1994 YJ Axle
04-20-2007, 03:29 PM
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Re: 1994 YJ Axle
On Apr 20, 3:25 pm, "Earle Horton" <graci...@usa.com> wrote:
> <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1177096490.127952.213540@l77g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 20, 2:12 pm, "Earle Horton" <graci...@usa.com> wrote:
> > > It depends on what kind of noise, how loud, how soon you stopped driving
> it,
> > > and how you had it towed home. Dolly or on its own rear or front
> wheels? I
> > > had one in an old van start howling in the middle of Ohio on the
> Interstate,
> > > pulled into a truck stop, put Super Glue on the nut, torqued it to more
> or
> > > less the right torque, and it was good to go for years.
>
> > > Your D35 has a crush sleeve that is used to set the bearing preload and
> > > allow proper tightness on the pinion nut at the same time. There is a
> > > proper procedure to follow, so it doesn't loosen up like yours did.
> > > Sometimes they recommend a new nut, if it is a lock nut, or at least
> > > chemical thread locker. I can tell you that Super Glue works great.
>
> > > You may get by with new bearings, or even tightening the nut properly.
> On
> > > the other hand, you might have cooked the ring and pinion gears. Hard
> to
> > > tell without opening it up.
>
> > > Earle
>
> > > <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:1177091653.687199.260190@b75g2000hsg.googleg roups.com...
>
> > > > On Apr 20, 1:24 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > > When that happened to mine due to a so called 'Jeep' shop changing
> the
> > > > > yoke, I had a 'real' machine shop fix it properly. Mine needed all
> new
> > > > > bearings, seals and the proper shims. Ran about $500.00 for my Dana
> 44.
>
> > > > > Repairing a part like that is best left to the professionals in my
> > > opinion.
>
> > > > > If yours is the 35 C rear end, I would check with the local Jeep or
> 4x4
> > > > > clubs because lots of folks upgrade from those so extras should be
> > > > > kicking around cheap. Or maybe they only upgrade after they break
> it?
>
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> > > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> > > > > dmschu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > Hello all!
>
> > > > > > It's finally warming up here in Buffalo, NY, and it's got me
> thinking
> > > > > > about fixing the jeep after having it garaged for the past two
> years.
> > > > > > Before I do anything, I though I'd start by asking for advice
> here.
>
> > > > > > The jeep is a 94 YJ, 4.0l. The problem is with the rear axle.
> After
> > > > > > having the pinion seal replaced, the pinion nut came loose on the
> > > > > > highway at about 55mph. It made some bad noises...
>
> > > > > > My question is what is the best approach to fix it? I can think of
> the
> > > > > > following options, but am not sure what the best would be:
>
> > > > > > 1. Purchase a new axle. probably costly - around $1000?
>
> > > > > > 2. rebuild the one I have. couple hundred? special tools?
> something I
> > > > > > can do myself?
>
> > > > > > 3. purchase a used one. might be the affordable way to go, but
> what
> > > > > > is the downside?
>
> > > > > > Thanks for any advice, and if anyone in the western new york
> region
> > > > > > has an axle (dana 35, 3.07 gears) laying aroung, let me know!
>
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Doug- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Thanks Mike. It didn't look like something I'd want to dig into
> > > > without the
> > > > right tools. Do you think that much damage would have been done to
> > > > the
> > > > point where the existing axle can't be rebuilt?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
> > which
> > was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
> > shaft,
> > tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
> > home
> > (less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
> > of the
> > differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
> > chipped teeth,
> > no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
>
> > What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
> > the pinion nut to
> > where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
> > happens.
>
> > Thoughts?
>
> I would recommend Loc-Tite high strength thread locker or a similar product.
> Clean the threads with acetone to make sure the stuff sticks. You may want
> to invest in a new pinion nut. You have time to shop for the correct
> materials and parts, where I didn't. Did it make noise while you were
> driving it home? If it still made noise, then the damage is done, most
> probably to the ring and pinion. If it is quiet with the pinion tightened
> properly, then you may be lucky.
>
> Earle- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well, maybe for a change I'll have some good luck!
