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Re: 87 YJ
On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 01:09:20 -0800, The Merg wrote:
> Carl wrote: >> More trouble than it's worth. The Aw4 is a stout transmission and will hold >> up just as well as the AX15 so long as you put a nice big cooler on it. >> Biscuts to donuts says you have the NP231 transfer case, unless it has been >> swapped. Considering the NP207 was mostly used in the 84-86 XJ's behind ( I >> think) the AW4 and Chev 2.8, I find this highly unlikely. >> >> Everything that says it is for an 88 will fit an 87. >> >> HTH >> >> Carl > > I know that the NP207 was used for a very short time on the '87 > Wranglers before they switched to the NP231. > The situation is: I'd much rather have a manual tranny, and this would > be a project jeep, so I don't mind doing unnecessary work on it. In > fact, I'd enjoy it. This is an '87 that has a few things I want: 6 > cylinder, hardtop, clean chassis/body (little to no rust) but is > carbureted (obviously, being an '87) and has an automatic tranny. > I guess it comes down to a general opinion: would it make sense for me > to buy this vehicle for about a grand and swap the auto for a manual or > just wait for a manual to come into my price range (not very high)? > A key point - this is a project for my father and me. It will be torn > apart and rebuilt almost completely anyway. Some considerations: on most of the swaps I've looked at where the tc was an NP 231, the input shaft for the tc had to be changed to make the swap as the spline count on the AX15 is different. You will need the bell housing, flywheel, clutch hydraulics, pedals (brake and clutch), and pedal hangers. I don't about know YJ, but on the 88 XJ or MJ you also have to change the cross member and rear mount. 87/88 use the same body parts, so you are looking at about the same deal. You really want to do this <g>? -- Will Honea <whonea@yahoo.com> |
Re: 87 YJ
The Merg wrote:
> I guess the question i should really ask is: has anyone done a similar > transfer, Auto to manual, and was it more trouble than it's worth? I > haven't bought the Jeep yet so I'm wondering if I should just say > forget it and keep looking for a five speed. > > I looked at the advanced adapters site, thanks for that link > Everything's been done, going manual from an Auto will be a lot easier than vice versa but there's still a serious pile of parts you'll need and thousands of dollars to spend unless (and possibly even with) all junk yard parts. I would say this though, unless you're seriously in love with the old carb'ed 258 you should look for a 91-95 YJ with the far superior injected 4.0 and a manual tranny already in it for $2500 to 4k It will save you a BUNCH of work, get you a better motor, AND save you the trouble of a swap... Unless you get your manual transmission/donner YJ AND this 87 YJ for less than 2 grand... You'll spend the extra money plus some running to the junk yard, paying for major parts and fiddly bits that you never think about until you need them. If you're REALLY into completely doing it yourself and the price is right (around a grand is very good if the 87 is running and has little rust) then get the 87 YJ AND a 4.0 equipped donner Jeep (could even be a Cherokee) and turn the two engines into a 4.6 liter stroker... Crank and Rods from the 258, block, head, fuel injection, (etc.) from the 4.0. 258's longer stroke with the 4.0's bigger pistons + 0.30 overbore = 4.6 liters... which on a budget build (stock compression ratio, cam, injectors etc.) will get you over 240 HP and around 300 ft. pounds of torque at the wheels with a power band that will put a smile on your face. I probably sound like the news groups biggest 4.0 stroker advocate, but I seem to be the only one on here who has one, and knows how much fun they are. -- Simon "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
Re: 87 YJ
The Merg wrote:
