cactuscowboy

No surprise that Jeep is going with IFS in the Grand Cherokee. After all,
the vast majority of these vehicles will never leave the paved road. The
biggest reason that most people buy the Grand Cherokee instead of an
Explorer, Durango, or Trailblazer is styling. It's certainly not off road
capability. IMO, the Grand never was a 'real Jeep' due to its lack of a
manual transmission.


Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O

"Be Nice" <thanks@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:b9ldc.424426$jH.6395541@twister.tampabay.rr.c om...
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:3jkdc.197$fS6.82@okepread01...
> > Chad Fraker did pass the time by typing:
> > > I guess the thing that disappointed me was the IFS.
> > > http://tinyurl.com/373dn
> >
> > Mixed emotions on that.
> >
> > On one hand that means a less rugged front axle, but
> > on the other, no deathwobble.
> >
> > --
> > DougW
> >
> >
> >
> It is a shame.
> no more color coordinating the window buttons, they are all black now
> no more lights in the doors
> no more fold down rear neck rests, now you have to remove them
> call it a redesign and use the old wheels
> no more color coordinating the interior, steering wheel and shifter are
> different
> less gages in the dash
>
> I WILL NOT BUY (LEASE) a new one again
> If Jeep thinks they can get away this, good luck
> they lost my business for good
>
>

cactuscowboy

No surprise that Jeep is going with IFS in the Grand Cherokee. After all,
the vast majority of these vehicles will never leave the paved road. The
biggest reason that most people buy the Grand Cherokee instead of an
Explorer, Durango, or Trailblazer is styling. It's certainly not off road
capability. IMO, the Grand never was a 'real Jeep' due to its lack of a
manual transmission.


Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O

"Be Nice" <thanks@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:b9ldc.424426$jH.6395541@twister.tampabay.rr.c om...
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:3jkdc.197$fS6.82@okepread01...
> > Chad Fraker did pass the time by typing:
> > > I guess the thing that disappointed me was the IFS.
> > > http://tinyurl.com/373dn
> >
> > Mixed emotions on that.
> >
> > On one hand that means a less rugged front axle, but
> > on the other, no deathwobble.
> >
> > --
> > DougW
> >
> >
> >
> It is a shame.
> no more color coordinating the window buttons, they are all black now
> no more lights in the doors
> no more fold down rear neck rests, now you have to remove them
> call it a redesign and use the old wheels
> no more color coordinating the interior, steering wheel and shifter are
> different
> less gages in the dash
>
> I WILL NOT BUY (LEASE) a new one again
> If Jeep thinks they can get away this, good luck
> they lost my business for good
>
>

cactuscowboy

No surprise that Jeep is going with IFS in the Grand Cherokee. After all,
the vast majority of these vehicles will never leave the paved road. The
biggest reason that most people buy the Grand Cherokee instead of an
Explorer, Durango, or Trailblazer is styling. It's certainly not off road
capability. IMO, the Grand never was a 'real Jeep' due to its lack of a
manual transmission.


Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O

"Be Nice" <thanks@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:b9ldc.424426$jH.6395541@twister.tampabay.rr.c om...
>
> "DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
> news:3jkdc.197$fS6.82@okepread01...
> > Chad Fraker did pass the time by typing:
> > > I guess the thing that disappointed me was the IFS.
> > > http://tinyurl.com/373dn
> >
> > Mixed emotions on that.
> >
> > On one hand that means a less rugged front axle, but
> > on the other, no deathwobble.
> >
> > --
> > DougW
> >
> >
> >
> It is a shame.
> no more color coordinating the window buttons, they are all black now
> no more lights in the doors
> no more fold down rear neck rests, now you have to remove them
> call it a redesign and use the old wheels
> no more color coordinating the interior, steering wheel and shifter are
> different
> less gages in the dash
>
> I WILL NOT BUY (LEASE) a new one again
> If Jeep thinks they can get away this, good luck
> they lost my business for good
>
>

Mark12211

> IMO, the Grand never was a 'real Jeep' due to its lack of a
>manual transmission.

1993-1995 it was available with a 5 speed

Mark12211

> IMO, the Grand never was a 'real Jeep' due to its lack of a
>manual transmission.

1993-1995 it was available with a 5 speed

Mark12211

> IMO, the Grand never was a 'real Jeep' due to its lack of a
>manual transmission.

1993-1995 it was available with a 5 speed

Mark12211

> IMO, the Grand never was a 'real Jeep' due to its lack of a
>manual transmission.

