86 Cherokee. Need desperate electrical help!!!! plz
03-31-2006, 07:29 PM
#31
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Re: 86 Cherokee. Need desperate electrical help!!!! plz
Even with the radio out it still pops a fuse the radio is an
aftermarket one that doesn't use the same harness. I noticed that there
are 2 harness one was cut off with new wires to go to the radio and the
other one is just dangling there it does not go into the radio, that
harness had the black ground wire snapped, but I doubt this could be
the problem. I did reconnect it though. I'm really stumped would it
just be either to hard wire it from say the battery with an inline fuse
on the hot side, and running it to all the parking lights, and connect
it to a toggle, but then I would have to figure out a way to light the
interior this is driving me insane, does anyone have any waring harness
diagrams and locations and such I have a lights diagram but it sure is
not very helpful.
Dave
aftermarket one that doesn't use the same harness. I noticed that there
are 2 harness one was cut off with new wires to go to the radio and the
other one is just dangling there it does not go into the radio, that
harness had the black ground wire snapped, but I doubt this could be
the problem. I did reconnect it though. I'm really stumped would it
just be either to hard wire it from say the battery with an inline fuse
on the hot side, and running it to all the parking lights, and connect
it to a toggle, but then I would have to figure out a way to light the
interior this is driving me insane, does anyone have any waring harness
diagrams and locations and such I have a lights diagram but it sure is
not very helpful.
Dave
03-31-2006, 07:46 PM
#32
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Re: 86 Cherokee. Need desperate electrical help!!!! plz
It sure sounds like a dead short. The meter was beeping on the power
line to the lights which meant short. Have you checked all the bulbs on
the circuit?
Does the sucker have a trailer hitch? The wires for that can short out.
I have the factory wiring diagram for an 88. I could email it if it
might help.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Dave G wrote:
>
> Even with the radio out it still pops a fuse the radio is an
> aftermarket one that doesn't use the same harness. I noticed that there
> are 2 harness one was cut off with new wires to go to the radio and the
> other one is just dangling there it does not go into the radio, that
> harness had the black ground wire snapped, but I doubt this could be
> the problem. I did reconnect it though. I'm really stumped would it
> just be either to hard wire it from say the battery with an inline fuse
> on the hot side, and running it to all the parking lights, and connect
> it to a toggle, but then I would have to figure out a way to light the
> interior this is driving me insane, does anyone have any waring harness
> diagrams and locations and such I have a lights diagram but it sure is
> not very helpful.
>
> Dave
line to the lights which meant short. Have you checked all the bulbs on
the circuit?
Does the sucker have a trailer hitch? The wires for that can short out.
I have the factory wiring diagram for an 88. I could email it if it
might help.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Dave G wrote:
>
> Even with the radio out it still pops a fuse the radio is an
> aftermarket one that doesn't use the same harness. I noticed that there
> are 2 harness one was cut off with new wires to go to the radio and the
> other one is just dangling there it does not go into the radio, that
> harness had the black ground wire snapped, but I doubt this could be
> the problem. I did reconnect it though. I'm really stumped would it
> just be either to hard wire it from say the battery with an inline fuse
> on the hot side, and running it to all the parking lights, and connect
> it to a toggle, but then I would have to figure out a way to light the
> interior this is driving me insane, does anyone have any waring harness
> diagrams and locations and such I have a lights diagram but it sure is
> not very helpful.
>
> Dave
03-31-2006, 07:46 PM
#33
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Re: 86 Cherokee. Need desperate electrical help!!!! plz
It sure sounds like a dead short. The meter was beeping on the power
line to the lights which meant short. Have you checked all the bulbs on
the circuit?
Does the sucker have a trailer hitch? The wires for that can short out.
I have the factory wiring diagram for an 88. I could email it if it
might help.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Dave G wrote:
>
> Even with the radio out it still pops a fuse the radio is an
> aftermarket one that doesn't use the same harness. I noticed that there
> are 2 harness one was cut off with new wires to go to the radio and the
> other one is just dangling there it does not go into the radio, that
> harness had the black ground wire snapped, but I doubt this could be
> the problem. I did reconnect it though. I'm really stumped would it
> just be either to hard wire it from say the battery with an inline fuse
> on the hot side, and running it to all the parking lights, and connect
> it to a toggle, but then I would have to figure out a way to light the
> interior this is driving me insane, does anyone have any waring harness
> diagrams and locations and such I have a lights diagram but it sure is
> not very helpful.
>
> Dave
line to the lights which meant short. Have you checked all the bulbs on
the circuit?
Does the sucker have a trailer hitch? The wires for that can short out.
I have the factory wiring diagram for an 88. I could email it if it
might help.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Dave G wrote:
>
> Even with the radio out it still pops a fuse the radio is an
> aftermarket one that doesn't use the same harness. I noticed that there
> are 2 harness one was cut off with new wires to go to the radio and the
> other one is just dangling there it does not go into the radio, that
> harness had the black ground wire snapped, but I doubt this could be
> the problem. I did reconnect it though. I'm really stumped would it
> just be either to hard wire it from say the battery with an inline fuse
> on the hot side, and running it to all the parking lights, and connect
> it to a toggle, but then I would have to figure out a way to light the
> interior this is driving me insane, does anyone have any waring harness
> diagrams and locations and such I have a lights diagram but it sure is
> not very helpful.
>
> Dave
03-31-2006, 07:46 PM
#34
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Re: 86 Cherokee. Need desperate electrical help!!!! plz
It sure sounds like a dead short. The meter was beeping on the power
line to the lights which meant short. Have you checked all the bulbs on
the circuit?