> I guess the question i should really ask is: has anyone done a similar > transfer, Auto to manual, and was it more trouble than it's worth? I > haven't bought the Jeep yet so I'm wondering if I should just say > forget it and keep looking for a five speed. > > I looked at the advanced adapters site, thanks for that link > Everything's been done, going manual from an Auto will be a lot easier than vice versa but there's still a serious pile of parts you'll need and thousands of dollars to spend unless (and possibly even with) all junk yard parts. I would say this though, unless you're seriously in love with the old carb'ed 258 you should look for a 91-95 YJ with the far superior injected 4.0 and a manual tranny already in it for $2500 to 4k It will save you a BUNCH of work, get you a better motor, AND save you the trouble of a swap... Unless you get your manual transmission/donner YJ AND this 87 YJ for less than 2 grand... You'll spend the extra money plus some running to the junk yard, paying for major parts and fiddly bits that you never think about until you need them. If you're REALLY into completely doing it yourself and the price is right (around a grand is very good if the 87 is running and has little rust) then get the 87 YJ AND a 4.0 equipped donner Jeep (could even be a Cherokee) and turn the two engines into a 4.6 liter stroker... Crank and Rods from the 258, block, head, fuel injection, (etc.) from the 4.0. 258's longer stroke with the 4.0's bigger pistons + 0.30 overbore = 4.6 liters... which on a budget build (stock compression ratio, cam, injectors etc.) will get you over 240 HP and around 300 ft. pounds of torque at the wheels with a power band that will put a smile on your face. I probably sound like the news groups biggest 4.0 stroker advocate, but I seem to be the only one on here who has one, and knows how much fun they are. -- Simon "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
Re: 87 YJ
The Merg wrote:
> I guess the question i should really ask is: has anyone done a similar > transfer, Auto to manual, and was it more trouble than it's worth? I > haven't bought the Jeep yet so I'm wondering if I should just say > forget it and keep looking for a five speed. > > I looked at the advanced adapters site, thanks for that link > Everything's been done, going manual from an Auto will be a lot easier than vice versa but there's still a serious pile of parts you'll need and thousands of dollars to spend unless (and possibly even with) all junk yard parts. I would say this though, unless you're seriously in love with the old carb'ed 258 you should look for a 91-95 YJ with the far superior injected 4.0 and a manual tranny already in it for $2500 to 4k It will save you a BUNCH of work, get you a better motor, AND save you the trouble of a swap... Unless you get your manual transmission/donner YJ AND this 87 YJ for less than 2 grand... You'll spend the extra money plus some running to the junk yard, paying for major parts and fiddly bits that you never think about until you need them. If you're REALLY into completely doing it yourself and the price is right (around a grand is very good if the 87 is running and has little rust) then get the 87 YJ AND a 4.0 equipped donner Jeep (could even be a Cherokee) and turn the two engines into a 4.6 liter stroker... Crank and Rods from the 258, block, head, fuel injection, (etc.) from the 4.0. 258's longer stroke with the 4.0's bigger pistons + 0.30 overbore = 4.6 liters... which on a budget build (stock compression ratio, cam, injectors etc.) will get you over 240 HP and around 300 ft. pounds of torque at the wheels with a power band that will put a smile on your face. I probably sound like the news groups biggest 4.0 stroker advocate, but I seem to be the only one on here who has one, and knows how much fun they are. -- Simon "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
Re: 87 YJ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donner_party
Or perhaps you meant "donor". Earle "Simon Juncal" <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote in message news:LqednTczepyEJRXYnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@rcn.net... > The Merg wrote: > > I guess the question i should really ask is: has anyone done a similar > > transfer, Auto to manual, and was it more trouble than it's worth? I > > haven't bought the Jeep yet so I'm wondering if I should just say > > forget it and keep looking for a five speed. > > > > I looked at the advanced adapters site, thanks for that link > > > > Everything's been done, going manual from an Auto will be a lot easier > than vice versa but there's still a serious pile of parts you'll need > and thousands of dollars to spend unless (and possibly even with) all > junk yard parts. > > I would say this though, unless you're seriously in love with the old > carb'ed 258 you should look for a 91-95 YJ with the far superior > injected 4.0 and a manual tranny already in it for $2500 to 4k > > It will save you a BUNCH of work, get you a better motor, AND save you > the trouble of a swap... Unless