'88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
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Re: '88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3F83124C.E7063767@sympatico.ca>...
> Jut try tossing a 1/8 cup or a couple tablespoons of gas down the carb
> and see what happens.
>
> If it fires up, you have a hole in the gas line on the suction side of
> the pump or a dead pump that is letting the gas backflow to the tank or
> a torn diaphragm on the pump.
The pump is brand new last month.
>
> Does the oil on the dipstick smell like gas?
nope smells like SAE 30
>
> Oh, the choke is an electric timer job.
>
> It will be totally closed after 5 minutes and opens according to how
> long 12 volts has been going to it. Piece of crap actually because it
> doesn't have a clue how hot or cold the engine really is, just how long
> it has had 12 volts.
I don't think the choke is the prime offender since I tend to wedge it
open while trying to start it.
>
> Mike
Well, I actually took the plug wrench with me on a day that it acted
up. Which was totally out of the normal pattern because it was cold
and rainy. It also didn't start right up this morning, which is
atypical. It started a couple of times throughout the day, but when
it came to going home time it would not start. The engine was still
warm from having driven to the office from our pilot plant in the
previous 45 minutes or so. I cranked and cranked. Pumped the gas a
couple of times for giggles and cranked. No start. Aha! I have the
plug wrench, pulled out old number 1 and Voila, the plug, much to my
surprise was not wet. I could catch a faint whiff of petro when I put
it to my nose, but that's it. I don't think that that's classic
textbook flooded car "wet". So much for my theories to date. Not
having a remote starter (my wife wasn't at work with me, and the
cleaning lady had already gone home) I couldn't check if I had spark.
I scratched my head for a while, cranked it once with the plug hanging
over the alternator (not that I could even begin to see it from the
driver's seat. I didn't have a screwdriver to jump my solenoid, just
a 1/2" wrench and my socket driver which seemed like a bad idea on a
rainy day). So I put the plug back in, crank it and doggone it if it
doesn't start. Huh? Thankful (especially to Mike for encouraging me
to verify if it was flooded) and confused, I drive home brainstorming
new theories.
What about if I had "weak spark"? I have checked the coil resistances
and it's good, but what if my starter and solenoid are getting "worn"
and sucking more juice than they should, that could drop the system
voltage pretty low and without 11-12V, would the coil work right? I'm
thinking about putting my spare battery in the passenger floor and
wiring it directly into the coil to ensure it is seeing 12V. Whacked
idea? Other suggestions? Like I've described, once the thing is
started it runs fine, but when it's running, the alternator is keeping
the coil at a happy 12-13V.
> Jut try tossing a 1/8 cup or a couple tablespoons of gas down the carb
> and see what happens.
>
> If it fires up, you have a hole in the gas line on the suction side of
> the pump or a dead pump that is letting the gas backflow to the tank or
> a torn diaphragm on the pump.
The pump is brand new last month.
>
> Does the oil on the dipstick smell like gas?
nope smells like SAE 30
>
> Oh, the choke is an electric timer job.
>
> It will be totally closed after 5 minutes and opens according to how
> long 12 volts has been going to it. Piece of crap actually because it
> doesn't have a clue how hot or cold the engine really is, just how long
> it has had 12 volts.
I don't think the choke is the prime offender since I tend to wedge it
open while trying to start it.
>
> Mike
Well, I actually took the plug wrench with me on a day that it acted
up. Which was totally out of the normal pattern because it was cold
and rainy. It also didn't start right up this morning, which is
atypical. It started a couple of times throughout the day, but when
it came to going home time it would not start. The engine was still
warm from having driven to the office from our pilot plant in the
previous 45 minutes or so. I cranked and cranked. Pumped the gas a
couple of times for giggles and cranked. No start. Aha! I have the
plug wrench, pulled out old number 1 and Voila, the plug, much to my
surprise was not wet. I could catch a faint whiff of petro when I put
it to my nose, but that's it. I don't think that that's classic
textbook flooded car "wet". So much for my theories to date. Not
having a remote starter (my wife wasn't at work with me, and the
cleaning lady had already gone home) I couldn't check if I had spark.
I scratched my head for a while, cranked it once with the plug hanging
over the alternator (not that I could even begin to see it from the
driver's seat. I didn't have a screwdriver to jump my solenoid, just
a 1/2" wrench and my socket driver which seemed like a bad idea on a
rainy day). So I put the plug back in, crank it and doggone it if it
doesn't start. Huh? Thankful (especially to Mike for encouraging me
to verify if it was flooded) and confused, I drive home brainstorming
new theories.
