jeff

Lease vehicles do not carry the warrantee. Buying a 2 year old Jeep from
DC is "as is", as I found out when I bought my Cherokee.

--
jeff

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Don't tell us, tell DaimlerChrysler. Don't you have the bumper to
> bumper seven year, seventy thousand mile warrantee?

jeff

Lease vehicles do not carry the warrantee. Buying a 2 year old Jeep from
DC is "as is", as I found out when I bought my Cherokee.

--
jeff

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Don't tell us, tell DaimlerChrysler. Don't you have the bumper to
> bumper seven year, seventy thousand mile warrantee?

Lee Ayrton

What you own is a station wagon from the bottom of the luxury range, not
a utility vehicle designed to be routinely driven on non-paved surfaces
-- even though it is marketed that way in a macho, `one day I'll be rich
enough to have time to drive to the top of some rocky wilderness spire'
masturbatory way. While in some alternate universe it is possible that
AMC remained an independent manufacturer and followed the herd down the
same path anyway, the blame in _this_ universe falls squarely in D-C's
lap. In the mid-1990s they did market research that told them that in a
household with a two-car garage that owned a Cherokee, the other car in
the garage was a luxury sedan. Corporate brains clicked over in
blinkered, maximized-profit lock-step: Ah ha! The secret to selling
more Cherokees at higher profit is to make it a _Luxury_ model! That's
what the great unwas^W^W Buying Public wants! This, of course,
completely ignores the reason that the companion to the luxury sedan in
the garage was a Cherokee.

There's nothing new in that sort of Detroit hivemind thinking,
disconnected from the outside world: Brock Yates was saying the same
thing about Detroit in 1983 in his book _The Decline And Fall Of The
American Automobile Industry_. That you are happier with your Hyundai
is perfectly in keeping with the theme of his book, with Toyota taking
the Hyundai (and soon, the rapidly-expanding Chinese auto makers) role
of making better cars that suit the prevailing economic climate.

But to be fair, D-C didn't start sissification of Jeeps:

"There seems to be no end to [the manufacturer's] efforts to
civilize the Jeep. For years now, Jeeps have gravitated from their
original no-nonsense, utilitarian origins toward comfort and refinement.
But what's the point? Hard-core Jeep people don't need any coddling
from their mechanical mules, and non-Jeep types will hardly be won over
by cut-pile carpet, leather steering wheels and interior-decor groups."

The above was about American Motors, in a _Car and Driver_ review from
1982.



amej@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> What is going on with Chrysler selling Jeeps?
>
> I own a 2004 4wd Jeep Grand Cherokee, Limited Edition.
>
> Last night my engine warning light came on (47,056 mi.). I took the Jeep
> into my dealer, Don-A-Vee, Placentia, CA
> to have it repaired. The problem was a faulty Evaporative Pump and the
> repairs are covered by California Emissions
> Warranty. However, the charcoal canister is not and will cost $316 to
> replace.
>
> I was warned that the reason for the failure and need to replace the
> canister was caused by mud collecting in the
> wheel well area. This is where Jeep placed the units. Pray tell, why design
> a vehicle for off-road use and place
> a critical item in the way? BTW, my "off-road" driving is in the High Desert
> of California, on SB Co. roads. No
> boon *******, or such, just driving to and from my home.
>
> I have found this series of Jeep to be a high maintenance item, from routine
> service to parts. I warn anyone
> wanting a JGC, to check out the running costs vs. other manufacturers. I
> just bought my wife a 2005 4wd Hyundai
> Tucson and maintenance costs are extremely lower.
>
> ----.

Lee Ayrton

What you own is a station wagon from the bottom of the luxury range, not
a utility vehicle designed to be routinely driven on non-paved surfaces
-- even though it is marketed that way in a macho, `one day I'll be rich
enough to have time to drive to the top of some rocky wilderness spire'
masturbatory way. While in some alternate universe it is possible that
AMC remained an independent manufacturer and followed the herd down the
same path anyway, the blame in _this_ universe falls squarely in D-C's
lap. In the mid-1990s they did market research that told them that in a
household with a two-car garage that owned a Cherokee, the other car in
the garage was a luxury sedan. Corporate brains clicked over in
blinkered, maximized-profit lock-step: Ah ha! The secret to selling
more Cherokees at higher profit is to make it a _Luxury_ model! That's
what the great unwas^W^W Buying Public wants! This, of course,
completely ignores the reason that the companion to the luxury sedan in
the garage was a Cherokee.

