Re: 1993 GC Limited - I Miss My Jeep!!
 

>The only CPS's 'I' am familiar with just bolt in. There are no
>spacers. I haven't seen that many though.
>
>Mike

Sorry about the wording. Spacer, shim, whatever. It's a small piece of
paper-like material they use just to install the CPS.

I didn't know there were different ones either, but the two mechanics
currently working on it showed me the difference and the one I have. I
really wish I had the other one.

I still want to know how one mechanic can say the CPS is bad and the
other says it is fine... and they are both using the same diagnostic
tools to test them. I am downright suspicious of all dealership
mechanics (past bad experiences at dealerships) that he really is just
surmising that is the problem from experience, but /shrug. It's been
replaced once already. I would think master techs know how to put one
in and not damamge it (or anything else).

Truthfully, right now I really don't care about anything except
someone fixing it. I've already reached my limit on patience with the
pointing fingers and no resolution. Either I get it back working the
end of this month, or the insurance company of the guy who hit me is
going to have to replace it. Otherwise I am starting by camping out on
the insurance co's front lawn with nasty signs and going from there.

Re: 1993 GC Limited - I Miss My Jeep!!
 

>The only CPS's 'I' am familiar with just bolt in. There are no
>spacers. I haven't seen that many though.
>
>Mike

Sorry about the wording. Spacer, shim, whatever. It's a small piece of
paper-like material they use just to install the CPS.

I didn't know there were different ones either, but the two mechanics
currently working on it showed me the difference and the one I have. I
really wish I had the other one.

I still want to know how one mechanic can say the CPS is bad and the
other says it is fine... and they are both using the same diagnostic
tools to test them. I am downright suspicious of all dealership
mechanics (past bad experiences at dealerships) that he really is just
surmising that is the problem from experience, but /shrug. It's been
replaced once already. I would think master techs know how to put one
in and not damamge it (or anything else).

Truthfully, right now I really don't care about anything except
someone fixing it. I've already reached my limit on patience with the
pointing fingers and no resolution. Either I get it back working the
end of this month, or the insurance company of the guy who hit me is
going to have to replace it. Otherwise I am starting by camping out on
the insurance co's front lawn with nasty signs and going from there.

Re: 1993 GC Limited - I Miss My Jeep!!
 

>The only CPS's 'I' am familiar with just bolt in. There are no
>spacers. I haven't seen that many though.
>
>Mike

Sorry about the wording. Spacer, shim, whatever. It's a small piece of
paper-like material they use just to install the CPS.

I didn't know there were different ones either, but the two mechanics
currently working on it showed me the difference and the one I have. I
really wish I had the other one.

I still want to know how one mechanic can say the CPS is bad and the
other says it is fine... and they are both using the same diagnostic
tools to test them. I am downright suspicious of all dealership
mechanics (past bad experiences at dealerships) that he really is just
surmising that is the problem from experience, but /shrug. It's been
replaced once already. I would think master techs know how to put one
in and not damamge it (or anything else).

Truthfully, right now I really don't care about anything except
someone fixing it. I've already reached my limit on patience with the
pointing fingers and no resolution. Either I get it back working the
end of this month, or the insurance company of the guy who hit me is
going to have to replace it. Otherwise I am starting by camping out on
the insurance co's front lawn with nasty signs and going from there.

Re: 1993 GC Limited - I Miss My Jeep!!
 

Just to clarify things up a bit (I hope)...

For the check engine light problem, the PCM (main computer). Aside
from not running the pre-start process, it was preventing voltage from
going to the fuel pump.

A smashed connector in lift gate was replaced. The tailgate tamper
circuit was spiked by a short to a power circuit which required the
replacement of the theft module but the jeep would still not start
until the replacement of the PCM.

The crank position sensor (CPS) was replaced (once). I was informed it
was found bad during the process of troubleshooting and before
replacement of the PCM.

The sparks plugs have been replaced four (4) times now in total for
fouling. Bosch plugs were only used once and the jeep only drove about
12-15 miles total on them before being removed. *You can smell fuel
after several attempts (cranks) to start.

The ground(s) have been checked by four (4) different mechanics and
determined to be fine. Wires starting from battery and continuing till
end have been checked and cleaned.

The coil has been replaced when it was thought the spark voltage
"might" have been low. No change in problem.

She is still sitting in the shop with several different diagnostic
tools wired to her looking for anything leading to the problem.

If you want to know about the mechanic, check this out...
http://www.currentprobe.com/currentprobe3.html

And here is something he designed...
http://www.currentprobe.com/

So far Jeff appears to me as a very honest guy who is a very
knowledgeable master technician and mechanic. He has given me no
reason to suspect otherwias and has been both helpful and diligent in
working to resolve my jeep's problem(s).