What about if I had "weak spark"? I have checked the coil resistances
and it's good, but what if my starter and solenoid are getting "worn"
and sucking more juice than they should, that could drop the system
voltage pretty low and without 11-12V, would the coil work right? I'm
thinking about putting my spare battery in the passenger floor and
wiring it directly into the coil to ensure it is seeing 12V. Whacked
idea? Other suggestions? Like I've described, once the thing is
started it runs fine, but when it's running, the alternator is keeping
the coil at a happy 12-13V.
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Re: '88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3F83124C.E7063767@sympatico.ca>...
> Jut try tossing a 1/8 cup or a couple tablespoons of gas down the carb
> and see what happens.
>
> If it fires up, you have a hole in the gas line on the suction side of
> the pump or a dead pump that is letting the gas backflow to the tank or
> a torn diaphragm on the pump.
The pump is brand new last month.
>
> Does the oil on the dipstick smell like gas?
nope smells like SAE 30
>
> Oh, the choke is an electric timer job.
>
> It will be totally closed after 5 minutes and opens according to how
> long 12 volts has been going to it. Piece of crap actually because it
> doesn't have a clue how hot or cold the engine really is, just how long
> it has had 12 volts.
I don't think the choke is the prime offender since I tend to wedge it
open while trying to start it.
>
> Mike
Well, I actually took the plug wrench with me on a day that it acted
up. Which was totally out of the normal pattern because it was cold
and rainy. It also didn't start right up this morning, which is
atypical. It started a couple of times throughout the day, but when
it came to going home time it would not start. The engine was still
warm from having driven to the office from our pilot plant in the
previous 45 minutes or so. I cranked and cranked. Pumped the gas a
couple of times for giggles and cranked. No start. Aha! I have the
plug wrench, pulled out old number 1 and Voila, the plug, much to my
surprise was not wet. I could catch a faint whiff of petro when I put
it to my nose, but that's it. I don't think that that's classic
textbook flooded car "wet". So much for my theories to date. Not
having a remote starter (my wife wasn't at work with me, and the
cleaning lady had already gone home) I couldn't check if I had spark.
I scratched my head for a while, cranked it once with the plug hanging
over the alternator (not that I could even begin to see it from the
driver's seat. I didn't have a screwdriver to jump my solenoid, just
a 1/2" wrench and my socket driver which seemed like a bad idea on a
rainy day). So I put the plug back in, crank it and doggone it if it
doesn't start. Huh? Thankful (especially to Mike for encouraging me
to verify if it was flooded) and confused, I drive home brainstorming
new theories.
What about if I had "weak spark"? I have checked the coil resistances
and it's good, but what if my starter and solenoid are getting "worn"
and sucking more juice than they should, that could drop the system
voltage pretty low and without 11-12V, would the coil work right? I'm
thinking about putting my spare battery in the passenger floor and
wiring it directly into the coil to ensure it is seeing 12V. Whacked
idea? Other suggestions? Like I've described, once the thing is
started it runs fine, but when it's running, the alternator is keeping
the coil at a happy 12-13V.
> Jut try tossing a 1/8 cup or a couple tablespoons of gas down the carb
> and see what happens.
>
> If it fires up, you have a hole in the gas line on the suction side of
> the pump or a dead pump that is letting the gas backflow to the tank or
> a torn diaphragm on the pump.
The pump is brand new last month.
>
> Does the oil on the dipstick smell like gas?
nope smells like SAE 30
>
> Oh, the choke is an electric timer job.
>
> It will be totally closed after 5 minutes and opens according to how
> long 12 volts has been going to it. Piece of crap actually because it
> doesn't have a clue how hot or cold the engine really is, just how long
> it has had 12 volts.
I don't think the choke is the prime offender since I tend to wedge it
open while trying to start it.
