Lee Ayrton

On the transmission fluid change: The dealer I sometimes use for service
tells me that my `89 Cherokee has no filter, just a screen. They also
tell me that the pan gasket on that transmission is horrendously difficult
to get right so it doesn't leak. This much I believe, since they were the
third (and final) shop to replace the tranny pan gasket. Watch for leaks.

On the Shifter/Brake interlock. Yes, the interlock is an "idiot proofing"
thing, but not the way you think it is. The interlock links the keyswitch
to the auto shifter and brake pedal, but the TSB (I'm speaking of my `89
here, I'm assuming that your `88 is the same) isn't really about the
safety issue. The interlock prevents you from (1) turning the key out of
the OFF position with the shifter in any position other than Park or
Neutral, to keep you from starting it in gear. When this interlock is out
of adjustment you won't be able to turn the key far enough to remove it at
shutdown. It also prevents you from (2) moving the shifter out of Park
without first depressing the brake pedal. Again, when it is out of
adjustment it makes it difficult to shift into Park and sometimes
impossible to shift out of Park. My `89 Cherokee has exhibited all of the
symptoms, even after the service was done. If yours isn't acting up I'd
ignore it.

On the "surging" on start up: Factory air conditioning? If starting with
the air (not vent, but air) in any "on" position the engine will high idle
for several seconds.

On the seatbelt: As Bill suggested, stamp on the brakes and see if it
locks. It probably doesn't, things wear out. I'd replace it, but then
again I've spent a few nano seconds pressed firmly against my belt while
the sheet metal of the car I was driving was radically altered, in the
"open the glove box to view the air cleaner" variety. (I came
away with a scratch on the top of my foot.) YMMV.



On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, BikeQuest wrote:
[snip]
> worry about dried out seals and the like. I've changed some fluids and
> opted to have the local Jeep dealer do the transmission fluid/filter
> change. They noted (as I did looking at AllData) that it had a
> TSB/recall (#733) on the "Brake Pedal Shift Interlock." They moaned
> about it being a two hour job and only paying at warranty levels, but
> said they'd do it if I wanted it. It seems to be an idiot proofing
> measure related to the location of the pedals in the tight floor space
> of the Jeeps of that era. Doesn't seem like anything that would
> "improve" overall performance, longevity, etc. but rather give some
> measure of increased safety in the event you slam on the accelerator
> rather than the brake. Mixed reviews in the searches I've done. One guy
> noted that he had a surging engine on start up without the accelerator
> depressed. I've got that two and it usually only lasts for about 10
> seconds tops before it drops down but it does get up around 3K RPM
> before doing so (doesn't do it every time). SEE his post:
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain
>
> (1) Do folks out there affected by this recall (may be years ago for many of
> you) think it is worth doing? Any connections made between the surging I
> (and other apparently) have had? Any problems from doing the work ...
> especially on an older Jeep (the dealership seemed out of their element
> working on a 16 year old Jeep -- even if it was in mint condition)?
>
> (2) On the transmission filter/fluid change ... the dealership quoted me a
> price of approx. $90 for the job. I came in dropped it off and found after
> four hours that they actually quoted me ONLY the labor and the parts would
> amount to ANOTHER $90. Ended up being a $180 job to replace fluid (cheaper
> Dexron rather than the ATF3 stuff for this older Jeep) and the filter. Sound
> right to you (the total at least)?
>
> Finally, (3) I've noted just in the past couple of days that the driver's
> seatbelt (shoulder) doesn't appear to "catch" when you yank on it (as if in a
> crash). The passenger shoulder belt does engage the mechanism and stop
> coming out when given a good yank. Any ideas on whether this is a warranty
> item on such an old Jeep (given it is a safety thing)? Any known problems
> with the seat belts on this Jeep?
>
> Thank you for the attention. Apologies for cramming all in one message but
> figured that it was better than a slew of separate messages (which I may try
> if this one seems to overwhelm).
>
> Best,
>
> BikeQuest
>

Lee Ayrton

On the transmission fluid change: The dealer I sometimes use for service
tells me that my `89 Cherokee has no filter, just a screen. They also
tell me that the pan gasket on that transmission is horrendously difficult
to get right so it doesn't leak. This much I believe, since they were the
third (and final) shop to replace the tranny pan gasket. Watch for leaks.

