Re: 6 cyl. YJ or 4 cyl. TJ?????????
 

> AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!

Another quality, mature response from twaldron.

> > 1) CJs are easier to work on and modify than YJs, YJs are easier to
> > work on and modify than TJs. (Putting anything larger than 35s on a
> > TJ is a real nightmare of a project!)
>
> Not one fiber of truth in that whole statement.
>

Yes, it's actually 100% true.

>
> > 2) Older vehicles are emissions exempt
>
> ..and this has to do with offroading HOW??????


Cheaper to inspect license, easier to maintain & lower vehicle weight
due to no need to keep all emissions equipment, and about a dozen
other reasons, take your pick.


>
>
> > 3) The older the jeep, the lower the resale value, which is nice for
> > a trail rig that is going to see a lot of use and abuse. Most people
> > I see in factory fresh TJs, unless they are rich, are too concerned
> > about scratching their paint to follow where the well-worn CJs can go.
> >
> > 4) Older vehicles have some nice options available that are no longer
> > made, such as 8-cyl engines
>
> V8s are NOT a huge improvement over the I6 offroad, sorry.

Of couse they are.... please defend your ridiculous assertion. You
can start by explaining why so many folks on this newsgroup have
upgraded to 8-cylinders or why it is such a popular/sought after mod
if it is no better than an I6. I am sure we would all love to be
enlightened by your expertise in this area, and we will all feel quite
silly for getting 8s when we should have checked with you first and
got a 6. (Would a 4-cylinder be even better, in your humble opinion?)


> New paint??
> Oh, come on!
>

YOU come on. That's just common sense and everyone knows it. When
you see someone with those magnetic armor things, or avoiding trails
because of risk of body damage or paint scratches, 99% of the time it
is a late model rig.


> >
> > 5) Newer vehicles are loaded up with highway safety crap that is at
> > best marginal off-road, at worst a major hindrance. To name a few:
> > Airbags, ABS, IFS.
>

> Um, sorry. No CJ, YJ nor TJ has ever had IFS. IFS can ONLY be found on
> the Liberty which is not necessarily an "offroad" vehicle. At any rate,
> it's not the subject of the thread. ABS is an option and airbags only go
> off at higher speeds than are found offroad.

Ahem. Libertys are jeeps. My original post referred to the entire
line of jeeps, old to new. It seems you are so eager to pick a fight
that you're not even reading the actual messages before you leap into
a childish diatribe. Stop it, you're embarassing yourself.

>
> I suggest you go back to the Crayola box and leave mommie's computer alone.
>

Again, another mature and productive statement which enhances the
quality of this newsgroup...

Re: 6 cyl. YJ or 4 cyl. TJ?????????
 

> AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!

Another quality, mature response from twaldron.

> > 1) CJs are easier to work on and modify than YJs, YJs are easier to
> > work on and modify than TJs. (Putting anything larger than 35s on a
> > TJ is a real nightmare of a project!)
>
> Not one fiber of truth in that whole statement.
>

Yes, it's actually 100% true.

>
> > 2) Older vehicles are emissions exempt
>
> ..and this has to do with offroading HOW??????


Cheaper to inspect license, easier to maintain & lower vehicle weight
due to no need to keep all emissions equipment, and about a dozen
other reasons, take your pick.


>
>
> > 3) The older the jeep, the lower the resale value, which is nice for
> > a trail rig that is going to see a lot of use and abuse. Most people
> > I see in factory fresh TJs, unless they are rich, are too concerned
> > about scratching their paint to follow where the well-worn CJs can go.
> >
> > 4) Older vehicles have some nice options available that are no longer
> > made, such as 8-cyl engines
>
> V8s are NOT a huge improvement over the I6 offroad, sorry.

Of couse they are.... please defend your ridiculous assertion. You
can start by explaining why so many folks on this newsgroup have
upgraded to 8-cylinders or why it is such a popular/sought after mod
if it is no better than an I6. I am sure we would all love to be
enlightened by your expertise in this area, and we will all feel quite
silly for getting 8s when we should have checked with you first and
got a 6. (Would a 4-cylinder be even better, in your humble opinion?)