>
> Mike
Well, I actually took the plug wrench with me on a day that it acted
up. Which was totally out of the normal pattern because it was cold
and rainy. It also didn't start right up this morning, which is
atypical. It started a couple of times throughout the day, but when
it came to going home time it would not start. The engine was still
warm from having driven to the office from our pilot plant in the
previous 45 minutes or so. I cranked and cranked. Pumped the gas a
couple of times for giggles and cranked. No start. Aha! I have the
plug wrench, pulled out old number 1 and Voila, the plug, much to my
surprise was not wet. I could catch a faint whiff of petro when I put
it to my nose, but that's it. I don't think that that's classic
textbook flooded car "wet". So much for my theories to date. Not
having a remote starter (my wife wasn't at work with me, and the
cleaning lady had already gone home) I couldn't check if I had spark.
I scratched my head for a while, cranked it once with the plug hanging
over the alternator (not that I could even begin to see it from the
driver's seat. I didn't have a screwdriver to jump my solenoid, just
a 1/2" wrench and my socket driver which seemed like a bad idea on a
rainy day). So I put the plug back in, crank it and doggone it if it
doesn't start. Huh? Thankful (especially to Mike for encouraging me
to verify if it was flooded) and confused, I drive home brainstorming
new theories.
What about if I had "weak spark"? I have checked the coil resistances
and it's good, but what if my starter and solenoid are getting "worn"
and sucking more juice than they should, that could drop the system
voltage pretty low and without 11-12V, would the coil work right? I'm
thinking about putting my spare battery in the passenger floor and
wiring it directly into the coil to ensure it is seeing 12V. Whacked
idea? Other suggestions? Like I've described, once the thing is
started it runs fine, but when it's running, the alternator is keeping
the coil at a happy 12-13V.
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Re: '88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
Try the shot of gas down the carb. Seriously.
That will tell you if it is a fuel delivery problem real fast.
A dry plug sure implies no gas.
Weak spark or no spark equals a wet plug 'really, really' fast!
On my 258, I just need to loosen the nut on the top of the carb on top
of the air filter. The air filter has a nice hollow there, so I can
just trickle gas down there and it runs straight down the carb without
taking the air filter off.
I get one vroom, then it needs a second shot and sometimes a 3rd to pick
up the gas if the line is empty. (out of gas, have a new fuel gauge and
wiring with a warped sense of humor)
Mike
"averyislandboy@yahoo.com" wrote:
>
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3F83124C.E7063767@sympatico.ca>...
> > Jut try tossing a 1/8 cup or a couple tablespoons of gas down the carb
> > and see what happens.
> >
> > If it fires up, you have a hole in the gas line on the suction side of
> > the pump or a dead pump that is letting the gas backflow to the tank or
> > a torn diaphragm on the pump.
>
> The pump is brand new last month.
>
> >
> > Does the oil on the dipstick smell like gas?
>
> nope smells like SAE 30
>
> >
> > Oh, the choke is an electric timer job.
> >
> > It will be totally closed after 5 minutes and opens according to how
> > long 12 volts has been going to it. Piece of crap actually because it
> > doesn't have a clue how hot or cold the engine really is, just how long
> > it has had 12 volts.
>
> I don't think the choke is the prime offender since I tend to wedge it
> open while trying to start it.
>
> >
> > Mike
>
> Well, I actually took the plug wrench with me on a day that it acted
> up. Which was totally out of the normal pattern because it was cold
> and rainy. It also didn't start right up this morning, which is
> atypical. It started a couple of times throughout the day, but when
> it came to going home time it would not start. The engine was still
> warm from having driven to the office from our pilot plant in the
> previous 45 minutes or so. I cranked and cranked. Pumped the gas a
> couple of times for giggles and cranked. No start. Aha! I have the
> plug wrench, pulled out old number 1 and Voila, the plug, much to my
> surprise was not wet. I could catch a faint whiff of petro when I put
> it to my nose, but that's it. I don't think that that's classic
> textbook flooded car "wet". So much for my theories to date. Not
> having a remote starter (my wife wasn't at work with me, and the
> cleaning lady had already gone home) I couldn't check if I had spark.
> I scratched my head for a while, cranked it once with the plug hanging
> over the alternator (not that I could even begin to see it from the
> driver's seat. I didn't have a screwdriver to jump my solenoid, just
> a 1/2" wrench and my socket driver which seemed like a bad idea on a
> rainy day). So I put the plug back in, crank it and doggone it if it
> doesn't start. Huh? Thankful (especially to Mike for encouraging me
> to verify if it was flooded) and confused, I drive home brainstorming
> new theories.
