2002 Sahara Axle Question
#11
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Re: 2002 Sahara Axle Question
Try: http://www.jeep.com/ click on "Contact Us" then "CUSTOMER
ASSISTANCE", then "Send us an Email" and type in request build order and
of course include the VIN.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Tomes wrote:
>
> aw, Bill, this link does not work anymore, at least not for me. I wanted to
> get the scoop on my 2002 TJ, but I got this returned:
>
> Sorry your request cannot be fulfilled.
> The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed,
> or is temporarily unavailable.
>
> I then tried to root around their website and came up lame. Is there
> another way to get at this?
> Thanks,
> Excited and then disappointed Tomes
ASSISTANCE", then "Send us an Email" and type in request build order and
of course include the VIN.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Tomes wrote:
>
> aw, Bill, this link does not work anymore, at least not for me. I wanted to
> get the scoop on my 2002 TJ, but I got this returned:
>
> Sorry your request cannot be fulfilled.
> The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed,
> or is temporarily unavailable.
>
> I then tried to root around their website and came up lame. Is there
> another way to get at this?
> Thanks,
> Excited and then disappointed Tomes
#12
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Re: 2002 Sahara Axle Question
Try: http://www.jeep.com/ click on "Contact Us" then "CUSTOMER
ASSISTANCE", then "Send us an Email" and type in request build order and
of course include the VIN.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Tomes wrote:
>
> aw, Bill, this link does not work anymore, at least not for me. I wanted to
> get the scoop on my 2002 TJ, but I got this returned:
>
> Sorry your request cannot be fulfilled.
> The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed,
> or is temporarily unavailable.
>
> I then tried to root around their website and came up lame. Is there
> another way to get at this?
> Thanks,
> Excited and then disappointed Tomes
ASSISTANCE", then "Send us an Email" and type in request build order and
of course include the VIN.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Tomes wrote:
>
> aw, Bill, this link does not work anymore, at least not for me. I wanted to
> get the scoop on my 2002 TJ, but I got this returned:
>
> Sorry your request cannot be fulfilled.
> The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed,
> or is temporarily unavailable.
>
> I then tried to root around their website and came up lame. Is there
> another way to get at this?
> Thanks,
> Excited and then disappointed Tomes
#13
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Re: 2002 Sahara Axle Question
Try: http://www.jeep.com/ click on "Contact Us" then "CUSTOMER
ASSISTANCE", then "Send us an Email" and type in request build order and
of course include the VIN.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Tomes wrote:
>
> aw, Bill, this link does not work anymore, at least not for me. I wanted to
> get the scoop on my 2002 TJ, but I got this returned:
>
> Sorry your request cannot be fulfilled.
> The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed,
> or is temporarily unavailable.
>
> I then tried to root around their website and came up lame. Is there
> another way to get at this?
> Thanks,
> Excited and then disappointed Tomes
ASSISTANCE", then "Send us an Email" and type in request build order and
of course include the VIN.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Tomes wrote:
>
> aw, Bill, this link does not work anymore, at least not for me. I wanted to
> get the scoop on my 2002 TJ, but I got this returned:
>
> Sorry your request cannot be fulfilled.
> The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed,
> or is temporarily unavailable.
>
> I then tried to root around their website and came up lame. Is there
> another way to get at this?
> Thanks,
> Excited and then disappointed Tomes
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Re: 2002 Sahara Axle Question
Thanks Bill, much appreciated. I got there.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FF9F8C9.CA597C94@***.net...
> Try: http://www.jeep.com/ click on "Contact Us" then "CUSTOMER
> ASSISTANCE", then "Send us an Email" and type in request build order and
> of course include the VIN.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Tomes wrote:
> >
> > aw, Bill, this link does not work anymore, at least not for me. I
wanted to
> > get the scoop on my 2002 TJ, but I got this returned:
> >
> > Sorry your request cannot be fulfilled.
