'88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
10-06-2003, 11:52 PM
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Re: '88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
<averyislandboy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I would normally follow the sequence as you described. I'm familiar
> with the working of the pumper jets and the choke. I don't pump the
> gas now, because that only contributes to the flooding problem. I've
> tried holding the throttle open and not even touching the pedal and
> the not-touching thing works better most days.
Aren't the throttle and the pedal the same thing? Or are we
misunderstanding each other?
It shouldn't be too hard to pull a plug... if you're under
the hood, just pop one out. It's not like my '00XJ,
where an entire assembly must come off before you
can even see a plug. It does sound like flooding...
__
Steve
..
10-07-2003, 02:46 PM
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Re: '88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
" Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:<SLqgb.1427$T4.483011675@newssvr30.news.prodi gy.com>...
> <averyislandboy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:a188e6f3.0310061650.1af17786@posting.google.c om...
> > I would normally follow the sequence as you described. I'm familiar
> > with the working of the pumper jets and the choke. I don't pump the
> > gas now, because that only contributes to the flooding problem. I've
> > tried holding the throttle open and not even touching the pedal and
> > the not-touching thing works better most days.
>
> Aren't the throttle and the pedal the same thing? Or are we
> misunderstanding each other?
>
> It shouldn't be too hard to pull a plug... if you're under
> the hood, just pop one out. It's not like my '00XJ,
> where an entire assembly must come off before you
> can even see a plug. It does sound like flooding...
> __
I guess it's not so much the pulling the plug as it is remembering to
throw the plug wrench into the Jeep, plus that's like admitting defeat
up front. I guess I'm so convinced it's flooding I haven't put much
priority on it, but you're right about needing to confirm it.
Assuming the nature of the problem without direct evidence certainly
complicates matters.
> Steve
> .
> <averyislandboy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:a188e6f3.0310061650.1af17786@posting.google.c om...
> > I would normally follow the sequence as you described. I'm familiar
> > with the working of the pumper jets and the choke. I don't pump the
> > gas now, because that only contributes to the flooding problem. I've
> > tried holding the throttle open and not even touching the pedal and
> > the not-touching thing works better most days.
>
> Aren't the throttle and the pedal the same thing? Or are we
> misunderstanding each other?
>
> It shouldn't be too hard to pull a plug... if you're under
> the hood, just pop one out. It's not like my '00XJ,
> where an entire assembly must come off before you
> can even see a plug. It does sound like flooding...
> __
I guess it's not so much the pulling the plug as it is remembering to
throw the plug wrench into the Jeep, plus that's like admitting defeat
up front. I guess I'm so convinced it's flooding I haven't put much
priority on it, but you're right about needing to confirm it.
Assuming the nature of the problem without direct evidence certainly
complicates matters.
> Steve
> .
10-07-2003, 02:46 PM
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Re: '88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
" Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:<SLqgb.1427$T4.483011675@newssvr30.news.prodi gy.com>...
> <averyislandboy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:a188e6f3.0310061650.1af17786@posting.google.c om...
> > I would normally follow the sequence as you described. I'm familiar
> > with the working of the pumper jets and the choke. I don't pump the
> > gas now, because that only contributes to the flooding problem. I've
> > tried holding the throttle open and not even touching the pedal and
> > the not-touching thing works better most days.
>
> Aren't the throttle and the pedal the same thing? Or are we
> misunderstanding each other?
>
> It shouldn't be too hard to pull a plug... if you're under
> the hood, just pop one out. It's not like my '00XJ,
> where an entire assembly must come off before you
> can even see a plug. It does sound like flooding...
> __
I guess it's not so much the pulling the plug as it is remembering to
throw the plug wrench into the Jeep, plus that's like admitting defeat
up front. I guess I'm so convinced it's flooding I haven't put much
priority on it, but you're right about needing to confirm it.
Assuming the nature of the problem without direct evidence certainly
complicates matters.
> Steve
> .
> <averyislandboy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:a188e6f3.0310061650.1af17786@posting.google.c om...