Does the sucker have a trailer hitch? The wires for that can short out.
I have the factory wiring diagram for an 88. I could email it if it
might help.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Dave G wrote:
>
> Even with the radio out it still pops a fuse the radio is an
> aftermarket one that doesn't use the same harness. I noticed that there
> are 2 harness one was cut off with new wires to go to the radio and the
> other one is just dangling there it does not go into the radio, that
> harness had the black ground wire snapped, but I doubt this could be
> the problem. I did reconnect it though. I'm really stumped would it
> just be either to hard wire it from say the battery with an inline fuse
> on the hot side, and running it to all the parking lights, and connect
> it to a toggle, but then I would have to figure out a way to light the
> interior this is driving me insane, does anyone have any waring harness
> diagrams and locations and such I have a lights diagram but it sure is
> not very helpful.
>
> Dave
line to the lights which meant short. Have you checked all the bulbs on
the circuit?
Does the sucker have a trailer hitch? The wires for that can short out.
I have the factory wiring diagram for an 88. I could email it if it
might help.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Dave G wrote:
>
> Even with the radio out it still pops a fuse the radio is an
> aftermarket one that doesn't use the same harness. I noticed that there
> are 2 harness one was cut off with new wires to go to the radio and the
> other one is just dangling there it does not go into the radio, that
> harness had the black ground wire snapped, but I doubt this could be
> the problem. I did reconnect it though. I'm really stumped would it
> just be either to hard wire it from say the battery with an inline fuse
> on the hot side, and running it to all the parking lights, and connect
> it to a toggle, but then I would have to figure out a way to light the
> interior this is driving me insane, does anyone have any waring harness
> diagrams and locations and such I have a lights diagram but it sure is
> not very helpful.
>
> Dave
03-31-2006, 07:49 PM
#35
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Re: 86 Cherokee. Need desperate electrical help!!!! plz
You know.....
He says everything was fine until he installed the radio and oh by the way
there is a rats nest of suspect wiring and lose wires hanging about and
there are wrong size fuses installed..
After checking the first suggestion of bad grounds that did not pan out
common sense would suggest that he remove the radio.... the problems did not
appear until this 'used' radio was installed that the previous owner advised
was not working properly
Mike advised him to remove the radio and he took the dashboard apart looking
for additional bad grounds and found nothing.
Then he started playing around the an ohm-meter he admits which he doesn't
know how to use and adds that " it looks like someone has screwed around
with the wiring.....bad" and "I need desperate help and please feel free to
go into depth with things."
Okay Dave ... you have heard of 12 step programs for alcoholics and addicts
and we have a 12 step program for this situation also
Step 1: Remove the radio, copy or photograph the diagram stamped into the
case that says what wire goes where.
Step 2: Smash the radio with a sledgehammer to prevent you or someone else
from installing it in this or any other vehicle.
Step 3: Throw the bits away
Step 4: If the Jeep will start and the electrical components that worked
before work now say a prayer and go to you local community Fish Fry for
dinner.
If you really want a stock radio:
Step 5: Read the instruction book on the meter. It may be a Volt-Ohm meter
or Volt-Ohm-Amp meter.. In any case wander around the house testing the
various AC plugs and batteries you find. .
Step 6: Test your vehicle battery for voltage, test your battery voltage
with the headlights on and off, check with the car being cranked.
Step 7: Check your main grounds for resistance. There should be three.
Battery to body which is usually behind the battery, battery to engine
block, and cylinder head to firewall which is usually a mesh strap
connecting a valve cover bolt near the rear to the firewall diagonally
across from it.
Step 8: Take all these grounds apart and wire brush or steel wool them
until they are shiny. Please note that these grounds have a nasty habit of
rotting from within
Step 9: Check the wiring diagram from step 1 and using your meter check the
voltage in the radio wiring pigtail. Make sure it is 12v and that the hot
is hot and the ground is ground and not switched. Check with the key on and
the key off. It should have power with the key on and no power with the key
off
Step 10: Procure a matching or compatible Jeep Radio that works
Step 11: Install it
Step 12: Enjoy...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:442DB91F.111E4FA7@sympatico.ca...
> Seeing as that one is usually tied into the park light circuit, it made
> it my guess.....
>
> I first thought the radio was acting as a ground for the wrong thing,
> but didn't say it well....
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Maybe the instrument panel light inside the radio?
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:442DA5FA.9FFDC2B1@sympatico.ca...
>> > The duct tape is from the factory, all the Jeep harnesses I have seen
>> > use it here and there. Seriously...
>> >
>> > I think the radio that the OP said killed the battery, which is why it
>> > was out in the first place, is the trouble. I think he will find his
>> > short there.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Earle Horton wrote:
>> > >
>> > > There are many different brands and models of ohm meter. I assume
>> > > that
>> you
>> > > actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps
>> scales. I
>> > > suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start to
>> > > finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you with
>> the
>> > > meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less
>> scary.
>> > > For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the lowest
>> > > ohm
>> > > scale that it has.
>> > >
>> > > Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a
>> > > beeper
>> on
>> > > that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is
>> > > the
>> same
>> > > way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless in
>> > > this
>> > > application.
>> > >
>> > > If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking
>> > > light
>> > > circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that you
>> have a
>> > > dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually
>> > > ground
>> in an
>> > > automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example,
>> > > house
>> > > wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
>> > >
>> > > In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the parking
>> light
>> > > wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of the
>> feeds
>> > > or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get
>> > > rid
>> of
>> > > that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now just
>> because
>> > > a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous
>> > > owner
>> > > might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are blue,
>> with
>> > > black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts store
>> happened
>> > > to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a short
>> > > is
>> in
>> > > the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is
>> > > shorted
>> > > internally.