It was nice & quiet on the way home. I'll post an update tomorrow
afternoon.
Doug
> <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1177096490.127952.213540@l77g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 20, 2:12 pm, "Earle Horton" <graci...@usa.com> wrote:
> > > It depends on what kind of noise, how loud, how soon you stopped driving
> it,
> > > and how you had it towed home. Dolly or on its own rear or front
> wheels? I
> > > had one in an old van start howling in the middle of Ohio on the
> Interstate,
> > > pulled into a truck stop, put Super Glue on the nut, torqued it to more
> or
> > > less the right torque, and it was good to go for years.
>
> > > Your D35 has a crush sleeve that is used to set the bearing preload and
> > > allow proper tightness on the pinion nut at the same time. There is a
> > > proper procedure to follow, so it doesn't loosen up like yours did.
> > > Sometimes they recommend a new nut, if it is a lock nut, or at least
> > > chemical thread locker. I can tell you that Super Glue works great.
>
> > > You may get by with new bearings, or even tightening the nut properly.
> On
> > > the other hand, you might have cooked the ring and pinion gears. Hard
> to
> > > tell without opening it up.
>
> > > Earle
>
> > > <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:1177091653.687199.260190@b75g2000hsg.googleg roups.com...
>
> > > > On Apr 20, 1:24 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > > When that happened to mine due to a so called 'Jeep' shop changing
> the
> > > > > yoke, I had a 'real' machine shop fix it properly. Mine needed all
> new
> > > > > bearings, seals and the proper shims. Ran about $500.00 for my Dana
> 44.
>
> > > > > Repairing a part like that is best left to the professionals in my
> > > opinion.
>
> > > > > If yours is the 35 C rear end, I would check with the local Jeep or
> 4x4
> > > > > clubs because lots of folks upgrade from those so extras should be
> > > > > kicking around cheap. Or maybe they only upgrade after they break
> it?
>
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> > > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> > > > > dmschu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > Hello all!
>
> > > > > > It's finally warming up here in Buffalo, NY, and it's got me
> thinking
> > > > > > about fixing the jeep after having it garaged for the past two
> years.
> > > > > > Before I do anything, I though I'd start by asking for advice
> here.
>
> > > > > > The jeep is a 94 YJ, 4.0l. The problem is with the rear axle.
> After
> > > > > > having the pinion seal replaced, the pinion nut came loose on the
> > > > > > highway at about 55mph. It made some bad noises...
>
> > > > > > My question is what is the best approach to fix it? I can think of
> the
> > > > > > following options, but am not sure what the best would be:
>
> > > > > > 1. Purchase a new axle. probably costly - around $1000?
>
> > > > > > 2. rebuild the one I have. couple hundred? special tools?
> something I
> > > > > > can do myself?
>
> > > > > > 3. purchase a used one. might be the affordable way to go, but
> what
> > > > > > is the downside?
>
> > > > > > Thanks for any advice, and if anyone in the western new york
> region
> > > > > > has an axle (dana 35, 3.07 gears) laying aroung, let me know!
>
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Doug- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Thanks Mike. It didn't look like something I'd want to dig into
> > > > without the
> > > > right tools. Do you think that much damage would have been done to
> > > > the
> > > > point where the existing axle can't be rebuilt?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
> > which
> > was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
> > shaft,
> > tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
> > home
> > (less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
> > of the
> > differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
> > chipped teeth,
> > no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
>
> > What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
> > the pinion nut to
> > where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
> > happens.
>
> > Thoughts?
>
> I would recommend Loc-Tite high strength thread locker or a similar product.
> Clean the threads with acetone to make sure the stuff sticks. You may want
> to invest in a new pinion nut. You have time to shop for the correct
> materials and parts, where I didn't. Did it make noise while you were
> driving it home? If it still made noise, then the damage is done, most
> probably to the ring and pinion. If it is quiet with the pinion tightened
> properly, then you may be lucky.
>
> Earle- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well, maybe for a change I'll have some good luck!
It was nice & quiet on the way home. I'll post an update tomorrow
afternoon.
