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However,
> because a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They
> say they need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the
> recall portion of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the
> extended warranty on the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the
> "lifetime" coverage on the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor
> assy.
>
> I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list.
> Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
>
> My questions follow:
>
> 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs
> are done?
> 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components
> could have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the
> controller as well?
> 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for
> that repair?
> 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by
> making me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of
> paying for the downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a
> cent for the recall work?
> 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify
> and sort this situation out?
> --
> Dana
> Port Kent, NY
>
> 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
>
> "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and
> get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
>
not including the actuator that was covered under warranty. It still pulls
severely to the right, but the ABS fault lights are no longer working. They
wanted to replace both my front calipers and hoses for another $500, but I
put a stop to it. I asked them if they would guarantee that it would stop
the pulling and they looked at me like a golden goose that just stopped
laying eggs. I took the car back and may do the job myself for 1/2 of the
cost - they have got their last dime out of me.
--
Dana
Port Kent, NY
2002 Saturn LW300
93 Jeep YJ
90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
---------------
95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
82 Cherokee 4dr
76 Cherokee 2dr
"Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
news:W%nhe.9558$i03.6203@fe06.lga...
> For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help?
>
> I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall
> on it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However,
> because a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They
> say they need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the
> recall portion of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the
> extended warranty on the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the
> "lifetime" coverage on the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor
> assy.
>
> I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list.
> Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
>
> My questions follow:
>
> 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs
> are done?
> 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components
> could have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the
> controller as well?
> 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for
> that repair?
> 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by
> making me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of
> paying for the downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a
> cent for the recall work?
> 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify
> and sort this situation out?
> --
> Dana
> Port Kent, NY
>
> 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
>
> "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and
> get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
>
#24
Guest
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Re: 90 XJ ABS nightmare (long)
The ABS fiasco cost me $2000 out of pocket for repairs/diagnostics to date,
not including the actuator that was covered under warranty. It still pulls
severely to the right, but the ABS fault lights are no longer working. They
wanted to replace both my front calipers and hoses for another $500, but I
put a stop to it. I asked them if they would guarantee that it would stop
the pulling and they looked at me like a golden goose that just stopped
laying eggs. I took the car back and may do the job myself for 1/2 of the
cost - they have got their last dime out of me.
--
Dana
Port Kent, NY
2002 Saturn LW300
93 Jeep YJ
90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
---------------
95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
82 Cherokee 4dr
76 Cherokee 2dr
"Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
news:W%nhe.9558$i03.6203@fe06.lga...
> For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help?
>
> I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall
> on it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However,
> because a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They
> say they need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the
> recall portion of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the
> extended warranty on the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the
> "lifetime" coverage on the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor
> assy.
>
> I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list.
> Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
>
> My questions follow:
>
> 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs
> are done?
> 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components
> could have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the
> controller as well?
> 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for
> that repair?
> 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by
> making me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of
> paying for the downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a
> cent for the recall work?
> 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify
> and sort this situation out?
> --
> Dana
> Port Kent, NY
>
> 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
>
> "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and
> get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
>
not including the actuator that was covered under warranty. It still pulls
severely to the right, but the ABS fault lights are no longer working. They
wanted to replace both my front calipers and hoses for another $500, but I
put a stop to it. I asked them if they would guarantee that it would stop
the pulling and they looked at me like a golden goose that just stopped
laying eggs. I took the car back and may do the job myself for 1/2 of the
cost - they have got their last dime out of me.
--
Dana
Port Kent, NY
2002 Saturn LW300
93 Jeep YJ
90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
---------------
95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
82 Cherokee 4dr
76 Cherokee 2dr
"Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
news:W%nhe.9558$i03.6203@fe06.lga...
> For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help?
>
> I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall
> on it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However,
> because a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They
> say they need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the
> recall portion of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the
> extended warranty on the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the
> "lifetime" coverage on the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor
> assy.
>
> I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list.
> Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
>
> My questions follow:
>
> 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs
> are done?
> 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components
> could have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the
> controller as well?
> 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for
> that repair?
> 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by
> making me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of
> paying for the downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a
> cent for the recall work?
> 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify
> and sort this situation out?