> New paint??
> Oh, come on!
>

YOU come on. That's just common sense and everyone knows it. When
you see someone with those magnetic armor things, or avoiding trails
because of risk of body damage or paint scratches, 99% of the time it
is a late model rig.


> >
> > 5) Newer vehicles are loaded up with highway safety crap that is at
> > best marginal off-road, at worst a major hindrance. To name a few:
> > Airbags, ABS, IFS.
>

> Um, sorry. No CJ, YJ nor TJ has ever had IFS. IFS can ONLY be found on
> the Liberty which is not necessarily an "offroad" vehicle. At any rate,
> it's not the subject of the thread. ABS is an option and airbags only go
> off at higher speeds than are found offroad.

Ahem. Libertys are jeeps. My original post referred to the entire
line of jeeps, old to new. It seems you are so eager to pick a fight
that you're not even reading the actual messages before you leap into
a childish diatribe. Stop it, you're embarassing yourself.

>
> I suggest you go back to the Crayola box and leave mommie's computer alone.
>

Again, another mature and productive statement which enhances the
quality of this newsgroup...

Re: 6 cyl. YJ or 4 cyl. TJ?????????
 

> AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!

Another quality, mature response from twaldron.

> > 1) CJs are easier to work on and modify than YJs, YJs are easier to
> > work on and modify than TJs. (Putting anything larger than 35s on a
> > TJ is a real nightmare of a project!)
>
> Not one fiber of truth in that whole statement.
>

Yes, it's actually 100% true.

>
> > 2) Older vehicles are emissions exempt
>
> ..and this has to do with offroading HOW??????


Cheaper to inspect license, easier to maintain & lower vehicle weight
due to no need to keep all emissions equipment, and about a dozen
other reasons, take your pick.


>
>
> > 3) The older the jeep, the lower the resale value, which is nice for
> > a trail rig that is going to see a lot of use and abuse. Most people
> > I see in factory fresh TJs, unless they are rich, are too concerned
> > about scratching their paint to follow where the well-worn CJs can go.
> >
> > 4) Older vehicles have some nice options available that are no longer
> > made, such as 8-cyl engines
>
> V8s are NOT a huge improvement over the I6 offroad, sorry.

Of couse they are.... please defend your ridiculous assertion. You
can start by explaining why so many folks on this newsgroup have
upgraded to 8-cylinders or why it is such a popular/sought after mod
if it is no better than an I6. I am sure we would all love to be
enlightened by your expertise in this area, and we will all feel quite
silly for getting 8s when we should have checked with you first and
got a 6. (Would a 4-cylinder be even better, in your humble opinion?)


> New paint??
> Oh, come on!
>

YOU come on. That's just common sense and everyone knows it. When
you see someone with those magnetic armor things, or avoiding trails
because of risk of body damage or paint scratches, 99% of the time it
is a late model rig.


> >
> > 5) Newer vehicles are loaded up with highway safety crap that is at
> > best marginal off-road, at worst a major hindrance. To name a few:
> > Airbags, ABS, IFS.
>

> Um, sorry. No CJ, YJ nor TJ has ever had IFS. IFS can ONLY be found on
> the Liberty which is not necessarily an "offroad" vehicle. At any rate,
> it's not the subject of the thread. ABS is an option and airbags only go
> off at higher speeds than are found offroad.

Ahem. Libertys are jeeps. My original post referred to the entire
line of jeeps, old to new. It seems you are so eager to pick a fight
that you're not even reading the actual messages before you leap into
a childish diatribe. Stop it, you're embarassing yourself.

>
> I suggest you go back to the Crayola box and leave mommie's computer alone.
>

Again, another mature and productive statement which enhances the
quality of this newsgroup...

Re: Military Jeeps...(was 6 cyl. YJ or 4 cyl. TJ?????????)
 

I want one of those Harley-Davidsons.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

twaldron wrote:
>
> The crated Jeeps, or "Jeeps in a barrel" for "as low as $50" is an old
> urban legend. I'd love to hear from one person who's purchased one. Now,
> if you're talking about a legitimate military auction where surplus is
> sold, your friend is not intimating that whole actual SWB Jeeps are
> still available is he? Do tell.
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________

Re: Military Jeeps...(was 6 cyl. YJ or 4 cyl. TJ?????????)
 