On the Shifter/Brake interlock. Yes, the interlock is an "idiot proofing"
thing, but not the way you think it is. The interlock links the keyswitch
to the auto shifter and brake pedal, but the TSB (I'm speaking of my `89
here, I'm assuming that your `88 is the same) isn't really about the
safety issue. The interlock prevents you from (1) turning the key out of
the OFF position with the shifter in any position other than Park or
Neutral, to keep you from starting it in gear. When this interlock is out
of adjustment you won't be able to turn the key far enough to remove it at
shutdown. It also prevents you from (2) moving the shifter out of Park
without first depressing the brake pedal. Again, when it is out of
adjustment it makes it difficult to shift into Park and sometimes
impossible to shift out of Park. My `89 Cherokee has exhibited all of the
symptoms, even after the service was done. If yours isn't acting up I'd
ignore it.

On the "surging" on start up: Factory air conditioning? If starting with
the air (not vent, but air) in any "on" position the engine will high idle
for several seconds.

On the seatbelt: As Bill suggested, stamp on the brakes and see if it
locks. It probably doesn't, things wear out. I'd replace it, but then
again I've spent a few nano seconds pressed firmly against my belt while
the sheet metal of the car I was driving was radically altered, in the
"open the glove box to view the air cleaner" variety. (I came
away with a scratch on the top of my foot.) YMMV.



On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, BikeQuest wrote:
[snip]
> worry about dried out seals and the like. I've changed some fluids and
> opted to have the local Jeep dealer do the transmission fluid/filter
> change. They noted (as I did looking at AllData) that it had a
> TSB/recall (#733) on the "Brake Pedal Shift Interlock." They moaned
> about it being a two hour job and only paying at warranty levels, but
> said they'd do it if I wanted it. It seems to be an idiot proofing
> measure related to the location of the pedals in the tight floor space
> of the Jeeps of that era. Doesn't seem like anything that would
> "improve" overall performance, longevity, etc. but rather give some
> measure of increased safety in the event you slam on the accelerator
> rather than the brake. Mixed reviews in the searches I've done. One guy
> noted that he had a surging engine on start up without the accelerator
> depressed. I've got that two and it usually only lasts for about 10
> seconds tops before it drops down but it does get up around 3K RPM
> before doing so (doesn't do it every time). SEE his post:
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain
>
> (1) Do folks out there affected by this recall (may be years ago for many of
> you) think it is worth doing? Any connections made between the surging I
> (and other apparently) have had? Any problems from doing the work ...
> especially on an older Jeep (the dealership seemed out of their element
> working on a 16 year old Jeep -- even if it was in mint condition)?
>
> (2) On the transmission filter/fluid change ... the dealership quoted me a
> price of approx. $90 for the job. I came in dropped it off and found after
> four hours that they actually quoted me ONLY the labor and the parts would
> amount to ANOTHER $90. Ended up being a $180 job to replace fluid (cheaper
> Dexron rather than the ATF3 stuff for this older Jeep) and the filter. Sound
> right to you (the total at least)?
>
> Finally, (3) I've noted just in the past couple of days that the driver's
> seatbelt (shoulder) doesn't appear to "catch" when you yank on it (as if in a
> crash). The passenger shoulder belt does engage the mechanism and stop
> coming out when given a good yank. Any ideas on whether this is a warranty
> item on such an old Jeep (given it is a safety thing)? Any known problems
> with the seat belts on this Jeep?
>
> Thank you for the attention. Apologies for cramming all in one message but
> figured that it was better than a slew of separate messages (which I may try
> if this one seems to overwhelm).
>
> Best,
>
> BikeQuest
>

Lee Ayrton

On the transmission fluid change: The dealer I sometimes use for service
tells me that my `89 Cherokee has no filter, just a screen. They also
tell me that the pan gasket on that transmission is horrendously difficult
to get right so it doesn't leak. This much I believe, since they were the
third (and final) shop to replace the tranny pan gasket. Watch for leaks.