Doug
04-20-2007, 03:29 PM
#32
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Re: 1994 YJ Axle
On Apr 20, 3:25 pm, "Earle Horton" <graci...@usa.com> wrote:
> <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1177096490.127952.213540@l77g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 20, 2:12 pm, "Earle Horton" <graci...@usa.com> wrote:
> > > It depends on what kind of noise, how loud, how soon you stopped driving
> it,
> > > and how you had it towed home. Dolly or on its own rear or front
> wheels? I
> > > had one in an old van start howling in the middle of Ohio on the
> Interstate,
> > > pulled into a truck stop, put Super Glue on the nut, torqued it to more
> or
> > > less the right torque, and it was good to go for years.
>
> > > Your D35 has a crush sleeve that is used to set the bearing preload and
> > > allow proper tightness on the pinion nut at the same time. There is a
> > > proper procedure to follow, so it doesn't loosen up like yours did.
> > > Sometimes they recommend a new nut, if it is a lock nut, or at least
> > > chemical thread locker. I can tell you that Super Glue works great.
>
> > > You may get by with new bearings, or even tightening the nut properly.
> On
> > > the other hand, you might have cooked the ring and pinion gears. Hard
> to
> > > tell without opening it up.
>
> > > Earle
>
> > > <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:1177091653.687199.260190@b75g2000hsg.googleg roups.com...
>
> > > > On Apr 20, 1:24 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > > When that happened to mine due to a so called 'Jeep' shop changing
> the
> > > > > yoke, I had a 'real' machine shop fix it properly. Mine needed all
> new
> > > > > bearings, seals and the proper shims. Ran about $500.00 for my Dana
> 44.
>
> > > > > Repairing a part like that is best left to the professionals in my
> > > opinion.
>
> > > > > If yours is the 35 C rear end, I would check with the local Jeep or
> 4x4
> > > > > clubs because lots of folks upgrade from those so extras should be
> > > > > kicking around cheap. Or maybe they only upgrade after they break
> it?
>
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> > > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> > > > > dmschu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > Hello all!
>
> > > > > > It's finally warming up here in Buffalo, NY, and it's got me
> thinking
> > > > > > about fixing the jeep after having it garaged for the past two
> years.
> > > > > > Before I do anything, I though I'd start by asking for advice
> here.
>
> > > > > > The jeep is a 94 YJ, 4.0l. The problem is with the rear axle.
> After
> > > > > > having the pinion seal replaced, the pinion nut came loose on the
> > > > > > highway at about 55mph. It made some bad noises...
>
> > > > > > My question is what is the best approach to fix it? I can think of
> the
> > > > > > following options, but am not sure what the best would be:
>
> > > > > > 1. Purchase a new axle. probably costly - around $1000?
>
> > > > > > 2. rebuild the one I have. couple hundred? special tools?
> something I
> > > > > > can do myself?
>
> > > > > > 3. purchase a used one. might be the affordable way to go, but
> what
> > > > > > is the downside?
>
> > > > > > Thanks for any advice, and if anyone in the western new york
> region
> > > > > > has an axle (dana 35, 3.07 gears) laying aroung, let me know!
>
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Doug- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Thanks Mike. It didn't look like something I'd want to dig into
> > > > without the
> > > > right tools. Do you think that much damage would have been done to
> > > > the
> > > > point where the existing axle can't be rebuilt?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
> > which
> > was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
> > shaft,
> > tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
> > home
> > (less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
> > of the
> > differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
> > chipped teeth,
> > no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
>
> > What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
> > the pinion nut to
> > where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
> > happens.
>
> > Thoughts?
>
> I would recommend Loc-Tite high strength thread locker or a similar product.
> Clean the threads with acetone to make sure the stuff sticks. You may want
> to invest in a new pinion nut. You have time to shop for the correct
> materials and parts, where I didn't. Did it make noise while you were
> driving it home? If it still made noise, then the damage is done, most
> probably to the ring and pinion. If it is quiet with the pinion tightened
> properly, then you may be lucky.
>
> Earle- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well, maybe for a change I'll have some good luck!
It was nice & quiet on the way home. I'll post an update tomorrow
afternoon.
