charles stoyer

"L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in message
news:G7JNb.63435$sv6.142197@attbi_s52...
> Roughly 1/15/04 18:59, Charles Stoyer's monkeys randomly typed:
>
> > Right now I have Jeep Cherokees (2 x 1987) and am looking to upgrade. I
can
> > get a 1994 Cherokee for around $4k if I can find one. I am in Denver
area.
> >
> > Complaints about Cherokee are low power (I drive between 6,000 and
11,000
> > feet above sea level), not so great mileage (20 mpg on a good day) and
poor
> > towing capacity (snowmobile trailer w/2 sleds). Cherokees have about
> > 180-190k miles on them.
>
> ...just in time to rebuild and hot rod.

Now that is an option I never thought of. Is there room for a supercharger
or turbo in there?

> >
> > Chains don't fit well on rear wheels - low fender clearance, low spring
> > clearance (leaf springs).
>
> ? Have you checked the Security Chains fitment at their
> website? http://www.scc-chain.com/
>
> According them, you can run their chains on the Cherokee
> and Grand Cherokee if you use these
> tire sizes: [and stay under 30mph]
> P215/75-15 P225/70-15 P245/70-15 P225/70-16 P225/75-15

Jeep XJ no. 2 did not have front axle working at hunting camp. Chains on
rear wheels P215/75-15 kept hitting something.

thanks,

Charles.
>
> >
> > Engine compartment is tight, cargo capacity is OK. Off-road capability
is
> > good.
> >
> > I am looking for 5-speed manual, maybe a more modern engine (24 valves?)
> > than the straight six in the Cherokee. Cherokee supposedly has 177 HP,
newer
> > (HO) engines have 190, I think. At 6,000 feet and above, my 86 SAAB 900
> > Turbo with 160 HP and weighing 2,900 lbs (Jeep weighs around 3,100) will
> > suck the doors off either of the Jeeps at 231k miles.
>
> If you can find a Cherokee in "engine rebuild" state, you can try
> stroking it to 4.7, which will also raise the compression ratio a
> bit, into the low 9's. [See HESCO or Clifford Performance websites
> for details.] This may be enough to help you a bit at high altitude.
>
> Or visit the Hesco website and drop a blower on a stroked engine
> to help with what I call the "I-70 pull test".
>
> Or win the PowerBall and buy a Turbo Cayenne...
>
> ==================================
>
>

charles stoyer

"L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in message
news:G7JNb.63435$sv6.142197@attbi_s52...
> Roughly 1/15/04 18:59, Charles Stoyer's monkeys randomly typed:
>
> > Right now I have Jeep Cherokees (2 x 1987) and am looking to upgrade. I
can
> > get a 1994 Cherokee for around $4k if I can find one. I am in Denver
area.
> >
> > Complaints about Cherokee are low power (I drive between 6,000 and
11,000
> > feet above sea level), not so great mileage (20 mpg on a good day) and
poor
> > towing capacity (snowmobile trailer w/2 sleds). Cherokees have about
> > 180-190k miles on them.
>
> ...just in time to rebuild and hot rod.

Now that is an option I never thought of. Is there room for a supercharger
or turbo in there?

> >
> > Chains don't fit well on rear wheels - low fender clearance, low spring
> > clearance (leaf springs).
>
> ? Have you checked the Security Chains fitment at their
> website? http://www.scc-chain.com/
>
> According them, you can run their chains on the Cherokee
> and Grand Cherokee if you use these
> tire sizes: [and stay under 30mph]
> P215/75-15 P225/70-15 P245/70-15 P225/70-16 P225/75-15

Jeep XJ no. 2 did not have front axle working at hunting camp. Chains on
rear wheels P215/75-15 kept hitting something.