> --
> Dana
> Port Kent, NY
>
> 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
>
> "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and
> get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
>
#25
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Re: 90 XJ ABS nightmare (long)
The ABS fiasco cost me $2000 out of pocket for repairs/diagnostics to date,
not including the actuator that was covered under warranty. It still pulls
severely to the right, but the ABS fault lights are no longer working. They
wanted to replace both my front calipers and hoses for another $500, but I
put a stop to it. I asked them if they would guarantee that it would stop
the pulling and they looked at me like a golden goose that just stopped
laying eggs. I took the car back and may do the job myself for 1/2 of the
cost - they have got their last dime out of me.
--
Dana
Port Kent, NY
2002 Saturn LW300
93 Jeep YJ
90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
---------------
95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
82 Cherokee 4dr
76 Cherokee 2dr
"Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
news:W%nhe.9558$i03.6203@fe06.lga...
> For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help?
>
> I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall
> on it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However,
> because a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They
> say they need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the
> recall portion of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the
> extended warranty on the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the
> "lifetime" coverage on the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor
> assy.
>
> I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list.
> Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
>
> My questions follow:
>
> 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs
> are done?
> 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components
> could have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the
> controller as well?
> 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for
> that repair?
> 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by
> making me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of
> paying for the downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a
> cent for the recall work?
> 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify
> and sort this situation out?
> --
> Dana
> Port Kent, NY
>
> 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
>
> "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and
> get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
>
not including the actuator that was covered under warranty. It still pulls
severely to the right, but the ABS fault lights are no longer working. They
wanted to replace both my front calipers and hoses for another $500, but I
put a stop to it. I asked them if they would guarantee that it would stop
the pulling and they looked at me like a golden goose that just stopped
laying eggs. I took the car back and may do the job myself for 1/2 of the
cost - they have got their last dime out of me.
--
Dana
Port Kent, NY
2002 Saturn LW300
93 Jeep YJ
90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
---------------
95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
82 Cherokee 4dr
76 Cherokee 2dr
"Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
news:W%nhe.9558$i03.6203@fe06.lga...
> For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help?
>
> I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall
> on it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However,
> because a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They
> say they need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the
> recall portion of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the
> extended warranty on the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the
> "lifetime" coverage on the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor
> assy.
>
> I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list.
> Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
>
> My questions follow:
>
> 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs
> are done?
> 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components
> could have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the
> controller as well?
> 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for
> that repair?
> 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by
> making me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of
> paying for the downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a
> cent for the recall work?
> 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify
> and sort this situation out?
> --
> Dana
> Port Kent, NY
>
> 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
>
> "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and
> get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
>
#26
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 90 XJ ABS nightmare (long)
the reason the abs causes the vehicle to dive is the airgap for the wheel
sensors is to great and this causes the abs unit to act accordingly even rust
built up on the tone wheel can cause this
Dana Rohleder wrote:
> The ABS fiasco cost me $2000 out of pocket for repairs/diagnostics to date,
> not including the actuator that was covered under warranty. It still pulls
> severely to the right, but the ABS fault lights are no longer working. They
> wanted to replace both my front calipers and hoses for another $500, but I
> put a stop to it. I asked them if they would guarantee that it would stop
> the pulling and they looked at me like a golden goose that just stopped
> laying eggs. I took the car back and may do the job myself for 1/2 of the
> cost - they have got their last dime out of me.
> --
> Dana
> Port Kent, NY
>
> 2002 Saturn LW300
> 93 Jeep YJ
> 90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
> ---------------
> 95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
> 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
> 82 Cherokee 4dr
> 76 Cherokee 2dr
>
> "Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:W%nhe.9558$i03.6203@fe06.lga...
> > For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help?
> >
> > I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> > system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall
> > on it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However,
> > because a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They
> > say they need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the
> > recall portion of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the
> > extended warranty on the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the
> > "lifetime" coverage on the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor
> > assy.
> >
> > I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> > non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list.
> > Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
> >
> > My questions follow:
> >
> > 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs
> > are done?
> > 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components
> > could have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the
> > controller as well?
> > 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> > converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for
> > that repair?
> > 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by
> > making me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of
> > paying for the downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a
> > cent for the recall work?
> > 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify
> > and sort this situation out?