>> > >
>> > > You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light
>> sockets
>> > > of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it is
>> more
>> > > effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down the
>> short.
>> > >
>> > > Earle
>> > >
>> > > "Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> > > > Hi all its me again.
>> > > >
>> > > > I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be
>> > > > shorted
>> > > > I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
>> > > > headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the
>> > > > grounds
>> > > > at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a
>> > > > black
>> > > > wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame or
>> the
>> > > > battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have one
>> and
>> > > > when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be the
>> > > > parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the
>> > > > black
>> > > > wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a
>> > > > reading
>> of
>> > > > either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
>> > > > circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time I
>> > > > turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all
>> > > > mostly
>> > > > mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm almost
>> > > > clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed
>> around
>> > > > with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the
>> > > > signal
>> > > > lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in a
>> > > > plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was
>> wrapped
>> > > > in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to
>> > > > go
>> > > > into depth with things.
>> > > > This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
>> > > >
>> > > > Sincerely
>> > > >
>> > > > Dave
>> > > >
>> > >
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He says everything was fine until he installed the radio and oh by the way
there is a rats nest of suspect wiring and lose wires hanging about and
there are wrong size fuses installed..
After checking the first suggestion of bad grounds that did not pan out
common sense would suggest that he remove the radio.... the problems did not
appear until this 'used' radio was installed that the previous owner advised
was not working properly
Mike advised him to remove the radio and he took the dashboard apart looking
for additional bad grounds and found nothing.
Then he started playing around the an ohm-meter he admits which he doesn't
know how to use and adds that " it looks like someone has screwed around
with the wiring.....bad" and "I need desperate help and please feel free to
go into depth with things."
Okay Dave ... you have heard of 12 step programs for alcoholics and addicts
and we have a 12 step program for this situation also
Step 1: Remove the radio, copy or photograph the diagram stamped into the
case that says what wire goes where.
Step 2: Smash the radio with a sledgehammer to prevent you or someone else
from installing it in this or any other vehicle.
Step 3: Throw the bits away
Step 4: If the Jeep will start and the electrical components that worked
before work now say a prayer and go to you local community Fish Fry for
dinner.
If you really want a stock radio:
Step 5: Read the instruction book on the meter. It may be a Volt-Ohm meter
or Volt-Ohm-Amp meter.. In any case wander around the house testing the
various AC plugs and batteries you find. .
Step 6: Test your vehicle battery for voltage, test your battery voltage
with the headlights on and off, check with the car being cranked.
Step 7: Check your main grounds for resistance. There should be three.
Battery to body which is usually behind the battery, battery to engine
block, and cylinder head to firewall which is usually a mesh strap
connecting a valve cover bolt near the rear to the firewall diagonally
across from it.
Step 8: Take all these grounds apart and wire brush or steel wool them
until they are shiny. Please note that these grounds have a nasty habit of
rotting from within
Step 9: Check the wiring diagram from step 1 and using your meter check the
voltage in the radio wiring pigtail. Make sure it is 12v and that the hot
is hot and the ground is ground and not switched. Check with the key on and
the key off. It should have power with the key on and no power with the key
off
Step 10: Procure a matching or compatible Jeep Radio that works
Step 11: Install it
Step 12: Enjoy...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:442DB91F.111E4FA7@sympatico.ca...
> Seeing as that one is usually tied into the park light circuit, it made
> it my guess.....
>
> I first thought the radio was acting as a ground for the wrong thing,
> but didn't say it well....
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Maybe the instrument panel light inside the radio?
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:442DA5FA.9FFDC2B1@sympatico.ca...
>> > The duct tape is from the factory, all the Jeep harnesses I have seen
>> > use it here and there. Seriously...
>> >
>> > I think the radio that the OP said killed the battery, which is why it
>> > was out in the first place, is the trouble. I think he will find his
>> > short there.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Earle Horton wrote:
>> > >
>> > > There are many different brands and models of ohm meter. I assume
>> > > that
>> you
>> > > actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps
>> scales. I
>> > > suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start to
>> > > finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you with
>> the
>> > > meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less
>> scary.
>> > > For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the lowest
>> > > ohm
>> > > scale that it has.
>> > >
>> > > Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a
>> > > beeper
>> on
>> > > that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is
>> > > the
>> same
>> > > way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless in
>> > > this
>> > > application.
>> > >
>> > > If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking
>> > > light
>> > > circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that you
>> have a
>> > > dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually
>> > > ground
>> in an
>> > > automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example,
>> > > house
>> > > wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
>> > >
>> > > In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the parking
>> light
>> > > wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of the
>> feeds
>> > > or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get
>> > > rid
>> of
>> > > that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now just
>> because
>> > > a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous
>> > > owner
>> > > might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are blue,
>> with
>> > > black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts store
>> happened
>> > > to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a short
>> > > is
>> in
>> > > the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is
>> > > shorted
>> > > internally.
>> > >
>> > > You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light
>> sockets
>> > > of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it is
>> more
>> > > effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down the
>> short.
>> > >
>> > > Earle
>> > >
>> > > "Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> > > > Hi all its me again.