> > I would normally follow the sequence as you described. I'm familiar
> > with the working of the pumper jets and the choke. I don't pump the
> > gas now, because that only contributes to the flooding problem. I've
> > tried holding the throttle open and not even touching the pedal and
> > the not-touching thing works better most days.
>
> Aren't the throttle and the pedal the same thing? Or are we
> misunderstanding each other?
>
> It shouldn't be too hard to pull a plug... if you're under
> the hood, just pop one out. It's not like my '00XJ,
> where an entire assembly must come off before you
> can even see a plug. It does sound like flooding...
> __
I guess it's not so much the pulling the plug as it is remembering to
throw the plug wrench into the Jeep, plus that's like admitting defeat
up front. I guess I'm so convinced it's flooding I haven't put much
priority on it, but you're right about needing to confirm it.
Assuming the nature of the problem without direct evidence certainly
complicates matters.
> Steve
> .
10-07-2003, 02:46 PM
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Re: '88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
" Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:<SLqgb.1427$T4.483011675@newssvr30.news.prodi gy.com>...
> <averyislandboy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:a188e6f3.0310061650.1af17786@posting.google.c om...
> > I would normally follow the sequence as you described. I'm familiar
> > with the working of the pumper jets and the choke. I don't pump the
> > gas now, because that only contributes to the flooding problem. I've
> > tried holding the throttle open and not even touching the pedal and
> > the not-touching thing works better most days.
>
> Aren't the throttle and the pedal the same thing? Or are we
> misunderstanding each other?
>
> It shouldn't be too hard to pull a plug... if you're under
> the hood, just pop one out. It's not like my '00XJ,
> where an entire assembly must come off before you
> can even see a plug. It does sound like flooding...
> __
I guess it's not so much the pulling the plug as it is remembering to
throw the plug wrench into the Jeep, plus that's like admitting defeat
up front. I guess I'm so convinced it's flooding I haven't put much
priority on it, but you're right about needing to confirm it.
Assuming the nature of the problem without direct evidence certainly
complicates matters.
> Steve
> .
> <averyislandboy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:a188e6f3.0310061650.1af17786@posting.google.c om...
> > I would normally follow the sequence as you described. I'm familiar
> > with the working of the pumper jets and the choke. I don't pump the
> > gas now, because that only contributes to the flooding problem. I've
> > tried holding the throttle open and not even touching the pedal and
> > the not-touching thing works better most days.
>
> Aren't the throttle and the pedal the same thing? Or are we
> misunderstanding each other?
>
> It shouldn't be too hard to pull a plug... if you're under
> the hood, just pop one out. It's not like my '00XJ,
> where an entire assembly must come off before you
> can even see a plug. It does sound like flooding...
> __
I guess it's not so much the pulling the plug as it is remembering to
throw the plug wrench into the Jeep, plus that's like admitting defeat
up front. I guess I'm so convinced it's flooding I haven't put much
priority on it, but you're right about needing to confirm it.
Assuming the nature of the problem without direct evidence certainly
complicates matters.
> Steve
> .
10-07-2003, 02:51 PM
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Re: '88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3F822976.81013A6D@sympatico.ca>...
> "averyislandboy@yahoo.com" wrote:
> <snip>
> >
> > Plugged vent, hmm, interesting idea. That makes some sense, I will
> > definitely give it a try. The next time the old carby is apart
> > (prolly next weekend) I'll check it over for leaks. Thanks.
>
> Not a hope, the charcoal canister is the vent and the vent for the carb
> float bowl. When running they can get a vacuum on them if the filter on
> the bottom of the canister gets plugged, but let it sit for 10 minutes,
> or crack the gas cap open and away you go. It will 'not' hold a vacuum
> for very long. Even mud packed like my first one was when I needed a
> hammer and chisel to get the bugger out.
>
I guess I didn't explain my plan well. I left my gas cap off today
hoping that would depressurize the fuel system. It didn't work. I'm
sitting here now with a dead Jeep outside when I need to be somewhere
else. Oh the humanity. . .