I want one of those Harley-Davidsons.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

twaldron wrote:
>
> The crated Jeeps, or "Jeeps in a barrel" for "as low as $50" is an old
> urban legend. I'd love to hear from one person who's purchased one. Now,
> if you're talking about a legitimate military auction where surplus is
> sold, your friend is not intimating that whole actual SWB Jeeps are
> still available is he? Do tell.
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________

Re: Military Jeeps...(was 6 cyl. YJ or 4 cyl. TJ?????????)
 

I want one of those Harley-Davidsons.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

twaldron wrote:
>
> The crated Jeeps, or "Jeeps in a barrel" for "as low as $50" is an old
> urban legend. I'd love to hear from one person who's purchased one. Now,
> if you're talking about a legitimate military auction where surplus is
> sold, your friend is not intimating that whole actual SWB Jeeps are
> still available is he? Do tell.
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________

Re: 6 cyl. YJ or 4 cyl. TJ?????????
 

In article <b102b6e4.0310160610.1c931a23@posting.google.com >, spam_box@ev1.net
(Joshua Nelson) writes:

>1) CJs are easier to work on and modify than YJs, YJs are easier to
>work on and modify than TJs. (Putting anything larger than 35s on a
>TJ is a real nightmare of a project!)
>
Oh? How do you know? Didn't you buy your "CJ" already set up for trails? So how
do you know if it's "easier" to modify? Have you put 35's on your TJ? What if
you don't want to modify it, after all you were talking about stock, unmodified
vehicles.

>2) Older vehicles are emissions exempt

And this has to do with off-roading in what way?
>
>3) The older the jeep, the lower the resale value, which is nice for
>a trail rig that is going to see a lot of use and abuse. Most people
>I see in factory fresh TJs, unless they are rich, are too concerned
>about scratching their paint to follow where the well-worn CJs can go.

That's up to the individual, isn't it, not you? I guess you weren't too
concerned about scratching your TJ when you couldn't get it unstuck with your
ATV winch. Are you still grounded?

>
>4) Older vehicles have some nice options available that are no longer
>made, such as 8-cyl engines

Again, what does that have to do with off-roading? Why is an older, carbeurated
V8 "better" than the modern 4.0L I-6
>
>5) Newer vehicles are loaded up with highway safety crap that is at
>best marginal off-road, at worst a major hindrance. To name a few:
>Airbags, ABS, IFS.

1. Have you heard of any instance where an airbag has gone off inadvertantly
when off-roading? I though not.

2. ABS is an option and it is easily defeatable, not a "major hindrance."

3. Which TJ model has IFS?

Where do you come up with this dreck? You been dipping into Bill's Vicodin?
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Re: 6 cyl. YJ or 4 cyl. TJ?????????
 

In article <b102b6e4.0310160610.1c931a23@posting.google.com >, spam_box@ev1.net
(Joshua Nelson) writes:

>1) CJs are easier to work on and modify than YJs, YJs are easier to
>work on and modify than TJs. (Putting anything larger than 35s on a
>TJ is a real nightmare of a project!)
>
Oh? How do you know? Didn't you buy your "CJ" already set up for trails? So how
do you know if it's "easier" to modify? Have you put 35's on your TJ? What if
you don't want to modify it, after all you were talking about stock, unmodified
vehicles.

>2) Older vehicles are emissions exempt

And this has to do with off-roading in what way?
>
>3) The older the jeep, the lower the resale value, which is nice for
>a trail rig that is going to see a lot of use and abuse. Most people
>I see in factory fresh TJs, unless they are rich, are too concerned
>about scratching their paint to follow where the well-worn CJs can go.

That's up to the individual, isn't it, not you? I guess you weren't too
concerned about scratching your TJ when you couldn't get it unstuck with your
ATV winch. Are you still grounded?

>
>4) Older vehicles have some nice options available that are no longer
>made, such as 8-cyl engines

Again, what does that have to do with off-roading? Why is an older, carbeurated
V8 "better" than the modern 4.0L I-6
>
>5) Newer vehicles are loaded up with highway safety crap that is at
>best marginal off-road, at worst a major hindrance. To name a few:
>Airbags, ABS, IFS.