> > --
> > Dana
> > Port Kent, NY
> >
> > 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
> >
> > "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and
> > get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
> >
sensors is to great and this causes the abs unit to act accordingly even rust
built up on the tone wheel can cause this
Dana Rohleder wrote:
> The ABS fiasco cost me $2000 out of pocket for repairs/diagnostics to date,
> not including the actuator that was covered under warranty. It still pulls
> severely to the right, but the ABS fault lights are no longer working. They
> wanted to replace both my front calipers and hoses for another $500, but I
> put a stop to it. I asked them if they would guarantee that it would stop
> the pulling and they looked at me like a golden goose that just stopped
> laying eggs. I took the car back and may do the job myself for 1/2 of the
> cost - they have got their last dime out of me.
> --
> Dana
> Port Kent, NY
>
> 2002 Saturn LW300
> 93 Jeep YJ
> 90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
> ---------------
> 95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
> 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
> 82 Cherokee 4dr
> 76 Cherokee 2dr
>
> "Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:W%nhe.9558$i03.6203@fe06.lga...
> > For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help?
> >
> > I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> > system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall
> > on it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However,
> > because a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They
> > say they need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the
> > recall portion of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the
> > extended warranty on the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the
> > "lifetime" coverage on the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor
> > assy.
> >
> > I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> > non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list.
> > Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
> >
> > My questions follow:
> >
> > 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs
> > are done?
> > 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components
> > could have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the
> > controller as well?
> > 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> > converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for
> > that repair?
> > 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by
> > making me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of
> > paying for the downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a
> > cent for the recall work?
> > 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify
> > and sort this situation out?
> > --
> > Dana
> > Port Kent, NY
> >
> > 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
> >
> > "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and
> > get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
> >
#27
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 90 XJ ABS nightmare (long)
the reason the abs causes the vehicle to dive is the airgap for the wheel
sensors is to great and this causes the abs unit to act accordingly even rust
built up on the tone wheel can cause this
Dana Rohleder wrote:
> The ABS fiasco cost me $2000 out of pocket for repairs/diagnostics to date,
> not including the actuator that was covered under warranty. It still pulls
> severely to the right, but the ABS fault lights are no longer working. They
> wanted to replace both my front calipers and hoses for another $500, but I
> put a stop to it. I asked them if they would guarantee that it would stop
> the pulling and they looked at me like a golden goose that just stopped
> laying eggs. I took the car back and may do the job myself for 1/2 of the
> cost - they have got their last dime out of me.
> --
> Dana
> Port Kent, NY
>
> 2002 Saturn LW300
> 93 Jeep YJ
> 90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
> ---------------
> 95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
> 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
> 82 Cherokee 4dr
> 76 Cherokee 2dr
>
> "Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:W%nhe.9558$i03.6203@fe06.lga...
> > For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help?
> >
> > I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> > system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall
> > on it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However,
> > because a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They
> > say they need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the
> > recall portion of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the
> > extended warranty on the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the
> > "lifetime" coverage on the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor
> > assy.
> >
> > I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> > non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list.
> > Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
> >
> > My questions follow:
> >
> > 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs
> > are done?
> > 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components
> > could have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the
> > controller as well?
> > 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> > converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for
> > that repair?
> > 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by
> > making me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of
> > paying for the downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a
> > cent for the recall work?
> > 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify
> > and sort this situation out?
> > --
> > Dana
> > Port Kent, NY
> >
> > 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
> >
> > "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and
> > get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
> >
sensors is to great and this causes the abs unit to act accordingly even rust
built up on the tone wheel can cause this
Dana Rohleder wrote:
> The ABS fiasco cost me $2000 out of pocket for repairs/diagnostics to date,
> not including the actuator that was covered under warranty. It still pulls
> severely to the right, but the ABS fault lights are no longer working. They
> wanted to replace both my front calipers and hoses for another $500, but I
> put a stop to it. I asked them if they would guarantee that it would stop
> the pulling and they looked at me like a golden goose that just stopped
> laying eggs. I took the car back and may do the job myself for 1/2 of the
> cost - they have got their last dime out of me.
> --
> Dana
> Port Kent, NY
>
> 2002 Saturn LW300
> 93 Jeep YJ
> 90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
> ---------------
> 95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
> 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
> 82 Cherokee 4dr
> 76 Cherokee 2dr
>
> "Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:W%nhe.9558$i03.6203@fe06.lga...
> > For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help?