>
> What about if I had "weak spark"? I have checked the coil resistances
> and it's good, but what if my starter and solenoid are getting "worn"
> and sucking more juice than they should, that could drop the system
> voltage pretty low and without 11-12V, would the coil work right? I'm
> thinking about putting my spare battery in the passenger floor and
> wiring it directly into the coil to ensure it is seeing 12V. Whacked
> idea? Other suggestions? Like I've described, once the thing is
> started it runs fine, but when it's running, the alternator is keeping
> the coil at a happy 12-13V.
That will tell you if it is a fuel delivery problem real fast.
A dry plug sure implies no gas.
Weak spark or no spark equals a wet plug 'really, really' fast!
On my 258, I just need to loosen the nut on the top of the carb on top
of the air filter. The air filter has a nice hollow there, so I can
just trickle gas down there and it runs straight down the carb without
taking the air filter off.
I get one vroom, then it needs a second shot and sometimes a 3rd to pick
up the gas if the line is empty. (out of gas, have a new fuel gauge and
wiring with a warped sense of humor)
Mike
"averyislandboy@yahoo.com" wrote:
>
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3F83124C.E7063767@sympatico.ca>...
> > Jut try tossing a 1/8 cup or a couple tablespoons of gas down the carb
> > and see what happens.
> >
> > If it fires up, you have a hole in the gas line on the suction side of
> > the pump or a dead pump that is letting the gas backflow to the tank or
> > a torn diaphragm on the pump.
>
> The pump is brand new last month.
>
> >
> > Does the oil on the dipstick smell like gas?
>
> nope smells like SAE 30
>
> >
> > Oh, the choke is an electric timer job.
> >
> > It will be totally closed after 5 minutes and opens according to how
> > long 12 volts has been going to it. Piece of crap actually because it
> > doesn't have a clue how hot or cold the engine really is, just how long
> > it has had 12 volts.
>
> I don't think the choke is the prime offender since I tend to wedge it
> open while trying to start it.
>
> >
> > Mike
>
> Well, I actually took the plug wrench with me on a day that it acted
> up. Which was totally out of the normal pattern because it was cold
> and rainy. It also didn't start right up this morning, which is
> atypical. It started a couple of times throughout the day, but when
> it came to going home time it would not start. The engine was still
> warm from having driven to the office from our pilot plant in the
> previous 45 minutes or so. I cranked and cranked. Pumped the gas a
> couple of times for giggles and cranked. No start. Aha! I have the
> plug wrench, pulled out old number 1 and Voila, the plug, much to my
> surprise was not wet. I could catch a faint whiff of petro when I put
> it to my nose, but that's it. I don't think that that's classic
> textbook flooded car "wet". So much for my theories to date. Not
> having a remote starter (my wife wasn't at work with me, and the
> cleaning lady had already gone home) I couldn't check if I had spark.
> I scratched my head for a while, cranked it once with the plug hanging
> over the alternator (not that I could even begin to see it from the
> driver's seat. I didn't have a screwdriver to jump my solenoid, just
> a 1/2" wrench and my socket driver which seemed like a bad idea on a
> rainy day). So I put the plug back in, crank it and doggone it if it
> doesn't start. Huh? Thankful (especially to Mike for encouraging me
> to verify if it was flooded) and confused, I drive home brainstorming
> new theories.
>
> What about if I had "weak spark"? I have checked the coil resistances
> and it's good, but what if my starter and solenoid are getting "worn"
> and sucking more juice than they should, that could drop the system
> voltage pretty low and without 11-12V, would the coil work right? I'm
> thinking about putting my spare battery in the passenger floor and
> wiring it directly into the coil to ensure it is seeing 12V. Whacked
> idea? Other suggestions? Like I've described, once the thing is
> started it runs fine, but when it's running, the alternator is keeping
> the coil at a happy 12-13V.
Guest
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Re: '88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
Try the shot of gas down the carb. Seriously.
That will tell you if it is a fuel delivery problem real fast.
A dry plug sure implies no gas.
Weak spark or no spark equals a wet plug 'really, really' fast!
On my 258, I just need to loosen the nut on the top of the carb on top
of the air filter. The air filter has a nice hollow there, so I can
just trickle gas down there and it runs straight down the carb without
taking the air filter off.
I get one vroom, then it needs a second shot and sometimes a 3rd to pick
up the gas if the line is empty. (out of gas, have a new fuel gauge and
wiring with a warped sense of humor)
Mike
"averyislandboy@yahoo.com" wrote:
>
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3F83124C.E7063767@sympatico.ca>...