Doug
> <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1177096490.127952.213540@l77g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 20, 2:12 pm, "Earle Horton" <graci...@usa.com> wrote:
> > > It depends on what kind of noise, how loud, how soon you stopped driving
> it,
> > > and how you had it towed home. Dolly or on its own rear or front
> wheels? I
> > > had one in an old van start howling in the middle of Ohio on the
> Interstate,
> > > pulled into a truck stop, put Super Glue on the nut, torqued it to more
> or
> > > less the right torque, and it was good to go for years.
>
> > > Your D35 has a crush sleeve that is used to set the bearing preload and
> > > allow proper tightness on the pinion nut at the same time. There is a
> > > proper procedure to follow, so it doesn't loosen up like yours did.
> > > Sometimes they recommend a new nut, if it is a lock nut, or at least
> > > chemical thread locker. I can tell you that Super Glue works great.
>
> > > You may get by with new bearings, or even tightening the nut properly.
> On
> > > the other hand, you might have cooked the ring and pinion gears. Hard
> to
> > > tell without opening it up.
>
> > > Earle
>
> > > <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:1177091653.687199.260190@b75g2000hsg.googleg roups.com...
>
> > > > On Apr 20, 1:24 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > > When that happened to mine due to a so called 'Jeep' shop changing
> the
> > > > > yoke, I had a 'real' machine shop fix it properly. Mine needed all
> new
> > > > > bearings, seals and the proper shims. Ran about $500.00 for my Dana
> 44.
>
> > > > > Repairing a part like that is best left to the professionals in my
> > > opinion.
>
> > > > > If yours is the 35 C rear end, I would check with the local Jeep or
> 4x4
> > > > > clubs because lots of folks upgrade from those so extras should be
> > > > > kicking around cheap. Or maybe they only upgrade after they break
> it?
>
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> > > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> > > > > dmschu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > Hello all!
>
> > > > > > It's finally warming up here in Buffalo, NY, and it's got me
> thinking
> > > > > > about fixing the jeep after having it garaged for the past two
> years.
> > > > > > Before I do anything, I though I'd start by asking for advice
> here.
>
> > > > > > The jeep is a 94 YJ, 4.0l. The problem is with the rear axle.
> After
> > > > > > having the pinion seal replaced, the pinion nut came loose on the
> > > > > > highway at about 55mph. It made some bad noises...
>
> > > > > > My question is what is the best approach to fix it? I can think of
> the
> > > > > > following options, but am not sure what the best would be:
>
> > > > > > 1. Purchase a new axle. probably costly - around $1000?
>
> > > > > > 2. rebuild the one I have. couple hundred? special tools?
> something I
> > > > > > can do myself?
>
> > > > > > 3. purchase a used one. might be the affordable way to go, but
> what
> > > > > > is the downside?
>
> > > > > > Thanks for any advice, and if anyone in the western new york
> region
> > > > > > has an axle (dana 35, 3.07 gears) laying aroung, let me know!
>
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Doug- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Thanks Mike. It didn't look like something I'd want to dig into
> > > > without the
> > > > right tools. Do you think that much damage would have been done to
> > > > the
> > > > point where the existing axle can't be rebuilt?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
> > which
> > was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
> > shaft,
> > tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
> > home
> > (less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
> > of the
> > differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
> > chipped teeth,
> > no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
>
> > What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
> > the pinion nut to
> > where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
> > happens.
>
> > Thoughts?
>
> I would recommend Loc-Tite high strength thread locker or a similar product.
> Clean the threads with acetone to make sure the stuff sticks. You may want
> to invest in a new pinion nut. You have time to shop for the correct
> materials and parts, where I didn't. Did it make noise while you were
> driving it home? If it still made noise, then the damage is done, most
> probably to the ring and pinion. If it is quiet with the pinion tightened
> properly, then you may be lucky.
>
> Earle- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well, maybe for a change I'll have some good luck!
It was nice & quiet on the way home. I'll post an update tomorrow
afternoon.
