1996 cherokee overfilled crankcase
11-23-2005, 08:38 AM
#21
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Re: 1996 cherokee overfilled crankcase
> i drained the oil myself (no documentation) and i've been to two
> autozone stores and amazingly, both stores were having problems with
> their computer.
> i'm hoping like hell it has nothing to do with the overfill but the
> black smoke and the fact these problems started a hundred miles after
> the oil glut leaves me with little hope.
> a simple friggin' oil change!! i feel like an idiot for not doing it
> myself and then for not draining it sooner.
> i'm gonna try another autozone today.
Do this, find out exactly how much oil is supposed to be used. Bring the
factory documentation that states it. Ask their service manager what amount
their database tells them to use. If they're different and their database
is erring on the high-side then you certainly have a reasonable case to
demand a refund, along with potentially an investigation as to what's caused
the problems you now have. Make it clear, you want the vehicle fixed and if
they won't that you'll file a claim against them for the work you'll have
done elsewhere.
What might be worse is they never bothered to actually drain the old oil and
ended up doubling the capacity. As always, when going in for an oil change
I find it's good to put a scratch of some sort on the existing oil filter
and check your oil level on the dipstick before going in. Then, after it's
done, look for the scratch on the filter and check the level again. There
have been plenty of sitations where the tech 'forgot' to replace the filter
or 'forgot' to actually remove the old oil. That and recheck the dipstick
level again when you get to your next destination, just to make sure they
didn't forget to put the drain plug back tightly.
Yes, you shouldn't have to do this yourself, but you're the one that owns
the vehicle, not them. You need to watch out for it yourself, sad to say,
because the techs often times won't. Usually they're not trying to cheat
you, they're just being stupid.
-Bill Kearney
> autozone stores and amazingly, both stores were having problems with
> their computer.
> i'm hoping like hell it has nothing to do with the overfill but the
> black smoke and the fact these problems started a hundred miles after
> the oil glut leaves me with little hope.
> a simple friggin' oil change!! i feel like an idiot for not doing it
> myself and then for not draining it sooner.
> i'm gonna try another autozone today.
Do this, find out exactly how much oil is supposed to be used. Bring the
factory documentation that states it. Ask their service manager what amount
their database tells them to use. If they're different and their database
is erring on the high-side then you certainly have a reasonable case to
demand a refund, along with potentially an investigation as to what's caused
the problems you now have. Make it clear, you want the vehicle fixed and if
they won't that you'll file a claim against them for the work you'll have
done elsewhere.
What might be worse is they never bothered to actually drain the old oil and
ended up doubling the capacity. As always, when going in for an oil change
I find it's good to put a scratch of some sort on the existing oil filter
and check your oil level on the dipstick before going in. Then, after it's
done, look for the scratch on the filter and check the level again. There
have been plenty of sitations where the tech 'forgot' to replace the filter
or 'forgot' to actually remove the old oil. That and recheck the dipstick
level again when you get to your next destination, just to make sure they
didn't forget to put the drain plug back tightly.
Yes, you shouldn't have to do this yourself, but you're the one that owns
the vehicle, not them. You need to watch out for it yourself, sad to say,
because the techs often times won't. Usually they're not trying to cheat
you, they're just being stupid.
-Bill Kearney
11-23-2005, 08:38 AM
#22
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Re: 1996 cherokee overfilled crankcase
> i drained the oil myself (no documentation) and i've been to two
> autozone stores and amazingly, both stores were having problems with
> their computer.
> i'm hoping like hell it has nothing to do with the overfill but the
> black smoke and the fact these problems started a hundred miles after
> the oil glut leaves me with little hope.
> a simple friggin' oil change!! i feel like an idiot for not doing it
> myself and then for not draining it sooner.
> i'm gonna try another autozone today.
Do this, find out exactly how much oil is supposed to be used. Bring the
factory documentation that states it. Ask their service manager what amount
their database tells them to use. If they're different and their database
is erring on the high-side then you certainly have a reasonable case to
demand a refund, along with potentially an investigation as to what's caused
the problems you now have. Make it clear, you want the vehicle fixed and if
they won't that you'll file a claim against them for the work you'll have
done elsewhere.
What might be worse is they never bothered to actually drain the old oil and
ended up doubling the capacity. As always, when going in for an oil change
I find it's good to put a scratch of some sort on the existing oil filter
and check your oil level on the dipstick before going in. Then, after it's
done, look for the scratch on the filter and check the level again. There
have been plenty of sitations where the tech 'forgot' to replace the filter
or 'forgot' to actually remove the old oil. That and recheck the dipstick
level again when you get to your next destination, just to make sure they
didn't forget to put the drain plug back tightly.