> > Jut try tossing a 1/8 cup or a couple tablespoons of gas down the carb
> > and see what happens.
> >
> > If it fires up, you have a hole in the gas line on the suction side of
> > the pump or a dead pump that is letting the gas backflow to the tank or
> > a torn diaphragm on the pump.
>
> The pump is brand new last month.
>
> >
> > Does the oil on the dipstick smell like gas?
>
> nope smells like SAE 30
>
> >
> > Oh, the choke is an electric timer job.
> >
> > It will be totally closed after 5 minutes and opens according to how
> > long 12 volts has been going to it. Piece of crap actually because it
> > doesn't have a clue how hot or cold the engine really is, just how long
> > it has had 12 volts.
>
> I don't think the choke is the prime offender since I tend to wedge it
> open while trying to start it.
>
> >
> > Mike
>
> Well, I actually took the plug wrench with me on a day that it acted
> up. Which was totally out of the normal pattern because it was cold
> and rainy. It also didn't start right up this morning, which is
> atypical. It started a couple of times throughout the day, but when
> it came to going home time it would not start. The engine was still
> warm from having driven to the office from our pilot plant in the
> previous 45 minutes or so. I cranked and cranked. Pumped the gas a
> couple of times for giggles and cranked. No start. Aha! I have the
> plug wrench, pulled out old number 1 and Voila, the plug, much to my
> surprise was not wet. I could catch a faint whiff of petro when I put
> it to my nose, but that's it. I don't think that that's classic
> textbook flooded car "wet". So much for my theories to date. Not
> having a remote starter (my wife wasn't at work with me, and the
> cleaning lady had already gone home) I couldn't check if I had spark.
> I scratched my head for a while, cranked it once with the plug hanging
> over the alternator (not that I could even begin to see it from the
> driver's seat. I didn't have a screwdriver to jump my solenoid, just
> a 1/2" wrench and my socket driver which seemed like a bad idea on a
> rainy day). So I put the plug back in, crank it and doggone it if it
> doesn't start. Huh? Thankful (especially to Mike for encouraging me
> to verify if it was flooded) and confused, I drive home brainstorming
> new theories.
>
> What about if I had "weak spark"? I have checked the coil resistances
> and it's good, but what if my starter and solenoid are getting "worn"
> and sucking more juice than they should, that could drop the system
> voltage pretty low and without 11-12V, would the coil work right? I'm
> thinking about putting my spare battery in the passenger floor and
> wiring it directly into the coil to ensure it is seeing 12V. Whacked
> idea? Other suggestions? Like I've described, once the thing is
> started it runs fine, but when it's running, the alternator is keeping
> the coil at a happy 12-13V.
That will tell you if it is a fuel delivery problem real fast.
A dry plug sure implies no gas.
Weak spark or no spark equals a wet plug 'really, really' fast!
On my 258, I just need to loosen the nut on the top of the carb on top
of the air filter. The air filter has a nice hollow there, so I can
just trickle gas down there and it runs straight down the carb without
taking the air filter off.
I get one vroom, then it needs a second shot and sometimes a 3rd to pick
up the gas if the line is empty. (out of gas, have a new fuel gauge and
wiring with a warped sense of humor)
Mike
"averyislandboy@yahoo.com" wrote:
>
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3F83124C.E7063767@sympatico.ca>...
> > Jut try tossing a 1/8 cup or a couple tablespoons of gas down the carb
> > and see what happens.
> >
> > If it fires up, you have a hole in the gas line on the suction side of
> > the pump or a dead pump that is letting the gas backflow to the tank or
> > a torn diaphragm on the pump.
>
> The pump is brand new last month.
>
> >
> > Does the oil on the dipstick smell like gas?
>
> nope smells like SAE 30
>
> >
> > Oh, the choke is an electric timer job.
> >
> > It will be totally closed after 5 minutes and opens according to how
> > long 12 volts has been going to it. Piece of crap actually because it
> > doesn't have a clue how hot or cold the engine really is, just how long
> > it has had 12 volts.
>
> I don't think the choke is the prime offender since I tend to wedge it
> open while trying to start it.