> >
> > I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> > system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall
> > on it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However,
> > because a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They
> > say they need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the
> > recall portion of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the
> > extended warranty on the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the
> > "lifetime" coverage on the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor
> > assy.
> >
> > I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> > non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list.
> > Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
> >
> > My questions follow:
> >
> > 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs
> > are done?
> > 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components
> > could have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the
> > controller as well?
> > 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> > converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for
> > that repair?
> > 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by
> > making me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of
> > paying for the downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a
> > cent for the recall work?
> > 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify
> > and sort this situation out?
> > --
> > Dana
> > Port Kent, NY
> >
> > 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
> >
> > "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and
> > get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
> >
#28
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 90 XJ ABS nightmare (long)
the reason the abs causes the vehicle to dive is the airgap for the wheel
sensors is to great and this causes the abs unit to act accordingly even rust
built up on the tone wheel can cause this
Dana Rohleder wrote:
> The ABS fiasco cost me $2000 out of pocket for repairs/diagnostics to date,
> not including the actuator that was covered under warranty. It still pulls
> severely to the right, but the ABS fault lights are no longer working. They
> wanted to replace both my front calipers and hoses for another $500, but I
> put a stop to it. I asked them if they would guarantee that it would stop
> the pulling and they looked at me like a golden goose that just stopped
> laying eggs. I took the car back and may do the job myself for 1/2 of the
> cost - they have got their last dime out of me.
> --
> Dana
> Port Kent, NY
>
> 2002 Saturn LW300
> 93 Jeep YJ
> 90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
> ---------------
> 95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
> 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
> 82 Cherokee 4dr
> 76 Cherokee 2dr
>
> "Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:W%nhe.9558$i03.6203@fe06.lga...
> > For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help?
> >
> > I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> > system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall
> > on it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However,
> > because a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They
> > say they need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the
> > recall portion of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the
> > extended warranty on the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the
> > "lifetime" coverage on the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor
> > assy.
> >
> > I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> > non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list.
> > Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
> >
> > My questions follow:
> >
> > 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs
> > are done?
> > 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components
> > could have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the
> > controller as well?
> > 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> > converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for
> > that repair?
> > 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by
> > making me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of
> > paying for the downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a
> > cent for the recall work?
> > 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify
> > and sort this situation out?
> > --
> > Dana
> > Port Kent, NY
> >
> > 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
> >
> > "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and
> > get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
> >
sensors is to great and this causes the abs unit to act accordingly even rust
built up on the tone wheel can cause this
Dana Rohleder wrote:
> The ABS fiasco cost me $2000 out of pocket for repairs/diagnostics to date,
> not including the actuator that was covered under warranty. It still pulls
> severely to the right, but the ABS fault lights are no longer working. They
> wanted to replace both my front calipers and hoses for another $500, but I
> put a stop to it. I asked them if they would guarantee that it would stop
> the pulling and they looked at me like a golden goose that just stopped
> laying eggs. I took the car back and may do the job myself for 1/2 of the
> cost - they have got their last dime out of me.
> --
> Dana
> Port Kent, NY
>
> 2002 Saturn LW300
> 93 Jeep YJ
> 90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
> ---------------
> 95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
> 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
> 82 Cherokee 4dr
> 76 Cherokee 2dr
>
> "Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:W%nhe.9558$i03.6203@fe06.lga...
> > For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help?
> >
> > I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> > system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall
> > on it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However,
> > because a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They
> > say they need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the
> > recall portion of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the
> > extended warranty on the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the
> > "lifetime" coverage on the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor
> > assy.
> >
> > I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> > non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list.
> > Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
> >
> > My questions follow:
> >
> > 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs
> > are done?
> > 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components
> > could have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the
> > controller as well?
> > 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> > converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for
> > that repair?
> > 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by
> > making me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of
> > paying for the downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a
> > cent for the recall work?
> > 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify
> > and sort this situation out?
