Carl

I suppose if you were tearing everything else apart it would be worthwhile.
You could get a wrecked YJ or a wrecked XJ for parts. Later than 90 on both
counts, because that's when the AX15 started. If you do have the NP207, just
use the 231 that will come with your donor vehicle.

So long as its in decent shape and the price is right, it sounds like a good
find!

HTH

Carl


"The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Carl wrote:
>> More trouble than it's worth. The Aw4 is a stout transmission and will
>> hold
>> up just as well as the AX15 so long as you put a nice big cooler on it.
>> Biscuts to donuts says you have the NP231 transfer case, unless it has
>> been
>> swapped. Considering the NP207 was mostly used in the 84-86 XJ's behind
>> ( I
>> think) the AW4 and Chev 2.8, I find this highly unlikely.
>>
>> Everything that says it is for an 88 will fit an 87.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Carl
>
> I know that the NP207 was used for a very short time on the '87
> Wranglers before they switched to the NP231.
> The situation is: I'd much rather have a manual tranny, and this would
> be a project jeep, so I don't mind doing unnecessary work on it. In
> fact, I'd enjoy it. This is an '87 that has a few things I want: 6
> cylinder, hardtop, clean chassis/body (little to no rust) but is
> carbureted (obviously, being an '87) and has an automatic tranny.
> I guess it comes down to a general opinion: would it make sense for me
> to buy this vehicle for about a grand and swap the auto for a manual or
> just wait for a manual to come into my price range (not very high)?
> A key point - this is a project for my father and me. It will be torn
> apart and rebuilt almost completely anyway.
>

Carl

I suppose if you were tearing everything else apart it would be worthwhile.
You could get a wrecked YJ or a wrecked XJ for parts. Later than 90 on both
counts, because that's when the AX15 started. If you do have the NP207, just
use the 231 that will come with your donor vehicle.

So long as its in decent shape and the price is right, it sounds like a good
find!

HTH

Carl


"The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1166519360.561048.91730@a3g2000cwd.googlegrou ps.com...
>
> Carl wrote:
>> More trouble than it's worth. The Aw4 is a stout transmission and will
>> hold
>> up just as well as the AX15 so long as you put a nice big cooler on it.
>> Biscuts to donuts says you have the NP231 transfer case, unless it has
>> been
>> swapped. Considering the NP207 was mostly used in the 84-86 XJ's behind
>> ( I
>> think) the AW4 and Chev 2.8, I find this highly unlikely.
>>
>> Everything that says it is for an 88 will fit an 87.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Carl
>
> I know that the NP207 was used for a very short time on the '87
> Wranglers before they switched to the NP231.
> The situation is: I'd much rather have a manual tranny, and this would
> be a project jeep, so I don't mind doing unnecessary work on it. In
> fact, I'd enjoy it. This is an '87 that has a few things I want: 6
> cylinder, hardtop, clean chassis/body (little to no rust) but is
> carbureted (obviously, being an '87) and has an automatic tranny.
> I guess it comes down to a general opinion: would it make sense for me
> to buy this vehicle for about a grand and swap the auto for a manual or
> just wait for a manual to come into my price range (not very high)?
> A key point - this is a project for my father and me. It will be torn
> apart and rebuilt almost completely anyway.
>

Earle Horton

I agree with Carl here. If you are going to take the whole vehicle apart
anyway, then what you are looking for on the '87 is the maximum number of
reusable parts, not necessarily the precise mechanical configuration that
you hope to end with. If it has a good frame and body, then it is a good
place to start. Rust is a big issue. A lot depends on where you live, rust
belt versus desert. If it has a decent axle ratio, that is a big factor
too. There should be a tag under one of the pumpkin cover bolts on each
end.

Earle

"Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
news:M-SdneJuosUbnxXYnZ2dnUVZ_qGjnZ2d@comcast.com...
> I suppose if you were tearing everything else apart it would be
worthwhile.
> You could get a wrecked YJ or a wrecked XJ for parts. Later than 90 on
both
> counts, because that's when the AX15 started. If you do have the NP207,
just
> use the 231 that will come with your donor vehicle.
>
> So long as its in decent shape and the price is right, it sounds like a
good
> find!
>
> HTH
>
> Carl
>
>
> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1166519360.561048.91730@a3g2000cwd.googlegrou ps.com...
> >
> > Carl wrote:
> >> More trouble than it's worth. The Aw4 is a stout transmission and will
> >> hold
> >> up just as well as the AX15 so long as you put a nice big cooler on it.
> >> Biscuts to donuts says you have the NP231 transfer case, unless it has
> >> been
> >> swapped. Considering the NP207 was mostly used in the 84-86 XJ's behind
> >> ( I
> >> think) the AW4 and Chev 2.8, I find this highly unlikely.
> >>
> >> Everything that says it is for an 88 will fit an 87.
> >>
> >> HTH
> >>
> >> Carl
> >
> > I know that the NP207 was used for a very short time on the '87
> > Wranglers before they switched to the NP231.
> > The situation is: I'd much rather have a manual tranny, and this would
> > be a project jeep, so I don't mind doing unnecessary work on it. In
> > fact, I'd enjoy it. This is an '87 that has a few things I want: 6
> > cylinder, hardtop, clean chassis/body (little to no rust) but is
> > carbureted (obviously, being an '87) and has an automatic tranny.
> > I guess it comes down to a general opinion: would it make sense for me
> > to buy this vehicle for about a grand and swap the auto for a manual or
> > just wait for a manual to come into my price range (not very high)?
> > A key point - this is a project for my father and me. It will be torn
> > apart and rebuilt almost completely anyway.
> >
>
>