1993-1995 it was available with a 5 speed

Chad Fraker

I guess the thing that disappointed me was the IFS.
http://tinyurl.com/373dn


"Be Nice" <thanks@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:WI1dc.433403$Po1.32738@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
> http://www.wkjeeps.com/wk_premiere.htm
>
> Pictures - site is slow as hell (modem, I guess)
>
> What a piece of crap.
> I have a 2001 Limited and hoped for some
> nicer and better updates, now this:
>
> Instrument cluster looks terrible
> no wooden inlays on steering wheel?
> shitty zebrano wood that nobody wanted in 1999 and 2000?
> (why try that garbage wood again?)
> seat adjuster still on the low side of the seat
> (where you can't get to it)
> old wheel design we already have
> (way to small)
> only ONE exhaust tip on the 5.7ltr.?
> (****-poor design)
> they don't even give it a HEMI badge?
> and again, black mirrors on a Limited?
> (does paint really cost that much?)
> black shifter with grey steering wheel?
> (fire the designers; better shoot them dead)
> no more wood on the doors?
> (you got to be kidding)
> yes, there are small storage areas in the dash
> (if you hit the gas, the stuff jumps right out)
> still no room for the right foot
> (on long trips your right leg starts hurting like hell)
> some chrome here but not there (inside and outside)
> (no consistency in the design)
> window chrome only at the bottom?
> (looks like an afterthought)
>
> Man, I am really pissed, now I have
> to find something else to buy in November!
> There's NO WAY that I will get this -- thing!!!
>
> I call this a facelift; a really bad one.
> Opinions, please...
>
>

Chad Fraker

I guess the thing that disappointed me was the IFS.
http://tinyurl.com/373dn


"Be Nice" <thanks@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:WI1dc.433403$Po1.32738@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
> http://www.wkjeeps.com/wk_premiere.htm
>
> Pictures - site is slow as hell (modem, I guess)
>
> What a piece of crap.
> I have a 2001 Limited and hoped for some
> nicer and better updates, now this:
>
> Instrument cluster looks terrible
> no wooden inlays on steering wheel?
> shitty zebrano wood that nobody wanted in 1999 and 2000?
> (why try that garbage wood again?)
> seat adjuster still on the low side of the seat
> (where you can't get to it)
> old wheel design we already have
> (way to small)
> only ONE exhaust tip on the 5.7ltr.?
> (****-poor design)
> they don't even give it a HEMI badge?
> and again, black mirrors on a Limited?
> (does paint really cost that much?)
> black shifter with grey steering wheel?
> (fire the designers; better shoot them dead)
> no more wood on the doors?
> (you got to be kidding)
> yes, there are small storage areas in the dash
> (if you hit the gas, the stuff jumps right out)
> still no room for the right foot
> (on long trips your right leg starts hurting like hell)
> some chrome here but not there (inside and outside)
> (no consistency in the design)
> window chrome only at the bottom?
> (looks like an afterthought)
>
> Man, I am really pissed, now I have
> to find something else to buy in November!
> There's NO WAY that I will get this -- thing!!!
>
> I call this a facelift; a really bad one.
> Opinions, please...
>
>

Chad Fraker

I guess the thing that disappointed me was the IFS.
http://tinyurl.com/373dn


"Be Nice" <thanks@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:WI1dc.433403$Po1.32738@twister.tampabay.rr.co m...
> http://www.wkjeeps.com/wk_premiere.htm
>
> Pictures - site is slow as hell (modem, I guess)
>
> What a piece of crap.
> I have a 2001 Limited and hoped for some
> nicer and better updates, now this:
>
> Instrument cluster looks terrible
> no wooden inlays on steering wheel?
> shitty zebrano wood that nobody wanted in 1999 and 2000?
> (why try that garbage wood again?)
> seat adjuster still on the low side of the seat
> (where you can't get to it)
> old wheel design we already have
> (way to small)
> only ONE exhaust tip on the 5.7ltr.?
> (****-poor design)
> they don't even give it a HEMI badge?
> and again, black mirrors on a Limited?
> (does paint really cost that much?)
> black shifter with grey steering wheel?
> (fire the designers; better shoot them dead)
> no more wood on the doors?
> (you got to be kidding)
> yes, there are small storage areas in the dash
> (if you hit the gas, the stuff jumps right out)
> still no room for the right foot
> (on long trips your right leg starts hurting like hell)
> some chrome here but not there (inside and outside)
> (no consistency in the design)
> window chrome only at the bottom?
> (looks like an afterthought)
>
> Man, I am really pissed, now I have
> to find something else to buy in November!
> There's NO WAY that I will get this -- thing!!!
>
> I call this a facelift; a really bad one.
> Opinions, please...
>
>