L.W.(Bill) Hughes III

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budman@frozenorth.ca wrote:
>
> I drive shuttle for a GM dealer. I know that they use a lathe that turns the
> rotors ON the vehicle. I'll find the name of the unit and post back tomorrow.

L.W.(Bill) Hughes III

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budman@frozenorth.ca wrote:
>
> I drive shuttle for a GM dealer. I know that they use a lathe that turns the
> rotors ON the vehicle. I'll find the name of the unit and post back tomorrow.

L.W.(Bill) Hughes III

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God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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budman@frozenorth.ca wrote:
>
> I drive shuttle for a GM dealer. I know that they use a lathe that turns the
> rotors ON the vehicle. I'll find the name of the unit and post back tomorrow.

budman@frozenorth.ca

Ok, here's the skinny. GM has all dealers in the USA & Canada using the
http://procutinternational.com/ unit. You can watch a short video there as
well. We've been using this up here for a couple of years now.

>>
>>I drive shuttle for a GM dealer. I know that they use a lathe that turns the
>>rotors ON the vehicle. I'll find the name of the unit and post back tomorrow.
>>
>>
>>>>I am not familiar with the Liberty axle design, but I have seen disks turned
>>>>while on the hub. I don't see how you could turn one, without taking the
>>>>disk or the hub off the vehicle and mounting it in a lathe. It is possible
>>>>that Mike's theory is correct, and that this dealer's use of air impact
>>>>wrenches generates a lot of brake work for him. I don't know how you could
>>>>prove it though. You are going to say, "You messed up my brake disks" and
>>>>they are going to say, "Your driving style is out of our control, and that
>>>>is why the manufacturer does not warranty brakes".
>>>>
>>>>If you have this many questions about the dealer's service department, it
>>>>wouldn't hurt to get a second opinion. There must be lots of brake and
>>>>muffler shops in your town.
>>>>
>>>>Earle
>>>>
>>>>"Fred" <fse6041@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:1WmEg.20489$yE1.3751@trndny02...
>>>>> I had the tires rotated at 12,000 miles by the dealer, nothing else has
>>>>been
>>>>> done to the vehicle. I feel that the rotors should not wear or warp at
>>>>> 18,000 miles, and is it necessary to have them turned on the vehicle, or
>>>>are
>>>>> they just trying to get me to have the dealer do the job?
>>>>>
>>>>> Fred
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:44e1efeb$0$19102$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
>>>>> >I have 80,000 miles on the brakes on my 1995 Wrangler, with no work
>>>>> > performed on them except for an occasional fluid flush and inspection of
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > front pads and the rear shoes. Your theory makes some sense. In 18,231
>>>>> > miles the OP maybe had the tires rotated once, enough to get the rotors
>>>>> > warped if they used an impact wrench.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Fred, what work have you had done on the vehicle previously?
>>>>> > Specifically,
>>>>> > have you had the wheels taken off before, and why?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Earle
>>>>> >
>>>>> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>> > news:44E1E064.E5D4C1BA@sympatico.ca...
>>>>> >> It would appear it is a really common scam the $tealerships are pulling
>>>>> >> these days.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> They use an impact gun to install the tires and the rotors warp. They
>>>>> >> then sucker you for a turn and use the impact gun again on the tires so
>>>>> >> the turn doesn't last at all. They are 'supposed' to finish
>>>>tightening
>>>>> >> the wheels by hand with a torque wrench so the lugs push evenly on the
>>>>> >> rotors.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> If you go into their shop, I will bet you will see the so called
>>>>'techs'
>>>>> >> just hammering wheels on with no torque wrench to be seen.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Even if they claim they use 'torque sticks' on their gun, these are not
>>>>> >> accurate enough to prevent warpage. New out of the box, those sticks
>>>>> >> are still +/- something like 15% which can make a 30 ft lb up or down
>>>>> >> difference at 100 ft lb of torque.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Half the time, rather than replace, the rotors get turned under
>>>>> >> warranty, then they hammer the wheels back on and the next one is a
>>>>> >> replacement just after the warranty is up.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Mike
>>>>> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>> >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Fred wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > I have a 2004 Jeep Liberty that I purchased brand new in November of
>>>>> > 2003.
>>>>> >> > I have 18,231 miles on it and the brake rotors are bad. The dealer
>>>>> >> > told
>>>>> > me
>>>>> >> > that they need to be turned. I was not happy with the fact that it
>>>>was
>>>>> > not
>>>>> >> > covered under their 3 year or 36,000 mile warranty. I told them I
>>>>> >> > would
>>>>> >> > take it somewhere else to have the rotors turned because their price
>>>>> >> > was
>>>>> >> > ridiculous. The Service Manager told me that I should make sure that
>>>>> > the
>>>>> >> > rotors were turned on the vehicle because that is the only way they
>>>>are
>>>>> >> > supposed to be done on the Jeep Liberty. Has anyone else had this
>>>>> > problem
>>>>> >> > with only 18,000 miles on their Jeep and is it true that the rotors
>>>>> >> > have
>>>>> > to
>>>>> >> > be turned on the vehicle? Thanks for any comments on this problem.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>