Earle Horton

I agree with Carl here. If you are going to take the whole vehicle apart
anyway, then what you are looking for on the '87 is the maximum number of
reusable parts, not necessarily the precise mechanical configuration that
you hope to end with. If it has a good frame and body, then it is a good
place to start. Rust is a big issue. A lot depends on where you live, rust
belt versus desert. If it has a decent axle ratio, that is a big factor
too. There should be a tag under one of the pumpkin cover bolts on each
end.

Earle

"Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
news:M-SdneJuosUbnxXYnZ2dnUVZ_qGjnZ2d@comcast.com...
> I suppose if you were tearing everything else apart it would be
worthwhile.
> You could get a wrecked YJ or a wrecked XJ for parts. Later than 90 on
both
> counts, because that's when the AX15 started. If you do have the NP207,
just
> use the 231 that will come with your donor vehicle.
>
> So long as its in decent shape and the price is right, it sounds like a
good
> find!
>
> HTH
>
> Carl
>
>
> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1166519360.561048.91730@a3g2000cwd.googlegrou ps.com...
> >
> > Carl wrote:
> >> More trouble than it's worth. The Aw4 is a stout transmission and will
> >> hold
> >> up just as well as the AX15 so long as you put a nice big cooler on it.
> >> Biscuts to donuts says you have the NP231 transfer case, unless it has
> >> been
> >> swapped. Considering the NP207 was mostly used in the 84-86 XJ's behind
> >> ( I
> >> think) the AW4 and Chev 2.8, I find this highly unlikely.
> >>
> >> Everything that says it is for an 88 will fit an 87.
> >>
> >> HTH
> >>
> >> Carl
> >
> > I know that the NP207 was used for a very short time on the '87
> > Wranglers before they switched to the NP231.
> > The situation is: I'd much rather have a manual tranny, and this would
> > be a project jeep, so I don't mind doing unnecessary work on it. In
> > fact, I'd enjoy it. This is an '87 that has a few things I want: 6
> > cylinder, hardtop, clean chassis/body (little to no rust) but is
> > carbureted (obviously, being an '87) and has an automatic tranny.
> > I guess it comes down to a general opinion: would it make sense for me
> > to buy this vehicle for about a grand and swap the auto for a manual or
> > just wait for a manual to come into my price range (not very high)?
> > A key point - this is a project for my father and me. It will be torn
> > apart and rebuilt almost completely anyway.
> >
>
>

Earle Horton

I agree with Carl here. If you are going to take the whole vehicle apart
anyway, then what you are looking for on the '87 is the maximum number of
reusable parts, not necessarily the precise mechanical configuration that
you hope to end with. If it has a good frame and body, then it is a good
place to start. Rust is a big issue. A lot depends on where you live, rust
belt versus desert. If it has a decent axle ratio, that is a big factor
too. There should be a tag under one of the pumpkin cover bolts on each
end.