In addition to that plan I was going to check for leaks in the float
bowl. I guess that's still on my action plan list.
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> "averyislandboy@yahoo.com" wrote:
> <snip>
> >
> > Plugged vent, hmm, interesting idea. That makes some sense, I will
> > definitely give it a try. The next time the old carby is apart
> > (prolly next weekend) I'll check it over for leaks. Thanks.
>
> Not a hope, the charcoal canister is the vent and the vent for the carb
> float bowl. When running they can get a vacuum on them if the filter on
> the bottom of the canister gets plugged, but let it sit for 10 minutes,
> or crack the gas cap open and away you go. It will 'not' hold a vacuum
> for very long. Even mud packed like my first one was when I needed a
> hammer and chisel to get the bugger out.
>
I guess I didn't explain my plan well. I left my gas cap off today
hoping that would depressurize the fuel system. It didn't work. I'm
sitting here now with a dead Jeep outside when I need to be somewhere
else. Oh the humanity. . .
In addition to that plan I was going to check for leaks in the float
bowl. I guess that's still on my action plan list.
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
10-07-2003, 02:51 PM
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Re: '88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3F822976.81013A6D@sympatico.ca>...
> "averyislandboy@yahoo.com" wrote:
> <snip>
> >
> > Plugged vent, hmm, interesting idea. That makes some sense, I will
> > definitely give it a try. The next time the old carby is apart
> > (prolly next weekend) I'll check it over for leaks. Thanks.
>
> Not a hope, the charcoal canister is the vent and the vent for the carb
> float bowl. When running they can get a vacuum on them if the filter on
> the bottom of the canister gets plugged, but let it sit for 10 minutes,
> or crack the gas cap open and away you go. It will 'not' hold a vacuum
> for very long. Even mud packed like my first one was when I needed a
> hammer and chisel to get the bugger out.
>
I guess I didn't explain my plan well. I left my gas cap off today
hoping that would depressurize the fuel system. It didn't work. I'm
sitting here now with a dead Jeep outside when I need to be somewhere
else. Oh the humanity. . .
In addition to that plan I was going to check for leaks in the float
bowl. I guess that's still on my action plan list.
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> "averyislandboy@yahoo.com" wrote:
> <snip>
> >
> > Plugged vent, hmm, interesting idea. That makes some sense, I will
> > definitely give it a try. The next time the old carby is apart
> > (prolly next weekend) I'll check it over for leaks. Thanks.
>
> Not a hope, the charcoal canister is the vent and the vent for the carb
> float bowl. When running they can get a vacuum on them if the filter on
> the bottom of the canister gets plugged, but let it sit for 10 minutes,
> or crack the gas cap open and away you go. It will 'not' hold a vacuum
> for very long. Even mud packed like my first one was when I needed a
> hammer and chisel to get the bugger out.
>
I guess I didn't explain my plan well. I left my gas cap off today
hoping that would depressurize the fuel system. It didn't work. I'm
sitting here now with a dead Jeep outside when I need to be somewhere
else. Oh the humanity. . .
In addition to that plan I was going to check for leaks in the float
bowl. I guess that's still on my action plan list.
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
10-07-2003, 02:51 PM
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Re: '88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<3F822976.81013A6D@sympatico.ca>...
> "averyislandboy@yahoo.com" wrote:
> <snip>
> >
> > Plugged vent, hmm, interesting idea. That makes some sense, I will
> > definitely give it a try. The next time the old carby is apart
> > (prolly next weekend) I'll check it over for leaks. Thanks.
>
> Not a hope, the charcoal canister is the vent and the vent for the carb
> float bowl. When running they can get a vacuum on them if the filter on
> the bottom of the canister gets plugged, but let it sit for 10 minutes,
> or crack the gas cap open and away you go. It will 'not' hold a vacuum
> for very long. Even mud packed like my first one was when I needed a
> hammer and chisel to get the bugger out.