Yes, you shouldn't have to do this yourself, but you're the one that owns
the vehicle, not them. You need to watch out for it yourself, sad to say,
because the techs often times won't. Usually they're not trying to cheat
you, they're just being stupid.
-Bill Kearney
> autozone stores and amazingly, both stores were having problems with
> their computer.
> i'm hoping like hell it has nothing to do with the overfill but the
> black smoke and the fact these problems started a hundred miles after
> the oil glut leaves me with little hope.
> a simple friggin' oil change!! i feel like an idiot for not doing it
> myself and then for not draining it sooner.
> i'm gonna try another autozone today.
Do this, find out exactly how much oil is supposed to be used. Bring the
factory documentation that states it. Ask their service manager what amount
their database tells them to use. If they're different and their database
is erring on the high-side then you certainly have a reasonable case to
demand a refund, along with potentially an investigation as to what's caused
the problems you now have. Make it clear, you want the vehicle fixed and if
they won't that you'll file a claim against them for the work you'll have
done elsewhere.
What might be worse is they never bothered to actually drain the old oil and
ended up doubling the capacity. As always, when going in for an oil change
I find it's good to put a scratch of some sort on the existing oil filter
and check your oil level on the dipstick before going in. Then, after it's
done, look for the scratch on the filter and check the level again. There
have been plenty of sitations where the tech 'forgot' to replace the filter
or 'forgot' to actually remove the old oil. That and recheck the dipstick
level again when you get to your next destination, just to make sure they
didn't forget to put the drain plug back tightly.
Yes, you shouldn't have to do this yourself, but you're the one that owns
the vehicle, not them. You need to watch out for it yourself, sad to say,
because the techs often times won't. Usually they're not trying to cheat
you, they're just being stupid.
-Bill Kearney
11-23-2005, 03:02 PM
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Re: 1996 cherokee overfilled crankcase
As soon as you saw the black smoke, (oil is blue) you should have
drained the oil that was filled with unburned gasoline caused by the bad
injector you replaced. An oil level being too high is not a problem
unless the rods can kick enough of it up make if foam, and that's still
not a problem unless all the oil has been whip to foam so as the oil
pick up begins to suck only air.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
js wrote:
>
> i drained the oil myself (no documentation) and i've been to two
> autozone stores and amazingly, both stores were having problems with
> their computer.
> i'm hoping like hell it has nothing to do with the overfill but the
> black smoke and the fact these problems started a hundred miles after
> the oil glut leaves me with little hope.
> a simple friggin' oil change!! i feel like an idiot for not doing it
> myself and then for not draining it sooner.
> i'm gonna try another autozone today.
> the check engine light has been on since this happened. it went off
> yesterday for about 50 highway miles and came on again after restarting.
drained the oil that was filled with unburned gasoline caused by the bad
injector you replaced. An oil level being too high is not a problem
unless the rods can kick enough of it up make if foam, and that's still
not a problem unless all the oil has been whip to foam so as the oil
pick up begins to suck only air.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
js wrote:
>
> i drained the oil myself (no documentation) and i've been to two
> autozone stores and amazingly, both stores were having problems with
> their computer.
> i'm hoping like hell it has nothing to do with the overfill but the
> black smoke and the fact these problems started a hundred miles after
> the oil glut leaves me with little hope.
> a simple friggin' oil change!! i feel like an idiot for not doing it
> myself and then for not draining it sooner.
> i'm gonna try another autozone today.
> the check engine light has been on since this happened. it went off
> yesterday for about 50 highway miles and came on again after restarting.
11-23-2005, 03:02 PM
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Re: 1996 cherokee overfilled crankcase
As soon as you saw the black smoke, (oil is blue) you should have
drained the oil that was filled with unburned gasoline caused by the bad
injector you replaced. An oil level being too high is not a problem
unless the rods can kick enough of it up make if foam, and that's still
not a problem unless all the oil has been whip to foam so as the oil
pick up begins to suck only air.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
js wrote:
>
> i drained the oil myself (no documentation) and i've been to two
> autozone stores and amazingly, both stores were having problems with
> their computer.
> i'm hoping like hell it has nothing to do with the overfill but the
> black smoke and the fact these problems started a hundred miles after
> the oil glut leaves me with little hope.
> a simple friggin' oil change!! i feel like an idiot for not doing it
> myself and then for not draining it sooner.
> i'm gonna try another autozone today.
> the check engine light has been on since this happened. it went off
> yesterday for about 50 highway miles and came on again after restarting.
drained the oil that was filled with unburned gasoline caused by the bad
injector you replaced. An oil level being too high is not a problem
unless the rods can kick enough of it up make if foam, and that's still
not a problem unless all the oil has been whip to foam so as the oil
pick up begins to suck only air.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
js wrote:
>
> i drained the oil myself (no documentation) and i've been to two
> autozone stores and amazingly, both stores were having problems with
> their computer.