Doug
04-20-2007, 03:29 PM
#33
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 1994 YJ Axle
On Apr 20, 3:25 pm, "Earle Horton" <graci...@usa.com> wrote:
> <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1177096490.127952.213540@l77g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 20, 2:12 pm, "Earle Horton" <graci...@usa.com> wrote:
> > > It depends on what kind of noise, how loud, how soon you stopped driving
> it,
> > > and how you had it towed home. Dolly or on its own rear or front
> wheels? I
> > > had one in an old van start howling in the middle of Ohio on the
> Interstate,
> > > pulled into a truck stop, put Super Glue on the nut, torqued it to more
> or
> > > less the right torque, and it was good to go for years.
>
> > > Your D35 has a crush sleeve that is used to set the bearing preload and
> > > allow proper tightness on the pinion nut at the same time. There is a
> > > proper procedure to follow, so it doesn't loosen up like yours did.
> > > Sometimes they recommend a new nut, if it is a lock nut, or at least
> > > chemical thread locker. I can tell you that Super Glue works great.
>
> > > You may get by with new bearings, or even tightening the nut properly.
> On
> > > the other hand, you might have cooked the ring and pinion gears. Hard
> to
> > > tell without opening it up.
>
> > > Earle
>
> > > <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:1177091653.687199.260190@b75g2000hsg.googleg roups.com...
>
> > > > On Apr 20, 1:24 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > > When that happened to mine due to a so called 'Jeep' shop changing
> the
> > > > > yoke, I had a 'real' machine shop fix it properly. Mine needed all
> new
> > > > > bearings, seals and the proper shims. Ran about $500.00 for my Dana
> 44.
>
> > > > > Repairing a part like that is best left to the professionals in my
> > > opinion.
>
> > > > > If yours is the 35 C rear end, I would check with the local Jeep or
> 4x4
> > > > > clubs because lots of folks upgrade from those so extras should be
> > > > > kicking around cheap. Or maybe they only upgrade after they break
> it?
>
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> > > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> > > > > dmschu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > Hello all!
>
> > > > > > It's finally warming up here in Buffalo, NY, and it's got me
> thinking
> > > > > > about fixing the jeep after having it garaged for the past two
> years.
> > > > > > Before I do anything, I though I'd start by asking for advice
> here.
>
> > > > > > The jeep is a 94 YJ, 4.0l. The problem is with the rear axle.
> After
> > > > > > having the pinion seal replaced, the pinion nut came loose on the
> > > > > > highway at about 55mph. It made some bad noises...
>
> > > > > > My question is what is the best approach to fix it? I can think of
> the
> > > > > > following options, but am not sure what the best would be:
>
> > > > > > 1. Purchase a new axle. probably costly - around $1000?
>
> > > > > > 2. rebuild the one I have. couple hundred? special tools?
> something I
> > > > > > can do myself?
>
> > > > > > 3. purchase a used one. might be the affordable way to go, but
> what
> > > > > > is the downside?
>
> > > > > > Thanks for any advice, and if anyone in the western new york
> region
> > > > > > has an axle (dana 35, 3.07 gears) laying aroung, let me know!
>
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Doug- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Thanks Mike. It didn't look like something I'd want to dig into
> > > > without the
> > > > right tools. Do you think that much damage would have been done to
> > > > the
> > > > point where the existing axle can't be rebuilt?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
> > which
> > was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
> > shaft,
> > tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
> > home
> > (less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
> > of the
> > differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
> > chipped teeth,
> > no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
>
> > What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
> > the pinion nut to
> > where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
> > happens.
>
> > Thoughts?
>
> I would recommend Loc-Tite high strength thread locker or a similar product.
> Clean the threads with acetone to make sure the stuff sticks. You may want
> to invest in a new pinion nut. You have time to shop for the correct
> materials and parts, where I didn't. Did it make noise while you were
> driving it home? If it still made noise, then the damage is done, most
> probably to the ring and pinion. If it is quiet with the pinion tightened
> properly, then you may be lucky.
>
> Earle- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well, maybe for a change I'll have some good luck!
It was nice & quiet on the way home. I'll post an update tomorrow
afternoon.