`Casper

Re: 1993 GC Limited - I Miss My Jeep!!
 

Just to clarify things up a bit (I hope)...

For the check engine light problem, the PCM (main computer). Aside
from not running the pre-start process, it was preventing voltage from
going to the fuel pump.

A smashed connector in lift gate was replaced. The tailgate tamper
circuit was spiked by a short to a power circuit which required the
replacement of the theft module but the jeep would still not start
until the replacement of the PCM.

The crank position sensor (CPS) was replaced (once). I was informed it
was found bad during the process of troubleshooting and before
replacement of the PCM.

The sparks plugs have been replaced four (4) times now in total for
fouling. Bosch plugs were only used once and the jeep only drove about
12-15 miles total on them before being removed. *You can smell fuel
after several attempts (cranks) to start.

The ground(s) have been checked by four (4) different mechanics and
determined to be fine. Wires starting from battery and continuing till
end have been checked and cleaned.

The coil has been replaced when it was thought the spark voltage
"might" have been low. No change in problem.

She is still sitting in the shop with several different diagnostic
tools wired to her looking for anything leading to the problem.

If you want to know about the mechanic, check this out...
http://www.currentprobe.com/currentprobe3.html

And here is something he designed...
http://www.currentprobe.com/

So far Jeff appears to me as a very honest guy who is a very
knowledgeable master technician and mechanic. He has given me no
reason to suspect otherwias and has been both helpful and diligent in
working to resolve my jeep's problem(s).

`Casper

Re: 1993 GC Limited - I Miss My Jeep!!
 

Just to clarify things up a bit (I hope)...

For the check engine light problem, the PCM (main computer). Aside
from not running the pre-start process, it was preventing voltage from
going to the fuel pump.

A smashed connector in lift gate was replaced. The tailgate tamper
circuit was spiked by a short to a power circuit which required the
replacement of the theft module but the jeep would still not start
until the replacement of the PCM.

The crank position sensor (CPS) was replaced (once). I was informed it
was found bad during the process of troubleshooting and before
replacement of the PCM.

The sparks plugs have been replaced four (4) times now in total for
fouling. Bosch plugs were only used once and the jeep only drove about
12-15 miles total on them before being removed. *You can smell fuel
after several attempts (cranks) to start.

The ground(s) have been checked by four (4) different mechanics and
determined to be fine. Wires starting from battery and continuing till
end have been checked and cleaned.

The coil has been replaced when it was thought the spark voltage
"might" have been low. No change in problem.

She is still sitting in the shop with several different diagnostic
tools wired to her looking for anything leading to the problem.

If you want to know about the mechanic, check this out...
http://www.currentprobe.com/currentprobe3.html

And here is something he designed...
http://www.currentprobe.com/

So far Jeff appears to me as a very honest guy who is a very
knowledgeable master technician and mechanic. He has given me no
reason to suspect otherwias and has been both helpful and diligent in
working to resolve my jeep's problem(s).

`Casper

Re: 1993 GC Limited - I Miss My Jeep!!
 

Just to clarify things up a bit (I hope)...

For the check engine light problem, the PCM (main computer). Aside
from not running the pre-start process, it was preventing voltage from
going to the fuel pump.

A smashed connector in lift gate was replaced. The tailgate tamper
circuit was spiked by a short to a power circuit which required the
replacement of the theft module but the jeep would still not start
until the replacement of the PCM.

The crank position sensor (CPS) was replaced (once). I was informed it
was found bad during the process of troubleshooting and before
replacement of the PCM.

The sparks plugs have been replaced four (4) times now in total for
fouling. Bosch plugs were only used once and the jeep only drove about
12-15 miles total on them before being removed. *You can smell fuel
after several attempts (cranks) to start.

The ground(s) have been checked by four (4) different mechanics and
determined to be fine. Wires starting from battery and continuing till
end have been checked and cleaned.

The coil has been replaced when it was thought the spark voltage
"might" have been low. No change in problem.

She is still sitting in the shop with several different diagnostic
tools wired to her looking for anything leading to the problem.

If you want to know about the mechanic, check this out...
http://www.currentprobe.com/currentprobe3.html

And here is something he designed...
http://www.currentprobe.com/

So far Jeff appears to me as a very honest guy who is a very
knowledgeable master technician and mechanic. He has given me no
reason to suspect otherwias and has been both helpful and diligent in
working to resolve my jeep's problem(s).

`Casper

Re: 1993 GC Limited - I Miss My Jeep!!
 