There's nothing new in that sort of Detroit hivemind thinking,
disconnected from the outside world: Brock Yates was saying the same
thing about Detroit in 1983 in his book _The Decline And Fall Of The
American Automobile Industry_. That you are happier with your Hyundai
is perfectly in keeping with the theme of his book, with Toyota taking
the Hyundai (and soon, the rapidly-expanding Chinese auto makers) role
of making better cars that suit the prevailing economic climate.

But to be fair, D-C didn't start sissification of Jeeps:

"There seems to be no end to [the manufacturer's] efforts to
civilize the Jeep. For years now, Jeeps have gravitated from their
original no-nonsense, utilitarian origins toward comfort and refinement.
But what's the point? Hard-core Jeep people don't need any coddling
from their mechanical mules, and non-Jeep types will hardly be won over
by cut-pile carpet, leather steering wheels and interior-decor groups."

The above was about American Motors, in a _Car and Driver_ review from
1982.



amej@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> What is going on with Chrysler selling Jeeps?
>
> I own a 2004 4wd Jeep Grand Cherokee, Limited Edition.
>
> Last night my engine warning light came on (47,056 mi.). I took the Jeep
> into my dealer, Don-A-Vee, Placentia, CA
> to have it repaired. The problem was a faulty Evaporative Pump and the
> repairs are covered by California Emissions
> Warranty. However, the charcoal canister is not and will cost $316 to
> replace.
>
> I was warned that the reason for the failure and need to replace the
> canister was caused by mud collecting in the
> wheel well area. This is where Jeep placed the units. Pray tell, why design
> a vehicle for off-road use and place
> a critical item in the way? BTW, my "off-road" driving is in the High Desert
> of California, on SB Co. roads. No
> boon *******, or such, just driving to and from my home.
>
> I have found this series of Jeep to be a high maintenance item, from routine
> service to parts. I warn anyone
> wanting a JGC, to check out the running costs vs. other manufacturers. I
> just bought my wife a 2005 4wd Hyundai
> Tucson and maintenance costs are extremely lower.
>
> ----.

Lee Ayrton

What you own is a station wagon from the bottom of the luxury range, not
a utility vehicle designed to be routinely driven on non-paved surfaces
-- even though it is marketed that way in a macho, `one day I'll be rich
enough to have time to drive to the top of some rocky wilderness spire'
masturbatory way. While in some alternate universe it is possible that
AMC remained an independent manufacturer and followed the herd down the
same path anyway, the blame in _this_ universe falls squarely in D-C's
lap. In the mid-1990s they did market research that told them that in a
household with a two-car garage that owned a Cherokee, the other car in
the garage was a luxury sedan. Corporate brains clicked over in
blinkered, maximized-profit lock-step: Ah ha! The secret to selling
more Cherokees at higher profit is to make it a _Luxury_ model! That's
what the great unwas^W^W Buying Public wants! This, of course,
completely ignores the reason that the companion to the luxury sedan in
the garage was a Cherokee.

There's nothing new in that sort of Detroit hivemind thinking,
disconnected from the outside world: Brock Yates was saying the same
thing about Detroit in 1983 in his book _The Decline And Fall Of The
American Automobile Industry_. That you are happier with your Hyundai
is perfectly in keeping with the theme of his book, with Toyota taking
the Hyundai (and soon, the rapidly-expanding Chinese auto makers) role
of making better cars that suit the prevailing economic climate.

But to be fair, D-C didn't start sissification of Jeeps:

"There seems to be no end to [the manufacturer's] efforts to
civilize the Jeep. For years now, Jeeps have gravitated from their
original no-nonsense, utilitarian origins toward comfort and refinement.
But what's the point? Hard-core Jeep people don't need any coddling
from their mechanical mules, and non-Jeep types will hardly be won over
by cut-pile carpet, leather steering wheels and interior-decor groups."