On the Shifter/Brake interlock. Yes, the interlock is an "idiot proofing"
thing, but not the way you think it is. The interlock links the keyswitch
to the auto shifter and brake pedal, but the TSB (I'm speaking of my `89
here, I'm assuming that your `88 is the same) isn't really about the
safety issue. The interlock prevents you from (1) turning the key out of
the OFF position with the shifter in any position other than Park or
Neutral, to keep you from starting it in gear. When this interlock is out
of adjustment you won't be able to turn the key far enough to remove it at
shutdown. It also prevents you from (2) moving the shifter out of Park
without first depressing the brake pedal. Again, when it is out of
adjustment it makes it difficult to shift into Park and sometimes
impossible to shift out of Park. My `89 Cherokee has exhibited all of the
symptoms, even after the service was done. If yours isn't acting up I'd
ignore it.

On the "surging" on start up: Factory air conditioning? If starting with
the air (not vent, but air) in any "on" position the engine will high idle
for several seconds.

On the seatbelt: As Bill suggested, stamp on the brakes and see if it
locks. It probably doesn't, things wear out. I'd replace it, but then
again I've spent a few nano seconds pressed firmly against my belt while
the sheet metal of the car I was driving was radically altered, in the
"open the glove box to view the air cleaner" variety. (I came
away with a scratch on the top of my foot.) YMMV.



On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, BikeQuest wrote:
[snip]
> worry about dried out seals and the like. I've changed some fluids and
> opted to have the local Jeep dealer do the transmission fluid/filter
> change. They noted (as I did looking at AllData) that it had a
> TSB/recall (#733) on the "Brake Pedal Shift Interlock." They moaned
> about it being a two hour job and only paying at warranty levels, but
> said they'd do it if I wanted it. It seems to be an idiot proofing
> measure related to the location of the pedals in the tight floor space
> of the Jeeps of that era. Doesn't seem like anything that would
> "improve" overall performance, longevity, etc. but rather give some
> measure of increased safety in the event you slam on the accelerator
> rather than the brake. Mixed reviews in the searches I've done. One guy
> noted that he had a surging engine on start up without the accelerator
> depressed. I've got that two and it usually only lasts for about 10
> seconds tops before it drops down but it does get up around 3K RPM
> before doing so (doesn't do it every time). SEE his post:
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain
>
> (1) Do folks out there affected by this recall (may be years ago for many of
> you) think it is worth doing? Any connections made between the surging I
> (and other apparently) have had? Any problems from doing the work ...
> especially on an older Jeep (the dealership seemed out of their element
> working on a 16 year old Jeep -- even if it was in mint condition)?
>
> (2) On the transmission filter/fluid change ... the dealership quoted me a
> price of approx. $90 for the job. I came in dropped it off and found after
> four hours that they actually quoted me ONLY the labor and the parts would
> amount to ANOTHER $90. Ended up being a $180 job to replace fluid (cheaper
> Dexron rather than the ATF3 stuff for this older Jeep) and the filter. Sound
> right to you (the total at least)?
>
> Finally, (3) I've noted just in the past couple of days that the driver's
> seatbelt (shoulder) doesn't appear to "catch" when you yank on it (as if in a
> crash). The passenger shoulder belt does engage the mechanism and stop
> coming out when given a good yank. Any ideas on whether this is a warranty
> item on such an old Jeep (given it is a safety thing)? Any known problems
> with the seat belts on this Jeep?
>
> Thank you for the attention. Apologies for cramming all in one message but
> figured that it was better than a slew of separate messages (which I may try
> if this one seems to overwhelm).
>
> Best,
>
> BikeQuest
>

Kevin in San Diego

Since this pan has a plug on it, I dont pull it very often. I use Ultrablack
RTV instead of a gasket and it doesnt leak a drop from the pan.
KH