you get your manual transmission/donner > YJ AND this 87 YJ for less than 2 grand... You'll spend the extra money > plus some running to the junk yard, paying for major parts and fiddly > bits that you never think about until you need them. > > If you're REALLY into completely doing it yourself and the price is > right (around a grand is very good if the 87 is running and has little > rust) then get the 87 YJ AND a 4.0 equipped donner Jeep (could even be a > Cherokee) and turn the two engines into a 4.6 liter stroker... Crank and > Rods from the 258, block, head, fuel injection, (etc.) from the 4.0. > 258's longer stroke with the 4.0's bigger pistons + 0.30 overbore = 4.6 > liters... which on a budget build (stock compression ratio, cam, > injectors etc.) will get you over 240 HP and around 300 ft. pounds of > torque at the wheels with a power band that will put a smile on your face. > > I probably sound like the news groups biggest 4.0 stroker advocate, but > I seem to be the only one on here who has one, and knows how much fun > they are. > > -- > Simon > "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
Re: 87 YJ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donner_party
Or perhaps you meant "donor". Earle "Simon Juncal" <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote in message news:LqednTczepyEJRXYnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@rcn.net... > The Merg wrote: > > I guess the question i should really ask is: has anyone done a similar > > transfer, Auto to manual, and was it more trouble than it's worth? I > > haven't bought the Jeep yet so I'm wondering if I should just say > > forget it and keep looking for a five speed. > > > > I looked at the advanced adapters site, thanks for that link > > > > Everything's been done, going manual from an Auto will be a lot easier > than vice versa but there's still a serious pile of parts you'll need > and thousands of dollars to spend unless (and possibly even with) all > junk yard parts. > > I would say this though, unless you're seriously in love with the old > carb'ed 258 you should look for a 91-95 YJ with the far superior > injected 4.0 and a manual tranny already in it for $2500 to 4k > > It will save you a BUNCH of work, get you a better motor, AND save you > the trouble of a swap... Unless you get your manual transmission/donner > YJ AND this 87 YJ for less than 2 grand... You'll spend the extra money > plus some running to the junk yard, paying for major parts and fiddly > bits that you never think about until you need them. > > If you're REALLY into completely doing it yourself and the price is > right (around a grand is very good if the 87 is running and has little > rust) then get the 87 YJ AND a 4.0 equipped donner Jeep (could even be a > Cherokee) and turn the two engines into a 4.6 liter stroker... Crank and > Rods from the 258, block, head, fuel injection, (etc.) from the 4.0. > 258's longer stroke with the 4.0's bigger pistons + 0.30 overbore = 4.6 > liters... which on a budget build (stock compression ratio, cam, > injectors etc.) will get you over 240 HP and around 300 ft. pounds of > torque at the wheels with a power band that will put a smile on your face. > > I probably sound like the news groups biggest 4.0 stroker advocate, but > I seem to be the only one on here who has one, and knows how much fun > they are. > > -- > Simon > "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
Re: 87 YJ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donner_party
Or perhaps you meant "donor". Earle "Simon Juncal" <SPAMERSSUCK@usefirstinitialandlastnameATerols.com > wrote in message news:LqednTczepyEJRXYnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@rcn.net... > The Merg wrote: > > I guess the question i should really ask is: has anyone done a similar > > transfer, Auto to manual, and was it more trouble than it's worth? I > > haven't bought the Jeep yet so I'm wondering if I should just say > > forget it and keep looking for a five speed. > > > > I looked at the advanced adapters site, thanks for that link > > > > Everything's been done, going manual from an Auto will be a lot easier > than vice versa but there's still a serious pile of parts you'll need > and thousands of dollars to spend unless (and possibly even with) all > junk yard parts. > > I would say this though, unless you're seriously in love with the old > carb'ed 258 you should look for a 91-95 YJ with the far superior > injected 4.0 and a manual tranny already in it for $2500 to 4k > > It will save you a BUNCH of work, get you a better motor, AND save you > the trouble of a swap... Unless you get your manual transmission/donner > YJ AND this 87 YJ for less than 2 grand... You'll spend the extra money > plus some running to the junk yard, paying for major parts and fiddly > bits that you never think about until you need them. > > If you're REALLY into completely doing it yourself and the price is > right (around a grand is very good if the 87 is running and has little > rust) then get the 87 YJ AND a 4.0 equipped donner Jeep (could even be a > Cherokee) and turn the two engines into a 4.6 liter stroker... Crank and > Rods from the 258, block, head, fuel injection, (etc.) from the 4.0. > 258's longer stroke with the 4.0's bigger pistons + 0.30 overbore = 4.6 > liters... which on a budget build (stock compression ratio, cam, > injectors etc.) will get you over 240 HP and around 300 ft. pounds of > torque at the wheels with a power band that will put a smile on your face. > > I probably sound like the news groups biggest 4.0 stroker advocate, but > I seem to be the only one on here who has one, and knows how much fun > they are. > > -- > Simon > "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
Re: 87 YJ
Carl wrote:
> More trouble than it's worth. The Aw4 is a stout transmission and will hold The AW4 is indeed about a bullet proof auto transmission but I believe (pretty sure) it was never used in a Wrangler of any variety... could be wrong but I believe it's Cherokee and 4.0 ZJ/WJ only part. I know it has been swapped INTO YJ's and TJ's on occasion. No doubt they were after some of that XJ bulletproof-ness ;) It is long (27" inches I seem to recall, 5 more than most YJ/TJ manuals like the NV3500 at 22" IIRC) and so has drive shaft/Pinion angle issues among other things like TC mounting location issues, custom drive shaft length issues etc. Anyway I didn't just google all this up (unlike someone around here). I have 2 spare AW4's one of which is in the process of being swapped into my YJ for the french POS10 (that's: Piece O Shit10). I'm doin' it because there's just no chance in hell that Peugeot garbage is going to live behind the stroker the YJ's getting. And I know the AW4 will. -- Simon "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
Re: 87 YJ
Carl wrote:
> More trouble than it's worth. The Aw4 is a stout transmission and will hold The AW4 is indeed about a bullet proof auto transmission but I believe (pretty sure) it was never used in a Wrangler of any variety... could be wrong but I believe it's Cherokee and 4.0 ZJ/WJ only part. I know it has been swapped INTO YJ's and TJ's on occasion. No doubt they were after some of that XJ bulletproof-ness ;) It is long (27" inches I seem to recall, 5 more than most YJ/TJ manuals like the NV3500 at 22" IIRC) and so has drive shaft/Pinion angle issues among other things like TC mounting location issues, custom drive shaft length issues etc. Anyway I didn't just google all this up (unlike someone around here). I have 2 spare AW4's one of which is in the process of being swapped into my YJ for the french POS10 (that's: Piece O Shit10). I'm doin' it because there's just no chance in hell that Peugeot garbage is going to live behind the stroker the YJ's getting. And I know the AW4 will. -- Simon "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
Re: 87 YJ
Carl wrote:
> More trouble than it's worth. The Aw4 is a stout transmission and will hold The AW4 is indeed about a bullet proof auto transmission but I believe (pretty sure) it was never used in a Wrangler of any variety... could be wrong but I believe it's Cherokee and 4.0 ZJ/WJ only part. I know it has been swapped INTO YJ's and TJ's on occasion. No doubt they were after some of that XJ bulletproof-ness ;) It is long (27" inches I seem to recall, 5 more than most YJ/TJ manuals like the NV3500 at 22" IIRC) and so has drive shaft/Pinion angle issues among other things like TC mounting location issues, custom drive shaft length issues etc. Anyway I didn't just google all this up (unlike someone around here). I have 2 spare AW4's one of which is in the process of being swapped into my YJ for the french POS10 (that's: Piece O Shit10). I'm doin' it because there's just no chance in hell that Peugeot garbage is going to live behind the stroker the YJ's getting. And I know the AW4 will. -- Simon "I may be wrong, but I'm not uncertain." -- Robert A. Heinlein |
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