> > The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name
changed,
> > or is temporarily unavailable.
> >
> > I then tried to root around their website and came up lame. Is there
> > another way to get at this?
> > Thanks,
> > Excited and then disappointed Tomes
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FF9F8C9.CA597C94@***.net...
> Try: http://www.jeep.com/ click on "Contact Us" then "CUSTOMER
> ASSISTANCE", then "Send us an Email" and type in request build order and
> of course include the VIN.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Tomes wrote:
> >
> > aw, Bill, this link does not work anymore, at least not for me. I
wanted to
> > get the scoop on my 2002 TJ, but I got this returned:
> >
> > Sorry your request cannot be fulfilled.
> > The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name
changed,
> > or is temporarily unavailable.
> >
> > I then tried to root around their website and came up lame. Is there
> > another way to get at this?
> > Thanks,
> > Excited and then disappointed Tomes
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Re: 2002 Sahara Axle Question
Thanks Bill, much appreciated. I got there.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FF9F8C9.CA597C94@***.net...
> Try: http://www.jeep.com/ click on "Contact Us" then "CUSTOMER
> ASSISTANCE", then "Send us an Email" and type in request build order and
> of course include the VIN.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Tomes wrote:
> >
> > aw, Bill, this link does not work anymore, at least not for me. I
wanted to
> > get the scoop on my 2002 TJ, but I got this returned:
> >
> > Sorry your request cannot be fulfilled.
> > The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name
changed,
> > or is temporarily unavailable.
> >
> > I then tried to root around their website and came up lame. Is there
> > another way to get at this?
> > Thanks,
> > Excited and then disappointed Tomes
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FF9F8C9.CA597C94@***.net...
> Try: http://www.jeep.com/ click on "Contact Us" then "CUSTOMER
> ASSISTANCE", then "Send us an Email" and type in request build order and
> of course include the VIN.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Tomes wrote:
> >
> > aw, Bill, this link does not work anymore, at least not for me. I
wanted to
> > get the scoop on my 2002 TJ, but I got this returned:
> >
> > Sorry your request cannot be fulfilled.
> > The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name
changed,
> > or is temporarily unavailable.
> >
> > I then tried to root around their website and came up lame. Is there
> > another way to get at this?
> > Thanks,
> > Excited and then disappointed Tomes
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Re: 2002 Sahara Axle Question
Thanks Bill, much appreciated. I got there.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FF9F8C9.CA597C94@***.net...
> Try: http://www.jeep.com/ click on "Contact Us" then "CUSTOMER
> ASSISTANCE", then "Send us an Email" and type in request build order and
> of course include the VIN.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Tomes wrote:
> >
> > aw, Bill, this link does not work anymore, at least not for me. I
wanted to
> > get the scoop on my 2002 TJ, but I got this returned:
> >
> > Sorry your request cannot be fulfilled.
> > The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name
changed,
> > or is temporarily unavailable.
> >
> > I then tried to root around their website and came up lame. Is there
> > another way to get at this?
> > Thanks,
> > Excited and then disappointed Tomes
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FF9F8C9.CA597C94@***.net...
> Try: http://www.jeep.com/ click on "Contact Us" then "CUSTOMER
> ASSISTANCE", then "Send us an Email" and type in request build order and
> of course include the VIN.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Tomes wrote:
> >
> > aw, Bill, this link does not work anymore, at least not for me. I
wanted to
> > get the scoop on my 2002 TJ, but I got this returned:
> >
> > Sorry your request cannot be fulfilled.
> > The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name
changed,
> > or is temporarily unavailable.
> >
> > I then tried to root around their website and came up lame. Is there
> > another way to get at this?
> > Thanks,
> > Excited and then disappointed Tomes
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Re: 2002 Sahara Axle Question
My '03 Sahara has a D44 rear with 3.73 gears. The front is a D30 (same
gearing obviously). The Sahara comes stock with the 30" tire package and
the D44 @3.73. Oddly the ordering page on the Jeep web site specified
a D35, but I've never actually seen a Sahara with one (I checked for a
few months after I got mine and was trying to determine what I had- this
exact question was an issue for me once.)