>
I guess I didn't explain my plan well. I left my gas cap off today
hoping that would depressurize the fuel system. It didn't work. I'm
sitting here now with a dead Jeep outside when I need to be somewhere
else. Oh the humanity. . .
In addition to that plan I was going to check for leaks in the float
bowl. I guess that's still on my action plan list.
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> "averyislandboy@yahoo.com" wrote:
> <snip>
> >
> > Plugged vent, hmm, interesting idea. That makes some sense, I will
> > definitely give it a try. The next time the old carby is apart
> > (prolly next weekend) I'll check it over for leaks. Thanks.
>
> Not a hope, the charcoal canister is the vent and the vent for the carb
> float bowl. When running they can get a vacuum on them if the filter on
> the bottom of the canister gets plugged, but let it sit for 10 minutes,
> or crack the gas cap open and away you go. It will 'not' hold a vacuum
> for very long. Even mud packed like my first one was when I needed a
> hammer and chisel to get the bugger out.
>
I guess I didn't explain my plan well. I left my gas cap off today
hoping that would depressurize the fuel system. It didn't work. I'm
sitting here now with a dead Jeep outside when I need to be somewhere
else. Oh the humanity. . .
In addition to that plan I was going to check for leaks in the float
bowl. I guess that's still on my action plan list.
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
10-07-2003, 02:54 PM
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Re: '88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
" Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:<SLqgb.1427$T4.483011675@newssvr30.news.prodi gy.com>...
> <averyislandboy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:a188e6f3.0310061650.1af17786@posting.google.c om...
> > I would normally follow the sequence as you described. I'm familiar
> > with the working of the pumper jets and the choke. I don't pump the
> > gas now, because that only contributes to the flooding problem. I've
> > tried holding the throttle open and not even touching the pedal and
> > the not-touching thing works better most days.
>
> Aren't the throttle and the pedal the same thing? Or are we
> misunderstanding each other?
>
My sentence structure sucked, sorry. I meant to say that I've tried
to approach the evening startup ritual two different ways. The first
is to do the typical, hold the pedal down (throttle open) and crank
the crap out of it. The other technique is to not even touch the
pedal (throttle closed) and crank the crap out of it. I'm currently
scoring more successes by not touching the pedal than if I hold it
down.
thanks for patience
> It shouldn't be too hard to pull a plug... if you're under
> the hood, just pop one out. It's not like my '00XJ,
> where an entire assembly must come off before you
> can even see a plug. It does sound like flooding...
> __
> Steve
> .
> <averyislandboy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:a188e6f3.0310061650.1af17786@posting.google.c om...
> > I would normally follow the sequence as you described. I'm familiar
> > with the working of the pumper jets and the choke. I don't pump the
> > gas now, because that only contributes to the flooding problem. I've
> > tried holding the throttle open and not even touching the pedal and
> > the not-touching thing works better most days.
>
> Aren't the throttle and the pedal the same thing? Or are we
> misunderstanding each other?
>
My sentence structure sucked, sorry. I meant to say that I've tried
to approach the evening startup ritual two different ways. The first
is to do the typical, hold the pedal down (throttle open) and crank
the crap out of it. The other technique is to not even touch the
pedal (throttle closed) and crank the crap out of it. I'm currently
scoring more successes by not touching the pedal than if I hold it
down.
thanks for patience
> It shouldn't be too hard to pull a plug... if you're under
> the hood, just pop one out. It's not like my '00XJ,
> where an entire assembly must come off before you
> can even see a plug. It does sound like flooding...
> __
> Steve
> .
10-07-2003, 02:54 PM
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Re: '88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
" Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:<SLqgb.1427$T4.483011675@newssvr30.news.prodi gy.com>...
> <averyislandboy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:a188e6f3.0310061650.1af17786@posting.google.c om...
> > I would normally follow the sequence as you described. I'm familiar
> > with the working of the pumper jets and the choke. I don't pump the
> > gas now, because that only contributes to the flooding problem. I've
> > tried holding the throttle open and not even touching the pedal and
> > the not-touching thing works better most days.
>
> Aren't the throttle and the pedal the same thing? Or are we
> misunderstanding each other?