The above was about American Motors, in a _Car and Driver_ review from
1982.



amej@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> What is going on with Chrysler selling Jeeps?
>
> I own a 2004 4wd Jeep Grand Cherokee, Limited Edition.
>
> Last night my engine warning light came on (47,056 mi.). I took the Jeep
> into my dealer, Don-A-Vee, Placentia, CA
> to have it repaired. The problem was a faulty Evaporative Pump and the
> repairs are covered by California Emissions
> Warranty. However, the charcoal canister is not and will cost $316 to
> replace.
>
> I was warned that the reason for the failure and need to replace the
> canister was caused by mud collecting in the
> wheel well area. This is where Jeep placed the units. Pray tell, why design
> a vehicle for off-road use and place
> a critical item in the way? BTW, my "off-road" driving is in the High Desert
> of California, on SB Co. roads. No
> boon *******, or such, just driving to and from my home.
>
> I have found this series of Jeep to be a high maintenance item, from routine
> service to parts. I warn anyone
> wanting a JGC, to check out the running costs vs. other manufacturers. I
> just bought my wife a 2005 4wd Hyundai
> Tucson and maintenance costs are extremely lower.
>
> ----.

billy ray

I am not sure I can agree with all your comments on the Grand Cherokees.

My '02 WJ (with Select-Trac) has been used several times for off-road
camping and has never let me down or left me stuck.

Of course.... I will admit I keep it cleaner and, perhaps, better maintained
than the typical WJ owner. I have been laughed at more than once for
washing it with lake water while 'on' camping trips.


"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:dqr1pi$soo$1@reader2.panix.com...
>
> What you own is a station wagon from the bottom of the luxury range, not a
> utility vehicle designed to be routinely driven on non-paved surfaces --
> even though it is marketed that way in a macho, `one day I'll be rich
> enough to have time to drive to the top of some rocky wilderness spire'
> masturbatory way. While in some alternate universe it is possible that
> AMC remained an independent manufacturer and followed the herd down the
> same path anyway, the blame in _this_ universe falls squarely in D-C's
> lap. In the mid-1990s they did market research that told them that in a
> household with a two-car garage that owned a Cherokee, the other car in
> the garage was a luxury sedan. Corporate brains clicked over in
> blinkered, maximized-profit lock-step: Ah ha! The secret to selling more
> Cherokees at higher profit is to make it a _Luxury_ model! That's what
> the great unwas^W^W Buying Public wants! This, of course, completely
> ignores the reason that the companion to the luxury sedan in the garage
> was a Cherokee.
>
> There's nothing new in that sort of Detroit hivemind thinking,
> disconnected from the outside world: Brock Yates was saying the same
> thing about Detroit in 1983 in his book _The Decline And Fall Of The
> American Automobile Industry_. That you are happier with your Hyundai is
> perfectly in keeping with the theme of his book, with Toyota taking the
> Hyundai (and soon, the rapidly-expanding Chinese auto makers) role of
> making better cars that suit the prevailing economic climate.
>
> But to be fair, D-C didn't start sissification of Jeeps:
>
> "There seems to be no end to [the manufacturer's] efforts to
> civilize the Jeep. For years now, Jeeps have gravitated from their
> original no-nonsense, utilitarian origins toward comfort and refinement.
> But what's the point? Hard-core Jeep people don't need any coddling from
> their mechanical mules, and non-Jeep types will hardly be won over by
> cut-pile carpet, leather steering wheels and interior-decor groups."
>
> The above was about American Motors, in a _Car and Driver_ review from
> 1982.
>
>
>
> amej@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>> What is going on with Chrysler selling Jeeps?
>>
>> I own a 2004 4wd Jeep Grand Cherokee, Limited Edition.
>>
>> Last night my engine warning light came on (47,056 mi.). I took the Jeep
>> into my dealer, Don-A-Vee, Placentia, CA
>> to have it repaired. The problem was a faulty Evaporative Pump and the
>> repairs are covered by California Emissions
>> Warranty. However, the charcoal canister is not and will cost $316 to
>> replace.
>>
>> I was warned that the reason for the failure and need to replace the
>> canister was caused by mud collecting in the
>> wheel well area. This is where Jeep placed the units. Pray tell, why
>> design
>> a vehicle for off-road use and place
>> a critical item in the way? BTW, my "off-road" driving is in the High
>> Desert
>> of California, on SB Co. roads. No
>> boon *******, or such, just driving to and from my home.
>>
>> I have found this series of Jeep to be a high maintenance item, from
>> routine
>> service to parts. I warn anyone
>> wanting a JGC, to check out the running costs vs. other manufacturers. I
>> just bought my wife a 2005 4wd Hyundai
>> Tucson and maintenance costs are extremely lower.
>>
>> ----.

billy ray

I am not sure I can agree with all your comments on the Grand Cherokees.