It starts to get funny when you add in rear disc brakes, a LSD, or ABS.
There were some restritions about ordering those together and I think
one or more of them resulted in a D35 being fitted rather than a D44,
even with 30" tires.
If you do not have rear disc breaks, the LSD, or ABS then I'm sure you
got a D44 (in the US anyway).
If the diff cover is like a sideways apple, then you do have a D44. The
D35 is very, very, obviously round.
Blueshirts wrote:
> I have a 2002 Jeep Sahara TJ (Wrangler) and am trying to determine
> which rear axle it came with from the factory. I have read earlier
> posts regarding shape of the diff cover and it is definitely not round
> so I assumed it was a Dana 44.
>
> I then looked at the most recent specifications for the Wrangler on
> the Jeep web site and it states that for 2003 the Dana 44 is not
> available on the Sahara. For 2004 it looks like it is an available
> option. Does anyone know (or can point me to) the specifications for
> 2002 Jeep Wranglers and was the Dana 44 an available option for a
> Sahara in 2002?
>
> I also read somewhere that TJ's with the 30 inch tire package came
> with the Dana 44 in the rear, anyone know if this is true? It would
> make sense.
>
> This is a table for 2003 of data I found on the Jeep web site and as
> you can see (unless it is a mistake) the Dana 44 was not a standard
> feature or an option for Sahara's in 2003.
>
> 2003 Jeep GVWR, Towing, Suspension
>
> Model SE X SPORT SAHARA RUBICON
> Optional Package A N X D G U
> 3.07:1 Axle Ratio - - x x - -
> 3.73:1 Axle Ratio - - a a x -
> 4,450-Pound GVWR x x x x x -
> 4,550-Pound GVWR - - - - - x
> 4:1 Rock-Trac(TM) - - - - - x
> 4.11:1 Axle Ratio x x - - - x
> Command-Trac(R) x x x x x -
> Dana 30 Front Axle x x x x x -
> Dana 35 Rear Axle x x x x x -
> Dana 44-3 HD Rear Ax - - - a - x
> Dana M44/216MM FAxle - - - - - x
gearing obviously). The Sahara comes stock with the 30" tire package and
the D44 @3.73. Oddly the ordering page on the Jeep web site specified
a D35, but I've never actually seen a Sahara with one (I checked for a
few months after I got mine and was trying to determine what I had- this
exact question was an issue for me once.)
It starts to get funny when you add in rear disc brakes, a LSD, or ABS.
There were some restritions about ordering those together and I think
one or more of them resulted in a D35 being fitted rather than a D44,
even with 30" tires.
If you do not have rear disc breaks, the LSD, or ABS then I'm sure you
got a D44 (in the US anyway).
If the diff cover is like a sideways apple, then you do have a D44. The
D35 is very, very, obviously round.
Blueshirts wrote:
> I have a 2002 Jeep Sahara TJ (Wrangler) and am trying to determine
> which rear axle it came with from the factory. I have read earlier
> posts regarding shape of the diff cover and it is definitely not round
> so I assumed it was a Dana 44.
>
> I then looked at the most recent specifications for the Wrangler on
> the Jeep web site and it states that for 2003 the Dana 44 is not
> available on the Sahara. For 2004 it looks like it is an available
> option. Does anyone know (or can point me to) the specifications for
> 2002 Jeep Wranglers and was the Dana 44 an available option for a
> Sahara in 2002?
>
> I also read somewhere that TJ's with the 30 inch tire package came
> with the Dana 44 in the rear, anyone know if this is true? It would
> make sense.
>
> This is a table for 2003 of data I found on the Jeep web site and as
> you can see (unless it is a mistake) the Dana 44 was not a standard
> feature or an option for Sahara's in 2003.