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budman@frozenorth.ca

Ok, here's the skinny. GM has all dealers in the USA & Canada using the
http://procutinternational.com/ unit. You can watch a short video there as
well. We've been using this up here for a couple of years now.

>>
>>I drive shuttle for a GM dealer. I know that they use a lathe that turns the
>>rotors ON the vehicle. I'll find the name of the unit and post back tomorrow.
>>
>>
>>>>I am not familiar with the Liberty axle design, but I have seen disks turned
>>>>while on the hub. I don't see how you could turn one, without taking the
>>>>disk or the hub off the vehicle and mounting it in a lathe. It is possible
>>>>that Mike's theory is correct, and that this dealer's use of air impact
>>>>wrenches generates a lot of brake work for him. I don't know how you could
>>>>prove it though. You are going to say, "You messed up my brake disks" and
>>>>they are going to say, "Your driving style is out of our control, and that
>>>>is why the manufacturer does not warranty brakes".
>>>>
>>>>If you have this many questions about the dealer's service department, it
>>>>wouldn't hurt to get a second opinion. There must be lots of brake and
>>>>muffler shops in your town.
>>>>
>>>>Earle
>>>>
>>>>"Fred" <fse6041@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:1WmEg.20489$yE1.3751@trndny02...
>>>>> I had the tires rotated at 12,000 miles by the dealer, nothing else has
>>>>been
>>>>> done to the vehicle. I feel that the rotors should not wear or warp at
>>>>> 18,000 miles, and is it necessary to have them turned on the vehicle, or
>>>>are
>>>>> they just trying to get me to have the dealer do the job?
>>>>>
>>>>> Fred
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:44e1efeb$0$19102$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
>>>>> >I have 80,000 miles on the brakes on my 1995 Wrangler, with no work
>>>>> > performed on them except for an occasional fluid flush and inspection of
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > front pads and the rear shoes. Your theory makes some sense. In 18,231
>>>>> > miles the OP maybe had the tires rotated once, enough to get the rotors
>>>>> > warped if they used an impact wrench.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Fred, what work have you had done on the vehicle previously?
>>>>> > Specifically,
>>>>> > have you had the wheels taken off before, and why?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Earle
>>>>> >
>>>>> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>> > news:44E1E064.E5D4C1BA@sympatico.ca...
>>>>> >> It would appear it is a really common scam the $tealerships are pulling
>>>>> >> these days.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> They use an impact gun to install the tires and the rotors warp. They
>>>>> >> then sucker you for a turn and use the impact gun again on the tires so
>>>>> >> the turn doesn't last at all. They are 'supposed' to finish
>>>>tightening
>>>>> >> the wheels by hand with a torque wrench so the lugs push evenly on the
>>>>> >> rotors.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> If you go into their shop, I will bet you will see the so called
>>>>'techs'
>>>>> >> just hammering wheels on with no torque wrench to be seen.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Even if they claim they use 'torque sticks' on their gun, these are not
>>>>> >> accurate enough to prevent warpage. New out of the box, those sticks
>>>>> >> are still +/- something like 15% which can make a 30 ft lb up or down
>>>>> >> difference at 100 ft lb of torque.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Half the time, rather than replace, the rotors get turned under
>>>>> >> warranty, then they hammer the wheels back on and the next one is a
>>>>> >> replacement just after the warranty is up.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Mike
>>>>> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>> >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Fred wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > I have a 2004 Jeep Liberty that I purchased brand new in November of
>>>>> > 2003.
>>>>> >> > I have 18,231 miles on it and the brake rotors are bad. The dealer
>>>>> >> > told
>>>>> > me
>>>>> >> > that they need to be turned. I was not happy with the fact that it
>>>>was
>>>>> > not
>>>>> >> > covered under their 3 year or 36,000 mile warranty. I told them I
>>>>> >> > would
>>>>> >> > take it somewhere else to have the rotors turned because their price
>>>>> >> > was
>>>>> >> > ridiculous. The Service Manager told me that I should make sure that
>>>>> > the
>>>>> >> > rotors were turned on the vehicle because that is the only way they
>>>>are
>>>>> >> > supposed to be done on the Jeep Liberty. Has anyone else had this
>>>>> > problem
>>>>> >> > with only 18,000 miles on their Jeep and is it true that the rotors
>>>>> >> > have
>>>>> > to
>>>>> >> > be turned on the vehicle? Thanks for any comments on this problem.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>