thanks,

Charles.
>
> >
> > Engine compartment is tight, cargo capacity is OK. Off-road capability
is
> > good.
> >
> > I am looking for 5-speed manual, maybe a more modern engine (24 valves?)
> > than the straight six in the Cherokee. Cherokee supposedly has 177 HP,
newer
> > (HO) engines have 190, I think. At 6,000 feet and above, my 86 SAAB 900
> > Turbo with 160 HP and weighing 2,900 lbs (Jeep weighs around 3,100) will
> > suck the doors off either of the Jeeps at 231k miles.
>
> If you can find a Cherokee in "engine rebuild" state, you can try
> stroking it to 4.7, which will also raise the compression ratio a
> bit, into the low 9's. [See HESCO or Clifford Performance websites
> for details.] This may be enough to help you a bit at high altitude.
>
> Or visit the Hesco website and drop a blower on a stroked engine
> to help with what I call the "I-70 pull test".
>
> Or win the PowerBall and buy a Turbo Cayenne...
>
> ==================================
>
>

charles stoyer

"L0nD0t.$t0we11" <"L0nD0t.$t0we11"@ComcastDot.Net> wrote in message
news:G7JNb.63435$sv6.142197@attbi_s52...
> Roughly 1/15/04 18:59, Charles Stoyer's monkeys randomly typed:
>
> > Right now I have Jeep Cherokees (2 x 1987) and am looking to upgrade. I
can
> > get a 1994 Cherokee for around $4k if I can find one. I am in Denver
area.
> >
> > Complaints about Cherokee are low power (I drive between 6,000 and
11,000
> > feet above sea level), not so great mileage (20 mpg on a good day) and
poor
> > towing capacity (snowmobile trailer w/2 sleds). Cherokees have about
> > 180-190k miles on them.
>
> ...just in time to rebuild and hot rod.

Now that is an option I never thought of. Is there room for a supercharger
or turbo in there?

> >
> > Chains don't fit well on rear wheels - low fender clearance, low spring
> > clearance (leaf springs).
>
> ? Have you checked the Security Chains fitment at their
> website? http://www.scc-chain.com/
>
> According them, you can run their chains on the Cherokee
> and Grand Cherokee if you use these
> tire sizes: [and stay under 30mph]
> P215/75-15 P225/70-15 P245/70-15 P225/70-16 P225/75-15

Jeep XJ no. 2 did not have front axle working at hunting camp. Chains on
rear wheels P215/75-15 kept hitting something.

thanks,

Charles.
>
> >
> > Engine compartment is tight, cargo capacity is OK. Off-road capability
is
> > good.
> >
> > I am looking for 5-speed manual, maybe a more modern engine (24 valves?)
> > than the straight six in the Cherokee. Cherokee supposedly has 177 HP,
newer
> > (HO) engines have 190, I think. At 6,000 feet and above, my 86 SAAB 900
> > Turbo with 160 HP and weighing 2,900 lbs (Jeep weighs around 3,100) will
> > suck the doors off either of the Jeeps at 231k miles.
>
> If you can find a Cherokee in "engine rebuild" state, you can try
> stroking it to 4.7, which will also raise the compression ratio a
> bit, into the low 9's. [See HESCO or Clifford Performance websites
> for details.] This may be enough to help you a bit at high altitude.
>
> Or visit the Hesco website and drop a blower on a stroked engine
> to help with what I call the "I-70 pull test".
>
> Or win the PowerBall and buy a Turbo Cayenne...
>
> ==================================
>
>

L0nD0t.$t0we11

Roughly 1/16/04 12:34, charles stoyer's monkeys randomly typed:


> Now that is an option I never thought of. Is there room for a supercharger
> or turbo in there?

Ping DougW, pretty sure he has a charger, but think his is
a ZJ. However you can check the HESCO website for kits
for a Cherokee.

L0nD0t.$t0we11

Roughly 1/16/04 12:34, charles stoyer's monkeys randomly typed:


> Now that is an option I never thought of. Is there room for a supercharger
> or turbo in there?

Ping DougW, pretty sure he has a charger, but think his is
a ZJ. However you can check the HESCO website for kits
for a Cherokee.

L0nD0t.$t0we11

Roughly 1/16/04 12:34, charles stoyer's monkeys randomly typed:


> Now that is an option I never thought of. Is there room for a supercharger
> or turbo in there?

Ping DougW, pretty sure he has a charger, but think his is
a ZJ. However you can check the HESCO website for kits
for a Cherokee.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Doug's: http://members.***.net/wilsond/zj.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

charles stoyer wrote:
>
> Now that is an option I never thought of. Is there room for a supercharger
> or turbo in there?

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Doug's: http://members.***.net/wilsond/zj.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

charles stoyer wrote:
>
> Now that is an option I never thought of. Is there room for a supercharger
> or turbo in there?

