Re: 87 YJ
 

Yes, on the western side of the Chesapeake, about two and a half hours
from the closest part of WV (where my girlfriend's family just moved to
from Northern Virginia - Harper's Ferry, very nice - I see tons of nice
Jeeps out that way), maybe two hours from Richmond.

It seems to be that most of the Jeeps around here are newer TJs driven
by the Navy guys, not too many of the trail rig variety. The only
things around here big enough to take on a trail are Ford pickups with
big V8s and "Git R Dun" stickers.

Another note on WV - I was out there visiting the girlfriend's parents
around thanksgiving and it rained cats and dogs. The girlfriend's
brother and I went out to Wally World for some stuff (the only things
around are the Wally World and the racetrack) and all I saw on the road
were jeeps and trucks on big mud tires heading for trails. Needless to
say, I was pleased with the GF's parent's choice of location. Now I
just have to find those trails.

Carl wrote:
> Errr south west...
>
> Carl
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> news:sMWdnbOW6ZkHnhfYnZ2dnUVZ_ue3nZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > South East near W Virginia? I only ask because I used to live in Richmond.
> > It IS slim pickings out there, so if it's in reasonable shape and decently
> > priced, JUMP ON IT!
> >
> > Carl
> >
> >

Re: 87 YJ
 

Yes, on the western side of the Chesapeake, about two and a half hours
from the closest part of WV (where my girlfriend's family just moved to
from Northern Virginia - Harper's Ferry, very nice - I see tons of nice
Jeeps out that way), maybe two hours from Richmond.

It seems to be that most of the Jeeps around here are newer TJs driven
by the Navy guys, not too many of the trail rig variety. The only
things around here big enough to take on a trail are Ford pickups with
big V8s and "Git R Dun" stickers.

Another note on WV - I was out there visiting the girlfriend's parents
around thanksgiving and it rained cats and dogs. The girlfriend's
brother and I went out to Wally World for some stuff (the only things
around are the Wally World and the racetrack) and all I saw on the road
were jeeps and trucks on big mud tires heading for trails. Needless to
say, I was pleased with the GF's parent's choice of location. Now I
just have to find those trails.

Carl wrote:
> Errr south west...
>
> Carl
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> news:sMWdnbOW6ZkHnhfYnZ2dnUVZ_ue3nZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > South East near W Virginia? I only ask because I used to live in Richmond.
> > It IS slim pickings out there, so if it's in reasonable shape and decently
> > priced, JUMP ON IT!
> >
> > Carl
> >
> >

Re: 87 YJ
 

I usually just approach a friendly-looking one at a gas station (generally
when thier rig is covered in mud). They are usually more than happy to give
directions and draw maps.

Carl


"The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1166680400.697091.137870@48g2000cwx.googlegro ups.com...
> Yes, on the western side of the Chesapeake, about two and a half hours
> from the closest part of WV (where my girlfriend's family just moved to
> from Northern Virginia - Harper's Ferry, very nice - I see tons of nice
> Jeeps out that way), maybe two hours from Richmond.
>
> It seems to be that most of the Jeeps around here are newer TJs driven
> by the Navy guys, not too many of the trail rig variety. The only
> things around here big enough to take on a trail are Ford pickups with
> big V8s and "Git R Dun" stickers.
>
> Another note on WV - I was out there visiting the girlfriend's parents
> around thanksgiving and it rained cats and dogs. The girlfriend's
> brother and I went out to Wally World for some stuff (the only things
> around are the Wally World and the racetrack) and all I saw on the road
> were jeeps and trucks on big mud tires heading for trails. Needless to
> say, I was pleased with the GF's parent's choice of location. Now I
> just have to find those trails.
>
> Carl wrote:
>> Errr south west...
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
>> news:sMWdnbOW6ZkHnhfYnZ2dnUVZ_ue3nZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> > South East near W Virginia? I only ask because I used to live in
>> > Richmond.
>> > It IS slim pickings out there, so if it's in reasonable shape and
>> > decently
>> > priced, JUMP ON IT!
>> >
>> > Carl
>> >
>> >
>

Re: 87 YJ
 

I usually just approach a friendly-looking one at a gas station (generally
when thier rig is covered in mud). They are usually more than happy to give
directions and draw maps.