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budman@frozenorth.ca

Ok, here's the skinny. GM has all dealers in the USA & Canada using the
http://procutinternational.com/ unit. You can watch a short video there as
well. We've been using this up here for a couple of years now.

>>
>>I drive shuttle for a GM dealer. I know that they use a lathe that turns the
>>rotors ON the vehicle. I'll find the name of the unit and post back tomorrow.
>>
>>
>>>>I am not familiar with the Liberty axle design, but I have seen disks turned
>>>>while on the hub. I don't see how you could turn one, without taking the
>>>>disk or the hub off the vehicle and mounting it in a lathe. It is possible
>>>>that Mike's theory is correct, and that this dealer's use of air impact
>>>>wrenches generates a lot of brake work for him. I don't know how you could
>>>>prove it though. You are going to say, "You messed up my brake disks" and
>>>>they are going to say, "Your driving style is out of our control, and that
>>>>is why the manufacturer does not warranty brakes".
>>>>
>>>>If you have this many questions about the dealer's service department, it
>>>>wouldn't hurt to get a second opinion. There must be lots of brake and
>>>>muffler shops in your town.
>>>>
>>>>Earle
>>>>
>>>>"Fred" <fse6041@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:1WmEg.20489$yE1.3751@trndny02...
>>>>> I had the tires rotated at 12,000 miles by the dealer, nothing else has
>>>>been
>>>>> done to the vehicle. I feel that the rotors should not wear or warp at
>>>>> 18,000 miles, and is it necessary to have them turned on the vehicle, or
>>>>are
>>>>> they just trying to get me to have the dealer do the job?
>>>>>
>>>>> Fred
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:44e1efeb$0$19102$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
>>>>> >I have 80,000 miles on the brakes on my 1995 Wrangler, with no work
>>>>> > performed on them except for an occasional fluid flush and inspection of
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > front pads and the rear shoes. Your theory makes some sense. In 18,231
>>>>> > miles the OP maybe had the tires rotated once, enough to get the rotors
>>>>> > warped if they used an impact wrench.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Fred, what work have you had done on the vehicle previously?
>>>>> > Specifically,
>>>>> > have you had the wheels taken off before, and why?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Earle
>>>>> >
>>>>> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>> > news:44E1E064.E5D4C1BA@sympatico.ca...
>>>>> >> It would appear it is a really common scam the $tealerships are pulling
>>>>> >> these days.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> They use an impact gun to install the tires and the rotors warp. They
>>>>> >> then sucker you for a turn and use the impact gun again on the tires so
>>>>> >> the turn doesn't last at all. They are 'supposed' to finish
>>>>tightening
>>>>> >> the wheels by hand with a torque wrench so the lugs push evenly on the
>>>>> >> rotors.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> If you go into their shop, I will bet you will see the so called
>>>>'techs'
>>>>> >> just hammering wheels on with no torque wrench to be seen.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Even if they claim they use 'torque sticks' on their gun, these are not
>>>>> >> accurate enough to prevent warpage. New out of the box, those sticks
>>>>> >> are still +/- something like 15% which can make a 30 ft lb up or down
>>>>> >> difference at 100 ft lb of torque.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Half the time, rather than replace, the rotors get turned under
>>>>> >> warranty, then they hammer the wheels back on and the next one is a
>>>>> >> replacement just after the warranty is up.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Mike
>>>>> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>> >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Fred wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > I have a 2004 Jeep Liberty that I purchased brand new in November of
>>>>> > 2003.
>>>>> >> > I have 18,231 miles on it and the brake rotors are bad. The dealer
>>>>> >> > told
>>>>> > me
>>>>> >> > that they need to be turned. I was not happy with the fact that it
>>>>was
>>>>> > not
>>>>> >> > covered under their 3 year or 36,000 mile warranty. I told them I
>>>>> >> > would
>>>>> >> > take it somewhere else to have the rotors turned because their price
>>>>> >> > was
>>>>> >> > ridiculous. The Service Manager told me that I should make sure that
>>>>> > the
>>>>> >> > rotors were turned on the vehicle because that is the only way they
>>>>are
>>>>> >> > supposed to be done on the Jeep Liberty. Has anyone else had this
>>>>> > problem
>>>>> >> > with only 18,000 miles on their Jeep and is it true that the rotors
>>>>> >> > have
>>>>> > to
>>>>> >> > be turned on the vehicle? Thanks for any comments on this problem.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>