"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.60.0409020847580.16856@panix1.pani x.com...
>
> On the transmission fluid change: The dealer I sometimes use for service
> tells me that my `89 Cherokee has no filter, just a screen. They also
> tell me that the pan gasket on that transmission is horrendously difficult
> to get right so it doesn't leak. This much I believe, since they were the
> third (and final) shop to replace the tranny pan gasket. Watch for leaks.
>
> On the Shifter/Brake interlock. Yes, the interlock is an "idiot proofing"
> thing, but not the way you think it is. The interlock links the keyswitch
> to the auto shifter and brake pedal, but the TSB (I'm speaking of my `89
> here, I'm assuming that your `88 is the same) isn't really about the
> safety issue. The interlock prevents you from (1) turning the key out of
> the OFF position with the shifter in any position other than Park or
> Neutral, to keep you from starting it in gear. When this interlock is out
> of adjustment you won't be able to turn the key far enough to remove it at
> shutdown. It also prevents you from (2) moving the shifter out of Park
> without first depressing the brake pedal. Again, when it is out of
> adjustment it makes it difficult to shift into Park and sometimes
> impossible to shift out of Park. My `89 Cherokee has exhibited all of the
> symptoms, even after the service was done. If yours isn't acting up I'd
> ignore it.
>
> On the "surging" on start up: Factory air conditioning? If starting with
> the air (not vent, but air) in any "on" position the engine will high idle
> for several seconds.
>
> On the seatbelt: As Bill suggested, stamp on the brakes and see if it
> locks. It probably doesn't, things wear out. I'd replace it, but then
> again I've spent a few nano seconds pressed firmly against my belt while
> the sheet metal of the car I was driving was radically altered, in the
> "open the glove box to view the air cleaner" variety. (I came
> away with a scratch on the top of my foot.) YMMV.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, BikeQuest wrote:
> [snip]
> > worry about dried out seals and the like. I've changed some fluids and
> > opted to have the local Jeep dealer do the transmission fluid/filter
> > change. They noted (as I did looking at AllData) that it had a
> > TSB/recall (#733) on the "Brake Pedal Shift Interlock." They moaned
> > about it being a two hour job and only paying at warranty levels, but
> > said they'd do it if I wanted it. It seems to be an idiot proofing
> > measure related to the location of the pedals in the tight floor space
> > of the Jeeps of that era. Doesn't seem like anything that would
> > "improve" overall performance, longevity, etc. but rather give some
> > measure of increased safety in the event you slam on the accelerator
> > rather than the brake. Mixed reviews in the searches I've done. One guy
> > noted that he had a surging engine on start up without the accelerator
> > depressed. I've got that two and it usually only lasts for about 10
> > seconds tops before it drops down but it does get up around 3K RPM
> > before doing so (doesn't do it every time). SEE his post:
> >
> >
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain
> >
> > (1) Do folks out there affected by this recall (may be years ago for
many of
> > you) think it is worth doing? Any connections made between the surging
I
> > (and other apparently) have had? Any problems from doing the work ...
> > especially on an older Jeep (the dealership seemed out of their element
> > working on a 16 year old Jeep -- even if it was in mint condition)?
> >
> > (2) On the transmission filter/fluid change ... the dealership quoted me
a
> > price of approx. $90 for the job. I came in dropped it off and found
after
> > four hours that they actually quoted me ONLY the labor and the parts
would
> > amount to ANOTHER $90. Ended up being a $180 job to replace fluid
(cheaper
> > Dexron rather than the ATF3 stuff for this older Jeep) and the filter.
Sound
> > right to you (the total at least)?
> >
> > Finally, (3) I've noted just in the past couple of days that the
driver's
> > seatbelt (shoulder) doesn't appear to "catch" when you yank on it (as if
in a
> > crash). The passenger shoulder belt does engage the mechanism and stop
> > coming out when given a good yank. Any ideas on whether this is a
warranty
> > item on such an old Jeep (given it is a safety thing)? Any known
problems
> > with the seat belts on this Jeep?
> >
> > Thank you for the attention. Apologies for cramming all in one message
but
> > figured that it was better than a slew of separate messages (which I may
try
> > if this one seems to overwhelm).
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > BikeQuest
> >
>

Kevin in San Diego

Since this pan has a plug on it, I dont pull it very often. I use Ultrablack
RTV instead of a gasket and it doesnt leak a drop from the pan.
KH