Carl


"The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1166680400.697091.137870@48g2000cwx.googlegro ups.com...
> Yes, on the western side of the Chesapeake, about two and a half hours
> from the closest part of WV (where my girlfriend's family just moved to
> from Northern Virginia - Harper's Ferry, very nice - I see tons of nice
> Jeeps out that way), maybe two hours from Richmond.
>
> It seems to be that most of the Jeeps around here are newer TJs driven
> by the Navy guys, not too many of the trail rig variety. The only
> things around here big enough to take on a trail are Ford pickups with
> big V8s and "Git R Dun" stickers.
>
> Another note on WV - I was out there visiting the girlfriend's parents
> around thanksgiving and it rained cats and dogs. The girlfriend's
> brother and I went out to Wally World for some stuff (the only things
> around are the Wally World and the racetrack) and all I saw on the road
> were jeeps and trucks on big mud tires heading for trails. Needless to
> say, I was pleased with the GF's parent's choice of location. Now I
> just have to find those trails.
>
> Carl wrote:
>> Errr south west...
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
>> news:sMWdnbOW6ZkHnhfYnZ2dnUVZ_ue3nZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> > South East near W Virginia? I only ask because I used to live in
>> > Richmond.
>> > It IS slim pickings out there, so if it's in reasonable shape and
>> > decently
>> > priced, JUMP ON IT!
>> >
>> > Carl
>> >
>> >
>

Re: 87 YJ
 

I usually just approach a friendly-looking one at a gas station (generally
when thier rig is covered in mud). They are usually more than happy to give
directions and draw maps.

Carl


"The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1166680400.697091.137870@48g2000cwx.googlegro ups.com...
> Yes, on the western side of the Chesapeake, about two and a half hours
> from the closest part of WV (where my girlfriend's family just moved to
> from Northern Virginia - Harper's Ferry, very nice - I see tons of nice
> Jeeps out that way), maybe two hours from Richmond.
>
> It seems to be that most of the Jeeps around here are newer TJs driven
> by the Navy guys, not too many of the trail rig variety. The only
> things around here big enough to take on a trail are Ford pickups with
> big V8s and "Git R Dun" stickers.
>
> Another note on WV - I was out there visiting the girlfriend's parents
> around thanksgiving and it rained cats and dogs. The girlfriend's
> brother and I went out to Wally World for some stuff (the only things
> around are the Wally World and the racetrack) and all I saw on the road
> were jeeps and trucks on big mud tires heading for trails. Needless to
> say, I was pleased with the GF's parent's choice of location. Now I
> just have to find those trails.
>
> Carl wrote:
>> Errr south west...
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
>> news:sMWdnbOW6ZkHnhfYnZ2dnUVZ_ue3nZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> > South East near W Virginia? I only ask because I used to live in
>> > Richmond.
>> > It IS slim pickings out there, so if it's in reasonable shape and
>> > decently
>> > priced, JUMP ON IT!
>> >
>> > Carl
>> >
>> >
>

Re: 87 YJ
 

The Merg wrote:
> I've been doing some extensive classified searches and it seems like
> I'd be kind of dumb to pass this up - I can't find anything else within
> 200 miles that's below 3k.
> Are there better Jeep-specific classifieds where I'd have a decent
> chance of finding part-cars? I've been over to 4x4wire, not much
> there.
> I think a junkyard trip is in order for tomorrow morning.

It may seem like you'd be dumb to pass it up but ask yourself how much
more money would you have to spend for a project that's ALREADY how you
want it, or closer to how you want it. Then compare that to the total
projected cost after you've swapped half the drive train out of your "be
dumb to pass it up" bargain. Do some math, unless you're dead set and
your mind is made up. In that case knock yourself out and do a write up
of the conversion for us.

Now if it costs you $1500 for the YJ, and then $2000 for parts* (It will
by the time all is said and done) plus you and your fathers time,
probably 30 man hours if everything goes perfectly AND the donor (thanks
Earle) rolls into your driveway all by itself without you having to go
find it and trailer it home.