Doug
> <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1177096490.127952.213540@l77g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 20, 2:12 pm, "Earle Horton" <graci...@usa.com> wrote:
> > > It depends on what kind of noise, how loud, how soon you stopped driving
> it,
> > > and how you had it towed home. Dolly or on its own rear or front
> wheels? I
> > > had one in an old van start howling in the middle of Ohio on the
> Interstate,
> > > pulled into a truck stop, put Super Glue on the nut, torqued it to more
> or
> > > less the right torque, and it was good to go for years.
>
> > > Your D35 has a crush sleeve that is used to set the bearing preload and
> > > allow proper tightness on the pinion nut at the same time. There is a
> > > proper procedure to follow, so it doesn't loosen up like yours did.
> > > Sometimes they recommend a new nut, if it is a lock nut, or at least
> > > chemical thread locker. I can tell you that Super Glue works great.
>
> > > You may get by with new bearings, or even tightening the nut properly.
> On
> > > the other hand, you might have cooked the ring and pinion gears. Hard
> to
> > > tell without opening it up.
>
> > > Earle
>
> > > <dmschu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:1177091653.687199.260190@b75g2000hsg.googleg roups.com...
>
> > > > On Apr 20, 1:24 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > > When that happened to mine due to a so called 'Jeep' shop changing
> the
> > > > > yoke, I had a 'real' machine shop fix it properly. Mine needed all
> new
> > > > > bearings, seals and the proper shims. Ran about $500.00 for my Dana
> 44.
>
> > > > > Repairing a part like that is best left to the professionals in my
> > > opinion.
>
> > > > > If yours is the 35 C rear end, I would check with the local Jeep or
> 4x4
> > > > > clubs because lots of folks upgrade from those so extras should be
> > > > > kicking around cheap. Or maybe they only upgrade after they break
> it?
>
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > > > Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> > > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> > > > > dmschu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > Hello all!
>
> > > > > > It's finally warming up here in Buffalo, NY, and it's got me
> thinking
> > > > > > about fixing the jeep after having it garaged for the past two
> years.
> > > > > > Before I do anything, I though I'd start by asking for advice
> here.
>
> > > > > > The jeep is a 94 YJ, 4.0l. The problem is with the rear axle.
> After
> > > > > > having the pinion seal replaced, the pinion nut came loose on the
> > > > > > highway at about 55mph. It made some bad noises...
>
> > > > > > My question is what is the best approach to fix it? I can think of
> the
> > > > > > following options, but am not sure what the best would be:
>
> > > > > > 1. Purchase a new axle. probably costly - around $1000?
>
> > > > > > 2. rebuild the one I have. couple hundred? special tools?
> something I
> > > > > > can do myself?
>
> > > > > > 3. purchase a used one. might be the affordable way to go, but
> what
> > > > > > is the downside?
>
> > > > > > Thanks for any advice, and if anyone in the western new york
> region
> > > > > > has an axle (dana 35, 3.07 gears) laying aroung, let me know!
>
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Doug- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Thanks Mike. It didn't look like something I'd want to dig into
> > > > without the
> > > > right tools. Do you think that much damage would have been done to
> > > > the
> > > > point where the existing axle can't be rebuilt?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
> > which
> > was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
> > shaft,
> > tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
> > home
> > (less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
> > of the
> > differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
> > chipped teeth,
> > no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
>
> > What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
> > the pinion nut to
> > where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
> > happens.
>
> > Thoughts?
>
> I would recommend Loc-Tite high strength thread locker or a similar product.
> Clean the threads with acetone to make sure the stuff sticks. You may want
> to invest in a new pinion nut. You have time to shop for the correct
> materials and parts, where I didn't. Did it make noise while you were
> driving it home? If it still made noise, then the damage is done, most
> probably to the ring and pinion. If it is quiet with the pinion tightened
> properly, then you may be lucky.
>
> Earle- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Well, maybe for a change I'll have some good luck!
It was nice & quiet on the way home. I'll post an update tomorrow
afternoon.
Doug
04-20-2007, 04:17 PM
#34
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Posts: n/a
Re: 1994 YJ Axle
dmschuler@gmail.com wrote:
.......