I have to agree with Mike. There is nothing in the service manual
about any shim or spacer under the CPS. Neither is anything included
with a new CPS that looks like that. I have one sitting in front of
me. I'm curious about the two, different CPS units the mechanics
showed you. My '93 ZJ V-8 was one of the first produced in 1992. It
has the 2-bolt type as shown in the service manual. The Mopar No. for
this CPS is 1-56026701.

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On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:50:15 GMT, Casper <casper@ghostmail.cc> wrote:

>>The only CPS's 'I' am familiar with just bolt in. There are no
>>spacers. I haven't seen that many though.
>>
>>Mike
>
>Sorry about the wording. Spacer, shim, whatever. It's a small piece of
>paper-like material they use just to install the CPS.
>
>I didn't know there were different ones either, but the two mechanics
>currently working on it showed me the difference and the one I have. I
>really wish I had the other one.
>
>I still want to know how one mechanic can say the CPS is bad and the
>other says it is fine... and they are both using the same diagnostic
>tools to test them. I am downright suspicious of all dealership
>mechanics (past bad experiences at dealerships) that he really is just
>surmising that is the problem from experience, but /shrug. It's been
>replaced once already. I would think master techs know how to put one
>in and not damamge it (or anything else).
>
>Truthfully, right now I really don't care about anything except
>someone fixing it. I've already reached my limit on patience with the
>pointing fingers and no resolution. Either I get it back working the
>end of this month, or the insurance company of the guy who hit me is
>going to have to replace it. Otherwise I am starting by camping out on
>the insurance co's front lawn with nasty signs and going from there.

Re: 1993 GC Limited - I Miss My Jeep!!
 

I have to agree with Mike. There is nothing in the service manual
about any shim or spacer under the CPS. Neither is anything included
with a new CPS that looks like that. I have one sitting in front of
me. I'm curious about the two, different CPS units the mechanics
showed you. My '93 ZJ V-8 was one of the first produced in 1992. It
has the 2-bolt type as shown in the service manual. The Mopar No. for
this CPS is 1-56026701.

----



On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:50:15 GMT, Casper <casper@ghostmail.cc> wrote:

>>The only CPS's 'I' am familiar with just bolt in. There are no
>>spacers. I haven't seen that many though.
>>
>>Mike
>
>Sorry about the wording. Spacer, shim, whatever. It's a small piece of
>paper-like material they use just to install the CPS.
>
>I didn't know there were different ones either, but the two mechanics
>currently working on it showed me the difference and the one I have. I
>really wish I had the other one.
>
>I still want to know how one mechanic can say the CPS is bad and the
>other says it is fine... and they are both using the same diagnostic
>tools to test them. I am downright suspicious of all dealership
>mechanics (past bad experiences at dealerships) that he really is just
>surmising that is the problem from experience, but /shrug. It's been
>replaced once already. I would think master techs know how to put one
>in and not damamge it (or anything else).
>
>Truthfully, right now I really don't care about anything except
>someone fixing it. I've already reached my limit on patience with the
>pointing fingers and no resolution. Either I get it back working the
>end of this month, or the insurance company of the guy who hit me is
>going to have to replace it. Otherwise I am starting by camping out on
>the insurance co's front lawn with nasty signs and going from there.

Re: 1993 GC Limited - I Miss My Jeep!!
 

I have to agree with Mike. There is nothing in the service manual
about any shim or spacer under the CPS. Neither is anything included
with a new CPS that looks like that. I have one sitting in front of
me. I'm curious about the two, different CPS units the mechanics
showed you. My '93 ZJ V-8 was one of the first produced in 1992. It
has the 2-bolt type as shown in the service manual. The Mopar No. for
this CPS is 1-56026701.

----



On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:50:15 GMT, Casper <casper@ghostmail.cc> wrote:

>>The only CPS's 'I' am familiar with just bolt in. There are no
>>spacers. I haven't seen that many though.
>>
>>Mike
>
>Sorry about the wording. Spacer, shim, whatever. It's a small piece of
>paper-like material they use just to install the CPS.
>
>I didn't know there were different ones either, but the two mechanics
>currently working on it showed me the difference and the one I have. I
>really wish I had the other one.
>
>I still want to know how one mechanic can say the CPS is bad and the
>other says it is fine... and they are both using the same diagnostic
>tools to test them. I am downright suspicious of all dealership
>mechanics (past bad experiences at dealerships) that he really is just
>surmising that is the problem from experience, but /shrug. It's been
>replaced once already. I would think master techs know how to put one
>in and not damamge it (or anything else).
>
>Truthfully, right now I really don't care about anything except
>someone fixing it. I've already reached my limit on patience with the
>pointing fingers and no resolution. Either I get it back working the
>end of this month, or the insurance company of the guy who hit me is
>going to have to replace it. Otherwise I am starting by camping out on
>the insurance co's front lawn with nasty signs and going from there.