>> > > >
>> > > > I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be
>> > > > shorted
>> > > > I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
>> > > > headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the
>> > > > grounds
>> > > > at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a
>> > > > black
>> > > > wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame or
>> the
>> > > > battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have one
>> and
>> > > > when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be the
>> > > > parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the
>> > > > black
>> > > > wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a
>> > > > reading
>> of
>> > > > either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
>> > > > circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time I
>> > > > turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all
>> > > > mostly
>> > > > mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm almost
>> > > > clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed
>> around
>> > > > with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the
>> > > > signal
>> > > > lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in a
>> > > > plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was
>> wrapped
>> > > > in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to
>> > > > go
>> > > > into depth with things.
>> > > > This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
>> > > >
>> > > > Sincerely
>> > > >
>> > > > Dave
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
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03-31-2006, 07:49 PM
#36
Guest
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Re: 86 Cherokee. Need desperate electrical help!!!! plz
You know.....
He says everything was fine until he installed the radio and oh by the way
there is a rats nest of suspect wiring and lose wires hanging about and
there are wrong size fuses installed..
After checking the first suggestion of bad grounds that did not pan out
common sense would suggest that he remove the radio.... the problems did not
appear until this 'used' radio was installed that the previous owner advised
was not working properly
Mike advised him to remove the radio and he took the dashboard apart looking
for additional bad grounds and found nothing.
Then he started playing around the an ohm-meter he admits which he doesn't
know how to use and adds that " it looks like someone has screwed around
with the wiring.....bad" and "I need desperate help and please feel free to
go into depth with things."
Okay Dave ... you have heard of 12 step programs for alcoholics and addicts
and we have a 12 step program for this situation also
Step 1: Remove the radio, copy or photograph the diagram stamped into the
case that says what wire goes where.
Step 2: Smash the radio with a sledgehammer to prevent you or someone else
from installing it in this or any other vehicle.
Step 3: Throw the bits away
Step 4: If the Jeep will start and the electrical components that worked
before work now say a prayer and go to you local community Fish Fry for
dinner.
If you really want a stock radio:
Step 5: Read the instruction book on the meter. It may be a Volt-Ohm meter
or Volt-Ohm-Amp meter.. In any case wander around the house testing the
various AC plugs and batteries you find. .
Step 6: Test your vehicle battery for voltage, test your battery voltage
with the headlights on and off, check with the car being cranked.
Step 7: Check your main grounds for resistance. There should be three.
Battery to body which is usually behind the battery, battery to engine
block, and cylinder head to firewall which is usually a mesh strap
connecting a valve cover bolt near the rear to the firewall diagonally
across from it.
Step 8: Take all these grounds apart and wire brush or steel wool them
until they are shiny. Please note that these grounds have a nasty habit of
rotting from within
Step 9: Check the wiring diagram from step 1 and using your meter check the
voltage in the radio wiring pigtail. Make sure it is 12v and that the hot
is hot and the ground is ground and not switched. Check with the key on and
the key off. It should have power with the key on and no power with the key
off
Step 10: Procure a matching or compatible Jeep Radio that works
Step 11: Install it
Step 12: Enjoy...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:442DB91F.111E4FA7@sympatico.ca...
> Seeing as that one is usually tied into the park light circuit, it made
> it my guess.....
>
> I first thought the radio was acting as a ground for the wrong thing,
> but didn't say it well....
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Maybe the instrument panel light inside the radio?
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:442DA5FA.9FFDC2B1@sympatico.ca...
>> > The duct tape is from the factory, all the Jeep harnesses I have seen
>> > use it here and there. Seriously...
>> >
>> > I think the radio that the OP said killed the battery, which is why it
>> > was out in the first place, is the trouble. I think he will find his
>> > short there.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Earle Horton wrote:
>> > >
>> > > There are many different brands and models of ohm meter. I assume
>> > > that
>> you
>> > > actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps
>> scales. I
>> > > suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start to
>> > > finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you with
>> the
>> > > meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less
>> scary.
>> > > For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the lowest
>> > > ohm
>> > > scale that it has.
>> > >
>> > > Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a
>> > > beeper
>> on
>> > > that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is
>> > > the
>> same
>> > > way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless in
>> > > this
>> > > application.
>> > >
>> > > If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking
>> > > light
>> > > circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that you
>> have a
>> > > dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually
>> > > ground
>> in an
>> > > automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example,
>> > > house
>> > > wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
>> > >
>> > > In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the parking
>> light
>> > > wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of the
>> feeds
>> > > or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get
>> > > rid
>> of
>> > > that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now just
>> because
>> > > a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous
>> > > owner
>> > > might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are blue,
>> with
>> > > black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts store
>> happened
>> > > to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a short
>> > > is
>> in
>> > > the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is
>> > > shorted
>> > > internally.
>> > >
>> > > You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light
>> sockets
>> > > of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it is
>> more
>> > > effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down the
>> short.
>> > >
>> > > Earle
>> > >
>> > > "Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> > > > Hi all its me again.
>> > > >
>> > > > I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be
>> > > > shorted
>> > > > I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
>> > > > headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the
>> > > > grounds
>> > > > at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a
>> > > > black
>> > > > wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame or
>> the
>> > > > battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have one
>> and
>> > > > when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be the
>> > > > parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the
>> > > > black
>> > > > wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a
>> > > > reading
>> of
>> > > > either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
>> > > > circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time I
>> > > > turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all
>> > > > mostly
>> > > > mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm almost
>> > > > clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed
>> around
>> > > > with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the
>> > > > signal
>> > > > lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in a
>> > > > plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was
>> wrapped
>> > > > in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to
>> > > > go
>> > > > into depth with things.