>
> As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
> which
> was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
> shaft,
> tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
> home
> (less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
> of the
> differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
> chipped teeth,
> no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
>
> What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
> the pinion nut to
> where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
> happens.
>
> Thoughts?
What do you have to lose? I would advise you to get a new crush sleeve and
nut. The crush sleeve is a one time use item and cheap. Replace the
sleeve and nut, torque it to spec, then see what happens. From your
description, I am assuming there was no collection of metal bits in the
case when you opened it up so I would guess you have a better than even
chance of salvaging it. As I said, what have you got to lose?
--
Will Honea
.......
>
> As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
> which
> was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
> shaft,
> tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
> home
> (less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
> of the
> differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
> chipped teeth,
> no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
>
> What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
> the pinion nut to
> where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
> happens.
>
> Thoughts?
What do you have to lose? I would advise you to get a new crush sleeve and
nut. The crush sleeve is a one time use item and cheap. Replace the
sleeve and nut, torque it to spec, then see what happens. From your
description, I am assuming there was no collection of metal bits in the
case when you opened it up so I would guess you have a better than even
chance of salvaging it. As I said, what have you got to lose?
--
Will Honea
04-20-2007, 04:17 PM
#35
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Posts: n/a
Re: 1994 YJ Axle
dmschuler@gmail.com wrote:
.......
>
> As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
> which
> was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
> shaft,
> tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
> home
> (less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
> of the
> differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
> chipped teeth,
> no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
>
> What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
> the pinion nut to
> where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
> happens.
>
> Thoughts?
What do you have to lose? I would advise you to get a new crush sleeve and
nut. The crush sleeve is a one time use item and cheap. Replace the
sleeve and nut, torque it to spec, then see what happens. From your
description, I am assuming there was no collection of metal bits in the
case when you opened it up so I would guess you have a better than even
chance of salvaging it. As I said, what have you got to lose?
--
Will Honea
.......
>
> As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
> which
> was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
> shaft,
> tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
> home
> (less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
> of the
> differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
> chipped teeth,
> no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
>
> What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
> the pinion nut to
> where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
> happens.
>
> Thoughts?
What do you have to lose? I would advise you to get a new crush sleeve and
nut. The crush sleeve is a one time use item and cheap. Replace the
sleeve and nut, torque it to spec, then see what happens. From your
description, I am assuming there was no collection of metal bits in the
case when you opened it up so I would guess you have a better than even
chance of salvaging it. As I said, what have you got to lose?
--
Will Honea
04-20-2007, 04:17 PM
#36
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Posts: n/a
Re: 1994 YJ Axle
dmschuler@gmail.com wrote:
.......
>
> As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
> which
> was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
> shaft,
> tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
> home
> (less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
> of the
> differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
> chipped teeth,
> no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
>
> What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
> the pinion nut to
> where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
> happens.
>
> Thoughts?
What do you have to lose? I would advise you to get a new crush sleeve and
nut. The crush sleeve is a one time use item and cheap. Replace the
sleeve and nut, torque it to spec, then see what happens. From your
description, I am assuming there was no collection of metal bits in the
case when you opened it up so I would guess you have a better than even
chance of salvaging it. As I said, what have you got to lose?
--
Will Honea
.......
>
> As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
> which
> was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
> shaft,
> tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
> home
> (less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
> of the
> differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
> chipped teeth,
> no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
>
> What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
> the pinion nut to
> where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
> happens.
>
> Thoughts?
What do you have to lose? I would advise you to get a new crush sleeve and
nut. The crush sleeve is a one time use item and cheap. Replace the
sleeve and nut, torque it to spec, then see what happens. From your
description, I am assuming there was no collection of metal bits in the
case when you opened it up so I would guess you have a better than even
chance of salvaging it. As I said, what have you got to lose?
--
Will Honea
04-20-2007, 04:17 PM
#37
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Posts: n/a
Re: 1994 YJ Axle
dmschuler@gmail.com wrote:
.......
>
> As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
> which
> was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
> shaft,
> tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
> home
> (less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
> of the
> differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
> chipped teeth,
> no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
>
> What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
> the pinion nut to
> where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
> happens.