Tack on 20 or 30 more man hours if you don't have a donor and that WILL
mean you'll make more than one trip to the Junk Yard. I'm serious I love
doing major mods to my Jeeps, but one thing no one really thinks about
is all that TIME you sink into "cheap" projects.

$3500 (2k for parts) for a "bargain" that you have to THEN spend 60 man
hours cussing at, chopping up and modifying... Versus $3500 for a stock
1991-95 YJ with OEM 5 speed, and a fuel injected 4.0 that is renown for
going 250,000 miles without mechanical failure. Versus a 4.2 that's
carbed (well know source of hair pulling frustration) Very weak in power
(FACT: there were a couple years where the fuel injected 2.5 (4.0 based
4 cyl.) was rated MORE POWERFULL THAN THE 4.2 While BOTH were on dealer
lots!) and not very likely to get past 150,000 miles without a rebuild.

* junk yard parts: (Add in the AX15/NV3550 advanced adapters bellhousing
adapter unless you're sticking a shitty Peugeot BA10 in their!)
Transmission, Transfer Case, drive shafts, shifter, and shifter boot,
trans tunnel manual inspection cover (less fabbing), Manual trans belly
pan (Maybe able to reuse yours, I don't know) , engine ECU out of a
manual (Auto and Stick ECU's are usually different). If you rebuild the
TC or the tranny add in a couple hundred for rebuilt kits and lots of
gaskets.

--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Re: 87 YJ
 

The Merg wrote:
> I've been doing some extensive classified searches and it seems like
> I'd be kind of dumb to pass this up - I can't find anything else within
> 200 miles that's below 3k.
> Are there better Jeep-specific classifieds where I'd have a decent
> chance of finding part-cars? I've been over to 4x4wire, not much
> there.
> I think a junkyard trip is in order for tomorrow morning.

It may seem like you'd be dumb to pass it up but ask yourself how much
more money would you have to spend for a project that's ALREADY how you
want it, or closer to how you want it. Then compare that to the total
projected cost after you've swapped half the drive train out of your "be
dumb to pass it up" bargain. Do some math, unless you're dead set and
your mind is made up. In that case knock yourself out and do a write up
of the conversion for us.

Now if it costs you $1500 for the YJ, and then $2000 for parts* (It will
by the time all is said and done) plus you and your fathers time,
probably 30 man hours if everything goes perfectly AND the donor (thanks
Earle) rolls into your driveway all by itself without you having to go
find it and trailer it home.

Tack on 20 or 30 more man hours if you don't have a donor and that WILL
mean you'll make more than one trip to the Junk Yard. I'm serious I love
doing major mods to my Jeeps, but one thing no one really thinks about
is all that TIME you sink into "cheap" projects.

$3500 (2k for parts) for a "bargain" that you have to THEN spend 60 man
hours cussing at, chopping up and modifying... Versus $3500 for a stock
1991-95 YJ with OEM 5 speed, and a fuel injected 4.0 that is renown for
going 250,000 miles without mechanical failure. Versus a 4.2 that's
carbed (well know source of hair pulling frustration) Very weak in power
(FACT: there were a couple years where the fuel injected 2.5 (4.0 based
4 cyl.) was rated MORE POWERFULL THAN THE 4.2 While BOTH were on dealer
lots!) and not very likely to get past 150,000 miles without a rebuild.

* junk yard parts: (Add in the AX15/NV3550 advanced adapters bellhousing
adapter unless you're sticking a shitty Peugeot BA10 in their!)
Transmission, Transfer Case, drive shafts, shifter, and shifter boot,
trans tunnel manual inspection cover (less fabbing), Manual trans belly
pan (Maybe able to reuse yours, I don't know) , engine ECU out of a
manual (Auto and Stick ECU's are usually different). If you rebuild the
TC or the tranny add in a couple hundred for rebuilt kits and lots of
gaskets.