> > --
> > Dana
> > Port Kent, NY
> >
> > 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
> >
> > "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and
> > get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
> >
#29
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 90 XJ ABS nightmare (long)
the reason the abs causes the vehicle to dive is the airgap for the wheel
sensors is to great and this causes the abs unit to act accordingly even rust
built up on the tone wheel can cause this
Dana Rohleder wrote:
> The ABS fiasco cost me $2000 out of pocket for repairs/diagnostics to date,
> not including the actuator that was covered under warranty. It still pulls
> severely to the right, but the ABS fault lights are no longer working. They
> wanted to replace both my front calipers and hoses for another $500, but I
> put a stop to it. I asked them if they would guarantee that it would stop
> the pulling and they looked at me like a golden goose that just stopped
> laying eggs. I took the car back and may do the job myself for 1/2 of the
> cost - they have got their last dime out of me.
> --
> Dana
> Port Kent, NY
>
> 2002 Saturn LW300
> 93 Jeep YJ
> 90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
> ---------------
> 95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
> 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
> 82 Cherokee 4dr
> 76 Cherokee 2dr
>
> "Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:W%nhe.9558$i03.6203@fe06.lga...
> > For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help?
> >
> > I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> > system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall
> > on it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However,
> > because a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They
> > say they need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the
> > recall portion of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the
> > extended warranty on the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the
> > "lifetime" coverage on the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor
> > assy.
> >
> > I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> > non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list.
> > Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
> >
> > My questions follow:
> >
> > 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs
> > are done?
> > 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components
> > could have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the
> > controller as well?
> > 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> > converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for
> > that repair?
> > 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by
> > making me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of
> > paying for the downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a
> > cent for the recall work?
> > 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify
> > and sort this situation out?
> > --
> > Dana
> > Port Kent, NY
> >
> > 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
> >
> > "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and
> > get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
> >
sensors is to great and this causes the abs unit to act accordingly even rust
built up on the tone wheel can cause this
Dana Rohleder wrote:
> The ABS fiasco cost me $2000 out of pocket for repairs/diagnostics to date,
> not including the actuator that was covered under warranty. It still pulls
> severely to the right, but the ABS fault lights are no longer working. They
> wanted to replace both my front calipers and hoses for another $500, but I
> put a stop to it. I asked them if they would guarantee that it would stop
> the pulling and they looked at me like a golden goose that just stopped
> laying eggs. I took the car back and may do the job myself for 1/2 of the
> cost - they have got their last dime out of me.
> --
> Dana
> Port Kent, NY
>
> 2002 Saturn LW300
> 93 Jeep YJ
> 90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
> ---------------
> 95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
> 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
> 82 Cherokee 4dr
> 76 Cherokee 2dr
>
> "Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:W%nhe.9558$i03.6203@fe06.lga...
> > For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help?
> >
> > I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
> > system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall
> > on it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However,
> > because a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They
> > say they need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the
> > recall portion of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the
> > extended warranty on the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the
> > "lifetime" coverage on the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor
> > assy.
> >
> > I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
> > non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list.
> > Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
> >
> > My questions follow:
> >
> > 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs
> > are done?
> > 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components
> > could have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the
> > controller as well?
> > 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
> > converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for
> > that repair?
> > 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by
> > making me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of
> > paying for the downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a
> > cent for the recall work?
> > 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify
> > and sort this situation out?
> > --
> > Dana
> > Port Kent, NY
> >
> > 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
> >
> > "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and
> > get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
> >
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Re: 90 XJ ABS nightmare (long)
That was my thought too, but the tech said that if that were the case I'd be
getting a fault light. I asked them 3 times to check the gaps, or even see
if the passenger's front wasn't working at all, but they never gave me the
satisfaction. The gaps I can check myself, but is there an easy way of
cleaning the rust off of the tonewheels without removing them?
--
Dana
Port Kent, NY
2002 Saturn LW300
93 Jeep YJ
90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
---------------
95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
82 Cherokee 4dr
76 Cherokee 2dr
"tim bur" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
news:42BA07F1.FF7BA693@cac.net...
> the reason the abs causes the vehicle to dive is the airgap for the wheel
> sensors is to great and this causes the abs unit to act accordingly even
> rust
> built up on the tone wheel can cause this
>
> Dana Rohleder wrote:
>
>> The ABS fiasco cost me $2000 out of pocket for repairs/diagnostics to
>> date,
>> not including the actuator that was covered under warranty. It still
>> pulls
>> severely to the right, but the ABS fault lights are no longer working.