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Doug's: http://members.***.net/wilsond/zj.html
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

charles stoyer wrote:
>
> Now that is an option I never thought of. Is there room for a supercharger
> or turbo in there?

bowgus

Ok so ... 1% to 2% loss per 1000 ft ... let's assume 2% ... so that's about
20%. Now, I myself never run at 190 hp, so that says to me, run at about 20%
more than I do down here, and I'm even. Now, I'm never above about 2000 rpm
.... absolutely no need to ... shifts at about 1800 rpm, about 1800 rpm at 60
mph ... so I'm guessing a gear change and another 1000 rpm would more than
do it for me. I'd go find you the power/torque curves but ...



"charles stoyer" <interpex@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "bowgus" <Bowgus@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:OMINb.41252$ZuL1.2266@twister01.bloor.is.net. cable.rogers.com...
> > Well ... I needed to pull a 3000 lb boat/trailer, do the daily drive,
and
> do
> > the weekend trips. The '96 Cherokee 4.0 litre HO, 4spd auto, Command
Trac
> > suited perfectly ... a basic machine that best met my requirements.
> >
> > - 4.0 litre HO lots of power, regular gas ... and provides lotsa heat in
> the
> > winter (246,000 km and running as new).
>
> But are you driving at 7,000 to 11,000 feet where your 190 hp engine now
has
> 150 to 125 hp?
>
> > - Cherokee ... 3100 lbs, 4 door ... comfortable ride.
> > - 4 spd auto with lock up ... makes towing easy, relatively economical.
> > - Command Trac ... gives me RWD for day to day, 4H for winter, 4L for
> > pulling the boat outta the drink ... just put it in gear and it'll idle
> it's
> > way up the ramp/beach/stones.
>
> Aside from the fact that I don't do auto, 5-speed should give me at least
as
> much power to the wheels. I am beginning to think that at 3,100 lbs or so,
I
> won't get any more power, not without buying something new.
>
>
> >
> >
> > "Charles Stoyer" <cstoyer@interpex.com> wrote in message
> > news:6KednSM-UMFFzprdRVn-hA@4dv.net...
> > > Right now I have Jeep Cherokees (2 x 1987) and am looking to upgrade.
I
> > can
> > > get a 1994 Cherokee for around $4k if I can find one. I am in Denver
> area.
> > >
> > > Complaints about Cherokee are low power (I drive between 6,000 and
> 11,000
> > > feet above sea level), not so great mileage (20 mpg on a good day) and
> > poor
> > > towing capacity (snowmobile trailer w/2 sleds). Cherokees have about
> > > 180-190k miles on them.
> > >
> > > Chains don't fit well on rear wheels - low fender clearance, low
spring
> > > clearance (leaf springs).
> > >
> > > Engine compartment is tight, cargo capacity is OK. Off-road capability
> is
> > > good.
> > >
> > > I am looking for 5-speed manual, maybe a more modern engine (24
valves?)
> > > than the straight six in the Cherokee. Cherokee supposedly has 177 HP,
> > newer
> > > (HO) engines have 190, I think. At 6,000 feet and above, my 86 SAAB
900
> > > Turbo with 160 HP and weighing 2,900 lbs (Jeep weighs around 3,100)
will
> > > suck the doors off either of the Jeeps at 231k miles.
> > >
> > > It seems the Toyota 4runner is lower power and heavier vehicle, also a
> lot
> > > more expensive. Got a loan of an Izuzu Rodeo and it seemed like a nice
> > > vehicle but they are notorious for burning up engines. Don't even talk
> > about
> > > the Ford Exploder. Nissan Pathfinder is not impressive. JGC (ZJ) does
> not
> > > come with 5-speed manual, so that is out (although some early ones did
> but
> > > they are hard to find).
> > >
> > > Would most power in a light (3,000 lb) SUV be maybe a 94 or so
Cherokee
> > with
> > > a free flow cat-back exhaust? I seem to keep coming back to Jeep for
> light
> > > vehicle with power and low cost.
> > >
> > > I know you guys are gonna favor Jeep but maybe you can say what to
> really
> > > stay away from, besides what I already mentioned. Or what comparisons
> have
> > > you made before buying Jeep?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > >
> > > Charles.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>