>> > > > This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
>> > > >
>> > > > Sincerely
>> > > >
>> > > > Dave
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
>> > > *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from
>> http://www.SecureIX.com ***
>>
>> *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
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He says everything was fine until he installed the radio and oh by the way
there is a rats nest of suspect wiring and lose wires hanging about and
there are wrong size fuses installed..
After checking the first suggestion of bad grounds that did not pan out
common sense would suggest that he remove the radio.... the problems did not
appear until this 'used' radio was installed that the previous owner advised
was not working properly
Mike advised him to remove the radio and he took the dashboard apart looking
for additional bad grounds and found nothing.
Then he started playing around the an ohm-meter he admits which he doesn't
know how to use and adds that " it looks like someone has screwed around
with the wiring.....bad" and "I need desperate help and please feel free to
go into depth with things."
Okay Dave ... you have heard of 12 step programs for alcoholics and addicts
and we have a 12 step program for this situation also
Step 1: Remove the radio, copy or photograph the diagram stamped into the
case that says what wire goes where.
Step 2: Smash the radio with a sledgehammer to prevent you or someone else
from installing it in this or any other vehicle.
Step 3: Throw the bits away
Step 4: If the Jeep will start and the electrical components that worked
before work now say a prayer and go to you local community Fish Fry for
dinner.
If you really want a stock radio:
Step 5: Read the instruction book on the meter. It may be a Volt-Ohm meter
or Volt-Ohm-Amp meter.. In any case wander around the house testing the
various AC plugs and batteries you find. .
Step 6: Test your vehicle battery for voltage, test your battery voltage
with the headlights on and off, check with the car being cranked.
Step 7: Check your main grounds for resistance. There should be three.
Battery to body which is usually behind the battery, battery to engine
block, and cylinder head to firewall which is usually a mesh strap
connecting a valve cover bolt near the rear to the firewall diagonally
across from it.
Step 8: Take all these grounds apart and wire brush or steel wool them
until they are shiny. Please note that these grounds have a nasty habit of
rotting from within
Step 9: Check the wiring diagram from step 1 and using your meter check the
voltage in the radio wiring pigtail. Make sure it is 12v and that the hot
is hot and the ground is ground and not switched. Check with the key on and
the key off. It should have power with the key on and no power with the key
off
Step 10: Procure a matching or compatible Jeep Radio that works
Step 11: Install it
Step 12: Enjoy...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:442DB91F.111E4FA7@sympatico.ca...
> Seeing as that one is usually tied into the park light circuit, it made
> it my guess.....
>
> I first thought the radio was acting as a ground for the wrong thing,
> but didn't say it well....
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Maybe the instrument panel light inside the radio?
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:442DA5FA.9FFDC2B1@sympatico.ca...
>> > The duct tape is from the factory, all the Jeep harnesses I have seen
>> > use it here and there. Seriously...
>> >
>> > I think the radio that the OP said killed the battery, which is why it
>> > was out in the first place, is the trouble. I think he will find his
>> > short there.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Earle Horton wrote:
>> > >
>> > > There are many different brands and models of ohm meter. I assume
>> > > that
>> you
>> > > actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps
>> scales. I
>> > > suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start to
>> > > finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you with
>> the
>> > > meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less
>> scary.
>> > > For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the lowest
>> > > ohm
>> > > scale that it has.
>> > >
>> > > Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a
>> > > beeper
>> on
>> > > that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is
>> > > the
>> same
>> > > way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless in
>> > > this
>> > > application.
>> > >
>> > > If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking
>> > > light
>> > > circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that you
>> have a
>> > > dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually
>> > > ground
>> in an
>> > > automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example,
>> > > house
>> > > wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
>> > >
>> > > In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the parking
>> light
>> > > wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of the
>> feeds
>> > > or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get
>> > > rid
>> of
>> > > that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now just
>> because
>> > > a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous
>> > > owner
>> > > might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are blue,
>> with
>> > > black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts store
>> happened
>> > > to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a short
>> > > is
>> in
>> > > the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is
>> > > shorted
>> > > internally.
>> > >
>> > > You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light
>> sockets
>> > > of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it is
>> more
>> > > effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down the
>> short.
>> > >
>> > > Earle
>> > >
>> > > "Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> > > > Hi all its me again.
>> > > >
>> > > > I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be
>> > > > shorted
>> > > > I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
>> > > > headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the
>> > > > grounds
>> > > > at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a
>> > > > black
>> > > > wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame or
>> the
>> > > > battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have one
>> and
>> > > > when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be the
>> > > > parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the
>> > > > black
>> > > > wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a
>> > > > reading
>> of
>> > > > either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
>> > > > circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time I
>> > > > turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all
>> > > > mostly
>> > > > mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm almost
>> > > > clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed
>> around
>> > > > with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the
>> > > > signal
>> > > > lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in a
>> > > > plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was
>> wrapped
>> > > > in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to
>> > > > go
>> > > > into depth with things.
>> > > > This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
>> > > >
>> > > > Sincerely
>> > > >
>> > > > Dave
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
>> > > *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from
>> http://www.SecureIX.com ***
>>
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03-31-2006, 07:49 PM
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Re: 86 Cherokee. Need desperate electrical help!!!! plz
You know.....
He says everything was fine until he installed the radio and oh by the way
there is a rats nest of suspect wiring and lose wires hanging about and
there are wrong size fuses installed..
After checking the first suggestion of bad grounds that did not pan out
common sense would suggest that he remove the radio.... the problems did not
appear until this 'used' radio was installed that the previous owner advised
was not working properly
Mike advised him to remove the radio and he took the dashboard apart looking
for additional bad grounds and found nothing.