>> They
>> wanted to replace both my front calipers and hoses for another $500, but
>> I
>> put a stop to it. I asked them if they would guarantee that it would stop
>> the pulling and they looked at me like a golden goose that just stopped
>> laying eggs. I took the car back and may do the job myself for 1/2 of the
>> cost - they have got their last dime out of me.
>> --
>> Dana
>> Port Kent, NY
>>
>> 2002 Saturn LW300
>> 93 Jeep YJ
>> 90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
>> ---------------
>> 95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
>> 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
>> 82 Cherokee 4dr
>> 76 Cherokee 2dr
>>
>> "Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
>> news:W%nhe.9558$i03.6203@fe06.lga...
>> > For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any
>> > help?
>> >
>> > I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
>> > system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety
>> > recall
>> > on it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However,
>> > because a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They
>> > say they need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the
>> > recall portion of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the
>> > extended warranty on the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on
>> > the
>> > "lifetime" coverage on the recall for the actuator assy and the
>> > pump/motor
>> > assy.
>> >
>> > I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
>> > non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the
>> > list.
>> > Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
>> >
>> > My questions follow:
>> >
>> > 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary
>> > repairs
>> > are done?
>> > 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components
>> > could have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for
>> > the
>> > controller as well?
>> > 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
>> > converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for
>> > that repair?
>> > 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by
>> > making me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of
>> > paying for the downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to
>> > pay a
>> > cent for the recall work?
>> > 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help
>> > clarify
>> > and sort this situation out?
>> > --
>> > Dana
>> > Port Kent, NY
>> >
>> > 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
>> >
>> > "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us
>> > and
>> > get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
>> >
>
getting a fault light. I asked them 3 times to check the gaps, or even see
if the passenger's front wasn't working at all, but they never gave me the
satisfaction. The gaps I can check myself, but is there an easy way of
cleaning the rust off of the tonewheels without removing them?
--
Dana
Port Kent, NY
2002 Saturn LW300
93 Jeep YJ
90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
---------------
95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
82 Cherokee 4dr
76 Cherokee 2dr
"tim bur" <dbrider@cac.net> wrote in message
news:42BA07F1.FF7BA693@cac.net...
> the reason the abs causes the vehicle to dive is the airgap for the wheel
> sensors is to great and this causes the abs unit to act accordingly even
> rust
> built up on the tone wheel can cause this
>
> Dana Rohleder wrote:
>
>> The ABS fiasco cost me $2000 out of pocket for repairs/diagnostics to
>> date,
>> not including the actuator that was covered under warranty. It still
>> pulls
>> severely to the right, but the ABS fault lights are no longer working.
>> They
>> wanted to replace both my front calipers and hoses for another $500, but
>> I
>> put a stop to it. I asked them if they would guarantee that it would stop
>> the pulling and they looked at me like a golden goose that just stopped
>> laying eggs. I took the car back and may do the job myself for 1/2 of the
>> cost - they have got their last dime out of me.
>> --
>> Dana
>> Port Kent, NY
>>
>> 2002 Saturn LW300
>> 93 Jeep YJ
>> 90 Jeep XJ Ltd.
>> ---------------
>> 95 Grand Cherokee Ltd.
>> 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd.
>> 82 Cherokee 4dr
>> 76 Cherokee 2dr
>>
>> "Dana Rohleder" <boreal@charter.net> wrote in message
>> news:W%nhe.9558$i03.6203@fe06.lga...
>> > For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any
>> > help?
>> >
>> > I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS
>> > system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety
>> > recall
>> > on it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However,
>> > because a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They
>> > say they need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the
>> > recall portion of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the
>> > extended warranty on the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on
>> > the
>> > "lifetime" coverage on the recall for the actuator assy and the
>> > pump/motor
>> > assy.
>> >
>> > I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a
>> > non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the
>> > list.
>> > Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor.
>> >
>> > My questions follow:
>> >
>> > 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary
>> > repairs
>> > are done?
>> > 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components
>> > could have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for
>> > the
>> > controller as well?
>> > 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be
>> > converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for
>> > that repair?
>> > 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by
>> > making me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of
>> > paying for the downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to
>> > pay a
>> > cent for the recall work?
>> > 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help
>> > clarify
>> > and sort this situation out?
>> > --
>> > Dana
>> > Port Kent, NY
>> >
>> > 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased)
>> >
>> > "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us
>> > and
>> > get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005
>> >
>