"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.60.0409020847580.16856@panix1.pani x.com...
>
> On the transmission fluid change: The dealer I sometimes use for service
> tells me that my `89 Cherokee has no filter, just a screen. They also
> tell me that the pan gasket on that transmission is horrendously difficult
> to get right so it doesn't leak. This much I believe, since they were the
> third (and final) shop to replace the tranny pan gasket. Watch for leaks.
>
> On the Shifter/Brake interlock. Yes, the interlock is an "idiot proofing"
> thing, but not the way you think it is. The interlock links the keyswitch
> to the auto shifter and brake pedal, but the TSB (I'm speaking of my `89
> here, I'm assuming that your `88 is the same) isn't really about the
> safety issue. The interlock prevents you from (1) turning the key out of
> the OFF position with the shifter in any position other than Park or
> Neutral, to keep you from starting it in gear. When this interlock is out
> of adjustment you won't be able to turn the key far enough to remove it at
> shutdown. It also prevents you from (2) moving the shifter out of Park
> without first depressing the brake pedal. Again, when it is out of
> adjustment it makes it difficult to shift into Park and sometimes
> impossible to shift out of Park. My `89 Cherokee has exhibited all of the
> symptoms, even after the service was done. If yours isn't acting up I'd
> ignore it.
>
> On the "surging" on start up: Factory air conditioning? If starting with
> the air (not vent, but air) in any "on" position the engine will high idle
> for several seconds.
>
> On the seatbelt: As Bill suggested, stamp on the brakes and see if it
> locks. It probably doesn't, things wear out. I'd replace it, but then
> again I've spent a few nano seconds pressed firmly against my belt while
> the sheet metal of the car I was driving was radically altered, in the
> "open the glove box to view the air cleaner" variety. (I came
> away with a scratch on the top of my foot.) YMMV.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, BikeQuest wrote:
> [snip]
> > worry about dried out seals and the like. I've changed some fluids and
> > opted to have the local Jeep dealer do the transmission fluid/filter
> > change. They noted (as I did looking at AllData) that it had a
> > TSB/recall (#733) on the "Brake Pedal Shift Interlock." They moaned
> > about it being a two hour job and only paying at warranty levels, but
> > said they'd do it if I wanted it. It seems to be an idiot proofing
> > measure related to the location of the pedals in the tight floor space
> > of the Jeeps of that era. Doesn't seem like anything that would
> > "improve" overall performance, longevity, etc. but rather give some
> > measure of increased safety in the event you slam on the accelerator
> > rather than the brake. Mixed reviews in the searches I've done. One guy
> > noted that he had a surging engine on start up without the accelerator
> > depressed. I've got that two and it usually only lasts for about 10
> > seconds tops before it drops down but it does get up around 3K RPM
> > before doing so (doesn't do it every time). SEE his post:
> >
> >
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain
> >
> > (1) Do folks out there affected by this recall (may be years ago for
many of
> > you) think it is worth doing? Any connections made between the surging
I
> > (and other apparently) have had? Any problems from doing the work ...
> > especially on an older Jeep (the dealership seemed out of their element
> > working on a 16 year old Jeep -- even if it was in mint condition)?
> >
> > (2) On the transmission filter/fluid change ... the dealership quoted me
a
> > price of approx. $90 for the job. I came in dropped it off and found
after
> > four hours that they actually quoted me ONLY the labor and the parts
would
> > amount to ANOTHER $90. Ended up being a $180 job to replace fluid
(cheaper
> > Dexron rather than the ATF3 stuff for this older Jeep) and the filter.
Sound
> > right to you (the total at least)?
> >
> > Finally, (3) I've noted just in the past couple of days that the
driver's
> > seatbelt (shoulder) doesn't appear to "catch" when you yank on it (as if
in a
> > crash). The passenger shoulder belt does engage the mechanism and stop
> > coming out when given a good yank. Any ideas on whether this is a
warranty
> > item on such an old Jeep (given it is a safety thing)? Any known
problems
> > with the seat belts on this Jeep?
> >
> > Thank you for the attention. Apologies for cramming all in one message
but
> > figured that it was better than a slew of separate messages (which I may
try
> > if this one seems to overwhelm).
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > BikeQuest
> >
>

Kevin in San Diego

Since this pan has a plug on it, I dont pull it very often. I use Ultrablack
RTV instead of a gasket and it doesnt leak a drop from the pan.
KH