--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Re: 87 YJ
 

The Merg wrote:
> I've been doing some extensive classified searches and it seems like
> I'd be kind of dumb to pass this up - I can't find anything else within
> 200 miles that's below 3k.
> Are there better Jeep-specific classifieds where I'd have a decent
> chance of finding part-cars? I've been over to 4x4wire, not much
> there.
> I think a junkyard trip is in order for tomorrow morning.

It may seem like you'd be dumb to pass it up but ask yourself how much
more money would you have to spend for a project that's ALREADY how you
want it, or closer to how you want it. Then compare that to the total
projected cost after you've swapped half the drive train out of your "be
dumb to pass it up" bargain. Do some math, unless you're dead set and
your mind is made up. In that case knock yourself out and do a write up
of the conversion for us.

Now if it costs you $1500 for the YJ, and then $2000 for parts* (It will
by the time all is said and done) plus you and your fathers time,
probably 30 man hours if everything goes perfectly AND the donor (thanks
Earle) rolls into your driveway all by itself without you having to go
find it and trailer it home.

Tack on 20 or 30 more man hours if you don't have a donor and that WILL
mean you'll make more than one trip to the Junk Yard. I'm serious I love
doing major mods to my Jeeps, but one thing no one really thinks about
is all that TIME you sink into "cheap" projects.

$3500 (2k for parts) for a "bargain" that you have to THEN spend 60 man
hours cussing at, chopping up and modifying... Versus $3500 for a stock
1991-95 YJ with OEM 5 speed, and a fuel injected 4.0 that is renown for
going 250,000 miles without mechanical failure. Versus a 4.2 that's
carbed (well know source of hair pulling frustration) Very weak in power
(FACT: there were a couple years where the fuel injected 2.5 (4.0 based
4 cyl.) was rated MORE POWERFULL THAN THE 4.2 While BOTH were on dealer
lots!) and not very likely to get past 150,000 miles without a rebuild.

* junk yard parts: (Add in the AX15/NV3550 advanced adapters bellhousing
adapter unless you're sticking a shitty Peugeot BA10 in their!)
Transmission, Transfer Case, drive shafts, shifter, and shifter boot,
trans tunnel manual inspection cover (less fabbing), Manual trans belly
pan (Maybe able to reuse yours, I don't know) , engine ECU out of a
manual (Auto and Stick ECU's are usually different). If you rebuild the
TC or the tranny add in a couple hundred for rebuilt kits and lots of
gaskets.

--
Simon
"I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein

Re: 87 YJ
 

"Simon Juncal" <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote in
message news:ypWdnXmUy_x7ORfYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@rcn.net...
....
> It may seem like you'd be dumb to pass it up but ask yourself how
> much more money would you have to spend for a project that's
> ALREADY how you want it, or closer to how you want it. Then
> compare that to the total projected cost after you've swapped half
> the drive train out of your "be dumb to pass it up" bargain. Do some
> math, unless you're dead set and your mind is made up. In that case
> knock yourself out and do a write up of the conversion for us.

Another thing to factor in is that automotive projects usually go for ten
cents on the dollar, after someone dies, loses interest or decides to make a
family instead. The trick is finding one, and getting there before the
other hopefuls.

If you're going to build one, you won't get to drive it as much as you
wanted, and it will go for that same ten cents on the dollar after you
decide to do something else with your life.

Earle

Re: 87 YJ
 

"Simon Juncal" <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote in
message news:ypWdnXmUy_x7ORfYnZ2dnUVZ_riknZ2d@rcn.net...
....
> It may seem like you'd be dumb to pass it up but ask yourself how
> much more money would you have to spend for a project that's
> ALREADY how you want it, or closer to how you want it. Then
> compare that to the total projected cost after you've swapped half
> the drive train out of your "be dumb to pass it up" bargain. Do some
> math, unless you're dead set and your mind is made up. In that case
> knock yourself out and do a write up of the conversion for us.

Another thing to factor in is that automotive projects usually go for ten
cents on the dollar, after someone dies, loses interest or decides to make a
family instead. The trick is finding one, and getting there before the
other hopefuls.

If you're going to build one, you won't get to drive it as much as you
wanted, and it will go for that same ten cents on the dollar after you
decide to do something else with your life.

Earle