>
> 2003 Jeep GVWR, Towing, Suspension
>
> Model SE X SPORT SAHARA RUBICON
> Optional Package A N X D G U
> 3.07:1 Axle Ratio - - x x - -
> 3.73:1 Axle Ratio - - a a x -
> 4,450-Pound GVWR x x x x x -
> 4,550-Pound GVWR - - - - - x
> 4:1 Rock-Trac(TM) - - - - - x
> 4.11:1 Axle Ratio x x - - - x
> Command-Trac(R) x x x x x -
> Dana 30 Front Axle x x x x x -
> Dana 35 Rear Axle x x x x x -
> Dana 44-3 HD Rear Ax - - - a - x
> Dana M44/216MM FAxle - - - - - x
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Re: 2002 Sahara Axle Question
My '03 Sahara has a D44 rear with 3.73 gears. The front is a D30 (same
gearing obviously). The Sahara comes stock with the 30" tire package and
the D44 @3.73. Oddly the ordering page on the Jeep web site specified
a D35, but I've never actually seen a Sahara with one (I checked for a
few months after I got mine and was trying to determine what I had- this
exact question was an issue for me once.)
It starts to get funny when you add in rear disc brakes, a LSD, or ABS.
There were some restritions about ordering those together and I think
one or more of them resulted in a D35 being fitted rather than a D44,
even with 30" tires.
If you do not have rear disc breaks, the LSD, or ABS then I'm sure you
got a D44 (in the US anyway).
If the diff cover is like a sideways apple, then you do have a D44. The
D35 is very, very, obviously round.
Blueshirts wrote:
> I have a 2002 Jeep Sahara TJ (Wrangler) and am trying to determine
> which rear axle it came with from the factory. I have read earlier
> posts regarding shape of the diff cover and it is definitely not round
> so I assumed it was a Dana 44.
>
> I then looked at the most recent specifications for the Wrangler on
> the Jeep web site and it states that for 2003 the Dana 44 is not
> available on the Sahara. For 2004 it looks like it is an available
> option. Does anyone know (or can point me to) the specifications for
> 2002 Jeep Wranglers and was the Dana 44 an available option for a
> Sahara in 2002?
>
> I also read somewhere that TJ's with the 30 inch tire package came
> with the Dana 44 in the rear, anyone know if this is true? It would
> make sense.
>
> This is a table for 2003 of data I found on the Jeep web site and as
> you can see (unless it is a mistake) the Dana 44 was not a standard
> feature or an option for Sahara's in 2003.
>
> 2003 Jeep GVWR, Towing, Suspension
>
> Model SE X SPORT SAHARA RUBICON
> Optional Package A N X D G U
> 3.07:1 Axle Ratio - - x x - -
> 3.73:1 Axle Ratio - - a a x -
> 4,450-Pound GVWR x x x x x -
> 4,550-Pound GVWR - - - - - x
> 4:1 Rock-Trac(TM) - - - - - x
> 4.11:1 Axle Ratio x x - - - x
> Command-Trac(R) x x x x x -
> Dana 30 Front Axle x x x x x -
> Dana 35 Rear Axle x x x x x -
> Dana 44-3 HD Rear Ax - - - a - x
> Dana M44/216MM FAxle - - - - - x
gearing obviously). The Sahara comes stock with the 30" tire package and
the D44 @3.73. Oddly the ordering page on the Jeep web site specified
a D35, but I've never actually seen a Sahara with one (I checked for a
few months after I got mine and was trying to determine what I had- this
exact question was an issue for me once.)
It starts to get funny when you add in rear disc brakes, a LSD, or ABS.
There were some restritions about ordering those together and I think
one or more of them resulted in a D35 being fitted rather than a D44,
even with 30" tires.
If you do not have rear disc breaks, the LSD, or ABS then I'm sure you
got a D44 (in the US anyway).
If the diff cover is like a sideways apple, then you do have a D44. The
D35 is very, very, obviously round.
