Re: 6 cyl. YJ or 4 cyl. TJ?????????
 

Uh, yeah Joshie. I'm going to continue your moronic "diatribe". Uh huh.
Good luck on the trails, Gomer. Twit.

Joshua Nelson wrote:

>>AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!
>
>
> Another quality, mature response from twaldron.
>
>
>>>1) CJs are easier to work on and modify than YJs, YJs are easier to
>>>work on and modify than TJs. (Putting anything larger than 35s on a
>>>TJ is a real nightmare of a project!)
>>
>>Not one fiber of truth in that whole statement.
>>
>
>
> Yes, it's actually 100% true.
>
>
>>>2) Older vehicles are emissions exempt
>>
>>..and this has to do with offroading HOW??????
>
>
>
> Cheaper to inspect license, easier to maintain & lower vehicle weight
> due to no need to keep all emissions equipment, and about a dozen
> other reasons, take your pick.
>
>
>
>>
>>>3) The older the jeep, the lower the resale value, which is nice for
>>>a trail rig that is going to see a lot of use and abuse. Most people
>>>I see in factory fresh TJs, unless they are rich, are too concerned
>>>about scratching their paint to follow where the well-worn CJs can go.
>>>
>>>4) Older vehicles have some nice options available that are no longer
>>>made, such as 8-cyl engines
>>
>>V8s are NOT a huge improvement over the I6 offroad, sorry.
>
>
> Of couse they are.... please defend your ridiculous assertion. You
> can start by explaining why so many folks on this newsgroup have
> upgraded to 8-cylinders or why it is such a popular/sought after mod
> if it is no better than an I6. I am sure we would all love to be
> enlightened by your expertise in this area, and we will all feel quite
> silly for getting 8s when we should have checked with you first and
> got a 6. (Would a 4-cylinder be even better, in your humble opinion?)
>
>
>
>>New paint??
>>Oh, come on!
>>
>
>
> YOU come on. That's just common sense and everyone knows it. When
> you see someone with those magnetic armor things, or avoiding trails
> because of risk of body damage or paint scratches, 99% of the time it
> is a late model rig.
>
>
>
>>>5) Newer vehicles are loaded up with highway safety crap that is at
>>>best marginal off-road, at worst a major hindrance. To name a few:
>>>Airbags, ABS, IFS.
>>
>
>>Um, sorry. No CJ, YJ nor TJ has ever had IFS. IFS can ONLY be found on
>>the Liberty which is not necessarily an "offroad" vehicle. At any rate,
>>it's not the subject of the thread. ABS is an option and airbags only go
>>off at higher speeds than are found offroad.
>
>
> Ahem. Libertys are jeeps. My original post referred to the entire
> line of jeeps, old to new. It seems you are so eager to pick a fight
> that you're not even reading the actual messages before you leap into
> a childish diatribe. Stop it, you're embarassing yourself.
>
>
>>I suggest you go back to the Crayola box and leave mommie's computer alone.
>>
>
>
> Again, another mature and productive statement which enhances the
> quality of this newsgroup...

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

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Re: 6 cyl. YJ or 4 cyl. TJ?????????
 

Uh, yeah Joshie. I'm going to continue your moronic "diatribe". Uh huh.
Good luck on the trails, Gomer. Twit.

Joshua Nelson wrote:

>>AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!
>
>
> Another quality, mature response from twaldron.
>
>
>>>1) CJs are easier to work on and modify than YJs, YJs are easier to
>>>work on and modify than TJs. (Putting anything larger than 35s on a
>>>TJ is a real nightmare of a project!)
>>
>>Not one fiber of truth in that whole statement.
>>
>
>
> Yes, it's actually 100% true.
>
>
>>>2) Older vehicles are emissions exempt
>>
>>..and this has to do with offroading HOW??????
>
>
>
> Cheaper to inspect license, easier to maintain & lower vehicle weight
> due to no need to keep all emissions equipment, and about a dozen
> other reasons, take your pick.
>
>
>
>>
>>>3) The older the jeep, the lower the resale value, which is nice for
>>>a trail rig that is going to see a lot of use and abuse. Most people
>>>I see in factory fresh TJs, unless they are rich, are too concerned
>>>about scratching their paint to follow where the well-worn CJs can go.
>>>
>>>4) Older vehicles have some nice options available that are no longer
>>>made, such as 8-cyl engines
>>
>>V8s are NOT a huge improvement over the I6 offroad, sorry.
>
>
> Of couse they are.... please defend your ridiculous assertion. You
> can start by explaining why so many folks on this newsgroup have
> upgraded to 8-cylinders or why it is such a popular/sought after mod
> if it is no better than an I6. I am sure we would all love to be
> enlightened by your expertise in this area, and we will all feel quite
> silly for getting 8s when we should have checked with you first and
> got a 6. (Would a 4-cylinder be even better, in your humble opinion?)
>
>
>
>>New paint??
>>Oh, come on!
>>
>
>
> YOU come on. That's just common sense and everyone knows it. When
> you see someone with those magnetic armor things, or avoiding trails
> because of risk of body damage or paint scratches, 99% of the time it
> is a late model rig.
>
>
>
>>>5) Newer vehicles are loaded up with highway safety crap that is at
>>>best marginal off-road, at worst a major hindrance. To name a few:
>>>Airbags, ABS, IFS.
>>
>
>>Um, sorry. No CJ, YJ nor TJ has ever had IFS. IFS can ONLY be found on
>>the Liberty which is not necessarily an "offroad" vehicle. At any rate,
>>it's not the subject of the thread. ABS is an option and airbags only go
>>off at higher speeds than are found offroad.
>
>
> Ahem. Libertys are jeeps. My original post referred to the entire
> line of jeeps, old to new. It seems you are so eager to pick a fight
> that you're not even reading the actual messages before you leap into
> a childish diatribe. Stop it, you're embarassing yourself.
>
>
>>I suggest you go back to the Crayola box and leave mommie's computer alone.
>>
>
>
> Again, another mature and productive statement which enhances the
> quality of this newsgroup...

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
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Re: 6 cyl. YJ or 4 cyl. TJ?????????
 

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:43:45 -0700, "Jeff Strickland"
<beerman@yahoo.com> shared the following:

>Why would you want a 150hp V8 that weighs something like 300 lbs, when you
>can have a 147 hp that weighs in at half that?

Not that I want to do it anytime soon, but I'm sure the V8 would be
easier to tweak for more power than an I6. Let's not start the
"substitute for cubic inches" battle again, please. Also, the V8 has
a "sound" to its exhaust that a 6 will never be able to match.

> I just do not get your
>infatuation with the big old V8 motors used in a Jeep, the newer, lighter,
>and smaller motors today produce more power, and the torque is just off of
>idle where you want it for offroading, instead of half way up the RPM scale
>where you seldom venture into.
>
>Don't get me wrong, there are great places to have a V8 motor, but Real
>Jeeps don't need one.

I'm sure not everyone shares that opinion or the swaps to V8s wouldn't
be so common.

> Put a V8 in my Mustang or Camaro where I can open it
>up and use the power, but get the damn thing out of my Jeep where all I want
>is to crawl over rocks about the sixe of my Mustang of Camaro. Now that I
>have said that, the 5.9L V8 from a Durango sounds kinda cool in a TJ ...

You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. ;-)



--
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The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
:wq!

Re: 6 cyl. YJ or 4 cyl. TJ?????????
 

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:43:45 -0700, "Jeff Strickland"
<beerman@yahoo.com> shared the following:

>Why would you want a 150hp V8 that weighs something like 300 lbs, when you
>can have a 147 hp that weighs in at half that?

Not that I want to do it anytime soon, but I'm sure the V8 would be
easier to tweak for more power than an I6. Let's not start the
"substitute for cubic inches" battle again, please. Also, the V8 has
a "sound" to its exhaust that a 6 will never be able to match.

> I just do not get your
>infatuation with the big old V8 motors used in a Jeep, the newer, lighter,
>and smaller motors today produce more power, and the torque is just off of
>idle where you want it for offroading, instead of half way up the RPM scale
>where you seldom venture into.
>
>Don't get me wrong, there are great places to have a V8 motor, but Real
>Jeeps don't need one.

I'm sure not everyone shares that opinion or the swaps to V8s wouldn't
be so common.