1. Have you heard of any instance where an airbag has gone off inadvertantly
when off-roading? I though not.

2. ABS is an option and it is easily defeatable, not a "major hindrance."

3. Which TJ model has IFS?

Where do you come up with this dreck? You been dipping into Bill's Vicodin?
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Re: 6 cyl. YJ or 4 cyl. TJ?????????
 

In article <b102b6e4.0310160610.1c931a23@posting.google.com >, spam_box@ev1.net
(Joshua Nelson) writes:

>1) CJs are easier to work on and modify than YJs, YJs are easier to
>work on and modify than TJs. (Putting anything larger than 35s on a
>TJ is a real nightmare of a project!)
>
Oh? How do you know? Didn't you buy your "CJ" already set up for trails? So how
do you know if it's "easier" to modify? Have you put 35's on your TJ? What if
you don't want to modify it, after all you were talking about stock, unmodified
vehicles.

>2) Older vehicles are emissions exempt

And this has to do with off-roading in what way?
>
>3) The older the jeep, the lower the resale value, which is nice for
>a trail rig that is going to see a lot of use and abuse. Most people
>I see in factory fresh TJs, unless they are rich, are too concerned
>about scratching their paint to follow where the well-worn CJs can go.

That's up to the individual, isn't it, not you? I guess you weren't too
concerned about scratching your TJ when you couldn't get it unstuck with your
ATV winch. Are you still grounded?

>
>4) Older vehicles have some nice options available that are no longer
>made, such as 8-cyl engines

Again, what does that have to do with off-roading? Why is an older, carbeurated
V8 "better" than the modern 4.0L I-6
>
>5) Newer vehicles are loaded up with highway safety crap that is at
>best marginal off-road, at worst a major hindrance. To name a few:
>Airbags, ABS, IFS.

1. Have you heard of any instance where an airbag has gone off inadvertantly
when off-roading? I though not.

2. ABS is an option and it is easily defeatable, not a "major hindrance."

3. Which TJ model has IFS?

Where do you come up with this dreck? You been dipping into Bill's Vicodin?
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html

Re: 6 cyl. YJ or 4 cyl. TJ?????????
 

"Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:b102b6e4.0310160610.1c931a23@posting.google.c om...
> > > Generally, when talking about stock unmodified jeeps, the earlier the
> > > production year, the more suitable for off-roading.
> >
> > please explain.

> 1) CJs are easier to work on and modify than YJs

"easier" is relative, and "modify" is insignificant here since your original
argument is "stock unmodified jeeps". even still, you statement is
incorrect. there is no major difference in working/modifying either.


>YJs are easier to
> work on and modify than TJs.

i disagree. the tj has only gotten easier to work on over time (dropping
the distributor, dropping the cam position sensor, better components such as
the 3550, etc). i would much rather pull a code and replace a sensor than
attempt to diagnose a carter thats acting up.


> (Putting anything larger than 35s on a
> TJ is a real nightmare of a project!)

aside from being irrelevant (your statement was "stock unmodified jeeps") id
say putting tires larger than 35's on _any_ swb jeep is a large project.
todays long arm lifts have come a long way and i dare say i could install
one with equal time/tools/ease as doing an SOA + lift or SUA + lift on a
leaf sprung variant.

> 2) Older vehicles are emissions exempt

older as in pre 75, but what does that have to do with offroad capability?


> 3) The older the jeep, the lower the resale value, which is nice for
> a trail rig that is going to see a lot of use and abuse. Most people
> I see in factory fresh TJs, unless they are rich, are too concerned
> about scratching their paint to follow where the well-worn CJs can go.

but owner reluctance has nothing to do with offroad capability.


> 4) Older vehicles have some nice options available that are no longer
> made, such as 8-cyl engines

id love to have a v8 engine for that deep throaty growl coming over a set of
flowmasters......but that has absolutely nothing to do with offroad
capability.


> 5) Newer vehicles are loaded up with highway safety crap that is at
> best marginal off-road, at worst a major hindrance. To name a few:
> Airbags, ABS, IFS.

airbags arent a problem off road, abs is optional, and IFS isnt available
any tj yet (look at the subject line).

youre misguided here a bit joshua, and ive a feeling many others will tell
you the same thing only in harsher terms. what type of jeep do you own
anyway?


--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com