> i'm hoping like hell it has nothing to do with the overfill but the
> black smoke and the fact these problems started a hundred miles after
> the oil glut leaves me with little hope.
> a simple friggin' oil change!! i feel like an idiot for not doing it
> myself and then for not draining it sooner.
> i'm gonna try another autozone today.
> the check engine light has been on since this happened. it went off
> yesterday for about 50 highway miles and came on again after restarting.
11-23-2005, 03:02 PM
#25
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Re: 1996 cherokee overfilled crankcase
As soon as you saw the black smoke, (oil is blue) you should have
drained the oil that was filled with unburned gasoline caused by the bad
injector you replaced. An oil level being too high is not a problem
unless the rods can kick enough of it up make if foam, and that's still
not a problem unless all the oil has been whip to foam so as the oil
pick up begins to suck only air.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
js wrote:
>
> i drained the oil myself (no documentation) and i've been to two
> autozone stores and amazingly, both stores were having problems with
> their computer.
> i'm hoping like hell it has nothing to do with the overfill but the
> black smoke and the fact these problems started a hundred miles after
> the oil glut leaves me with little hope.
> a simple friggin' oil change!! i feel like an idiot for not doing it
> myself and then for not draining it sooner.
> i'm gonna try another autozone today.
> the check engine light has been on since this happened. it went off
> yesterday for about 50 highway miles and came on again after restarting.
drained the oil that was filled with unburned gasoline caused by the bad
injector you replaced. An oil level being too high is not a problem
unless the rods can kick enough of it up make if foam, and that's still
not a problem unless all the oil has been whip to foam so as the oil
pick up begins to suck only air.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
js wrote:
>
> i drained the oil myself (no documentation) and i've been to two
> autozone stores and amazingly, both stores were having problems with
> their computer.
> i'm hoping like hell it has nothing to do with the overfill but the
> black smoke and the fact these problems started a hundred miles after
> the oil glut leaves me with little hope.
> a simple friggin' oil change!! i feel like an idiot for not doing it
> myself and then for not draining it sooner.
> i'm gonna try another autozone today.
> the check engine light has been on since this happened. it went off
> yesterday for about 50 highway miles and came on again after restarting.
11-23-2005, 03:08 PM
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Re: 1996 cherokee overfilled crankcase
How much extra oil was installed?
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4384CACA.5F4E8F20@***.net...
> As soon as you saw the black smoke, (oil is blue) you should have
> drained the oil that was filled with unburned gasoline caused by the bad
> injector you replaced. An oil level being too high is not a problem
> unless the rods can kick enough of it up make if foam, and that's still
> not a problem unless all the oil has been whip to foam so as the oil
> pick up begins to suck only air.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> js wrote:
>>
>> i drained the oil myself (no documentation) and i've been to two
>> autozone stores and amazingly, both stores were having problems with
>> their computer.
>> i'm hoping like hell it has nothing to do with the overfill but the
>> black smoke and the fact these problems started a hundred miles after
>> the oil glut leaves me with little hope.
>> a simple friggin' oil change!! i feel like an idiot for not doing it
>> myself and then for not draining it sooner.
>> i'm gonna try another autozone today.
>> the check engine light has been on since this happened. it went off
>> yesterday for about 50 highway miles and came on again after restarting.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4384CACA.5F4E8F20@***.net...
> As soon as you saw the black smoke, (oil is blue) you should have
> drained the oil that was filled with unburned gasoline caused by the bad
> injector you replaced. An oil level being too high is not a problem
> unless the rods can kick enough of it up make if foam, and that's still
> not a problem unless all the oil has been whip to foam so as the oil
> pick up begins to suck only air.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> js wrote:
>>
>> i drained the oil myself (no documentation) and i've been to two
>> autozone stores and amazingly, both stores were having problems with
>> their computer.
>> i'm hoping like hell it has nothing to do with the overfill but the
>> black smoke and the fact these problems started a hundred miles after
>> the oil glut leaves me with little hope.
>> a simple friggin' oil change!! i feel like an idiot for not doing it
>> myself and then for not draining it sooner.
>> i'm gonna try another autozone today.
>> the check engine light has been on since this happened. it went off
>> yesterday for about 50 highway miles and came on again after restarting.
11-23-2005, 03:08 PM
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Re: 1996 cherokee overfilled crankcase
How much extra oil was installed?
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4384CACA.5F4E8F20@***.net...