>
> >
> > Mike
>
> Well, I actually took the plug wrench with me on a day that it acted
> up. Which was totally out of the normal pattern because it was cold
> and rainy. It also didn't start right up this morning, which is
> atypical. It started a couple of times throughout the day, but when
> it came to going home time it would not start. The engine was still
> warm from having driven to the office from our pilot plant in the
> previous 45 minutes or so. I cranked and cranked. Pumped the gas a
> couple of times for giggles and cranked. No start. Aha! I have the
> plug wrench, pulled out old number 1 and Voila, the plug, much to my
> surprise was not wet. I could catch a faint whiff of petro when I put
> it to my nose, but that's it. I don't think that that's classic
> textbook flooded car "wet". So much for my theories to date. Not
> having a remote starter (my wife wasn't at work with me, and the
> cleaning lady had already gone home) I couldn't check if I had spark.
> I scratched my head for a while, cranked it once with the plug hanging
> over the alternator (not that I could even begin to see it from the
> driver's seat. I didn't have a screwdriver to jump my solenoid, just
> a 1/2" wrench and my socket driver which seemed like a bad idea on a
> rainy day). So I put the plug back in, crank it and doggone it if it
> doesn't start. Huh? Thankful (especially to Mike for encouraging me
> to verify if it was flooded) and confused, I drive home brainstorming
> new theories.
>
> What about if I had "weak spark"? I have checked the coil resistances
> and it's good, but what if my starter and solenoid are getting "worn"
> and sucking more juice than they should, that could drop the system
> voltage pretty low and without 11-12V, would the coil work right? I'm
> thinking about putting my spare battery in the passenger floor and
> wiring it directly into the coil to ensure it is seeing 12V. Whacked
> idea? Other suggestions? Like I've described, once the thing is
> started it runs fine, but when it's running, the alternator is keeping
> the coil at a happy 12-13V.
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: '88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
Try the shot of gas down the carb. Seriously.
That will tell you if it is a fuel delivery problem real fast.
A dry plug sure implies no gas.
Weak spark or no spark equals a wet plug 'really, really' fast!
On my 258, I just need to loosen the nut on the top of the carb on top
of the air filter. The air filter has a nice hollow there, so I can
just trickle gas down there and it runs straight down the carb without
taking the air filter off.
I get one vroom, then it needs a second shot and sometimes a 3rd to pick
up the gas if the line is empty. (out of gas, have a new fuel gauge and
wiring with a warped sense of humor)
Mike
"averyislandboy@yahoo.com" wrote:
>
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3F83124C.E7063767@sympatico.ca>...
> > Jut try tossing a 1/8 cup or a couple tablespoons of gas down the carb
> > and see what happens.
> >
> > If it fires up, you have a hole in the gas line on the suction side of
> > the pump or a dead pump that is letting the gas backflow to the tank or
> > a torn diaphragm on the pump.
>
> The pump is brand new last month.
>
> >
> > Does the oil on the dipstick smell like gas?
>
> nope smells like SAE 30
>
> >
> > Oh, the choke is an electric timer job.
> >
> > It will be totally closed after 5 minutes and opens according to how
> > long 12 volts has been going to it. Piece of crap actually because it
> > doesn't have a clue how hot or cold the engine really is, just how long
> > it has had 12 volts.
>
> I don't think the choke is the prime offender since I tend to wedge it
> open while trying to start it.
>
> >
> > Mike
>
> Well, I actually took the plug wrench with me on a day that it acted
> up. Which was totally out of the normal pattern because it was cold
> and rainy. It also didn't start right up this morning, which is
> atypical. It started a couple of times throughout the day, but when
> it came to going home time it would not start. The engine was still
> warm from having driven to the office from our pilot plant in the
> previous 45 minutes or so. I cranked and cranked. Pumped the gas a
> couple of times for giggles and cranked. No start. Aha! I have the
> plug wrench, pulled out old number 1 and Voila, the plug, much to my
> surprise was not wet. I could catch a faint whiff of petro when I put
> it to my nose, but that's it. I don't think that that's classic
> textbook flooded car "wet". So much for my theories to date. Not
> having a remote starter (my wife wasn't at work with me, and the
> cleaning lady had already gone home) I couldn't check if I had spark.
> I scratched my head for a while, cranked it once with the plug hanging
> over the alternator (not that I could even begin to see it from the
> driver's seat. I didn't have a screwdriver to jump my solenoid, just
> a 1/2" wrench and my socket driver which seemed like a bad idea on a
> rainy day). So I put the plug back in, crank it and doggone it if it
> doesn't start. Huh? Thankful (especially to Mike for encouraging me
> to verify if it was flooded) and confused, I drive home brainstorming
> new theories.