"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.60.0409020847580.16856@panix1.pani x.com...
>
> On the transmission fluid change: The dealer I sometimes use for service
> tells me that my `89 Cherokee has no filter, just a screen. They also
> tell me that the pan gasket on that transmission is horrendously difficult
> to get right so it doesn't leak. This much I believe, since they were the
> third (and final) shop to replace the tranny pan gasket. Watch for leaks.
>
> On the Shifter/Brake interlock. Yes, the interlock is an "idiot proofing"
> thing, but not the way you think it is. The interlock links the keyswitch
> to the auto shifter and brake pedal, but the TSB (I'm speaking of my `89
> here, I'm assuming that your `88 is the same) isn't really about the
> safety issue. The interlock prevents you from (1) turning the key out of
> the OFF position with the shifter in any position other than Park or
> Neutral, to keep you from starting it in gear. When this interlock is out
> of adjustment you won't be able to turn the key far enough to remove it at
> shutdown. It also prevents you from (2) moving the shifter out of Park
> without first depressing the brake pedal. Again, when it is out of
> adjustment it makes it difficult to shift into Park and sometimes
> impossible to shift out of Park. My `89 Cherokee has exhibited all of the
> symptoms, even after the service was done. If yours isn't acting up I'd
> ignore it.
>
> On the "surging" on start up: Factory air conditioning? If starting with
> the air (not vent, but air) in any "on" position the engine will high idle
> for several seconds.
>
> On the seatbelt: As Bill suggested, stamp on the brakes and see if it
> locks. It probably doesn't, things wear out. I'd replace it, but then
> again I've spent a few nano seconds pressed firmly against my belt while
> the sheet metal of the car I was driving was radically altered, in the
> "open the glove box to view the air cleaner" variety. (I came
> away with a scratch on the top of my foot.) YMMV.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, BikeQuest wrote:
> [snip]
> > worry about dried out seals and the like. I've changed some fluids and
> > opted to have the local Jeep dealer do the transmission fluid/filter
> > change. They noted (as I did looking at AllData) that it had a
> > TSB/recall (#733) on the "Brake Pedal Shift Interlock." They moaned
> > about it being a two hour job and only paying at warranty levels, but
> > said they'd do it if I wanted it. It seems to be an idiot proofing
> > measure related to the location of the pedals in the tight floor space
> > of the Jeeps of that era. Doesn't seem like anything that would
> > "improve" overall performance, longevity, etc. but rather give some
> > measure of increased safety in the event you slam on the accelerator
> > rather than the brake. Mixed reviews in the searches I've done. One guy
> > noted that he had a surging engine on start up without the accelerator
> > depressed. I've got that two and it usually only lasts for about 10
> > seconds tops before it drops down but it does get up around 3K RPM
> > before doing so (doesn't do it every time). SEE his post:
> >
> >
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain
> >
> > (1) Do folks out there affected by this recall (may be years ago for
many of
> > you) think it is worth doing? Any connections made between the surging
I
> > (and other apparently) have had? Any problems from doing the work ...
> > especially on an older Jeep (the dealership seemed out of their element
> > working on a 16 year old Jeep -- even if it was in mint condition)?
> >
> > (2) On the transmission filter/fluid change ... the dealership quoted me
a
> > price of approx. $90 for the job. I came in dropped it off and found
after
> > four hours that they actually quoted me ONLY the labor and the parts
would
> > amount to ANOTHER $90. Ended up being a $180 job to replace fluid
(cheaper
> > Dexron rather than the ATF3 stuff for this older Jeep) and the filter.
Sound
> > right to you (the total at least)?
> >
> > Finally, (3) I've noted just in the past couple of days that the
driver's
> > seatbelt (shoulder) doesn't appear to "catch" when you yank on it (as if
in a
> > crash). The passenger shoulder belt does engage the mechanism and stop
> > coming out when given a good yank. Any ideas on whether this is a
warranty
> > item on such an old Jeep (given it is a safety thing)? Any known
problems
> > with the seat belts on this Jeep?
> >
> > Thank you for the attention. Apologies for cramming all in one message
but
> > figured that it was better than a slew of separate messages (which I may
try
> > if this one seems to overwhelm).
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > BikeQuest
> >
>