Then he started playing around the an ohm-meter he admits which he doesn't
know how to use and adds that " it looks like someone has screwed around
with the wiring.....bad" and "I need desperate help and please feel free to
go into depth with things."
Okay Dave ... you have heard of 12 step programs for alcoholics and addicts
and we have a 12 step program for this situation also
Step 1: Remove the radio, copy or photograph the diagram stamped into the
case that says what wire goes where.
Step 2: Smash the radio with a sledgehammer to prevent you or someone else
from installing it in this or any other vehicle.
Step 3: Throw the bits away
Step 4: If the Jeep will start and the electrical components that worked
before work now say a prayer and go to you local community Fish Fry for
dinner.
If you really want a stock radio:
Step 5: Read the instruction book on the meter. It may be a Volt-Ohm meter
or Volt-Ohm-Amp meter.. In any case wander around the house testing the
various AC plugs and batteries you find. .
Step 6: Test your vehicle battery for voltage, test your battery voltage
with the headlights on and off, check with the car being cranked.
Step 7: Check your main grounds for resistance. There should be three.
Battery to body which is usually behind the battery, battery to engine
block, and cylinder head to firewall which is usually a mesh strap
connecting a valve cover bolt near the rear to the firewall diagonally
across from it.
Step 8: Take all these grounds apart and wire brush or steel wool them
until they are shiny. Please note that these grounds have a nasty habit of
rotting from within
Step 9: Check the wiring diagram from step 1 and using your meter check the
voltage in the radio wiring pigtail. Make sure it is 12v and that the hot
is hot and the ground is ground and not switched. Check with the key on and
the key off. It should have power with the key on and no power with the key
off
Step 10: Procure a matching or compatible Jeep Radio that works
Step 11: Install it
Step 12: Enjoy...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:442DB91F.111E4FA7@sympatico.ca...
> Seeing as that one is usually tied into the park light circuit, it made
> it my guess.....
>
> I first thought the radio was acting as a ground for the wrong thing,
> but didn't say it well....
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Maybe the instrument panel light inside the radio?
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:442DA5FA.9FFDC2B1@sympatico.ca...
>> > The duct tape is from the factory, all the Jeep harnesses I have seen
>> > use it here and there. Seriously...
>> >
>> > I think the radio that the OP said killed the battery, which is why it
>> > was out in the first place, is the trouble. I think he will find his
>> > short there.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Earle Horton wrote:
>> > >
>> > > There are many different brands and models of ohm meter. I assume
>> > > that
>> you
>> > > actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps
>> scales. I
>> > > suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start to
>> > > finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you with
>> the
>> > > meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less
>> scary.
>> > > For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the lowest
>> > > ohm
>> > > scale that it has.
>> > >
>> > > Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a
>> > > beeper
>> on
>> > > that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is
>> > > the
>> same
>> > > way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless in
>> > > this
>> > > application.
>> > >
>> > > If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking
>> > > light
>> > > circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that you
>> have a
>> > > dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually
>> > > ground
>> in an
>> > > automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example,
>> > > house
>> > > wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
>> > >
>> > > In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the parking
>> light
>> > > wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of the
>> feeds
>> > > or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get
>> > > rid
>> of
>> > > that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now just
>> because
>> > > a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous
>> > > owner
>> > > might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are blue,
>> with
>> > > black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts store
>> happened
>> > > to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a short
>> > > is
>> in
>> > > the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is
>> > > shorted
>> > > internally.
>> > >
>> > > You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light
>> sockets
>> > > of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it is
>> more
>> > > effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down the
>> short.
>> > >
>> > > Earle
>> > >
>> > > "Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> > > > Hi all its me again.
>> > > >
>> > > > I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be
>> > > > shorted
>> > > > I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
>> > > > headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the
>> > > > grounds
>> > > > at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a
>> > > > black
>> > > > wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame or
>> the
>> > > > battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have one
>> and
>> > > > when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be the
>> > > > parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the
>> > > > black
>> > > > wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a
>> > > > reading
>> of
>> > > > either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
>> > > > circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time I
>> > > > turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all
>> > > > mostly
>> > > > mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm almost
>> > > > clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed
>> around
>> > > > with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the
>> > > > signal
>> > > > lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in a
>> > > > plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was
>> wrapped
>> > > > in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to
>> > > > go
>> > > > into depth with things.
>> > > > This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
>> > > >
>> > > > Sincerely
>> > > >
>> > > > Dave
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
>> > > *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from
>> http://www.SecureIX.com ***
>>
>> *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
>> *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from
>> http://www.SecureIX.com ***
He says everything was fine until he installed the radio and oh by the way
there is a rats nest of suspect wiring and lose wires hanging about and
there are wrong size fuses installed..
After checking the first suggestion of bad grounds that did not pan out
common sense would suggest that he remove the radio.... the problems did not
appear until this 'used' radio was installed that the previous owner advised
was not working properly
Mike advised him to remove the radio and he took the dashboard apart looking
for additional bad grounds and found nothing.
Then he started playing around the an ohm-meter he admits which he doesn't
know how to use and adds that " it looks like someone has screwed around
with the wiring.....bad" and "I need desperate help and please feel free to
go into depth with things."
Okay Dave ... you have heard of 12 step programs for alcoholics and addicts
and we have a 12 step program for this situation also
Step 1: Remove the radio, copy or photograph the diagram stamped into the
case that says what wire goes where.