My '02 WJ (with Select-Trac) has been used several times for off-road
camping and has never let me down or left me stuck.

Of course.... I will admit I keep it cleaner and, perhaps, better maintained
than the typical WJ owner. I have been laughed at more than once for
washing it with lake water while 'on' camping trips.


"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:dqr1pi$soo$1@reader2.panix.com...
>
> What you own is a station wagon from the bottom of the luxury range, not a
> utility vehicle designed to be routinely driven on non-paved surfaces --
> even though it is marketed that way in a macho, `one day I'll be rich
> enough to have time to drive to the top of some rocky wilderness spire'
> masturbatory way. While in some alternate universe it is possible that
> AMC remained an independent manufacturer and followed the herd down the
> same path anyway, the blame in _this_ universe falls squarely in D-C's
> lap. In the mid-1990s they did market research that told them that in a
> household with a two-car garage that owned a Cherokee, the other car in
> the garage was a luxury sedan. Corporate brains clicked over in
> blinkered, maximized-profit lock-step: Ah ha! The secret to selling more
> Cherokees at higher profit is to make it a _Luxury_ model! That's what
> the great unwas^W^W Buying Public wants! This, of course, completely
> ignores the reason that the companion to the luxury sedan in the garage
> was a Cherokee.
>
> There's nothing new in that sort of Detroit hivemind thinking,
> disconnected from the outside world: Brock Yates was saying the same
> thing about Detroit in 1983 in his book _The Decline And Fall Of The
> American Automobile Industry_. That you are happier with your Hyundai is
> perfectly in keeping with the theme of his book, with Toyota taking the
> Hyundai (and soon, the rapidly-expanding Chinese auto makers) role of
> making better cars that suit the prevailing economic climate.
>
> But to be fair, D-C didn't start sissification of Jeeps:
>
> "There seems to be no end to [the manufacturer's] efforts to
> civilize the Jeep. For years now, Jeeps have gravitated from their
> original no-nonsense, utilitarian origins toward comfort and refinement.
> But what's the point? Hard-core Jeep people don't need any coddling from
> their mechanical mules, and non-Jeep types will hardly be won over by
> cut-pile carpet, leather steering wheels and interior-decor groups."
>
> The above was about American Motors, in a _Car and Driver_ review from
> 1982.
>
>
>
> amej@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>> What is going on with Chrysler selling Jeeps?
>>
>> I own a 2004 4wd Jeep Grand Cherokee, Limited Edition.
>>
>> Last night my engine warning light came on (47,056 mi.). I took the Jeep
>> into my dealer, Don-A-Vee, Placentia, CA
>> to have it repaired. The problem was a faulty Evaporative Pump and the
>> repairs are covered by California Emissions
>> Warranty. However, the charcoal canister is not and will cost $316 to
>> replace.
>>
>> I was warned that the reason for the failure and need to replace the
>> canister was caused by mud collecting in the
>> wheel well area. This is where Jeep placed the units. Pray tell, why
>> design
>> a vehicle for off-road use and place
>> a critical item in the way? BTW, my "off-road" driving is in the High
>> Desert
>> of California, on SB Co. roads. No
>> boon *******, or such, just driving to and from my home.
>>
>> I have found this series of Jeep to be a high maintenance item, from
>> routine
>> service to parts. I warn anyone
>> wanting a JGC, to check out the running costs vs. other manufacturers. I
>> just bought my wife a 2005 4wd Hyundai
>> Tucson and maintenance costs are extremely lower.
>>
>> ----.

billy ray

I am not sure I can agree with all your comments on the Grand Cherokees.

My '02 WJ (with Select-Trac) has been used several times for off-road
camping and has never let me down or left me stuck.

Of course.... I will admit I keep it cleaner and, perhaps, better maintained
than the typical WJ owner. I have been laughed at more than once for
washing it with lake water while 'on' camping trips.