>
My sentence structure sucked, sorry. I meant to say that I've tried
to approach the evening startup ritual two different ways. The first
is to do the typical, hold the pedal down (throttle open) and crank
the crap out of it. The other technique is to not even touch the
pedal (throttle closed) and crank the crap out of it. I'm currently
scoring more successes by not touching the pedal than if I hold it
down.
thanks for patience
> It shouldn't be too hard to pull a plug... if you're under
> the hood, just pop one out. It's not like my '00XJ,
> where an entire assembly must come off before you
> can even see a plug. It does sound like flooding...
> __
> Steve
> .
> <averyislandboy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:a188e6f3.0310061650.1af17786@posting.google.c om...
> > I would normally follow the sequence as you described. I'm familiar
> > with the working of the pumper jets and the choke. I don't pump the
> > gas now, because that only contributes to the flooding problem. I've
> > tried holding the throttle open and not even touching the pedal and
> > the not-touching thing works better most days.
>
> Aren't the throttle and the pedal the same thing? Or are we
> misunderstanding each other?
>
My sentence structure sucked, sorry. I meant to say that I've tried
to approach the evening startup ritual two different ways. The first
is to do the typical, hold the pedal down (throttle open) and crank
the crap out of it. The other technique is to not even touch the
pedal (throttle closed) and crank the crap out of it. I'm currently
scoring more successes by not touching the pedal than if I hold it
down.
thanks for patience
> It shouldn't be too hard to pull a plug... if you're under
> the hood, just pop one out. It's not like my '00XJ,
> where an entire assembly must come off before you
> can even see a plug. It does sound like flooding...
> __
> Steve
> .
10-07-2003, 02:54 PM
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Re: '88 YJ 258 ci with carter Hard Warm Start
" Stephen Cowell" <scowell@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:<SLqgb.1427$T4.483011675@newssvr30.news.prodi gy.com>...
> <averyislandboy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:a188e6f3.0310061650.1af17786@posting.google.c om...
> > I would normally follow the sequence as you described. I'm familiar
> > with the working of the pumper jets and the choke. I don't pump the
> > gas now, because that only contributes to the flooding problem. I've
> > tried holding the throttle open and not even touching the pedal and
> > the not-touching thing works better most days.
>
> Aren't the throttle and the pedal the same thing? Or are we
> misunderstanding each other?
>
My sentence structure sucked, sorry. I meant to say that I've tried
to approach the evening startup ritual two different ways. The first
is to do the typical, hold the pedal down (throttle open) and crank
the crap out of it. The other technique is to not even touch the
pedal (throttle closed) and crank the crap out of it. I'm currently
scoring more successes by not touching the pedal than if I hold it
down.
thanks for patience
> It shouldn't be too hard to pull a plug... if you're under
> the hood, just pop one out. It's not like my '00XJ,
> where an entire assembly must come off before you
> can even see a plug. It does sound like flooding...
> __
> Steve
> .
> <averyislandboy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:a188e6f3.0310061650.1af17786@posting.google.c om...
> > I would normally follow the sequence as you described. I'm familiar
> > with the working of the pumper jets and the choke. I don't pump the
> > gas now, because that only contributes to the flooding problem. I've
> > tried holding the throttle open and not even touching the pedal and
> > the not-touching thing works better most days.
>
> Aren't the throttle and the pedal the same thing? Or are we
> misunderstanding each other?
>
My sentence structure sucked, sorry. I meant to say that I've tried
to approach the evening startup ritual two different ways. The first
is to do the typical, hold the pedal down (throttle open) and crank
the crap out of it. The other technique is to not even touch the
pedal (throttle closed) and crank the crap out of it. I'm currently
scoring more successes by not touching the pedal than if I hold it
down.
thanks for patience
> It shouldn't be too hard to pull a plug... if you're under
> the hood, just pop one out. It's not like my '00XJ,
> where an entire assembly must come off before you
> can even see a plug. It does sound like flooding...
> __
> Steve
> .