Step 2: Smash the radio with a sledgehammer to prevent you or someone else
from installing it in this or any other vehicle.
Step 3: Throw the bits away
Step 4: If the Jeep will start and the electrical components that worked
before work now say a prayer and go to you local community Fish Fry for
dinner.
If you really want a stock radio:
Step 5: Read the instruction book on the meter. It may be a Volt-Ohm meter
or Volt-Ohm-Amp meter.. In any case wander around the house testing the
various AC plugs and batteries you find. .
Step 6: Test your vehicle battery for voltage, test your battery voltage
with the headlights on and off, check with the car being cranked.
Step 7: Check your main grounds for resistance. There should be three.
Battery to body which is usually behind the battery, battery to engine
block, and cylinder head to firewall which is usually a mesh strap
connecting a valve cover bolt near the rear to the firewall diagonally
across from it.
Step 8: Take all these grounds apart and wire brush or steel wool them
until they are shiny. Please note that these grounds have a nasty habit of
rotting from within
Step 9: Check the wiring diagram from step 1 and using your meter check the
voltage in the radio wiring pigtail. Make sure it is 12v and that the hot
is hot and the ground is ground and not switched. Check with the key on and
the key off. It should have power with the key on and no power with the key
off
Step 10: Procure a matching or compatible Jeep Radio that works
Step 11: Install it
Step 12: Enjoy...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:442DB91F.111E4FA7@sympatico.ca...
> Seeing as that one is usually tied into the park light circuit, it made
> it my guess.....
>
> I first thought the radio was acting as a ground for the wrong thing,
> but didn't say it well....
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Maybe the instrument panel light inside the radio?
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:442DA5FA.9FFDC2B1@sympatico.ca...
>> > The duct tape is from the factory, all the Jeep harnesses I have seen
>> > use it here and there. Seriously...
>> >
>> > I think the radio that the OP said killed the battery, which is why it
>> > was out in the first place, is the trouble. I think he will find his
>> > short there.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > Earle Horton wrote:
>> > >
>> > > There are many different brands and models of ohm meter. I assume
>> > > that
>> you
>> > > actually have some kind of "multimeter" with volts, ohms, and amps
>> scales. I
>> > > suggest that you read the manual that comes with yours, from start to
>> > > finish. This will not only have the effect of familiarizing you with
>> the
>> > > meter, but it may calm you down and make all that electricity less
>> scary.
>> > > For this kind of work, you will want to put the meter on the lowest
>> > > ohm
>> > > scale that it has.
>> > >
>> > > Mine is a Suntool multimeter with a 1-200 ohm scale, that has a
>> > > beeper
>> on
>> > > that scale. Beeping indicates a dead short, and yours probably is
>> > > the
>> same
>> > > way. The higher scales, like 100-20,000 ohms, etc., are useless in
>> > > this
>> > > application.
>> > >
>> > > If you are getting readings of 0.002 or 0.008 ohms on the parking
>> > > light
>> > > circuit, or beeping for a dead short, then chances are good that you
>> have a
>> > > dead short to ground, in that circuit. Black wires are usually
>> > > ground
>> in an
>> > > automotive application. Do not try to apply this to, for example,
>> > > house
>> > > wiring, or you are likely to give yourself a nasty burn.
>> > >
>> > > In a case like this you will better off, unwrapping all the parking
>> light
>> > > wires, including the grounds. I'll bet someone has wired one of the
>> feeds
>> > > or 12 volts directly to ground. At the least you will want to get
>> > > rid
>> of
>> > > that duct tape and replace it with proper electrical tape. Now just
>> because
>> > > a wire is black, that does not mean it is a ground. The previous
>> > > owner
>> > > might have replaced the parking light wires, which you say are blue,
>> with
>> > > black, just because the local Radio Shack or automotive parts store
>> happened
>> > > to have black in stock. Although the most likely place for a short
>> > > is
>> in
>> > > the wiring, it is also possible that one of the light sockets is
>> > > shorted
>> > > internally.
>> > >
>> > > You should be able to buy blue wire, black wire, and parking light
>> sockets
>> > > of the proper type, at your local auto parts store. Sometimes, it is
>> more
>> > > effective to replace the whole circuit, than to try to track down the
>> short.
>> > >
>> > > Earle
>> > >
>> > > "Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:1143837824.961171.104190@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> > > > Hi all its me again.
>> > > >
>> > > > I pulled the instrument panel out none of the bulbs seem to be
>> > > > shorted
>> > > > I tried a new fuse with the instrument cluster out and pulled the
>> > > > headlight switch and it still blows a fuse. Where are all the
>> > > > grounds
>> > > > at for the parking lights, all of them seem to run back into a
>> > > > black
>> > > > wire!!!!! Nothing that I have found ties it back into the frame or
>> the
>> > > > battery for an actual ground. How do I work an ohm meter I have one
>> and
>> > > > when I touch say the red probe to the blue wire which would be the
>> > > > parking lights and then to either the body for a ground or the
>> > > > black
>> > > > wire coming out of the back of the headlight switch, I get a
>> > > > reading
>> of
>> > > > either.008 or .002. and it beeps at me???????? Does this mean the
>> > > > circuit is good or bad??? I pulling my teeth out cause every time I
>> > > > turn around I find something else wrong with this jeep, its all
>> > > > mostly
>> > > > mechanical stuff so no prob, but this electricity stuff I'm almost
>> > > > clueless, and to top it all of it looks like someone has screwed
>> around
>> > > > with the wiring......bad. Like 4 black wires that run from the
>> > > > signal
>> > > > lights (I believe), the marker lights and 2 other sources run in a
>> > > > plastic flex tube and are soldered to 3 black wires then it was
>> wrapped
>> > > > in Duct Tape!!!!!!! I need desperate help and please feel free to
>> > > > go
>> > > > into depth with things.