Blueshirts wrote:
> I have a 2002 Jeep Sahara TJ (Wrangler) and am trying to determine
> which rear axle it came with from the factory. I have read earlier
> posts regarding shape of the diff cover and it is definitely not round
> so I assumed it was a Dana 44.
>
> I then looked at the most recent specifications for the Wrangler on
> the Jeep web site and it states that for 2003 the Dana 44 is not
> available on the Sahara. For 2004 it looks like it is an available
> option. Does anyone know (or can point me to) the specifications for
> 2002 Jeep Wranglers and was the Dana 44 an available option for a
> Sahara in 2002?
>
> I also read somewhere that TJ's with the 30 inch tire package came
> with the Dana 44 in the rear, anyone know if this is true? It would
> make sense.
>
> This is a table for 2003 of data I found on the Jeep web site and as
> you can see (unless it is a mistake) the Dana 44 was not a standard
> feature or an option for Sahara's in 2003.
>
> 2003 Jeep GVWR, Towing, Suspension
>
> Model SE X SPORT SAHARA RUBICON
> Optional Package A N X D G U
> 3.07:1 Axle Ratio - - x x - -
> 3.73:1 Axle Ratio - - a a x -
> 4,450-Pound GVWR x x x x x -
> 4,550-Pound GVWR - - - - - x
> 4:1 Rock-Trac(TM) - - - - - x
> 4.11:1 Axle Ratio x x - - - x
> Command-Trac(R) x x x x x -
> Dana 30 Front Axle x x x x x -
> Dana 35 Rear Axle x x x x x -
> Dana 44-3 HD Rear Ax - - - a - x
> Dana M44/216MM FAxle - - - - - x
#19
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Re: 2002 Sahara Axle Question
My '03 Sahara has a D44 rear with 3.73 gears. The front is a D30 (same
gearing obviously). The Sahara comes stock with the 30" tire package and
the D44 @3.73. Oddly the ordering page on the Jeep web site specified
a D35, but I've never actually seen a Sahara with one (I checked for a
few months after I got mine and was trying to determine what I had- this
exact question was an issue for me once.)
It starts to get funny when you add in rear disc brakes, a LSD, or ABS.
There were some restritions about ordering those together and I think
one or more of them resulted in a D35 being fitted rather than a D44,
even with 30" tires.
If you do not have rear disc breaks, the LSD, or ABS then I'm sure you
got a D44 (in the US anyway).
If the diff cover is like a sideways apple, then you do have a D44. The
D35 is very, very, obviously round.
Blueshirts wrote:
> I have a 2002 Jeep Sahara TJ (Wrangler) and am trying to determine
> which rear axle it came with from the factory. I have read earlier
> posts regarding shape of the diff cover and it is definitely not round
> so I assumed it was a Dana 44.
>
> I then looked at the most recent specifications for the Wrangler on
> the Jeep web site and it states that for 2003 the Dana 44 is not
> available on the Sahara. For 2004 it looks like it is an available
> option. Does anyone know (or can point me to) the specifications for
> 2002 Jeep Wranglers and was the Dana 44 an available option for a
> Sahara in 2002?
>
> I also read somewhere that TJ's with the 30 inch tire package came
> with the Dana 44 in the rear, anyone know if this is true? It would
> make sense.
>
> This is a table for 2003 of data I found on the Jeep web site and as
> you can see (unless it is a mistake) the Dana 44 was not a standard
> feature or an option for Sahara's in 2003.