> Put a V8 in my Mustang or Camaro where I can open it
>up and use the power, but get the damn thing out of my Jeep where all I want
>is to crawl over rocks about the sixe of my Mustang of Camaro. Now that I
>have said that, the 5.9L V8 from a Durango sounds kinda cool in a TJ ...

You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. ;-)



--
Travis
http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
:wq!

Re: 6 cyl. YJ or 4 cyl. TJ?????????
 

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:43:45 -0700, "Jeff Strickland"
<beerman@yahoo.com> shared the following:

>Why would you want a 150hp V8 that weighs something like 300 lbs, when you
>can have a 147 hp that weighs in at half that?

Not that I want to do it anytime soon, but I'm sure the V8 would be
easier to tweak for more power than an I6. Let's not start the
"substitute for cubic inches" battle again, please. Also, the V8 has
a "sound" to its exhaust that a 6 will never be able to match.

> I just do not get your
>infatuation with the big old V8 motors used in a Jeep, the newer, lighter,
>and smaller motors today produce more power, and the torque is just off of
>idle where you want it for offroading, instead of half way up the RPM scale
>where you seldom venture into.
>
>Don't get me wrong, there are great places to have a V8 motor, but Real
>Jeeps don't need one.

I'm sure not everyone shares that opinion or the swaps to V8s wouldn't
be so common.

> Put a V8 in my Mustang or Camaro where I can open it
>up and use the power, but get the damn thing out of my Jeep where all I want
>is to crawl over rocks about the sixe of my Mustang of Camaro. Now that I
>have said that, the 5.9L V8 from a Durango sounds kinda cool in a TJ ...

You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. ;-)



--
Travis
http://jeepadventures.dyndns.org/jeep.html
The meek shall inherit the earth. After I'm finished with it.
:wq!

Re: Military Jeeps...(was 6 cyl. YJ or 4 cyl. TJ?????????)
 

LOL!!

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:

> I want one of those Harley-Davidsons.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> twaldron wrote:
>
>>The crated Jeeps, or "Jeeps in a barrel" for "as low as $50" is an old
>>urban legend. I'd love to hear from one person who's purchased one. Now,
>>if you're talking about a legitimate military auction where surplus is
>>sold, your friend is not intimating that whole actual SWB Jeeps are
>>still available is he? Do tell.
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>03 TJ Rubicon
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

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Re: Military Jeeps...(was 6 cyl. YJ or 4 cyl. TJ?????????)
 

LOL!!

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:

> I want one of those Harley-Davidsons.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> twaldron wrote:
>
>>The crated Jeeps, or "Jeeps in a barrel" for "as low as $50" is an old
>>urban legend. I'd love to hear from one person who's purchased one. Now,
>>if you're talking about a legitimate military auction where surplus is
>>sold, your friend is not intimating that whole actual SWB Jeeps are
>>still available is he? Do tell.
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>03 TJ Rubicon
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________

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__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

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Re: Military Jeeps...(was 6 cyl. YJ or 4 cyl. TJ?????????)
 

LOL!!

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:

> I want one of those Harley-Davidsons.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> twaldron wrote:
>
>>The crated Jeeps, or "Jeeps in a barrel" for "as low as $50" is an old
>>urban legend. I'd love to hear from one person who's purchased one. Now,
>>if you're talking about a legitimate military auction where surplus is
>>sold, your friend is not intimating that whole actual SWB Jeeps are
>>still available is he? Do tell.
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>03 TJ Rubicon
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

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__________________________________________________ _________

Re: 6 cyl. YJ or 4 cyl. TJ?????????
 

No the Sergeant just lifted it, to give the officers his estimate
of the prototype's weight, then testify it was under twelve hundred
pounds. I think Olympic champions still can only clean and jerk about
the weight of a Harley Davidson.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> What, he lifted it over his head?
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Re: 6 cyl. YJ or 4 cyl. TJ?????????
 

No the Sergeant just lifted it, to give the officers his estimate
of the prototype's weight, then testify it was under twelve hundred
pounds. I think Olympic champions still can only clean and jerk about
the weight of a Harley Davidson.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> What, he lifted it over his head?
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html