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budman@frozenorth.ca

Ok, here's the skinny. GM has all dealers in the USA & Canada using the
http://procutinternational.com/ unit. You can watch a short video there as
well. We've been using this up here for a couple of years now.

>>
>>I drive shuttle for a GM dealer. I know that they use a lathe that turns the
>>rotors ON the vehicle. I'll find the name of the unit and post back tomorrow.
>>
>>
>>>>I am not familiar with the Liberty axle design, but I have seen disks turned
>>>>while on the hub. I don't see how you could turn one, without taking the
>>>>disk or the hub off the vehicle and mounting it in a lathe. It is possible
>>>>that Mike's theory is correct, and that this dealer's use of air impact
>>>>wrenches generates a lot of brake work for him. I don't know how you could
>>>>prove it though. You are going to say, "You messed up my brake disks" and
>>>>they are going to say, "Your driving style is out of our control, and that
>>>>is why the manufacturer does not warranty brakes".
>>>>
>>>>If you have this many questions about the dealer's service department, it
>>>>wouldn't hurt to get a second opinion. There must be lots of brake and
>>>>muffler shops in your town.
>>>>
>>>>Earle
>>>>
>>>>"Fred" <fse6041@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:1WmEg.20489$yE1.3751@trndny02...
>>>>> I had the tires rotated at 12,000 miles by the dealer, nothing else has
>>>>been
>>>>> done to the vehicle. I feel that the rotors should not wear or warp at
>>>>> 18,000 miles, and is it necessary to have them turned on the vehicle, or
>>>>are
>>>>> they just trying to get me to have the dealer do the job?
>>>>>
>>>>> Fred
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:44e1efeb$0$19102$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
>>>>> >I have 80,000 miles on the brakes on my 1995 Wrangler, with no work
>>>>> > performed on them except for an occasional fluid flush and inspection of
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > front pads and the rear shoes. Your theory makes some sense. In 18,231
>>>>> > miles the OP maybe had the tires rotated once, enough to get the rotors
>>>>> > warped if they used an impact wrench.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Fred, what work have you had done on the vehicle previously?
>>>>> > Specifically,
>>>>> > have you had the wheels taken off before, and why?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Earle
>>>>> >
>>>>> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>>> > news:44E1E064.E5D4C1BA@sympatico.ca...
>>>>> >> It would appear it is a really common scam the $tealerships are pulling
>>>>> >> these days.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> They use an impact gun to install the tires and the rotors warp. They
>>>>> >> then sucker you for a turn and use the impact gun again on the tires so
>>>>> >> the turn doesn't last at all. They are 'supposed' to finish
>>>>tightening
>>>>> >> the wheels by hand with a torque wrench so the lugs push evenly on the
>>>>> >> rotors.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> If you go into their shop, I will bet you will see the so called
>>>>'techs'
>>>>> >> just hammering wheels on with no torque wrench to be seen.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Even if they claim they use 'torque sticks' on their gun, these are not
>>>>> >> accurate enough to prevent warpage. New out of the box, those sticks
>>>>> >> are still +/- something like 15% which can make a 30 ft lb up or down
>>>>> >> difference at 100 ft lb of torque.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Half the time, rather than replace, the rotors get turned under
>>>>> >> warranty, then they hammer the wheels back on and the next one is a
>>>>> >> replacement just after the warranty is up.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Mike
>>>>> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>> >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Fred wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > I have a 2004 Jeep Liberty that I purchased brand new in November of
>>>>> > 2003.
>>>>> >> > I have 18,231 miles on it and the brake rotors are bad. The dealer
>>>>> >> > told
>>>>> > me
>>>>> >> > that they need to be turned. I was not happy with the fact that it
>>>>was
>>>>> > not
>>>>> >> > covered under their 3 year or 36,000 mile warranty. I told them I
>>>>> >> > would
>>>>> >> > take it somewhere else to have the rotors turned because their price
>>>>> >> > was
>>>>> >> > ridiculous. The Service Manager told me that I should make sure that
>>>>> > the
>>>>> >> > rotors were turned on the vehicle because that is the only way they
>>>>are
>>>>> >> > supposed to be done on the Jeep Liberty. Has anyone else had this
>>>>> > problem
>>>>> >> > with only 18,000 miles on their Jeep and is it true that the rotors
>>>>> >> > have
>>>>> > to
>>>>> >> > be turned on the vehicle? Thanks for any comments on this problem.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>