>
> 2003 Jeep GVWR, Towing, Suspension
>
> Model SE X SPORT SAHARA RUBICON
> Optional Package A N X D G U
> 3.07:1 Axle Ratio - - x x - -
> 3.73:1 Axle Ratio - - a a x -
> 4,450-Pound GVWR x x x x x -
> 4,550-Pound GVWR - - - - - x
> 4:1 Rock-Trac(TM) - - - - - x
> 4.11:1 Axle Ratio x x - - - x
> Command-Trac(R) x x x x x -
> Dana 30 Front Axle x x x x x -
> Dana 35 Rear Axle x x x x x -
> Dana 44-3 HD Rear Ax - - - a - x
> Dana M44/216MM FAxle - - - - - x
gearing obviously). The Sahara comes stock with the 30" tire package and
the D44 @3.73. Oddly the ordering page on the Jeep web site specified
a D35, but I've never actually seen a Sahara with one (I checked for a
few months after I got mine and was trying to determine what I had- this
exact question was an issue for me once.)
It starts to get funny when you add in rear disc brakes, a LSD, or ABS.
There were some restritions about ordering those together and I think
one or more of them resulted in a D35 being fitted rather than a D44,
even with 30" tires.
If you do not have rear disc breaks, the LSD, or ABS then I'm sure you
got a D44 (in the US anyway).
If the diff cover is like a sideways apple, then you do have a D44. The
D35 is very, very, obviously round.
Blueshirts wrote:
> I have a 2002 Jeep Sahara TJ (Wrangler) and am trying to determine
> which rear axle it came with from the factory. I have read earlier
> posts regarding shape of the diff cover and it is definitely not round
> so I assumed it was a Dana 44.
>
> I then looked at the most recent specifications for the Wrangler on
> the Jeep web site and it states that for 2003 the Dana 44 is not
> available on the Sahara. For 2004 it looks like it is an available
> option. Does anyone know (or can point me to) the specifications for
> 2002 Jeep Wranglers and was the Dana 44 an available option for a
> Sahara in 2002?
>
> I also read somewhere that TJ's with the 30 inch tire package came
> with the Dana 44 in the rear, anyone know if this is true? It would
> make sense.
>
> This is a table for 2003 of data I found on the Jeep web site and as
> you can see (unless it is a mistake) the Dana 44 was not a standard
> feature or an option for Sahara's in 2003.
>
> 2003 Jeep GVWR, Towing, Suspension
>
> Model SE X SPORT SAHARA RUBICON
> Optional Package A N X D G U
> 3.07:1 Axle Ratio - - x x - -
> 3.73:1 Axle Ratio - - a a x -
> 4,450-Pound GVWR x x x x x -
> 4,550-Pound GVWR - - - - - x
> 4:1 Rock-Trac(TM) - - - - - x
> 4.11:1 Axle Ratio x x - - - x
> Command-Trac(R) x x x x x -
> Dana 30 Front Axle x x x x x -
> Dana 35 Rear Axle x x x x x -
> Dana 44-3 HD Rear Ax - - - a - x
> Dana M44/216MM FAxle - - - - - x
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Re: 2002 Sahara Axle Question
Roughly 1/5/04 15:41, Tomes's monkeys randomly typed:
> aw, Bill, this link does not work anymore, at least not for me. I wanted to
> get the scoop on my 2002 TJ, but I got this returned:
You can get there by going to www.jeep.com
Select the "For Owners" dinky little link at the bottom.
From the next screen, select "Contact Jeep".
On the "United States" "Contact Jeep" screen, select
"I Need Customer Assistance" and on the resulting
screen, select "Send Us an Email" which doesn't do
any such thing, it opens a form you can fill in with
your email address, your VIN, and your desire for a Build
Order.
As simple as programming your VCR. >:-)
--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.
> aw, Bill, this link does not work anymore, at least not for me. I wanted to
> get the scoop on my 2002 TJ, but I got this returned:
You can get there by going to www.jeep.com
Select the "For Owners" dinky little link at the bottom.
From the next screen, select "Contact Jeep".
On the "United States" "Contact Jeep" screen, select
"I Need Customer Assistance" and on the resulting
screen, select "Send Us an Email" which doesn't do
any such thing, it opens a form you can fill in with
your email address, your VIN, and your desire for a Build
Order.
As simple as programming your VCR. >:-)
--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.