> As soon as you saw the black smoke, (oil is blue) you should have
> drained the oil that was filled with unburned gasoline caused by the bad
> injector you replaced. An oil level being too high is not a problem
> unless the rods can kick enough of it up make if foam, and that's still
> not a problem unless all the oil has been whip to foam so as the oil
> pick up begins to suck only air.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> js wrote:
>>
>> i drained the oil myself (no documentation) and i've been to two
>> autozone stores and amazingly, both stores were having problems with
>> their computer.
>> i'm hoping like hell it has nothing to do with the overfill but the
>> black smoke and the fact these problems started a hundred miles after
>> the oil glut leaves me with little hope.
>> a simple friggin' oil change!! i feel like an idiot for not doing it
>> myself and then for not draining it sooner.
>> i'm gonna try another autozone today.
>> the check engine light has been on since this happened. it went off
>> yesterday for about 50 highway miles and came on again after restarting.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4384CACA.5F4E8F20@***.net...
> As soon as you saw the black smoke, (oil is blue) you should have
> drained the oil that was filled with unburned gasoline caused by the bad
> injector you replaced. An oil level being too high is not a problem
> unless the rods can kick enough of it up make if foam, and that's still
> not a problem unless all the oil has been whip to foam so as the oil
> pick up begins to suck only air.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> js wrote:
>>
>> i drained the oil myself (no documentation) and i've been to two
>> autozone stores and amazingly, both stores were having problems with
>> their computer.
>> i'm hoping like hell it has nothing to do with the overfill but the
>> black smoke and the fact these problems started a hundred miles after
>> the oil glut leaves me with little hope.
>> a simple friggin' oil change!! i feel like an idiot for not doing it
>> myself and then for not draining it sooner.
>> i'm gonna try another autozone today.
>> the check engine light has been on since this happened. it went off
>> yesterday for about 50 highway miles and came on again after restarting.
11-23-2005, 03:08 PM
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Re: 1996 cherokee overfilled crankcase
How much extra oil was installed?
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4384CACA.5F4E8F20@***.net...
> As soon as you saw the black smoke, (oil is blue) you should have
> drained the oil that was filled with unburned gasoline caused by the bad
> injector you replaced. An oil level being too high is not a problem
> unless the rods can kick enough of it up make if foam, and that's still
> not a problem unless all the oil has been whip to foam so as the oil
> pick up begins to suck only air.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> js wrote:
>>
>> i drained the oil myself (no documentation) and i've been to two
>> autozone stores and amazingly, both stores were having problems with
>> their computer.
>> i'm hoping like hell it has nothing to do with the overfill but the
>> black smoke and the fact these problems started a hundred miles after
>> the oil glut leaves me with little hope.
>> a simple friggin' oil change!! i feel like an idiot for not doing it
>> myself and then for not draining it sooner.
>> i'm gonna try another autozone today.
>> the check engine light has been on since this happened. it went off
>> yesterday for about 50 highway miles and came on again after restarting.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4384CACA.5F4E8F20@***.net...
> As soon as you saw the black smoke, (oil is blue) you should have
> drained the oil that was filled with unburned gasoline caused by the bad
> injector you replaced. An oil level being too high is not a problem
> unless the rods can kick enough of it up make if foam, and that's still
> not a problem unless all the oil has been whip to foam so as the oil
> pick up begins to suck only air.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> js wrote:
>>
>> i drained the oil myself (no documentation) and i've been to two
>> autozone stores and amazingly, both stores were having problems with
>> their computer.
>> i'm hoping like hell it has nothing to do with the overfill but the
>> black smoke and the fact these problems started a hundred miles after
>> the oil glut leaves me with little hope.
>> a simple friggin' oil change!! i feel like an idiot for not doing it
>> myself and then for not draining it sooner.
>> i'm gonna try another autozone today.
>> the check engine light has been on since this happened. it went off
>> yesterday for about 50 highway miles and came on again after restarting.
11-23-2005, 03:39 PM
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Re: 1996 cherokee overfilled crankcase
Hi Bill,
The troll never said what was on the stick or invoice, which should
have at least two attendants initials as done. And we know black smoke
is a fuel problem.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> How much extra oil was installed?
The troll never said what was on the stick or invoice, which should
have at least two attendants initials as done. And we know black smoke
is a fuel problem.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> How much extra oil was installed?
11-23-2005, 03:39 PM
#30
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Re: 1996 cherokee overfilled crankcase
Hi Bill,
The troll never said what was on the stick or invoice, which should
have at least two attendants initials as done. And we know black smoke
is a fuel problem.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> How much extra oil was installed?
The troll never said what was on the stick or invoice, which should
have at least two attendants initials as done. And we know black smoke
is a fuel problem.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Billy Ray wrote:
>
> How much extra oil was installed?