>
> What about if I had "weak spark"? I have checked the coil resistances
> and it's good, but what if my starter and solenoid are getting "worn"
> and sucking more juice than they should, that could drop the system
> voltage pretty low and without 11-12V, would the coil work right? I'm
> thinking about putting my spare battery in the passenger floor and
> wiring it directly into the coil to ensure it is seeing 12V. Whacked
> idea? Other suggestions? Like I've described, once the thing is
> started it runs fine, but when it's running, the alternator is keeping
> the coil at a happy 12-13V.
That will tell you if it is a fuel delivery problem real fast.
A dry plug sure implies no gas.
Weak spark or no spark equals a wet plug 'really, really' fast!
On my 258, I just need to loosen the nut on the top of the carb on top
of the air filter. The air filter has a nice hollow there, so I can
just trickle gas down there and it runs straight down the carb without
taking the air filter off.
I get one vroom, then it needs a second shot and sometimes a 3rd to pick
up the gas if the line is empty. (out of gas, have a new fuel gauge and
wiring with a warped sense of humor)
Mike
"averyislandboy@yahoo.com" wrote:
>
> Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3F83124C.E7063767@sympatico.ca>...
> > Jut try tossing a 1/8 cup or a couple tablespoons of gas down the carb
> > and see what happens.
> >
> > If it fires up, you have a hole in the gas line on the suction side of
> > the pump or a dead pump that is letting the gas backflow to the tank or
> > a torn diaphragm on the pump.
>
> The pump is brand new last month.
>
> >
> > Does the oil on the dipstick smell like gas?
>
> nope smells like SAE 30
>
> >
> > Oh, the choke is an electric timer job.
> >
> > It will be totally closed after 5 minutes and opens according to how
> > long 12 volts has been going to it. Piece of crap actually because it
> > doesn't have a clue how hot or cold the engine really is, just how long
> > it has had 12 volts.
>
> I don't think the choke is the prime offender since I tend to wedge it
> open while trying to start it.
>
> >
> > Mike
>
> Well, I actually took the plug wrench with me on a day that it acted
> up. Which was totally out of the normal pattern because it was cold
> and rainy. It also didn't start right up this morning, which is
> atypical. It started a couple of times throughout the day, but when
> it came to going home time it would not start. The engine was still
> warm from having driven to the office from our pilot plant in the
> previous 45 minutes or so. I cranked and cranked. Pumped the gas a
> couple of times for giggles and cranked. No start. Aha! I have the
> plug wrench, pulled out old number 1 and Voila, the plug, much to my
> surprise was not wet. I could catch a faint whiff of petro when I put
> it to my nose, but that's it. I don't think that that's classic
> textbook flooded car "wet". So much for my theories to date. Not
> having a remote starter (my wife wasn't at work with me, and the
> cleaning lady had already gone home) I couldn't check if I had spark.
> I scratched my head for a while, cranked it once with the plug hanging
> over the alternator (not that I could even begin to see it from the
> driver's seat. I didn't have a screwdriver to jump my solenoid, just
> a 1/2" wrench and my socket driver which seemed like a bad idea on a
> rainy day). So I put the plug back in, crank it and doggone it if it
> doesn't start. Huh? Thankful (especially to Mike for encouraging me
> to verify if it was flooded) and confused, I drive home brainstorming
> new theories.
>
> What about if I had "weak spark"? I have checked the coil resistances
> and it's good, but what if my starter and solenoid are getting "worn"
> and sucking more juice than they should, that could drop the system
> voltage pretty low and without 11-12V, would the coil work right? I'm
> thinking about putting my spare battery in the passenger floor and
> wiring it directly into the coil to ensure it is seeing 12V. Whacked
> idea? Other suggestions? Like I've described, once the thing is
> started it runs fine, but when it's running, the alternator is keeping
> the coil at a happy 12-13V.
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Re: '88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> I have a buddy that learned all about those starter remotes the hard
> way. He was turning it over and it started unexpectedly.
SOP is to pull the coil wire and jumper it to ground... don't
mess with one if you don't know what you're doing.
__
Steve
ps sorry about your buddy...
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Re: '88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F8412D6.9744B29E@sympatico.ca...