"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:dqr1pi$soo$1@reader2.panix.com...
>
> What you own is a station wagon from the bottom of the luxury range, not a
> utility vehicle designed to be routinely driven on non-paved surfaces --
> even though it is marketed that way in a macho, `one day I'll be rich
> enough to have time to drive to the top of some rocky wilderness spire'
> masturbatory way. While in some alternate universe it is possible that
> AMC remained an independent manufacturer and followed the herd down the
> same path anyway, the blame in _this_ universe falls squarely in D-C's
> lap. In the mid-1990s they did market research that told them that in a
> household with a two-car garage that owned a Cherokee, the other car in
> the garage was a luxury sedan. Corporate brains clicked over in
> blinkered, maximized-profit lock-step: Ah ha! The secret to selling more
> Cherokees at higher profit is to make it a _Luxury_ model! That's what
> the great unwas^W^W Buying Public wants! This, of course, completely
> ignores the reason that the companion to the luxury sedan in the garage
> was a Cherokee.
>
> There's nothing new in that sort of Detroit hivemind thinking,
> disconnected from the outside world: Brock Yates was saying the same
> thing about Detroit in 1983 in his book _The Decline And Fall Of The
> American Automobile Industry_. That you are happier with your Hyundai is
> perfectly in keeping with the theme of his book, with Toyota taking the
> Hyundai (and soon, the rapidly-expanding Chinese auto makers) role of
> making better cars that suit the prevailing economic climate.
>
> But to be fair, D-C didn't start sissification of Jeeps:
>
> "There seems to be no end to [the manufacturer's] efforts to
> civilize the Jeep. For years now, Jeeps have gravitated from their
> original no-nonsense, utilitarian origins toward comfort and refinement.
> But what's the point? Hard-core Jeep people don't need any coddling from
> their mechanical mules, and non-Jeep types will hardly be won over by
> cut-pile carpet, leather steering wheels and interior-decor groups."
>
> The above was about American Motors, in a _Car and Driver_ review from
> 1982.
>
>
>
> amej@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>> What is going on with Chrysler selling Jeeps?
>>
>> I own a 2004 4wd Jeep Grand Cherokee, Limited Edition.
>>
>> Last night my engine warning light came on (47,056 mi.). I took the Jeep
>> into my dealer, Don-A-Vee, Placentia, CA
>> to have it repaired. The problem was a faulty Evaporative Pump and the
>> repairs are covered by California Emissions
>> Warranty. However, the charcoal canister is not and will cost $316 to
>> replace.
>>
>> I was warned that the reason for the failure and need to replace the
>> canister was caused by mud collecting in the
>> wheel well area. This is where Jeep placed the units. Pray tell, why
>> design
>> a vehicle for off-road use and place
>> a critical item in the way? BTW, my "off-road" driving is in the High
>> Desert
>> of California, on SB Co. roads. No
>> boon *******, or such, just driving to and from my home.
>>
>> I have found this series of Jeep to be a high maintenance item, from
>> routine
>> service to parts. I warn anyone
>> wanting a JGC, to check out the running costs vs. other manufacturers. I
>> just bought my wife a 2005 4wd Hyundai
>> Tucson and maintenance costs are extremely lower.
>>
>> ----.

amej@ix.netcom.com

On 20-Jan-2006, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> I do not know how bad they butchered the GC one, but for $316.00 I sure
> as heck would be pulling it off and washing the mud off the filter and
> be doing my damnedest to get the old one out.

I agree with you. That is exactly what I told the Service Rep at the dealer.

I am still confused about the warranty: Bumper-to-bumper. Does this apply
to the 2004 JGC? I know my partner had a problem with his Wrangler when
he had to have the bolts replaced on his engine plate.

Thanks for all of your comments. It still looks like a dark world....

----.

amej@ix.netcom.com

On 20-Jan-2006, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> I do not know how bad they butchered the GC one, but for $316.00 I sure
> as heck would be pulling it off and washing the mud off the filter and
> be doing my damnedest to get the old one out.

I agree with you. That is exactly what I told the Service Rep at the dealer.

I am still confused about the warranty: Bumper-to-bumper. Does this apply
to the 2004 JGC? I know my partner had a problem with his Wrangler when
he had to have the bolts replaced on his engine plate.

Thanks for all of your comments. It still looks like a dark world....

----.