>
> Thoughts?
What do you have to lose? I would advise you to get a new crush sleeve and
nut. The crush sleeve is a one time use item and cheap. Replace the
sleeve and nut, torque it to spec, then see what happens. From your
description, I am assuming there was no collection of metal bits in the
case when you opened it up so I would guess you have a better than even
chance of salvaging it. As I said, what have you got to lose?
--
Will Honea
.......
>
> As soon as it started making the noise, I pulled off at the next exit,
> which
> was about 1/4 mile. In the parking lot I took off the rear drive
> shaft,
> tightened the pinion nut so the pinion was secure, and then drove
> home
> (less than one mile) with the front axle engaged. Looking at the guts
> of the
> differential, it all looks ok as far as I can tell. There are no
> chipped teeth,
> no metal chucks in the oil, etc. as far as the bearings, I can't tell.
>
> What harm would it do if I just put it all back together and torqued
> the pinion nut to
> where it should be. I'll add a drop or two of super glue and see what
> happens.
>
> Thoughts?
What do you have to lose? I would advise you to get a new crush sleeve and
nut. The crush sleeve is a one time use item and cheap. Replace the
sleeve and nut, torque it to spec, then see what happens. From your
description, I am assuming there was no collection of metal bits in the
case when you opened it up so I would guess you have a better than even
chance of salvaging it. As I said, what have you got to lose?
--
Will Honea
04-20-2007, 05:46 PM
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Re: 1994 YJ Axle
Ditto.
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"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> What do you have to lose? I would advise you to get a new crush sleeve
and
> nut. The crush sleeve is a one time use item and cheap. Replace the
> sleeve and nut, torque it to spec, then see what happens. From your
> description, I am assuming there was no collection of metal bits in the
> case when you opened it up so I would guess you have a better than even
> chance of salvaging it. As I said, what have you got to lose?
>
> --
> Will Honea
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"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> What do you have to lose? I would advise you to get a new crush sleeve
and
> nut. The crush sleeve is a one time use item and cheap. Replace the
> sleeve and nut, torque it to spec, then see what happens. From your
> description, I am assuming there was no collection of metal bits in the
> case when you opened it up so I would guess you have a better than even
> chance of salvaging it. As I said, what have you got to lose?
>
> --
> Will Honea
--
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Re: 1994 YJ Axle
Ditto.
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"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> What do you have to lose? I would advise you to get a new crush sleeve
and
> nut. The crush sleeve is a one time use item and cheap. Replace the
> sleeve and nut, torque it to spec, then see what happens. From your
> description, I am assuming there was no collection of metal bits in the
> case when you opened it up so I would guess you have a better than even
> chance of salvaging it. As I said, what have you got to lose?
>
> --
> Will Honea
--
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"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> What do you have to lose? I would advise you to get a new crush sleeve
and
> nut. The crush sleeve is a one time use item and cheap. Replace the
> sleeve and nut, torque it to spec, then see what happens. From your
> description, I am assuming there was no collection of metal bits in the
> case when you opened it up so I would guess you have a better than even
> chance of salvaging it. As I said, what have you got to lose?
>
> --
> Will Honea
--
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Re: 1994 YJ Axle
Ditto.
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"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:46291fdf$0$496$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
>
> What do you have to lose? I would advise you to get a new crush sleeve
and
> nut. The crush sleeve is a one time use item and cheap. Replace the
> sleeve and nut, torque it to spec, then see what happens. From your
> description, I am assuming there was no collection of metal bits in the
> case when you opened it up so I would guess you have a better than even
> chance of salvaging it. As I said, what have you got to lose?
>
> --
> Will Honea
--
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mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:46291fdf$0$496$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
>
> What do you have to lose? I would advise you to get a new crush sleeve
and
> nut. The crush sleeve is a one time use item and cheap. Replace the
> sleeve and nut, torque it to spec, then see what happens. From your
> description, I am assuming there was no collection of metal bits in the
> case when you opened it up so I would guess you have a better than even
> chance of salvaging it. As I said, what have you got to lose?
>
> --
> Will Honea
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