> I have a buddy that learned all about those starter remotes the hard
> way. He was turning it over and it started unexpectedly.
SOP is to pull the coil wire and jumper it to ground... don't
mess with one if you don't know what you're doing.
__
Steve
ps sorry about your buddy...
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Re: '88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F8412D6.9744B29E@sympatico.ca...
> I have a buddy that learned all about those starter remotes the hard
> way. He was turning it over and it started unexpectedly.
SOP is to pull the coil wire and jumper it to ground... don't
mess with one if you don't know what you're doing.
__
Steve
ps sorry about your buddy...
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Re: '88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F8412D6.9744B29E@sympatico.ca...
> > I have a buddy that learned all about those starter remotes the hard
> > way. He was turning it over and it started unexpectedly.
>
> SOP is to pull the coil wire and jumper it to ground... don't
> mess with one if you don't know what you're doing.
> __
> Steve
>
> ps sorry about your buddy...
He wasn't 'thinking' or expecting it to fire up because it was dead and
he wasn't careful!
It happened 15 years ago and now he needs the second hip.
He still gets teased about it because he is a 'Newfie' from
Newfoundland. Most countries have their area jokes and in Canada they
are 'Newfie' jokes.
I mean, it would take a 'Newfie' to run himself down with his own car,
eh...
;-)
He did do a good thing though, I now make double sure no one is in front
of anything that cranks over for any reason and have seen a couple jump
forward....
I also am around a lot of driveway repairs with lots of 'spectators'.
Never stand in front of anything when the starter fires!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F8412D6.9744B29E@sympatico.ca...
> > I have a buddy that learned all about those starter remotes the hard
> > way. He was turning it over and it started unexpectedly.
>
> SOP is to pull the coil wire and jumper it to ground... don't
> mess with one if you don't know what you're doing.
> __
> Steve
>
> ps sorry about your buddy...
He wasn't 'thinking' or expecting it to fire up because it was dead and
he wasn't careful!
It happened 15 years ago and now he needs the second hip.
He still gets teased about it because he is a 'Newfie' from
Newfoundland. Most countries have their area jokes and in Canada they
are 'Newfie' jokes.
I mean, it would take a 'Newfie' to run himself down with his own car,
eh...
;-)
He did do a good thing though, I now make double sure no one is in front
of anything that cranks over for any reason and have seen a couple jump
forward....
I also am around a lot of driveway repairs with lots of 'spectators'.
Never stand in front of anything when the starter fires!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Re: '88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
Stephen Cowell wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F8412D6.9744B29E@sympatico.ca...
> > I have a buddy that learned all about those starter remotes the hard
> > way. He was turning it over and it started unexpectedly.
>
> SOP is to pull the coil wire and jumper it to ground... don't
> mess with one if you don't know what you're doing.
> __
> Steve
>
> ps sorry about your buddy...
He wasn't 'thinking' or expecting it to fire up because it was dead and
he wasn't careful!
It happened 15 years ago and now he needs the second hip.
He still gets teased about it because he is a 'Newfie' from
Newfoundland. Most countries have their area jokes and in Canada they
are 'Newfie' jokes.
I mean, it would take a 'Newfie' to run himself down with his own car,
eh...
;-)
He did do a good thing though, I now make double sure no one is in front
of anything that cranks over for any reason and have seen a couple jump
forward....
I also am around a lot of driveway repairs with lots of 'spectators'.
Never stand in front of anything when the starter fires!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F8412D6.9744B29E@sympatico.ca...
> > I have a buddy that learned all about those starter remotes the hard
> > way. He was turning it over and it started unexpectedly.
>
> SOP is to pull the coil wire and jumper it to ground... don't
> mess with one if you don't know what you're doing.
> __
> Steve
>
> ps sorry about your buddy...
He wasn't 'thinking' or expecting it to fire up because it was dead and
he wasn't careful!
It happened 15 years ago and now he needs the second hip.
He still gets teased about it because he is a 'Newfie' from
Newfoundland. Most countries have their area jokes and in Canada they
are 'Newfie' jokes.
I mean, it would take a 'Newfie' to run himself down with his own car,
eh...
;-)
He did do a good thing though, I now make double sure no one is in front
of anything that cranks over for any reason and have seen a couple jump
forward....
I also am around a lot of driveway repairs with lots of 'spectators'.
Never stand in front of anything when the starter fires!
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