Earle

"Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
news:M-SdneJuosUbnxXYnZ2dnUVZ_qGjnZ2d@comcast.com...
> I suppose if you were tearing everything else apart it would be
worthwhile.
> You could get a wrecked YJ or a wrecked XJ for parts. Later than 90 on
both
> counts, because that's when the AX15 started. If you do have the NP207,
just
> use the 231 that will come with your donor vehicle.
>
> So long as its in decent shape and the price is right, it sounds like a
good
> find!
>
> HTH
>
> Carl
>
>
> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1166519360.561048.91730@a3g2000cwd.googlegrou ps.com...
> >
> > Carl wrote:
> >> More trouble than it's worth. The Aw4 is a stout transmission and will
> >> hold
> >> up just as well as the AX15 so long as you put a nice big cooler on it.
> >> Biscuts to donuts says you have the NP231 transfer case, unless it has
> >> been
> >> swapped. Considering the NP207 was mostly used in the 84-86 XJ's behind
> >> ( I
> >> think) the AW4 and Chev 2.8, I find this highly unlikely.
> >>
> >> Everything that says it is for an 88 will fit an 87.
> >>
> >> HTH
> >>
> >> Carl
> >
> > I know that the NP207 was used for a very short time on the '87
> > Wranglers before they switched to the NP231.
> > The situation is: I'd much rather have a manual tranny, and this would
> > be a project jeep, so I don't mind doing unnecessary work on it. In
> > fact, I'd enjoy it. This is an '87 that has a few things I want: 6
> > cylinder, hardtop, clean chassis/body (little to no rust) but is
> > carbureted (obviously, being an '87) and has an automatic tranny.
> > I guess it comes down to a general opinion: would it make sense for me
> > to buy this vehicle for about a grand and swap the auto for a manual or
> > just wait for a manual to come into my price range (not very high)?
> > A key point - this is a project for my father and me. It will be torn
> > apart and rebuilt almost completely anyway.
> >
>
>

The Merg

Thanks guys, I appreciate the input.

The Merg

Thanks guys, I appreciate the input.

The Merg

Thanks guys, I appreciate the input.

Will Honea

On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 01:09:20 -0800, The Merg wrote:

> Carl wrote:
>> More trouble than it's worth. The Aw4 is a stout transmission and will hold
>> up just as well as the AX15 so long as you put a nice big cooler on it.
>> Biscuts to donuts says you have the NP231 transfer case, unless it has been
>> swapped. Considering the NP207 was mostly used in the 84-86 XJ's behind ( I
>> think) the AW4 and Chev 2.8, I find this highly unlikely.
>>
>> Everything that says it is for an 88 will fit an 87.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Carl
>
> I know that the NP207 was used for a very short time on the '87
> Wranglers before they switched to the NP231.
> The situation is: I'd much rather have a manual tranny, and this would
> be a project jeep, so I don't mind doing unnecessary work on it. In
> fact, I'd enjoy it. This is an '87 that has a few things I want: 6
> cylinder, hardtop, clean chassis/body (little to no rust) but is
> carbureted (obviously, being an '87) and has an automatic tranny.
> I guess it comes down to a general opinion: would it make sense for me
> to buy this vehicle for about a grand and swap the auto for a manual or
> just wait for a manual to come into my price range (not very high)?
> A key point - this is a project for my father and me. It will be torn
> apart and rebuilt almost completely anyway.

Some considerations: on most of the swaps I've looked at where the tc was
an NP 231, the input shaft for the tc had to be changed to make the swap
as the spline count on the AX15 is different. You will need the
bell housing, flywheel, clutch hydraulics, pedals (brake and clutch), and
pedal hangers. I don't about know YJ, but on the 88 XJ or MJ you
also have to change the cross member and rear mount. 87/88 use the same
body parts, so you are looking at about the same deal.

You really want to do this <g>?

--
Will Honea <whonea@yahoo.com>

Will Honea

On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 01:09:20 -0800, The Merg wrote:

> Carl wrote:
>> More trouble than it's worth. The Aw4 is a stout transmission and will hold
>> up just as well as the AX15 so long as you put a nice big cooler on it.
>> Biscuts to donuts says you have the NP231 transfer case, unless it has been
>> swapped. Considering the NP207 was mostly used in the 84-86 XJ's behind ( I
>> think) the AW4 and Chev 2.8, I find this highly unlikely.
>>
>> Everything that says it is for an 88 will fit an 87.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Carl
>
> I know that the NP207 was used for a very short time on the '87
> Wranglers before they switched to the NP231.
> The situation is: I'd much rather have a manual tranny, and this would
> be a project jeep, so I don't mind doing unnecessary work on it. In
> fact, I'd enjoy it. This is an '87 that has a few things I want: 6
> cylinder, hardtop, clean chassis/body (little to no rust) but is
> carbureted (obviously, being an '87) and has an automatic tranny.
> I guess it comes down to a general opinion: would it make sense for me
> to buy this vehicle for about a grand and swap the auto for a manual or
> just wait for a manual to come into my price range (not very high)?
> A key point - this is a project for my father and me. It will be torn
> apart and rebuilt almost completely anyway.

Some considerations: on most of the swaps I've looked at where the tc was
an NP 231, the input shaft for the tc had to be changed to make the swap
as the spline count on the AX15 is different. You will need the
bell housing, flywheel, clutch hydraulics, pedals (brake and clutch), and
pedal hangers. I don't about know YJ, but on the 88 XJ or MJ you
also have to change the cross member and rear mount. 87/88 use the same
body parts, so you are looking at about the same deal.

You really want to do this <g>?

--
Will Honea <whonea@yahoo.com>