>> > > > This is driving me crazy................ Literaly
>> > > >
>> > > > Sincerely
>> > > >
>> > > > Dave
>> > > >
>> > >
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03-31-2006, 07:52 PM
#38
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Re: 86 Cherokee. Need desperate electrical help!!!! plz
Dave,
Did you change ANY of the connections on these two sets of wires?
What did you "reconnect"?
"Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143851387.217511.118920@g10g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Even with the radio out it still pops a fuse the radio is an
> aftermarket one that doesn't use the same harness. I noticed that there
> are 2 harness one was cut off with new wires to go to the radio and the
> other one is just dangling there it does not go into the radio, that
> harness had the black ground wire snapped, but I doubt this could be
> the problem. I did reconnect it though. I'm really stumped would it
> just be either to hard wire it from say the battery with an inline fuse
> on the hot side, and running it to all the parking lights, and connect
> it to a toggle, but then I would have to figure out a way to light the
> interior this is driving me insane, does anyone have any waring harness
> diagrams and locations and such I have a lights diagram but it sure is
> not very helpful.
>
> Dave
>
Did you change ANY of the connections on these two sets of wires?
What did you "reconnect"?
"Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143851387.217511.118920@g10g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Even with the radio out it still pops a fuse the radio is an
> aftermarket one that doesn't use the same harness. I noticed that there
> are 2 harness one was cut off with new wires to go to the radio and the
> other one is just dangling there it does not go into the radio, that
> harness had the black ground wire snapped, but I doubt this could be
> the problem. I did reconnect it though. I'm really stumped would it
> just be either to hard wire it from say the battery with an inline fuse
> on the hot side, and running it to all the parking lights, and connect
> it to a toggle, but then I would have to figure out a way to light the
> interior this is driving me insane, does anyone have any waring harness
> diagrams and locations and such I have a lights diagram but it sure is
> not very helpful.
>
> Dave
>
03-31-2006, 07:52 PM
#39
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 86 Cherokee. Need desperate electrical help!!!! plz
Dave,
Did you change ANY of the connections on these two sets of wires?
What did you "reconnect"?
"Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143851387.217511.118920@g10g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Even with the radio out it still pops a fuse the radio is an
> aftermarket one that doesn't use the same harness. I noticed that there
> are 2 harness one was cut off with new wires to go to the radio and the
> other one is just dangling there it does not go into the radio, that
> harness had the black ground wire snapped, but I doubt this could be
> the problem. I did reconnect it though. I'm really stumped would it
> just be either to hard wire it from say the battery with an inline fuse
> on the hot side, and running it to all the parking lights, and connect
> it to a toggle, but then I would have to figure out a way to light the
> interior this is driving me insane, does anyone have any waring harness
> diagrams and locations and such I have a lights diagram but it sure is
> not very helpful.
>
> Dave
>
Did you change ANY of the connections on these two sets of wires?
What did you "reconnect"?
"Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143851387.217511.118920@g10g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Even with the radio out it still pops a fuse the radio is an
> aftermarket one that doesn't use the same harness. I noticed that there
> are 2 harness one was cut off with new wires to go to the radio and the
> other one is just dangling there it does not go into the radio, that
> harness had the black ground wire snapped, but I doubt this could be
> the problem. I did reconnect it though. I'm really stumped would it
> just be either to hard wire it from say the battery with an inline fuse
> on the hot side, and running it to all the parking lights, and connect
> it to a toggle, but then I would have to figure out a way to light the
> interior this is driving me insane, does anyone have any waring harness
> diagrams and locations and such I have a lights diagram but it sure is
> not very helpful.
>
> Dave
>
03-31-2006, 07:52 PM
#40
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 86 Cherokee. Need desperate electrical help!!!! plz
Dave,
Did you change ANY of the connections on these two sets of wires?
What did you "reconnect"?
"Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143851387.217511.118920@g10g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Even with the radio out it still pops a fuse the radio is an
> aftermarket one that doesn't use the same harness. I noticed that there
> are 2 harness one was cut off with new wires to go to the radio and the
> other one is just dangling there it does not go into the radio, that
> harness had the black ground wire snapped, but I doubt this could be
> the problem. I did reconnect it though. I'm really stumped would it
> just be either to hard wire it from say the battery with an inline fuse
> on the hot side, and running it to all the parking lights, and connect
> it to a toggle, but then I would have to figure out a way to light the
> interior this is driving me insane, does anyone have any waring harness
> diagrams and locations and such I have a lights diagram but it sure is
> not very helpful.
>
> Dave
>
Did you change ANY of the connections on these two sets of wires?
What did you "reconnect"?
"Dave G" <davidgibbons81@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143851387.217511.118920@g10g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Even with the radio out it still pops a fuse the radio is an
> aftermarket one that doesn't use the same harness. I noticed that there
> are 2 harness one was cut off with new wires to go to the radio and the
> other one is just dangling there it does not go into the radio, that
> harness had the black ground wire snapped, but I doubt this could be
> the problem. I did reconnect it though. I'm really stumped would it
> just be either to hard wire it from say the battery with an inline fuse
> on the hot side, and running it to all the parking lights, and connect
> it to a toggle, but then I would have to figure out a way to light the
> interior this is driving me insane, does anyone have any waring harness
> diagrams and locations and such I have a lights diagram but it sure is
> not very helpful.
>
> Dave
>