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philthy

what a load of ---- he gave u! get some autozone rotors and forget turning the
rotors you will be better off in the long run

Fred wrote:

> I have a 2004 Jeep Liberty that I purchased brand new in November of 2003.
> I have 18,231 miles on it and the brake rotors are bad. The dealer told me
> that they need to be turned. I was not happy with the fact that it was not
> covered under their 3 year or 36,000 mile warranty. I told them I would
> take it somewhere else to have the rotors turned because their price was
> ridiculous. The Service Manager told me that I should make sure that the
> rotors were turned on the vehicle because that is the only way they are
> supposed to be done on the Jeep Liberty. Has anyone else had this problem
> with only 18,000 miles on their Jeep and is it true that the rotors have to
> be turned on the vehicle? Thanks for any comments on this problem.

philthy

what a load of ---- he gave u! get some autozone rotors and forget turning the
rotors you will be better off in the long run

Fred wrote:

> I have a 2004 Jeep Liberty that I purchased brand new in November of 2003.
> I have 18,231 miles on it and the brake rotors are bad. The dealer told me
> that they need to be turned. I was not happy with the fact that it was not
> covered under their 3 year or 36,000 mile warranty. I told them I would
> take it somewhere else to have the rotors turned because their price was
> ridiculous. The Service Manager told me that I should make sure that the
> rotors were turned on the vehicle because that is the only way they are
> supposed to be done on the Jeep Liberty. Has anyone else had this problem
> with only 18,000 miles on their Jeep and is it true that the rotors have to
> be turned on the vehicle? Thanks for any comments on this problem.

philthy

what a load of ---- he gave u! get some autozone rotors and forget turning the
rotors you will be better off in the long run

Fred wrote:

> I have a 2004 Jeep Liberty that I purchased brand new in November of 2003.
> I have 18,231 miles on it and the brake rotors are bad. The dealer told me
> that they need to be turned. I was not happy with the fact that it was not
> covered under their 3 year or 36,000 mile warranty. I told them I would
> take it somewhere else to have the rotors turned because their price was
> ridiculous. The Service Manager told me that I should make sure that the
> rotors were turned on the vehicle because that is the only way they are
> supposed to be done on the Jeep Liberty. Has anyone else had this problem
> with only 18,000 miles on their Jeep and is it true that the rotors have to
> be turned on the vehicle? Thanks for any comments on this problem.